Financial Times: Trump's approval rating falls to 33%

0:00Now you can watch Ali Vellci five nights a week in prime time on MS now as he takes command of the 11th hour. The breaking news in the last hour. The 11th hour with Ali Vellci weeknights at 11 PM Easter not MS now. All right, it's the top of the second hour of morning Joe. Welcome back. It's Wednesday, September 9th. Jonathan Lamay or Silvethis and joining the conversation we have MS now contributor Mike Barnacle. The host of on brand with Donny Duic, Donny Duic and politics bureau chief and senior political columnist at Politico, Jonathan Martin. He is Jonathan Jonathan. Where is he? He is at the Lane Kiffen Bureau. We're going to get him in a second online. But before we do that, I get to say John Lamayer has had a very tough warning this morning. Is he okay? Well, you know, for him. For him. For him the two biggest days of the year in the opening pitch in Fenway. Okay. Yeah. And when he picks his fantasy football team.

1:01And so he picked his fantasy football team through Yahoo. Yahoo, a very good fantasy sports. But Jonathan, they have some little bastard AI. What? Now who rates your team? So I, what did this little bastard AI fight? Say about your, your fantasy had my draft last night. It's run 20 plus years since college came out of the draft from feeling pretty good. Yeah. Yahoo. Gave me an S. Yeah, I think Willie has good news though. I was flying high. Yeah. Go good Josh Allen. I got Safe Line. That's right. That has to be like a minus B. Five and my son. Yeah. We're pretty great. You come out. You literally have no idea what they're talking about. A.I. email from Yahoo. D plus draft grade. D plus. Yeah. I thought I had a great draft. I'd open it with, have you ever watched football before? Yeah. Wow. Okay. I think we think they're just trying to motivate us. Yeah. It's more mature. We got a lot to get here. It's more New York event, New York sports event than the US Open. I mean, not really. For people at the heart, New Yorkers, they see a lot of things going on.

2:03They see the Yankees playing. They see. For us too. You know, the giants when they're winning Super Bulls, but is there a sports event in New York more that more sort of brings the city and then the US Open? Other than the next. I'm going to say that. Other than the next. Other than the next. I'll be 50 years. I think there is. It's something the energy that we went last year. I remember that. We had a great time. It's just, New York just comes together. And this year, for some reason, it just seemed to have gone to another level. I mean, with the two American men and the finals, but there is a New York state of mind to the whole thing. The celebrities there, the food, everything. It is New York at its best. It really, and it's like the beginning of the year, it's just like, there's something about when the US Open kicks off that. We're into election season. We're into everything. It's just back to school. We're into the fall. We got a 64 box of crayons. You got a new year. Yeah, you're talking about your dates there. Let's see. Let's see. You keep that. Wait. We're there. Wow.

3:04Like I wouldn't even do that. 35 years old. It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. Mike, if you were still writing, calm, Stanley, I have no doubt that this morning you would be telling this story of a young boy whose parents fled civil war in Sierra Leone. He lives in an abandoned office on a construction site where his dad builds a tennis center in Maryland. And then he learns growing up on the tennis courts of where his dad watched the grounds and ends up being Tiafah, the toast of New York City guy heading to the semi-finals. It's just, this is a story. This is a story. This is a story. No, I don't like mixing sports and politics, but you cannot help when you see this. It just can't. And see, this is the American success story that we Americans love.

4:05The makes us cry. That we Americans have always loved, that for some reason some people in the White House hate. The story of immigrants coming from places they call shit hole countries and becoming great Americans that are great examples for our own children. What's the origin of the story? The origin of the story is a country in distant Africa. What's the full nation, the culmination of the story? The culmination story is in the United States of America by a young man. Look at him. Look at him. He represents America. That's what America is all about. The tragedy of the Trump administration, both administrations, is they have spent now a decade together. We'll use out of office for the decade, running this country down. They pose as great patriots. They pose as we're going to make America strong again. We're going to bring back America. Nobody has to bring back America. The United States of America is the greatest goddamn country in the earth. On the earth, people don't travel.

5:07They don't realize it, but it is. It's the greatest country in the world. No doubt about it. You saw it. It was wonderful this summer during the World Cup. People coming from all over the world going, wait, you get this? There's so much here. I remember Boris Yeltsin, the story of Boris Yeltsin going to a grocery store and becoming depressed in America and saying if people in Russia saw this, there would be a revolt because you, Americans, again, I'm not talking about material goods only. I'm saying we are most people that come here and they still want to come here, say we're the greatest country in the face here. Then one of the things that makes us great, I'll say it again. I'll go back to Ronald Reagan's final speech. You can move to France, but you'll never be a Frenchman.

