Fossil fuels and nuclear power kept the lights on during February’s cold snap

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Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.

Rather than tell us the whole story about the important issues of the day, they tell us

only what they want us to hear.

Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal will bring you the other side of the story.

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According to uninformed environmental activists, we must switch from coal, oil, natural gas,

and nuclear power to wind and solar power to supposedly save the climate.

Todd and I have repeatedly shown in this program that there's nothing wrong with the climate.

Sure, it's changing as it always has, but today's climate is relatively benign

in comparison with many events during Earth's long history.

However, the ideologically driven climate scare is not just causing a colossal waste of taxpayers' money.

It's also making our power grids less reliable when we need them the most.

And sadly, that translates into real-world deaths when power goes out during our coldest nights in the depths of winter.

To give us a better understanding of the impact of trying to transition from reliable fossil fuels and nuclear,

to a flimsy wind and solar power, we have invited Wisconsin-based champion for climate and energy truth,

Frank let's say, back to the program.

Frank is senior policy analyst with the Committee for Constructive Tomorrow, or CFAC,

and is the author of an important 2024 book, Climate and Energy Lies, Expensive, Dangerous, and Destructive.

Frank also leads a group called Truth and Energy and Climate, and you can check them out at Truth and Energy and Climate.com.

He has great, weekly curated energy and climate information,

and short, easily digested and very entertaining format you should check it out.

Truth and Climate and Energy.com.

In Frank's campaign in support of reliable power, and against the unscientific idea that our emissions are causing a climate emergency,

Frank meets with politicians and regularly appears on TV and radio.

He's at articles published in media across the political spectrum.

He served as the ledger Wisconsin town board chair, and also in the Wisconsin State Assembly,

and the Wisconsin State Senate.

So Frank, welcome to the show.

Well, thanks for having me on.

Yeah, I think we have you more than any other guest yet.

Obviously you're a popular guest with our listeners too.

So you've actually started working with Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, or CFAC.

Can you tell us about that group and what you're doing with them?

Yeah, I'm CFAC is a think tank that has a lot of different arms.

They work in the climate and the energy world quite a bit.

They also work on college campuses.

They actually have a branch doing good humanitarian things,

like getting water to people in Africa.

So they're doing a variety of kind of things, but they're a think tank that provides ideas, free market ideas for a free market economy.

And that really segues in, and I work in the climate and the energy world.

And that's really where I spend my time, and my work with them, I do writing for them, and consult on,

and provide information, and do research on different topics under that umbrella of energy and climate.

Yeah, well that's great.

And I also still run truth and energy and climate, and people we have a weekly newsletter.

You can sign up online, go to truthandenergyandclimate.com.

And a lot of people like it, it's growing, because what I do is find five curated articles, most of them about energy,

but usually one or two at least about climate.

And then I cut them down to five bullet points.

And there's always a link to the original story, which is a lot longer.

But people can then read the five bullet points of something that's interesting to them or all of them and get their information real fast.

And I provide an alternative perspective that you're not generally getting.

It's not the propaganda of energy and climate, but it's a lot of the truth that's actually happening out there.

Yeah, so that's truth in energy and climate.com.

That's correct.

Yes.

Yeah, I'll link to that under the podcast.

It's a very interesting site. It's also very entertaining.

You know, like I love the way you've set it up. It's really fun.

Now there's your receipt factor. Are you going to jump out of airplanes?

They do all kinds of crazy things, don't they?

Well, that sounds like a lot of fun, but no, I've got the crazies to get to do that.

It's kind of fun stuff, but yeah, enjoy it.

Yeah. Well, they also do a lot to help young people come along, which I think is really important.

That's very, very important.

And I was just doing some writing on it today.

And then, you know, we've sold decades to generations of young people on this climate propaganda.

And things are bad. Things are bad. Things are bad. The world's going to be overheat.

You know, there's no future.

And, you know, 30, 40% of them believe it and buy it and are losing hope.

And, you know, about 40% of the kids are like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have kids or even think about that.

Because, you know, the planet's terrible.

So they've taken what we should be optimistic because people, if you look at the facts,

worldwide crop yields and harvest are off. The world is greening.

CO2 makes the world greener. That means more food for animals. That means more greenery everywhere.

You know, prosperity. People are living longer than ever. There's more prosperity.

There's more education, except for in some of the third world countries,

in particularly Muslim world countries.

You have people, women have gained so much. Families are so better off.

We are better off in so many ways. But yet, you know, they've got sold this propaganda.

Slump their shoulders and go, I'm not even going to really participate in the world.

I'm not going to be excited and optimistic and do my contribution making the world a better place.

Because, oh, it's just hopeless. We're all just going to burn up.

Yeah. And the media are fanning that flame because, you know,

in the case of Vogue magazine, which I guess young women must read,

it says the greatest active environmental terrorism is having a child.

And they go through all the carbon footprints and all this sort of thing.

You know, like I think it's very sad. There is one hope with that I have to tell you about.

