Friendly Fire: The Great Clancy Debate, California Crazy & Taylor Swifting the NFL

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1:58Yeah, well the important thing I think here is that is Bill decided not to freeze her eggs in order to rebalance her life. So that's it. She decided to have her priorities in a different order than AOC. Apparently social. Clavin, she's not going to date you either. They're going to date me. They're going to get your dreams. I don't know if there's a lot of liberal men for her to choose from, though, to be honest with you. There's not a lot of liberal men left. So she may have to expand her search a little bit here. Well, I mean, in which direction I think would be the question. I mean, she could date some trans men. Yeah, more from trans women depending on how everybody identifies. I don't know that that helps the frozen eggs situation. Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, between AOC and then Hunter Biden, apparently, like we needed to know more about Hunter Biden. I did not know that I'm not sure why we needed to know that Hunter Biden apparently is into dudes. Did you see this guys? You saw that he now says he said that.

3:01But is that what he literally meant? He was saying he was like 46% gay. He was like, I mean, all we ever see is him with one hooker after another, basically. And they all seem to be female. They don't look female to me. I mean, maybe how dare you assume that Drew? I cannot believe. I know. I know. So he needs to be part of a minority community. If he needs a political future, he can't just be like a straight white dude who really loves her. He's easier to objecting his sister-in-law to opiates. It would have been easier for him to say he's bi because then you could just go out exclusively with women and no one would ever question if indeed you're attracted to men. I think this is telling and actually gives me a little bit of hope going into the midterms and 2028. If Hunter Biden's of the world still feel the need to act gay in order to be the darling of the Democrat party, they're still not reading the room of America. So more of this, I am all for this. Can you just put the minority in that? I'd expect this to be a little brown to come out in favor of Hunter Biden's bisexuality. That is a shocking development. I'm an ally. I'm currently a higher solidarity.

4:03This stuff and everything. But why do we have the clip? I mean, Drew, you can judge for yourself whether Hunter Biden is actually gay or whether he's only partially gay or whether he is minority, whether he's plurality gay, I don't know. It gets complicated. He's just got. He's just got. He doesn't quite go to the cold. Yeah, that's here. Let's talk about here. Wow, seriously. I'm so amazed. You're gay. Are you gay? Only a little bit. A little bit. Yeah, I think I'm less than 50 percent. What? More or less than 50 percent. 48.6. Okay. Gay? I think he's just muttering nonsense at this point. I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it. Okay. I think you're right, Isabelle. He's looking for Democrat votes, but I don't think that's the way to go. I can appreciate if a man thinks that Henry Cavill is attractive. Okay, that transcends sexual boundaries here. About 48.6 is like a pretty substantial percentage.

5:06That's telling me it's over 50, but you don't want it to sound that way. It's a little suspicious. Yeah, that's not strange. We just learned. We did learn that from straight to under by. That's what we learned. Right? Because Trump has decided to rename the straight of Hormuz, the Trump straight. Trump straight under by. I love it. Yeah, you were just renaming. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. And then the geographic jokes coming high. And have you, by the way, this is friendly fires. You're just watching us mutter nonsense to one another. Hi, sexuality. You can't understand for no. You need to be surprised. Exactly. You can watch us just make jokes about geography and also sexuality for the full hour. I would like to know why are we hearing from Hunter Biden? Why are we hearing what Hunter Biden has to say? I have no idea. He's still so easy. No, he can't tell me. He's telling himself. I mean, yeah, he's telling himself. Yeah. Apparently, like, maybe as a Bordeaux, I don't know the answer, but honestly,

6:10is about I'm not sure I can take the stupidity much more. Everything has gotten so unbelievably stupid. Yeah. That I'm really can somebody ask me the other day. Have you ever thought about quitting your job? And I thought at that moment, like, yeah, right now, actually, because things are so unbelievably stupid. Like, there are actual real things happening on planet Earth right now. And meanwhile, the president of the United States has decided that we must rename Lake Ontario, Lake America, which like, I don't get it. And then we have Miley and Appalachia deported, which again, might be the only thing that brings Americans together. Tally Parton's death and Miley and Appalachia's deportation. These are the things that came in that America. But you're a member of the younger generation. We always make you speak for the younger generation, even though you have generated even a younger generation than yourself at this point. But I do have to like, are things going to continue to grow even stupider, Isabel? And if so, how do Drew and I live? I hope not. I have a hard time answering this question today, Ben, because I too have contemplated just like moving to the woods

7:12and disconnecting from the internet forever this week. Not for the same reasons, funny enough. I actually thought the renaming of the lake was pretty funny. I tweeted Lake America great again, thinking I was being pretty clever about it. And then I realized the White House had already tweeted that. And I thought, dang it, it must have been my husband with the same mind, the same mind. No, for me, it's all of the thousands of comments of women on my videos, including conservative women who are somehow trying to figure out a way to justify violently killing your own three children. And I just think we have lost the plot so substantially in our country this week. Read the entire Lindsay Clancy. Everything is a conspiracy. There is no such thing as an actual criminal trial with real evidence. Anymore thing. I'm a little black-filled myself this week. But I see most of this, not to name blame here too much. Coming from millennials, not from Gen Z. So I hope it kind of just like skips over because Gen Z is really sick and tired of it. Well, I do want to get into the Lindsay Clancy of all of this. And there is this gigantic gender gap that has emerged on this particular topic.