6:08You can move to Turkey. You'll never be Turkish. You moved to America that day, put up your right hand, pledged the oath of constitution. You are an American and this Ronald Reagan said, that's the secret. That's what separates us from every other country in the world. He said, and when we close those doors to immigrants, the next wave of immigrants, we will become older. We will become weaker. We will become less vital and less strong. That's what makes us strong. And you know who else says that? The America is the best damn country in the world. Teapo himself. Every time he's asked, this country has given me everything. And when he plays his family from Sierra Leone, and you look it up on ESPN.com, there's a little American flag next to his name and you watch it advance along with him and it brings us pride and it brings him pride that he got the opportunity that his parents got to leave Sierra Leone. The conflict there come to America, find safety and build a life through hard work that

7:09is now delivered their son to center court at the USO. It's amazing. It's amazing. Where do you go to be free? You come to America. You come to America. Right. All right, let's get to our other top stories. We'll go to politics now. President Trump's approval ratings has fallen to its lowest level yet in a new poll by the financial times. With less than two months to go until the midterms, the poll, conducted by focal data, found that just 33% of registered voters approve of Trump's performance as president. That is the lowest number recorded since the financial times first started asking the question in May. And a three point drop from the previous month. The poll indicates that voters' worsening view of the economy and cost of living is to blame for Trump's falling numbers. And if you want to understand why a new survey revealed that Americans remain deeply pessimistic about the state of America's economy with rising costs, living so many Americans behind

8:12and a new Gallup survey. 45% of Americans rate the economy as poor. 45%. I can't afford anything. Well, only 19% rate it positively. Here's a look at the latest economic confidence index from Gallup showing the number of people who rate the economy is good or excellent. You can see the trend line dropping during President Trump's current term. When it comes to political affiliation, consumer sentiment is down among Democrats, Independents and Republicans. That's of course the University of Michigan survey. The top bar graph shows the average consumer sentiment by party affiliation during Donald Trump's first term, the bottom during this last term and last month. One key contributor as the why Americans are so down on economy, mortgage rates. The Wall Street Journal points out the average rate on 30 year fixed mortgage reached 6.71% last week compared to 3.51% in late January of 2020 and the highest level in over a year.

9:12And look at this chart. The gray line represents a median household income since 2005. The blue line shows qualifying income needed to buy a median priced home. Look at the gap. You want to know why younger Americans can't buy a home. You want to know why so many people are working harder and feel like they're being left further and further behind. That's one reason. Then go to credit cards. Credit card interest rates all so much higher. This chart showing the average rate on commercial bank credit card plans. As you can see, those rates massively increasing in just the past few years. Same art. We can let's just take Donald Trump and this Republican party out of it. Let's just say generic party A and generic party B. If you're just looking at generic party A and they have a president with a 32% approval

10:12rating with only 72% of their own party supporting that president, 26% of independence and 4% of Democrats supporting that party. Tell me, where does that midterm election go? I reminded of the great philosopher who said that it would be a thumping. Of course, the last George W. Ablution 2006. Yeah, no, if you just look at those numbers separately, obviously this is going to be a brutal election for the party in power. And by the way, props to Alex Corson and the crew for those incredible charts that really puts it in stark relief. The danger for a public in just twofold. One is Joe, part of their problem. Well, Joe Sal, to me from that FT poll is it's not how bad Trump is with them. It's not even how bad he is with the Indies, although it's pretty bad. He's down the low 70s now with his own party. This is someone who's had a hammer lock on his own party for a decade. He's only at 72 now. That's the problem is that you've got some folks who won't come out.

11:14And then you've got other Republicans called them pre-Maga Republicans, BT before Trump folks. And they make show up and vote for a Democratic candidate on the ballot. That's part of the problem in Ohio is that Sheridan Brown, for example, is getting non-Maga Republicans if you look deep into the data. So terrible with Indies and softer if that he's ever been with his own parties, a recipe for a white ballot of an election. And if it doesn't change soon, that's the other challenges. So pretty soon, these gas prices are pretty much irreversible. They're not going to go back down. And with early voting now in this country becoming such a permanent part of our political landscape, this thing's a couple of weeks away from being locked in. Yeah, I mean, Donnie, this is just this morning we were talking oil is $100 a barrel again. The gas prices are doing the opposite of going down. They're actually rising now as we tack oil tankers. By and large, Democratic candidates have done a pretty good job of staying on this message of the economic message when Talleriko was asked about some of the nicknames thrown

12:18out of and all the other stuff about impacts. And he said, none of that brings prices down. None of that, even El Sayed who we can quibble with some of his views on certain issues, he always goes back to the economic message. Yeah, it's the cost stupid. If you go back to Carval, think it's simple. And they've stayed away from the culture wars. That's the interesting thing. Somebody sent out the memo to the Democratic Party, just focus on kitchen table issues. And we're not even talking about healthcare. We're not even talking about the Iranian war. We're 55 days out and you go, what could possibly happen that would change this trajectory? And the answer is nothing. And Joe, you said this often that after Labor Day, it's kind of baked in. I mean, it's the start of the election, but it's the start of kind of like the reality of the election. And we're going to have a blue wave. And I think they take the House out of the Senate. Yeah. And Republicans don't have a story to tell. I was talking to some strategists in the last week or so who have asked them, like, what can you base this campaign on, these midterms? And they don't, you know, you're not going to do it on tariffs. You're not going to do it on the war. The president has not fulfilled his signature promises. So Mike, that leaves them with the dilemma that, you know, we're kicking off tonight in Dallas. This unprecedented midterms convention, which is going to be all about Donald Trump.