And I'll conclude a link to it. And there's a rap star called Tom McDonald.

Have you heard of him? No, I have not.

Well, he's out of Vancouver, but he lives in Hollywood now because he's been very successful.

And he has one video called Brainwashed.

Okay. And he says, you know, he doesn't want his son to grow up to be his daughter.

And don't defund me. The police defund the media to lie through their teeth.

And the nice thing about it, though, is that he gets tens of millions of views.

And tens of thousands of comments on that video in particular.

So while you look at him and you see tattoos on his face and everything,

you're like, oh, man, this is a typical rapper.

He is going to shoot in cops and stuff. No, he's not like that at all.

He's Christian. He actually promotes positive visions of the future.

And he's criticizing the system, you know, that we're actually under.

And the kids, you look, you see what the comments underneath.

He says they're saying, wow, he's so right. He's so right.

You know, so I think there is and see factor promoting this as well.

There is an awakening going on among some young people, isn't there?

Yeah, there is. There's more of them coming online.

And Lucy Biggers is a great example of that.

And she worked with and was out protesting for climate change.

And she's woken up and said, wait a minute, I started learning the facts.

And they're different from what they told me in school.

They're different from what the propaganda says.

And she's doing a very nice job exposing that and just talking to regular people

which is helping more of them wake up. Of course, she only can probably be seen on X.

Because the other platforms are trying to do censorship.

They're trying to do more censorship in Europe and in Canada.

Thank goodness we elected Trump. We'd have we'd be full on censorship here in America as well.

Had we elected the other other candidate.

So she's done well.

And I forget her last name or first name is Anika, which I have a daughter named Anika.

So that's an easier way to remember.

But she's a British climatologist who learned all of this, learned all the propaganda

and then started to look under the hood at the facts and said, wait a minute.

This isn't true.

And now she's doing the same thing as Lucy Biggers is doing as well.

And she goes on X just as Anika with one end.

And she's she's good to watch as well. She's attractive blonde.

So that's kind of helpful as well.

That helps.

She's a pretty young woman.

And but she's speaking the truth.

And as more people I think in that age group speak the truth.

A little different than you and I that are our age group.

But that that I think is going to help as well.

Because the facts simply don't support the narrative we are told on a regular basis.

And that's really a major problem.

And that's what drives and makes so many young people lose hope.

Because they're soul to false narrative.

And they believe it.

And they don't do any of their research.

And unfortunately the search engines are in on it as well.

And AI is in on it as well.

Because AI will go out and just synthesize the most common and top articles from the consensus.

And you know, science isn't done by consensus as you and I know.

And I thought this is an idea.

And you go out and test it in the real world.

And if your test proved true, well, then it works that way.

We believe.

And if the test proved false, will you go well, that's bad when let's move on.

And CO2 really, we should be moving on from CO2.

I mean, it's just, it's, it's crazy.

Well, the loss and opportunity cost.

I mean, you know, in Canada, we spent $200 billion on climate change.

And you remember we're at one 10th year population.

That's equivalent of you spending $2 trillion.

But we spent $200 billion since the liberals came in in 2015.

You know, and then they turn around and say, oh, we don't have enough money for health care or whatever.

Well, of course, if you're wasting on something stupid like climate change, you know, across the world now.

And you won't believe this.

But the climate policy initiative out of San Francisco.

And they think we should spend more money on climate change.

They calculate that we're now spending $5 billion US dollars a day across the world on climate.

It's incredible.

It's just, it really is incredible.

And it's, and it's really wrong.

And you raise a great point because that is money that we should be spending on real things, on, on real environmental protections, on real people that can help real people.

So we take this money and often, you know, the wind and solar answer and I'm sorry folks.

If you do your research even for a little bit of a while, you can't run and get full time electricity.

And the big woke tech companies are pointing to this now.

They're openly admitting it.

You can't to get reliable 24 seven affordable electricity from wind and solar.

It's just not real.

And that's one of those big propaganda things.

And I guess if you buy into the other propaganda, which we've talked, talked through, well, geez, then there's no hope whatsoever.

The world is greening and getting better.

And when I like to open my speeches with and what other people could use as well.

As I say, you know, take a deep breath.

Exhale.

Take another deep breath.

Exhale.

You just released 80,000 parts per million of CO2 into the atmosphere.

And there's 420 in the air right now.

So unfortunately, you pointed this out earlier.

In many places, I think we are the CO2, the carbon they want to reduce.

I mean, it is a prescription for less of everything.

The French government has now come out advising people to eat less meat.

There isn't a directive yet.

This is all soft, you know, at the beginning.

There's no directive yet, but eat less meat for the climate.

Is it all for your health and climate?

But the fact is there's a lot of evidence if you aren't eating processed meat.

But eating regular real meat, it's a lot very healthy for you, particularly for good sources.

So they want to denigrate our health for the climate and what you eat.