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9:17the fry linseed clansy squat, I believe. I don't know where is on the linseed clansy scale of this. I find the entire fact that this is even remotely controversial. Be willed during mainly because the fact pattern itself is, I would say complex. I don't actually tend to think that this is like a clear cut case of Lady Comes Home Strangles three kids. And there's no mental illness involved. And so it seems to me that the entire case really rests on various takes on the medical status, right? Like it was a bunch of actual medical experts testifying drug interactions, medical histories, is it postpartum psychosis, bipolar water, bipolar two, all of that. And the fact that this has turned into a bizarre sort of political breakdown where one side is like, we cannot even consider mental illness as a possibility. The other side is like, not only is she not mentally ill, she's the most not mentally ill. In fact, she is mentally well because mentally well women want to kill their kids. I don't even know what's happening. Draw, I don't know where you're coming down on this. Well, first of all, I think the one thing that people aren't talking about enough is the bad

10:18laws governing these trials in Massachusetts. Virtually everywhere, if you say that you were mentally ill and therefore not guilty, the burden of proof shifts to you, but not in Massachusetts. In Massachusetts, there are definition of mental illness is very vague. It's not to make not in rule. It's not that you didn't know what kind of act you were committing or whether it was right or wrong. It's basically that you were a little confused. And the burden of proof stays on the prosecutor, which is absurd. The prosecution has to prove that you were mentally ill. So I agree with you basically on the fact that I wouldn't kill her. I would put her away for life. I think the thing that she did requires an act of justice. I don't think she was beyond. I mean, I'm still living by the monotonous rule. I still believe that you have to not know the difference between right or wrong or the actual situation that's in. She knew all those things. She planned it out. She knew it was wrong. She knew to keep her husband away while she did it. So I think that she deserves to be found guilty quickly and sent away for life. But I do have some sympathy for the fact that the medical community stinks when it comes to

11:21handling women's problems. I understand why. I understand why sane women are pointing this out as an issue. The title wave of craziness, of crazy women is kind of shocking. And that is the kind of thing that makes you think that something is going terribly wrong. When you add it to the fact that nobody's having any babies. When you add it to the fact that men and women hate each other. I think that we really need to take a look at the last 40 years of sexual thought and philosophy and maybe rejigger it. I mean, I wrote a piece on Substack pointing out that women's bodies are like the limiting fact of life, like the speed of light is the limiting fact of travel. You know, the fact that you know, you just want to have a good time and women overreact by creating human beings. And I think that this is something that has played human interaction since the beginning, since Adam and Eve. I mean, it really seems to be the beginning of time. And the fact that we're not supposed to speak about it, we're not supposed to say that maybe women should arrange their lives differently in a different pattern than the way men arrange their lives, that maybe the acts that women are created to make, like mothering and

12:25homemaking and nurturing, should be raised in social esteem so that they don't feel that they're just a mom, but instead feel that they are central to life and freedom. I think the sense of victimhood among women really does look to me like insanity. But I think we must participate in it at some level as well. That's well said. I do think it's important to also include in here though, something that I think a lot of people are missing in this conversation entirely. And I didn't even realize it until several days into really deep diving, the Lindsay Clancy case. Never once was this woman ever diagnosed with postpartum depression or postpartum psychosis. In fact, one of the many, many doctors that she shopped around to go see, presumably in an attempt to get as many different pharmaceutical drugs prescribed to her as possible, actually said you're presenting with depressive episodes that are not oriented in psychosis. You are not presenting with psychosis at all. The words postpartum psychosis were actually never used until after Lindsay had hired a lawyer once she had already been arrested for killing her children. This seems to be a masterful stroke

13:30of pulling at your heartstrings and trying to invoke empathy in the court of public opinion from her legal defense team, but is not oriented in actual scientific reality or a real diagnosis at all. The other component to this with the pharmaceutical industry because I too am equally concerned with how much we are over prescribing these drugs, particularly to young moms. I just discovered a few days before the Lindsay Clancy stuff blew up that 32% of stay at home moms and 38% of working moms last year in 2025 took some sort of psychiatric drug. So give or take roughly 40% of moms are on these pharmaceutical medications which may somewhat explain some of the rallying behind all of this because so many women see themselves in this particular case. Lindsay Clancy's cocktail of drugs that really has been referenced on the court of public opinion side for so many weeks, she was not taking all at once. She was not following the prescribed directions from her physicians. She was taking one over here and one over here and happened to pop this pill right before she jumped out the window. There's so many different components to