13:22You know, we'll see how many people actually watch it considering its office at the football. But like other than simply a culture personality like revival, what are going to, can they make to the American people? They seem to be, they're grasping at straws. And to Donnie's point, Democrats feel like they got the winner of their back. Multi-personality revival. Are you talking about the president of the United States? Parts personality? Because that's not going to do the trick. That is not going to do the trick. I mean, everything that Donnie was just saying is absolutely true. This campaign comes down to uniquely friendly atmosphere for Democrats. It's basically based on how people live today in America. People live from day to day in America. People are upset. I mean, I was thinking about the home heating oil costs as we were talking about costs. Those are going to be through the roof in the northeast and living in cold weather states. It's going to be incredible to be able to heat your house, this winter. Gas and groceries. That's what it always comes down to. And gas and groceries are bothering a lot of people a lot of the time all day long in

14:24this country. And we, we talk about all these different issues. We get, let's just talk about the top issues. Top issues are going to be gas prices, diesel prices, home heating oil prices, grocery prices. That's care. Rent prices. And I think the hidden issue, healthcare prices, they continue to skyrocket. People continue to get ripped off by insurance companies. Republicans have gutted Medicaid. And that's not just for blue state recipients. gutted it for red state recipients. More people in red states and rural America depend on Medicaid. Yeah. Those Medicaid cuts will hit them harder than they'll actually hit blue state. Most every aspect of American life in terms of basic necessities is either too expensive or inaccessible at this moment. Jay Mort. For the new episode of your on the road YouTube series and podcasts, you sat down with Republican governor Spencer Cox of Utah and you asked him about his new book Off-Ramp,

15:28How to Be a Peace Maker in an Age of Contempt. And here's what he had to say. Too many Americans have lost a close friend or a member of their family to politics where they don't talk anymore. They've disowned each other. And that is not healthy. It's bad for our souls. It sounds like a fatal disease. It is a fatal disease. He lost a friend to politics. It's not cancer, heart disease, man. But it might as well be. I mean, it feels that way when it's happened to you. And my hope is, and again, the research shows that you can break that. That cycle, you really can. But it has to be a conscious choice. You have to work at it. Okay. Tell us more about your interview and the connection also with the lead up to the midterm elections and how people are feeling. I mean, there is divisiveness in politics. There are also some realities that are really making life hard for people. Yeah. It's a fascinating book.

16:29He's been thinking about this for years, governor Cox and sort of what politics has done to families. You heard him talk about it there. And it's sort of really dire ways. But all of us talking today, no folks and families that have had challenges. You know, don't get along with a sibling or a parent or a cousin because politics has intruded. It's like sand at the beach and gets an everything now. And whether it's a Facebook comment thread or a family text chain, it can be pretty divisive. And so I think he's trying to find a way forward for that. He's in kind of a tough spot, though, right? And a deep red state, Trump's numbers are still okay there. He's got to work with the administration to get stuff done. And plus he wants a political future for being totally honest. So he's a little gentle when it comes to Trump. But make me make a very good point that, you know, the fact is most Americans right now are focused on the day-to-day quality of their lives. And don't have the sort of time to think about this larger issue of what politics is doing to us because what politics is doing to them is causing their groceries to be in the

17:32space to be higher and their gas to be more expensive. But Cox, guys, is somebody to watch. He's a fascinating person. I think whether it's a Democrat or a Republican who wins in 28, he's going to find a place in the future of administration because he gets along with all those Democratic governors. So you can see him being an obvious Republican appointee in a future Democratic White House. The new episode of On the Road is online now. Jonathan Martin, thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. Thank you, Jonathan. Still ahead on Morning Joe, Dr. filed hundreds of lawsuits against patients with outstanding medical bills. A lot of work in jail. He is a Republican Senator in Capitol Hill. We'll dig into that new reporting. That's not good. On Roger Marshall. And we'll get reaction from his Democratic challenger, U.S. Senate nominee Reverend Adam Hamilton straight ahead. Also, we are so excited to announce the MSNOW membership. It's our new experience that lets you connect with MSNOW host and reporters.