So they pick this on purpose because it allows them to meddle in virtually every single thing that we do everywhere.

Yeah, for sure.

Just two quick points. Did you know that there is now more forest in New England than there was at the time of the Civil War?

Because our farms are so much more efficient.

You know, I find that kind of interesting.

And the other thing is you said 80,000 parts per million is what we're breathing out.

Well, I worked as a lifeguard when I was a teenager.

And you know, we had to do most to most direct artificial respiration.

So I would save someone's life with that 80,000.

Yeah, we're saying 40,000 per breath.

Yeah, so 40,000.

So when you do two breaths, it's 80,000 and you're absolutely right.

Well, in submarines, nuclear submarines, they'll go below the ocean for six months at a time with no fresh air at all.

And the CO2 there will be 3,000 to 5,000 parts per million regularly.

It's sometimes up to 20, 30, 40,000 parts per million.

At the 40,000 and I believe it's when you get that high, it really means that you don't have enough oxygen in the air.

It's probably what's very likely you start to have some ill effects.

But we've tested it for the Navy, the soldier or not the soldiers with the sailors who are in nuclear powered subs.

And there's no problems at 3,000, 5,000 parts per million.

A doubling ours from 400 to 800 parts per million would likely increase crop harvest by yields by another 20, 30, 40 percent for most crops.

I mean, these are good things that we should be talking about.

But of course, the media doesn't want to let that out.

The schools aren't teaching this alongside the propaganda.

There should be a balance.

I mean, if you believe in the theory and it is only a theory, folks, that CO2 causes warming, it is only a theory.

But if you believe in that, then you should also get the other parts of it.

But they don't ever talk about the other parts.

So it's just to underline the numbers there.

You're saying that in submarines, it's 10 times higher than the CO2 in our atmosphere.

And there's no ill effects.

Exactly. That's absolutely true.

And greenhouses add CO2.

They pay to put it in because it makes plants grow so much better, bigger, faster, stronger.

I mean, the naysayers, the climate alarmists, oh, yeah.

But you know, they aren't as good or they aren't as healthy and you've got to put fertilizer.

Well, yeah, of course you have to put fertilizer on them.

They grow better.

And they grow better.

And the other interesting thing is, is that plants grow better and tolerate, when there's more CO2 in the atmosphere, they tolerate heat and drought better.

So both of those things, and the reason is, is they have little breathing holes called stomata on the leaves.

And when there's more CO2, they don't need as many, so they don't lose as much water.

So they tolerate heat and drought better because they don't wilt when it gets hot and dry or not as easily.

So it kind of all fits together and it serves plants really well.

Warm, we all know plants grow better in the warmth.

You get more warmth, more CO2.

They tolerate heat and drought better.

I mean, it's all good things.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, it's interesting.

I don't know if you've seen Patrick Moore.

He was one of the original founders of Greenpeace.

He has been touring the world, basically, telling people that CO2 was headed down from, you know, the thousands of parts per million that we had millions of years ago.

He said it was headed down, and of course it got very low during the last glacial down to around 180 parts per million.

He said, but if we hadn't come along and started to release CO2 through, you know, fossil fuel production or cement or whatever, he said,

we were headed down to the end of life on earth.

So he has a big slide saying humans saved life on earth with our CO2 emissions.

Do you think he's exaggerating or is that, is that true?

He's not exaggerating at all.

And plants grow better at a thousand to two thousand parts per million, nearly all plants do.

And we were dangerously low, just a few, a little bit lower.

And he's absolutely correct.

All a photosynthesis would have stopped on earth.

And without that, we all die because we have nothing to eat.

I mean, very short time before all the animals and everything were gone in us as well.

So no, he's not exaggerating at all.

And in the long term, we should be looking at it as we know over the last millions of years, not just the last million, but multi millions.

We go through a period of time of about a hundred to a hundred and twenty thousand years of glacial times.

And I mean, that's when Canada is completely under the ice.

Kind of as an aside to that, there used to be, this is key.

I served in the Wisconsin legislature in Madison, Wisconsin.

And right across from the Capitol, there used to be this nice small monument on the corner made out of granite and brass.

And it just had a little plaque there with a map and it said to the effect that were you're standing.

Twenty thousand years ago was under a mile and a half of ice.

Wow.

Now they spent the money and took that out.

It was on a little grassy corner right across from the state Capitol, because they don't want people knowing things like that.

But it's far better when we're ice-free in Canada and Wisconsin.

At least I think so.

I don't think the polar bears would love it.

And I don't think they'd love it either because there wouldn't be a lot of food for them to eat.

Yeah, polar bears, if it gets too cold, the ice gets too thick and they starve.

And of course, polar bears are doing great.

There's something like five times as many now as there was in 1960.

Susan Crockford, a friend of mine who's specialist in polar bears, she says, well, the polar bears is a success story.

You know, like it's so much in the climate issue is backwards to reality.

It reminds me of 1984, you know, and we say, oh, CO2 is pollution.