14:31this, but I actually think it is a huge disservice and so intellectually dishonest and just icky to attach this somehow to postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis which are very real problems that women do deal with rarely on the psychosis side, but it is real and make her the poster child of this somehow when she had nothing to do with any of that. She is not that type of person and certainly not that type of patient and now we've seen that really envelop the entire conversation surrounding feminism and women's rights. It's really gross actually. One of the things that I think is important to note here actually is and this is where I start to run into the possibility of a hungary. That is psychiatry is a very, very undeveloped portion of medicine. It is extraordinarily basic. 100 years from now people are going to look back at what we're doing and basically recognize that we're essentially trying different types of berries on different sets of symptoms. You can have a set of symptoms that is interpreted about five different ways very, very easily because the way that you typically diagnose a psychiatric condition is it's an actual checklist of various sort of

15:36thoughts, feelings, and activities. And then again, many psychiatrists can interpret that in many different ways and then they try this medicine in order to deal with this symptom and that creates new symptoms. Now you need a secondary medicine to deal with that symptom, but how does that interact with the first drug? And so it really is more than any other area of medicine, almost just trial and failure. And so from that level, this is why I think the insanity defense in this particular case, it's not, normally you can dismiss it out of hand. I don't think it's totally dismissable out of hand. And so it had, I have said, like I'm not sure that the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt under Massachusetts law that she actually killed her kids with malice of forethought as opposed to the insanity defense applying, but this is why I say it's a complex set of facts. And I think that people should have a little bit of grace when they're talking about the facts themselves, but I don't think any of that is happening in this actual conversation. But I want to switch topics now to a place that is legitimately crazy. And that of course is California. And joining us online is California, gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton, who has taken time off from his busy schedule,

16:37trying to save a state in its death road to hang out with us. For some reason, I can't quite discern, but Steve, how's the campaign trail? It's, you know, I'm actually enjoying it, which is amazing because it's pretty grueling. But you know, there's a lot of energy you get from the fact that people are so desperate for change. It's a disaster, obviously. We don't need to go into that. You know, this, this state is just the bottom of every, every table you want to look out on every single measure. It's 16 years of one party in control. It's a total disaster. But people, you know, there's a real energy, an optimism. And actually, I know everyone thought this is a joke and there's no way you can wear it. It's a deep blue Democrat state. Forget about it. But truly, in the last, you know, a couple of months, we've truly been closing the gap. So if you look at the outcome of the primary in early June, I got 25%. The other Republican got 10%. That's 35. You add up all the many Democrats that run, minus the Swole World, who blew up. That's 65%. A 30 point gap.

17:41The first poll came out. It was a 25 point gap. Then we started with our campaign. And he'll be been very aggressive targeting the Sarah Myponent, who's just a complete joke, but a dangerous joke, as well, when you look at what he's done, particularly in relation to the migrant children, that were his responsibility during the Biden Open Board of Disasters. And we've been putting out very simple, focused argument on how I'm going to cut people's costs, cut gas prices, taxes, and so on. And the gap is closing. It really is closing. So the first, so it's 30 points gap in the primary 25 points in the first poll. Then it was 18. Then it was 14. There was a poll last week. It was an eight point gap, under 10%. So whatever polls go up and down, but we're definitely the trenders in the right direction. And any objective measure, you just look at this race and think, how can you possibly justify continuing with this insane misrule that we've had in California? Is there a problem, Steve? First of all, it's nice to meet you, Steve. I've always admired your

18:42work. And by the way, I know a lot of political observers in California who say that you've got some real energy behind you, the people that you really are have sparked a lot of energy. And I have no idea what your chances are in that state or what the state's chances are. But what I'm wondering is this, where is your voting block? I mean, they seem to have chased so many people out of California that the result might be that you're left with the people who are now dependent on the state. And those people who are so independent of the state that they really don't know what the hell is going on. So who are you targeting at this point to find the voters? It's a great question. It's the question. There's basically two answers to it. So first of all, just to give you the numbers, we conducted our own research. Obviously, we want to know what is the pathway to winning here. And this, the poll was done around the same time as that, the early polling that had the big gaps. So the numbers are probably lower than they really are today after two months. But what we found was that actually my opponent, Javier Basera, even though he's a kind