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21:46a half before the 7th, the president of the UAE called Netanyahu and spoke with him for 45 minutes morning that Hamas's leader in Gaza was planning a major operation against Israel. The Emirati ruler reportedly expressed concern that the event in question would not only lead to bloodshed but also destabilize the entire region and undermine the Abraham Accords. Harretz goes on to report that Netanyahu reacted with relative calm saying that in his assessment, Hamas intended to operate in the West Bank area and that Israel was prepared for any scenario. The outlet sites three foreign senior sources familiar with the contents of the conversation along with extensive research based on dozens of sources in Israel and worldwide. Netanyahu's office called the investigation an absolute lie saying the Prime Minister didn't speak to the

22:52president of the UAE during the period in question and received no warning from him. By the way, government officials around Netanyahu said they are lying. He did in fact get that call. He did in fact get that warning. We have been asking for an official government inquiry into October 7th since October the 8th. It's now a central issue in the upcoming election. But for Benjamin Netanyahu to go on and on and on about Hamas being the terrorist threat that they are, while he funded, he was responsible for the funding of Hamas for years, billions of dollars, three weeks before Qatar asked, should we continue funding Hamas? And the answer they get back from Netanyahu's government, the head of the side, yes, yes, keep funding them. At the same time,

23:54he's getting a warning and explicit warning, Israel is about to be attacked from Hamas. Now he's lying through his teeth and the campaign saying, oh, if they only woke me up, they did wake him up. He knew. He froze. He did nothing all day. While Jews were getting raped and killed, beaten alive, while children were being tortured, while parents were being shot in front of children and children were being shot. In front of their parents, he did nothing. He did nothing. But make sure that Hamas get billions and billions of dollars. And now we find out. They were prepared really because the response time was quite 13 hours and some, some, Donnie, why, why, I know you obviously cared deeply about this issue. You cared deeply about Israel. Have you been able to figure out and all of your reading and all of your

24:56talking about this? You've been being able to figure out why Netanyahu funded Hamas, an organization that said our goal is to exterminate Jews. Why, why, why he funded Hamas who said they were going to wipe Israel out, why, you know, even three weeks before the attack was still doing it. Right, you know, that would mean that he said keep funding Hamas through Qatar after he'd gotten the warning from the UAE that hey, a major attack is coming. I can't explain BB, but I just don't want us to forget as we close the three years, October 7th, that Hamas to your point slaughtered, raped, mutilated, 1200, right? So back to my question, Donnie. Why? It's not like Netanyahu didn't know he was going to do that because Hamas said we're going to exterminate Jews. And yet, I can't find the strategy of who I can say that let's not forget that Hamas, who is for God

25:58and it? Listen, who do I look like? Do I look stupid to you? Look at me, look at me in my eyes, don't look at me, rise, look at me, rise, that I'm going to be distracted by you saying, do you think I'm going to be distracted? By the way, I'm not here to defend you now. I said I'm here, it's very easy to lose trust or terrorists. Okay, let's not lose that trust. Okay, I'm not here to defend you now. Okay, hold on. We'll take judicial notice of what I've said a billion times. Hamas are terrorists. Now, can we talk about Netanyahu or do you just not want to talk about that? I want to say, I'm not here to defend BB Netanyahu. I don't know what went down and we don't know. Does that hit not concern you? But I do know what it happened in America. It would concern me. But we ask questions about 9-11. Have other, are you logic? Will not ask questions about Netanyahu? I'm willing to answer questions. I'm willing to ask the questions. Is the strategy of giving them money a smart thing to keep them quiet,

27:00whatever is logical is no. What I'm just saying is that we, in the discussions about BB, I don't want it to get lost on where the evil starts here. Okay, I'm not defending BB Netanyahu. I don't know. We don't know what went down there. And hopefully history will teach. Okay, but again, Tony, you're making a fact up that doesn't exist. Nobody here has forgotten that Hamas is anything. I have been saying for years that Hamas is a terrorist organization. I have been saying for years. There is no peace. There is no two-state solution with Hamas. I have been talking about it since I was 31 years old in Congress as somebody there, money from A-PAC as somebody who has fought and you know better than anybody who's spoken out against anti-Semitism. Amen. My entire life, defending students like Barry Weiss on Scarborough country in 2003, which he was at Columbia. I've been at this radio for very long time.

28:04So can we now please talk about Benjamin Netanyahu? I don't have any answers to Benjamin Netanyahu. I just what I feel what I'm reacting to so emotionally is that I don't want whatever baby you do or doesn't do to lose the fact of where the evil sits in this argument. Right. So let me ask Jonathan O'Mear. Okay, so we all know, and Danny for some reason is pretending that we don't know. We all know that Hamas is evil. We all know that Hamas is founding documents said that they would find Jews behind trees and bushes and kill them. We all know their goal is to eradicate Jews, to wipe them off the face of the earth. We all know Hamas wants to clear Jews out from the river to the sea. We understand that. They are terrorists. So we put that right here and then the follow-up question is, if I know that to be the case and you know that to be the case. And Benjamin Netanyahu knows that to be the case.