No, it isn't.

It's great.

You know, warming is bad.

No, it isn't.

It's great.

Yeah, it is.

And that's why, you know, the European nations in Canada are working towards censorship and controlling the narrative.

And they, they, in 1984, the book they call it duck speak, duck speak.

And everybody just has to, you know, be a duck and say whatever the duck says, you know, whatever was supposed to say.

And it's really wrong and you know, things like the, you know, we talked about the polar bears, the great barrier reef.

It's at all time highs.

Now in 2023, it was at an absolute high.

I know it's come down a little bit, but these last three, four years, it's the most extent that it's ever had.

But you, you're told exactly the opposite.

And then they make a big deal out of it.

It peaked in 20, you know, two years, two years ago.

So, oh, it's down terribly.

Well, it peaked and it's still way higher than it has been for, I think they have records back 30 years.

And this is according to the Australian government figures.

So this isn't, you know, other realists out there.

It's the government itself that takes a real survey of it.

And they're in on it, by the way, as we know.

Yeah.

And you know, it's interesting.

You were talking about censorship.

There's a good reason why there's so much in Canada.

During the COVID crisis or semi crisis or whatever you want to call it, fake crisis, who knows.

But the government decided they had to fund the media to keep them in business.

Now, of course, in Canada, they pay for the CBC, which is our national broadcaster.

But they also started paying half of the salaries of all the journalists, up to half of the salaries.

Now, they've continued that.

They didn't stop it when the crisis was over.

So right now, if you're working for a CTV or global news or the Ottawa citizen or the global mail and national posts,

all those media, the reporters have half of their salary paid by the government.

You know, so they're not going to criticize the government.

Are they really dangerous?

Yeah.

Surely they don't have that in the US.

You know, you don't have government paying media, do you?

Except for maybe NPR.

No, we don't, but we do have pharmaceuticals advertising on TV and sending them billions of dollars in advertising revenue.

So then they don't cover the negative things about big pharma because they lose their coverage.

And that's been an issue that our FDA and Kennedy was looking at it.

But it was, it bumps up against our free speech things.

But by Biden and his regime last time, they completely ignored that really worked to, on the COVID issue and other issues,

use the big tech to throttle out any message they didn't like and spread the message they did like.

That's not free speech at all, but you know, hey, violate away.

I guess there's, you know, no penalty.

Yeah.

That's what people do.

Well, I'll give you a funny example.

And then we have to go for a break.

And during the COVID crisis, the Ontario government put out a graph that showed the rate that people were getting COVID,

if they were partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated and not vaccinated.

And what they showed is that the people who got COVID the most were the ones who were most vaccinated.

So the CBC had an article and you used to be able to put comments under the article.

They don't allow it anymore.

But they had comments section.

So I put up, I said, do you realize that according to this graph, if you get the vaccine, you're more likely to get COVID.

And I said, I know there can be various factors besides the vaccine that drive it.

You know, people who haven't been vaccinated might not go out as much.

You know, so they might not be exposed to as much.

But I said, that is the real statistics.

CBC instantly canceled my posting.

They wouldn't allow it on.

So I thought, well, you know, they must have an algorithm that looks for certain wording.

Because it was within seconds.

So I took a screen capture of the actual graph from the Ontario government.

And I put it in the comment section.

And they didn't notice it for a day or so.

And then they deleted it.

And they banned me for life from ever posting on any CBC article ever again.

So I contacted their audience relations and I said, this is official government data.

And you can interpret it in different ways.

Like, why are you banning me for life?

And they said the decision has been made.

The case is closed. Goodbye.

Quick.

So you end up with media.

I'm not allowing us to hear the truth on all sorts of issues.

And I think you're right.

That is 1984 news.

Big that is dangerous stuff.

It's really scary.

It's very, very scary because.

Because folks, you can say, well, yeah, you know, those people know what they're doing.

Eventually, it gets worse and worse and worse and worse.

And no one can speak out except for what the government party line tells you to.

And that's what goes on in communist countries that goes on in dictatorships and fascist countries.

And if you step out of line or say something wrong, then you get arrested.

It's going on in Britain.

They're arresting tens of thousands of people now because they're, they're criticizing.

What's going on?

You know, these illegal immigrants.

I don't want them in this country.

Oh, you get a visit.

And a lot of them are just annoyance visits.

They don't actually arrest you.

They just come to your house at 12 o'clock at night, drag you out of bed and confiscate your phone for a few months.

Or your computer and your computer for a few months and then give it back to you.

Well, I mean, for regular person, that's a big deal.

And this is a sort of stuff that's going on and scares everybody.

And that's their intent.

Stop criticizing us.

We're going to do what we want to do no matter what.

And that's what happens then.

And what I find interesting, you know, side light, but it fits in with this because that's what climate is being used for is worldwide socialism or government growth or someone else taking care of it.

You know, regular people say, well, capitalism bad.

You know, and do you trust the politicians?

