Founding Fathers | The Original Brexit | 3

Who was the boring lawyer who quietly built the machine that made America work? Was John Adams so relentlessly right that even his allies couldn't stand him? And, how did the man who wrote the most beautiful words on human equality spend decades owning the woman who bore his children?

Peter and Afua tear into the contradictions of 1776 — the forgotten architect, the honest man nobody liked, and the wordsmith whose legacy history has never quite known what to do with.

0:00 The original Brexit: what 1776 really was

6:00 John Jay — the unsung hero who built the legal framework of a nation

11:00 The Federalist Papers and the Roman Republic obsession

14:00 Jay's reluctant revolution: the man who wanted reconciliation

16:00 Enter Thomas Jefferson: plantation privilege and the Declaration of Independence

18:30 Jefferson at his desk — and the enslaved people outside the window

21:00 Martha, Sally Hemings, and the relationship history tried to bury

25:00 John Adams: the honest man too competent for his own good

31:00 Rome's collapse, checks and balances, and why they feared what they were building

36:00 Jefferson gave the revolution its language, Jay its structure, Adams its urgency

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