29:08Why does he give these group of terrorists who stated go is to wipe Jews off the face of the earth? Why does he give them billions and billions and billions of dollars? Why does he continue to give them billions of dollars? Three weeks before the attacks, which now we know, he's approval for Cutter continuing to funnel billions of dollars to Hamas came after he was warned by MBC in the UAE. Hey, an earthquake is coming. And people is an administration. An earthquake is coming. Hamas is going to slaughter you, your people. Be ready. Be prepared. We don't want this to destabilize the region, which of course it has. And because of all this has happened, Netanyahu has slow-rolled, if not stock, the internal investigations as to what happened because he knows it is so damning to him. And he will now face in the weeks ahead finally an election that could potentially

30:13hold him accountable. We know his poll numbers after October 7th and his rule were very poor. He has prolonged the conflict there in Gaza, a conflict that has been criticized by many, and an effort to keep on to power. So he is going to have to face these questions. We are still learning about what happened. But certainly his leadership there has come under intense scrutiny. And there is a sense that this here is something that he's going to have to handle the judgment of history, but also the judgment of his own people. So Donnie, for people that are watching at home, you and I are very close friends. Are we good? And we talk about this offline. We're very close friends. We talk offline. These are two close friends talking, of course, you all are watching us talk and then we'll give them a little bit of a gather and whatever. So we're close friends. So I ask you this as a close friend. And I'm not being... I know. I hear you, brother. Why can't you just talk about about what happened on October 7th? And because we talked about George Bush.

31:20George Bush had warnings that El Qaeda was going to use airplanes. And George Bush got raked over the colds. We did it. We criticized American foreign policy after 9-11 saying, you know, why did he go into a law? I'll tell you. I'm going to give you the wrong on-stands of horrible mistakes that ended up causing the death of Israelis. Here's why. Here's the honest answer. Because I feel sometimes when we focus on BB, we get lost. And it's just we forget. Who is we? Because it's not me. Okay. I think we forget that the the violence is we. I think the world. I think the world will be focused on BB is gotta go. But when we focus on BB as the bad guy here, I think we're forgetting the biggest picture of who the real bad guys here. There are evil terrorists. And the simple discussion is if Israel put down their guns right now, they'd be slaughtered. If the other side put down their guns, we would build them up. Do you think BB has been good for Israel right now? No. Right now. No. Well, they're

32:25that. That's what I think. I think BB's got to... Where are we in discussions? I think BB's got to go right now. He is not good if he's what we need a new coach. I don't think things are going dramatically change. You can go. This report from Herets, it's the question that's being asked since October the 8th on that horrific day, which is why the vaunted Israeli military and vaunted for good reason. The vaunted Israeli intelligence facade vaunted for good reason. How this happened and how why the response time. And they're all so long. Those are fair question. Not to be asked. You know, I want to know. I want to know how it could be that the facade that was able to push a button and make pages blow up in the pants pockets in a years-long intel operation and make it blow up in the pants of Hezbollah members. And how they could kill homosleaders who were sleeping in safe houses in Israel by blowing up

33:35their beds. I want to know why they were asleep for 12, 13 hours while Israelis were being raped, tortured, killed. I don't understand, Willie. And we've been asking this now since 2003, why there hasn't been an investigation. I don't understand. And that's what this report gets at. That was one of the worst days in world history. I think we can I'll safely argue. And why again, this is the facade we've heard and they can can see when a member of homoslecrosse border moves from the bedroom to the bathroom. They have that much intelligence on what's going on to how and why did this happen. The question has to be asked again and again, it's got to be answered. The question has to be asked. And I just, as we get farther away, I just don't want people to. Israel is on the defensive. And what they're doing to West Bank is horrible. But there is a there's a moral clarity to me about where this

34:35thing started. And BB's got to answer questions. Let's just not forget what the brutality that happened there. I'm not saying you're forgetting. I'm not saying anybody's forgetting. But history has a way of moving away. And we're seeing this now with even September 11th that as people question what did America do to deserve this? It's a little bit of the same math. I'd stay with the stony. Okay, we're going to move on now. Republican Senator Roger Marshall of Kansas is facing backlash this morning after a New York Times report revealed he filed hundreds of debt collection lawsuits against former patients during his time as an OBGYN. Dozens were later arrested for missing court dates. According to the Times, Marshall's office routinely charged patients and 18% annual interest rate raising debts even higher of the Times notes. Some facing lawsuits were new mothers without standing bills from their deliveries.

35:36Most lived in Barton County, a rural area with above-average, uninsured, and poverty rates. One patient who was arrested three times in connection to bills from Senator Marshall said she was handcuffed at eight months pregnant in front of her two-year-old. She said, quote, I asked them quietly, can you not handcuff me in front of my daughter? I explained to my daughter I was going for a ride. A spokesperson for Senator Marshall responded to the report writing, 60 days before an election, the New York Times has decided that a rural doctor keeping the hospital's lights on is some kind of scandal. Kansas, no better. Well, you get to what rest? 18%. Four moms, single moms. Wait, you make it impossible for them to pay when you do that. So then you can get them arrested. 18% interest rates. That seems extreme. Creditory. Marshall's Democratic challenger.