We know I don't.

But you want the politicians to run everything under socialism.

Somehow that would be better.

And of course, people will hold that view.

You can't talk to them because as soon as you start giving in that just that little bit of critical thinking they get angry at you.

You can't, you can't tell them that.

But this is a tool climate change and the energy policy.

They're working to make our energy expensive, our food expensive.

And now the latest thing is is the UN is harping about water shortages.

So food, energy and water.

I mean, you've got to really think about that.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

We have to go for a break now.

But when we get back from the break, let's drill down to the energy issue and find out what was it to kept the lights on and people warm during the cold spell that just happened.

Is that okay with you?

Yeah, that sounds great.

Let's do that.

Okay, stay tuned.

We'll be right back after the break.

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So we're back with Frank Lise from Truth in Energy and Climate.com.

Is that your website, Frank?

Yes, and you can sign up for our newsletter there.

We're going to talk about it more quickly, and we don't sell the list.

And you're able to learn more about these really important topics, because without good energy,

without a good supply of reliable, affordable energy, really our modern lives come to a screeching halt, and people don't understand that.

And we try to make these more complicated issues understandable and interesting for regular people.

Yeah, for sure.

Now, I'd like to drill down on looking at the cold snap that gripped the United States and Canada a couple of weeks back.

So what was it that kept the lights on and kept people from freezing to death?

Was it these wind and solar power?

They're supposed to be the solution to everything.

Well, and interestingly, during this period, Eastern Canada is normally an exporter of hydroelectric electricity.

But during the major storm, they had to import electricity from the United States.

They were not exporting it because they needed more power than they could get from the hydroelectric, which they were normally sending to America.

So it tells you the increase in demand.

And New England area was relied about 40% of their energy came from burning oil, the dirtiest, most expensive form of electricity that we have.

But they they ramped up oil. They have no more coal in the Northeast at all.

So they used oil and natural gas.

And that really turned things wind and solar produced a lot less across the country than they normally do.

But and that's naturally, if you think about it, that's often the case because when it's snowy cold and dark and stormy, the solar and when it gets and when they get snow on them, they produce no electricity at all.

Then it gets dark and it gets dark earlier when it's really stormy and cold.

And then because it's cold, often the wind isn't blowing like it normally does or blows in different patterns.

So you can't depend on those either. So their production was down.

Not as much as during that really bad storm or more than 500 people died in Texas, winter storm, Yuri, a few years ago, that they almost completely stopped altogether.

And coal, coal usage went up, went up, I think by about 40% to about 35% of all of our electricity.

And coal is important. And I highly recommend we keep coal as part of our electricity mix because it's an alternative if natural gas gets expensive.

You can store store coal on site. Typically they used to have several weeks to several months of coal next to the coal plant.

Natural gas, people don't know this, but natural gas has to come out of the ground, get in a pipe and be pushed through a pipe to when it's used.

There's no storage on site. So if that gets interrupted at all, and often when it's really cold, natural gas, if they don't heat the pipes along the way and the interconnections and it isn't handled properly, or it can just slow down in the pipeline.

If it's not warm enough, if the pipe gets colder, it slows down and then we weren't able to draw as much to do to run your natural gas plant at full blast.

So these issues we should have choices and haven't forbid we ever go to a major war with a country like China.

We need to have coal plants that are reliable to give us electricity all the time because maybe our natural gas would be interrupted or there'd be a problem with it.

So there's really great and it's growing and that's full time electricity all the time, 51 weeks of the year they close down typically all the plants close down for a week of your maintenance and then they're off.

So they're part of the mix.

Wind and solar and I try to help regular people understand this and you can tell your friends this or your kids this to help your grandkids to help understand why wind and solar drive up the costs on our electric grid.

The big part is because they're part time so you're a family and you have a couple gas cars everything's working good for you.

You can drive whenever you want to you got a busy life you're taking the kids to things you're working you're going to school.

So you got a busy life and it's working all the time for you then the government comes along says no, no, that's bad for the climate.

You need to have a solar car works just like solar panels only when the sun shining you can drive it as much as you want.

It doesn't have any fuel costs and we'll pay for half of it that's what until until July of this year we're going to be paying for half of them here in America.

I mean we're ending then I know Canada heavily subsidize them as well.

So we're going to give you a big subsidy on top of it and you buy that solar car and you find out it doesn't replace one of your cars.

You have to pay for that third car now too because you still need to get to things at night in the evening and you also learn solar produces very little electricity the first hour and last hour of the day.

Just when you need it to get to work or get home from work.

And so now you say well now I'm paying for three cars and they go we got an answer for you.

Get a wind car works just like big wind towers whenever the wind blows you can drive your wind car it'll be great so you can use that when you can't use your solar car.

And you know and in fact we can retrofit your solar car so it can do both so we can run whatever.

And you say fine and we'll subsidize it again so you buy that one too and you go well wait a minute.