36:38At a most vulnerable time in a woman's life. U.S. Senate nominee Reverend Adam Hamilton's criticizing the Senate of First Practice is writing a social media. Medical bills should not ruin lives. We must do better than this. And Adam Hamilton joins us now, Reverend. I didn't know there were still debtors prison in America, but apparently there is in Kansas when Roger Marshall should doctor. Yeah, good morning, guys. Thank you for having me on the program. I mean, this is a huge issue. It's a huge issue for Roger Marshall. It doesn't reflect our values and needs. It's not who we are. When you find vulnerable people, you know, you're treating them. They can't pay. You don't mock them up. You don't, you know, you don't continue to harass them. You don't talk to them. 18% interest rates. It's just not okay. And you guys know this is a much bigger issue across America. There are 300,000 people who filed bankruptcy last year. More than 300,000. You filed bankruptcy last year. Last year, citing medical debt as a part of the reason for their bankruptcy. People are struggling. And the real issue here to me is not just what Roger Marshall chose to do, which reflects something about who he is and his character, I think.

37:41But it's also the fact that this last year when he could have made sure that people who were vulnerable had health insurance, he voted not to include the subsidies into the one, what they call the one big beautiful bill. And strip 31,000 to 36,000 canzans of their health insurance. People couldn't afford to pay anymore without the subsidies. And another 15,000 canzans who lost Medicaid because of the bill, which took, you know, a trillion dollars out of Medicaid over a 10-year period of time. So it's, you know, seemingly a hard-hard towards people that were his own patients. And then a hard-hard when it comes to the people in his own state who were struggling to pay for health insurance. We're having good morning. I want to ask you about tariffs and how they're impacting your state. We've talked broadly how they've raised prices. But there's something specific just in the last few days when President Trump said, we're going to stop buying bumper to your planes. As a generally private planes, I didn't realize until reading deeper into the story that the US headquarters for that company are in Wichita, Kansas. Can you talk about how that particular and then even more broadly tariffs are impacting your state?

38:44The tariffs are having a huge negative impact on our state and really every state I would argue. But yes, Bombay headquarters is in Washington, Washington, in Wichita, our US headquarters in Wichita. There's 1,200 to 1,400 high-paying jobs there. We're really proud to have them in Wichita. And then once more when the President makes a threat, we find that it could be 1,500 jobs, 1,400 jobs that are lost in Wichita. And then every one of those jobs has other people who are employed because of those folks who are working there. It's a great employer in Wichita. We love having them there. We're very proud that they're in Wichita. And this is not okay. And again, we're used to the President saying things. You just go, really did he just say that? Is this this how you win friends and influence people? And when it comes to Canada, our second largest trading partner, Kansas ships $4 billion were the goods to Canada. But we insult them. But we're kind of used to the President doing that. We shouldn't be, but we're used to it. What you expect is that you're Senator. And in this case, Roger Marshall took him a day before he responded. But

39:45but to be able to say, Mr. President, this is not okay. This is going to hurt people in my home state. More broadly tariffs. They're costing the average American $100-per-k dollar a month. When you look in Kansas, there are many farmers and ag people who, you know, who are used to voting for Republicans who are saying, wait a minute, we're losing trade deals with a tweet and a tariff. The trade deal we negotiated years to get is gone. They saw that in the first Trump administration, they're seeing it again today. It's disastrous there. I was at a manufacturing plant in Selenic, Kansas. And they described this, you know, this Kubota tractor that they were making, this skid steer or track steer. They just got it from Japan. I mean, you know, it's bringing hundreds of jobs to central Kansas. And now that one item alone, you know, you're talking almost $2,000 worth of additional tariffs to it. It's just not okay. Adam, you mentioned the rollback and subsidies to the Affordable Care Act that the incumbent supported. And the level of Medicare cuts that have been made by the one big, beautiful bill. I'm wondering how that level of cruelty,

40:48inflicted cruelty, legislatively inflicted cruelty, is working out for so many Kansas people who are losing health care, losing benefits, things like that. Now, let me tell you a story. I was in Hutchinson, Kansas. And a woman came up to me after a campaign event and she said, I'm one of those people who's lost my health insurance. She said, you know, now this woman is a working person. And you know, it's not like she's on, you know, on, you know, public subsidies of other kinds, but she said, when they took away the subsidies, my health insurance went up almost $3,000 a month. And I had to decide I'm making a pay my house payment or my health insurance. She said, I couldn't do both. And I kept a house. And so she says, on my family's one of those that we no longer have health insurance as a result of this. Now, she was about my age and I'm thinking, what's it like you are? I'm 62. And what's it like when you're 62 and you decide you're going to roll the dice and not carry health insurance anymore? We have to do better. This was a conscious decision, Roger Marshall, others made in his party to just ignore these and again in Kansas, it's about 36,000

41:48people so far probably more. And how do you do that? How do you, how do you ignore that? And I think part of the way you do it is you don't sit and listen to people's stories. So you're in Washington 180 days. You visit Florida for a while. You come back for photo ops in Kansas. And so you show up a little events, you know, very carefully guarded the people that you really want to be there because when they were town halls, he walked out of that. So you're not actually listening and hearing people's pain. And that's I think where we're at today in Washington. It's got that Florida. All right. Democrats, Senate candidate Reverend Adam Hamilton. I really appreciate you going this of the forum this place. It's important to you. I do. Thank you for coming. I just say one thing. Could I just say if anybody's interested in more information about me, Hamilton for Kansas.com. I'd love for them to check us out. We've got a real race in Kansas and it's going to be fun out of it. But third when people across the nation here, the Republicans and Democrats in Kansas sent a message to Washington D.C. Though it's happening there is not okay. And that's what's going to happen a bit or a reference. I'm sorry Reverend my earpiece cut out. What was that website again?

42:53Yes. Thank you Hamilton for Kansas.com. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. And coming up our next guest is known for his exclusive interviews with some of the top musicians from around the world, YouTube creator musician and music producer Rick Beato will join us ahead of his live event tonight in Brooklyn. His show has become the soundtrack of our household. Let me tell you something. You're looking right now at the most important interview in rock music, the most important interview in country music and your new friend in classical music. And exactly my new YouTube friend I sent me to walks through. She goes really I can't. Okay. Can we watch Ted Lasso? I go, wait, wait. Hold on. He's got Rick Wakeman coming up. Yeah. Listen to your favorite MS now shows anytime as a podcast. Enjoying new episodes of Morning Joe, Deadline White House and the Rachel Maddo Show. Every small, deep, democratic muscle that we have is

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44:55If you really talk the intro it's so I have to thank Linda Rhyme's that for that song. Another thing and another reason to love Linda Rhyme. I know. That was incredible back story to the 1977 Massive. It's something just the way you are as told by Billy Joel. Of course, that's a song that made Billy Joel a worldwide phenomenon. It was during interview with renowned YouTube creator musician, musical producer, everything involving music. Rick Biotto and fans can expect more stories like that tonight when he entertains crowds with his live conversation. The music breakdown show in Brooklyn. Giotto's interviews. He interviews legendary artists and acts on his YouTube channel which currently has more than 5.8 million subscribers. Before his online start, let me spend decades working as a university music lecturer, multi-interest instrumentalist, audio engineer and record producer. Rick Biotto joins us now. This is so exciting. You're so cool. Thank you. I don't get that often. I don't get on social media often,

46:00I stumbled across you on YouTube and I was stunned and I will tell you one of the things that Sunbeer was saying, wait a second, Billy Joel. He doesn't talk to people anymore. He had a great, amazing documentary, but you just don't see Billy Joel out there anymore. Then I looked, I looked below and I said, 3 million views in one week. Oh, okay. So musicians can come to you and know, yeah, 5 million people following you and they're not there for politics, they're not there for fashion, they're not there for culture. They're not there for book clubs, they're there for music, man. Talk to us about this amazing phenomenon and where it started. So I, yes, so I only talk about music and my interviews. I don't care about personal things and I don't care about politics, anything like that. I started in 2015, not on YouTube, but I had this massive viral video. My son did on Facebook that he has insanely good, perfect pitch and at this video got 80 million views

47:06and people, by the way, I've never heard perfect pitch like that. Like, liquid play two chords. Like D minor 7s to saying 14th over an F sharp. I mean, like the most bizarre chords and he would just spit them out. Yeah, Dylan is so unusually good. I'll play these incredibly discordant chords and he can pick out every note. He can tell you what the theory is and things like that. You know, 8 years old. And so this was, yeah, it went really viral. Yeah. So about six months later, I started my YouTube channel because people had asked me, can you teach that or how did Dylan learn this? And so I started teaching music theory and then I started branching out from that, doing song breakdowns and things like that. And then the stars came and the first star, what is star to come? Peter Frampton chose out. Yeah. So Peter, I had a met a guy at a music convention and he said, I saw breakdown you did of a Peter Frampton solo. I'm friends with them. Would you like to interview him? And I said, yes. So I went to Peter's studio up in Nashville and I just had two cameras and a

48:10little recorder. And he must have thought, oh, this is so low tech. But he was so cool about it. And I filmed it and edited it. And that was the beginning of it. And now other musicians are getting in line to come on. I mean, you know, David Gilmore, you interview him quickly here and he says, Hey, why don't you come to London and let me take you through all of my work with Pink Floyd. Yeah, that was incredible because to be in David Gilmore studio, listen to comfortably numb with them, have him demonstrate all these Pink Floyd guitar parts and all his original gear was unbelievable. So we saw Billy Corgan there, especially pumpkins, parts of half a pro jam, sat down. So why do you think artists must, it must be such a relief for them. First of all, talk about just the music and not the nonsense that goes with it. But also how into the weeds they like to get or they as they describe how these songs came to be. They love getting into the weeds. First of all, artists love their own music. When you record something you spend time making a record, you love listening to it. So when I play their music for them and ask them about it,