I can't even take that to the kids soccer game or the kids hockey game because the wind might not be blowing when they get done.

So now you're paying for four cars and to make the analogy further you can't just park those new cars you just bought on the street.

You have to build a driveway and you have to build garages to house them just like you have to build transmission wires to move the electrons for wherever you have the solar and wind to the cities where it's needed.

So this is why it adds a lot of cost and then like your car if people who bought new cars know the real cost of a car isn't the gas that you're putting into it the fuel that you're putting into it.

It's a capital cost to paying it off the maintenance and the insurance and all of those sort of things cost more than the fuel costs all you're doing when you're using your solar car or your your wind car is saving a little bit of fuel.

And then like right though because you're driving your gas car less you still have to pay the same other costs for just less fuel cost.

So now your price per mile goes up so you're paying more for per mile and then you couple that with the way the wholesale electricity market works is they say well you know when we need electricity some utilities produce all their own and many of them buy and sell their access or sometimes like Canada needed it Quebec needed it to import it during those times you buy it on the open market.

The way they set it up is it's pay the clearing price it's pay the highest price that you take it's the taken pay system they call it so wind and solar a bit very low because they don't have fuel costs and then these plants that are continuing to run more and more part time because you have more and more wind and solar charge higher prices to stay in business.

The whole sale cost goes up in the solar and the highest price they take which they help make go up.

What a mess is there's two things that you said that I want to really underline one of them is the idea that you actually pile up call on your local station and you might have as much as a year supply just like nuclear you have your power source right on the station and that is much better at securing the grid isn't it.

Then bringing in pipelines which could be sabotaged I mean in a war you blow up I think it's three pipelines into Winnipeg and you know in Manitoba and you've cut the city off but you've got big piles of coal there it's much more secure isn't it.

Absolutely it is now now of course any plant is is vulnerable and we're learning that the lessons of Ukraine but once you blow up a pipeline it's hard to repair and hard to get it back on and that natural gas plant couldn't produce any electricity until that pipeline is prepared and the other aspect of it is is that you have to pump that natural gas out of the ground so you have to keep harvesting it to fill the pipeline to get it to the natural gas plant.

And it's good to have alternatives it's good to have a mix.

Wind and solar and isolated places I'm not absolutely against them but I don't believe they should be grid scale on our grids at all because they just add costs they're parasitic.

They just take away a little bit of usage from full-time plants it's kind of like a picture you kind of like what we do is we call the picture that can only pitch when the sun is shining and there's no clouds.

The full-time picture in its backup picture is the picture can pitch all the time and that's what they're kind of are selling us on you know coal and natural gas are just backups for wind and solar.

No they certainly aren't you know there's so much misinformation and what we do.

Yeah and it's interesting because basically what you're saying then is wind and solar they don't replace solid back solid baseline power.

All they do is replace a little bit of the fuel cost that's it and that's really just not worth the cost is it.

That's exactly correct and it even gets worse is when you get to about 40% of your electricity coming from wind and solar you start to run a lot of your full-time plants in in what they call spinning reserve or idle.

I mean so it's like sitting in a parking lot where your car is idling you still be in fuel granted it's about 10% of the fuel you'd burn if you were running and moving but you have to sit in idle all the time and they learn this very expensive lesson when all of Spain and Portugal and part of France heavily reliant on solar they think they get 70% of their sometimes 70 or 80% and it's sunny and that's another difference.

Their days are long and sunny down there and Spain not not like Wisconsin or Canada so they have a lot of solar but they didn't have enough natural gas and well they don't have any coal plants anymore they close them all down but they didn't have enough natural gas plants running on what's called spinning reserve providing they call inertia and our electric systems have to vibrate at just the right 60 hertz and 60 or 50 hertz depending on where you are in the world and that's just vibrations per second.

And it has to be precise they can't be off at all and that really means supply has to be demand all the time precisely so it's a big system and you got to put that electricity on as soon as one electricity so you know when stops something else has to step in or you got to turn it off.

Yeah and it strikes me that if you're running your backup which is of course the primary power source like like coal or natural gas.

You know it's varying up and down up and down to compensate for the you know variable wind or sun surely it's a lot less efficient than if you're just running them full blast all the time as your only energy source.

You know you're you're absolutely right and another part of that is like your car everybody knows that a car that's driven and stop and grow to traffic all the time wears out faster than a car driven on the highway almost all the time.

The same principle applies to these plants if you're turning them off and on and up and down and up and down and off and on they wear out faster in your maintenance costs are higher that's one part of it and you're you're absolutely correct.

That you're just simply displacing that power.

Yeah exactly and I think that's really worth emphasizing if you want to have efficient use of resources you want to have your power source running as close to 100% as long as possible.

You don't want them you know taking an efficient gas plant and then make it a backup to wind and solar it's going up and down and up and down and that's really inefficient and wears out the whole system much faster that's something we really have to emphasize.