49:16it's it's exhilarating for them. They love the sound of it. And and it's exciting. Plus, when you ask them about how they created it, it's, you know, they love talking about that because they never get a chance. So Rick, we have a clip from your interview with Sting about how the music industry has changed over the years. Let's take a look. There's so many good things about the way you can stream anything that you can think of. Yeah. If any recording you can access almost immediately. And that's a wonderful tool for a learning tool. At the same time, it reduces music into a commodity where you can turn on like coffee. That respected less, you know, 200 years ago, you had to go and walk 20 miles, maybe on a Sunday to hear it in church or a concert once in a blue moon or buying a record. You'd take it out of the sleeve and the inner sleeve and it lovingly, ritually place it on the thing and the stylists would go on in the white noise. That was a religious exercise for me. The liner notes,

50:20you would pour through every sentence and every, you knew who played on it, who engineered the thing, you knew all that information. None of the commodity just, it just fills the glass. That's how cool to get that level of discourse and detail with sting. I mean, it's incredible. One of the things too, what I interview musicians that I love is you get the details of the actual music, but kind of where they were in their lives, sometimes physically, with like Billy Joel with piano man. He was in this pathetic piano bar in Los Angeles wondering what the hell he was going to do with his life, watching these businessmen come in and telling their stories or to the other extreme like the stones doing exile of that, you know, in the south of France and all that was going on in there, but sort of those, the conditions also that made the songs. The thing that I'm interested in is that the fact that these songs start, there's with a blank tape. So they have the ideas, they write them, they write the songs, and then you have to record them. And that is the really fascinating thing. What is the process? How do you go

51:23from that to a song that everyone in the world knows? That's what I want to tell you. I'm writing all these guys. I just kind of you learn over the years that you just go, you know, here's the magic source. Including you. I think that they're driven and they have incredible taste in not only in music and art, they're to write these kind of great songs you need to have an inherent sense of melody and things that connect with people. That's the one thing I think that they all share. So you interviewed the leader, lead singer of Gugudal, songwriter, a couple weeks ago. And we've been having this fascinating conversation about the Gugudal's and Irish going viral on, you know, TikTok and Instagram and everything else and what that has done for their following. I want you, I asked you to bring a list because you say this is a game you play

52:26with your friends. So set this up for us and see Donnie, you can't look, don't cheat. So he's going to ask us some questions about the most followed musical acts on YouTube from our days. Okay, so I asked my friends, I go to the Spotify, Spotify monthly listeners and I ask people, how many monthly listeners do you think they have? So for example, the Rolling Stones, just take a guess, Jonathan, Willie, what do you think? How many months of this? I don't even know where you're talking. 10 million. 29 million. Okay. Okay. The Beatles in comparison. 50. Yeah. Yeah. 36 million. What? Okay. The Gugudals. Oh, I see where you're going here. Far more, probably. Like 50 million because of this hit. About 42 million. Wow. 42 million. The Gugudals over the Beatles because Iris went viral on social media. That's the currency. Yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating.

53:28Nirvana, for example, has what do you think? Nirvana. Poor Willie. I'm going to go back to 15 million. Yeah. 39 million. What? Okay. Co-bites. I'm asking you always. Yeah. Yeah. These are impossible. And as a Beatles fan, as a Beatles freak, I would never guess. You're coming to know. I know. It's the most streamed beat song. That's it. But it is. I would have never guessed that. But these things are crazy. But can anybody guess? And I only know this because Rick told me, can anybody guess what the number one legacy band is like with the most streams? Oh, but they're not Taylor Swift. We're talking legacy. Is it Pink Floyd? Exactly. No. Warner. Pink Floyd does very well. Queen. Oh my God. Queen has five or six songs to have over two billion plays. And they have 48 million monthly listeners. I totally agree with that. And you think that comes from the movie?

54:28I think the movie helped a lot. And also Brian May has been out there for years on social media. Yeah. Okay. It's really helpful. This has been fascinating. Rick's live conversation and music breakdown show is tonight in Brooklyn at Warsaw, YouTube creator, musician and music producer Rick Biotto. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Will you come back? Absolutely. I love it. Up next, we're going to go through the latest from the Middle East where more military action is driving oil prices toward triple digit territory plus Nate Silver, who's known for his prolific breakdowns of polling data, launching a new podcast called Still counting. He'll join us just ahead. Morning Joe continues right now with an incredible month. Well, Donnie, I love you. Sportsmanship. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Out there, you have so much too much to as always, too much. For me, being a part of this place has always been about the people, not about the politics. From the field to the studio, Jacob is finding the heart

55:33of the story, connect with Jacob Soberov. We can set 10 a.m. Eastern on MS now.