Well you're absolutely correct and they and by efficiency what they mean is is you you put in 100% natural gas goes in and you get about 40% electricity on a single cycle natural gas plant so the absolute energy that comes in with with at 100% 100% of the natural gas goes in is that energy amount.

Then you can generate electricity for 40% of that energy so you lose 60% of the energy for a single cycle plant and that's what most of the plants are and that's what plants natural gas plants when they're turned up and down like you described to match the load at extreme levels they can only run in single cycle.

The most efficient gas plant gets 65 to 70% 60 to 70% efficiency 65% efficiency when because it's a dual cycle so it runs the first cycle that gets you 40% and they capture that energy and that heat and they run a second spinning cycle because these are great big turbines they spend.

And that second one gets them up to a 60 65% efficiency you can't run a dual cycle natural gas plant you have to run it at single cycle if you're cycling up and down all the time.

So to your point it's like going on cruise control with a booster that gives you a lot better return on your investments lack cleaner than as well because you're getting you burn less natural gas to get more energy.

Yeah so it's a double lambie not only is your plant less efficient because it has to run up and down up and down but you can't even use the most efficient plants when you're using his backup for wind and solar.

Exactly that's exactly right.

Wow can you give us some idea not exact figures but some idea of how much money is being poured into this mostly useless wind and solar power in the United States.

Well hundreds of billions of dollars and it's still working it through the system the Democrats and Joe Biden on complete party line votes put in put in the you know the green new deal.

And Trump calls it the green new scam to pay 50% 50% of wind and solar out there so get built into this system and that and the Republicans didn't have the nerve to end it immediately.

They some claim to wouldn't be fair there were others who never want to end it ever the graph the green grift and graft but they're ending it now in July and they also put in a provision that they have to break ground by the middle of July or they can't.

But we're going to work through this system because those are all going to come online over the next year or two or three so electric prices in the United States are not coming down.

And then you add on there in the the wind and solar crowd really love to divert to when there's some truth to it so they're good at getting a little bit of truth and blowing it up to B.L.I.

is that it's the A.I. data centers that are causing all of this by their increasing demand.

There's there's a little truth in that but a big part of it is is this wind and solar mantra that they've shoved down our throats and the blue states in America have much higher electric rates on average.

Then the red states do that have been less aggressive in the states that have been very not aggressive about adding wind and solar like West Virginia and Kentucky and Tennessee.

They have very low electric rates very low electric rates and they've kept their coal plants they've maintained them well and in fact West Virginia is a huge exporter of cheap electricity surrounding states and it comes from coal they harvest right there employing people.

And we have clean coal technology something else people don't understand about coal and I know in Canada I don't think you have any coal plants anymore is that clean coal.

We still have some in Alberta and new brands work.

Oh good well what they produce is they use the solids out of them the sulfur's out of those to make drywall so near any natural gas plant they also use the fly ash is a necessary ingredient for concrete cement making.

You add to cement about 20 to 30% of cement is fly ash because it makes it stronger and it's a lower cost than actual cement and it has a lower CO2 output if that concerns people or it shouldn't because it's a waste product that would be landfill or otherwise put to use but it gets put mixed into cement instead of cement which people don't understand or know it also releases a lot of CO2 because you got to heat it and cook it.

And break that down in that process so it's a necessary ingredient ingredient fly ash is and then our drywall for building purposes is comes from the solids from clean coal technology which take out almost every bit of solids through the smoke stack process and scrub it so it is very it's not just a nice name it truly is clean coal.

Yeah now that's interesting because in 2002 our premier here in Ontario he had a pile of coal beside him at a press conference and he said this is old technology we're going to get rid of it and save the climate which of course is silly I Ontario is a quarter of Canada's emissions and Canada's 1.6% of the world so it wasn't going to have any impact on climate but it's not dirty is it I mean it depends how you burn it.

Yeah that's absolutely right most of Asia is not using clean coal technology because you have to burn 10 to 20% more coal to get the same amount of energy so it cost you more because you got to be the increase costs it cost you more and you have to pay another half a billion to a billion dollars per plan to put it on.

So you know then granted you do get to make some drywall out of it but I don't know how long it takes so much drywall you got to sell to pick up 500 million dollars.

So you you know a lot of the rest of the world they're still building hundreds of coal plants now and that's the other part of this whole aspect of the climate scam is nobody wants to talk about the people who harp and harp and harp on us we should choke ourselves to death raise our energy prices get more on unreliable energy but it's built by China made in China with coal plants that they keep building more up both India and China get the majority of their energy from coal.

And they're building hundreds of plants in the last at least 50 years and they're they're selling us this stuff made with cheap labor no environmental productions and coal electricity it's the craziest thing in the world so we can't afford to build it here because our electricity is too expensive and unreliable so we export it to places that pollute far more than we do to use their cheap power that we say we can't use here.

Yeah, so you could put a big sign on your wind turbine from China made with coal so you don't get away from call at all.

Now I know one of the cement.

The cement and steel that go into that big tower of the same thing you got to have coal with those things.

Now I had a strategic question to ask you because I know some of the people listening to this will be anti wind turbine activists people who understand the ridiculous economics of wind turbines

and also understand the detrimental health impacts of wind turbines the infrasound all the birds that are killed they understand all that and when they act when they're active you know when they speak at political events against wind turbines the one thing they don't bring up is the elephant in the room and that is that they're not needed because there's no climate emergency.

So I mean strategically do you think that they're right to avoid saying that they're not needed because there's no climate emergency because they're afraid to say that.

I mean that's a toughy because they've done a good job that the leftists do this thing that you know as soon as someone says you know there is no climate emergency.

Well plug our ears we don't have to talk about them anymore you know they're just crazy.

Which is really too bad and I mean that's that's what they're concerned about is being completely marginalized but if nobody says it nobody says it and never gets out there.

And another point is is you know what we just talked about you know you're going to put in wind and solar panels made in China with coal while they build hundreds of coal plants to pollute the world worse.

We're going to buy their technology from them but in the steel and the concrete all of this is made with with coal and oil and shipped across the world and somehow you think that is better than us just using our our natural gas or coal plants right here that we harvest right here.

Yeah well you know here's the strategy I think that might work and tell me if you agree if you were to outline let's say you go to the microphone you've got five minutes they call it a delegation when you're speaking to council.

And you point out these negative aspects of use of wind and solar and of course how they're you know not working very well in the cold as well.

And then you bring up and they're not required either because it strikes me that if you get all these negatives put out then people will say in the back of their mind oh man what a mess do we really have to do it and the answer is no.

So maybe that's the sequence they should present the negatives first you know which are real world negative impacts of winter binds and solar power and the fact that they don't give you much anyway and then say and they're not even needed with that makes sense.

Well and and perhaps a softer way for some some of those people because I think some I think you're right I think you should talk about that and I also think you should talk real briefly about you know.

China and India building hundreds of coal plants and using those to sell us those things and now and also and maybe rather than saying well they're not necessary and maybe some people can and should say that.

But they aren't a good deal to us when we're or the the world environment is point out the facts of climate change polar bears are doing great crop yields are increasing.

You know we we aren't having more tornadoes or things like that her cans aren't worse we aren't getting more floods and droughts well you know the the barrier the reefs are doing just fine I mean and maybe point out some of the facts and arm them with those facts rather than then coming out and saying well doesn't you know.

We don't we don't need these because there's no climate change problem you could just highlight some of the facts that are all right and use them even locally like you know Canada is now producing more I'm just saying I'm I'm betting they have higher wheat yields they have higher corn yields they're growing crops further north that's another thing that should be a benefit to Canadians I've seen some articles and I was really surprised by that the crop land in northern Alberta has gone up in value because they're growing crops there they couldn't grow 15 and 20 and 30 years ago.

So to emphasize may maybe use some local those sort of local things to emphasize the benefits that have been going on because we have a slightly warming common warming environment.

Yeah that's a good idea when I was working in the House of Commons I was a legislative assistant for about a year for the opposition environment critic.

My MP couldn't go to a presentation from the World Bank actually Dr. Watson was giving a you probably heard him and he showed during the presentation he showed a map of productivity across the world in the year 2050 and it showed Canada doing great you know so I put up my hand that I didn't realize in these presentations that you're not supposed to question the the wise man up front I said you know you're speaking to a group of Canadian MPs to try to get us to stop climate change but you're

map shows that Canada is going to do great as dead silence and you can see all the MPs looking at it say oh yeah yeah that's right you want to spend how many billion to stop something is good for Canada.

It's hilarious you know it really is interesting to me that Canadians would want to stop a warming climate when it has so many benefits for Canadians.

Yeah why why you'd spend a penny a penny on it makes zero sense to me.

Yeah but I guess it's that socialist mechanism thought process I mean doing it for the whole rest of the world you know heck with the individual you know it's about the collective.

And making sacrifices as individuals okay for the collective and we're a world collective the globalist theme instead of hey no we're Canadians we should do what's best for Canadians.

So yeah circling back to the earlier segment I wonder if Albertans are going to wake up to the fact that they can do far better without the rest of Canada.

Right and that's actually an interesting point we should we'll see how it goes in Canada.

I mean I sure as heck hope Canada retains Alberta there are piggy bank.

So my guest today yeah my guest today has been frank let's say he's a senior policy analyst with the committee for a constructive tomorrow.

And he's also running a website what's the link again Frank a truth and energy and climate dot com.

Yeah exactly and people should look up his new book climate and energy lies expensive dangerous and destructive and I think we're showing that today.

So thanks so much for being my guest today Frank.

Hey you're very welcome and thanks for having me on and thanks for listening folks and talk to some other people.

I important go out and talk to him try to talk in a little sense to him.

Yeah exactly so this is Tom Harrison my guest frank let's say signing out from the other side of the story.