19:45of ridiculous 36 year career politician, totally unaccomplished and un-distinguished in any job he's done. He's been around a long time in California, but he's not that well known because he's just just so such an, to use Susan Rice's word, such an idiot. So he's not got some massive support. This is not like it was, you know, in the last 16 years when there's always been a clear kind of next government waiting. You've had Jerry Brown. For the first eight years, he'd been governor before big figure. Then of course, Newsom, who'd been eight years as Lieutenant Governor, had a high profile. Basera is not like that. So we found that the support, when you really drilled down to the solid support, it was, this is going back a couple of months, 33% solidly for me, 41% solidly for Basera, and then 26% who are really up for grabs. And that's really the answer to your question. The 26% who in the past have voted Democrat, but they're truly undecided and are mostly

20:46working class people, not college educated, slightly lean Latino, slightly female. They're just sick of all the cost and hassle and nightmare of everything, paying more taxes for the worst results and just want something practical to change in their lives. So that's really our group. It's kind of working class regular people in California, just can't take it anymore. There's another, and then other answer to the question also, which is always important in a midterm election. I'm sure you hear this from every candidate is just turnout boosting Republican turnout. There's a very important number here, which is not about the percentages, but the total number of votes are estimate on the total number of votes I'm going to need to win based on the last two midterms in California and what we saw in the primary is about six million votes. Now Trump in 2024 in California got 6.1 million. Obviously that, you know, it's a much bigger turnout that translated to 38% of the vote, but the point is there are 6.1 million people more than enough for me to win who voted for Trump in California just a couple of years ago. So it's a combination

21:51of tar of reaching the working class people who just can't take the nonsense anymore and the costs and really doing what we can to boost Republican turnout. Steve, can you talk to us about the election integrity piece of all of this? I know people have a lot of questions about California, especially in the wake of Spencer Pratt's defeat there in the mayoral election and a lot of ballots that still seem to be missing in the process. How are you guys planning to combat that going into election day? Yeah, I get, I mean it's a question every event I do, we're doing these terms. I think a lot of the energy people are talking about is that we've really, you know, a lot of people said at the beginning of this to me experts, you know, oh, you don't, you know, make your announcement for your campaign and then you stay at home and you just call people for money and that's it. And spend it on TV ads. That doesn't feel right. And so we've been really, you know, we've done hundreds and hundreds of events and it didn't pretty much every county. There's one left to do. I'll be doing that over the Labor Day weekend. No one's done that for decades. So I really know what people are focused on and this question about the election or pretty much

22:57every single one of these events it comes up. The way I put it is the word that people use is, you know, cheating, they cheat, they cheat. It's not cheating. It's not illegal. They've created a system that is legalized and helps them, which is the combination of universal male embellishing sending ballots to everyone on the voter rolls, which are completely out of date and wrong. Ballot harvesting where anybody can go and collect any number of ballots. And that's where you see the role of the nonprofits that are so corruptly funded, often through taxpayer money, the unions, the government unions again, corruptly funded through the government and the favours they do them. And all these left-wing activists, so they've got this machine which goes around using the system to its advantage and then the final piece of it is this insanity of counting the votes seven days after election day. I mean, we were really disappointed in that Supreme Court ruling that that everyone expected the Supreme Court to, you know, clamp down on that, but it's still the law.

23:59And even more insane, just for those who want to understand quite how far off the reservation we've got in California, you can back date your ballot. So it doesn't even have to be a post-part by election day. You can literally write the date and then, you did, after election day, it's just insane. The only answer is, look, we can't change any of that in advance of the election. There's been some progress in cleaning up the voter rolls. That is real. Judicial watch Tom Fetton did a lawsuit against LA County, which is the by far the biggest county. It's 23% of the vote. And one and a half million wrong names were taken off the voter rolls in LA counties. That's progress. And then the Justice Department has filed a few more lawsuits against other counties than the total we think is three and a half million wrong names taken off. So that's good. Good news. My answer is we've got to do it better than they do. I mean, I was just with a really big group of pastors who are supporting me in the churches.

25:00And well, just this week, and I said, look, no point complaining about it, we've got to do it. You should be doing ballot harvesting in the church. Use your networks everywhere I go. It's like we got to build our own machine. And actually, there is some real investment coming in, financially, into the campaign to boost turnout operations and Republican turnout, which will help also with the other insanity that's on the ballot in California. They see which is this billionaires tax. Yeah, I want to I want to broaden the out the conversation a little bit to just go national. Because obviously what happens in California has national implications. And California is an extraordinary example of what happens when people decide that the free markets are of no use. And that a positive envy is basically just going to govern the state. And Steve, of course, you've spent your career being an ardent advocate for the free markets. And one of the things that I'm very concerned about and I'm concerned about on the left, which is decided to full scale embrace socialism. It's like 190 Democrats voted yesterday against a proposition in Congress to condemn

26:02socialism in all of its forms. And of course, they're siding with a wide variety of garden variety socialist like Bernie Sanders or AOC or the DSA. But also, they've decided that they are going to, you know, basically treat capitalism on the right in some areas of the right as though it is a problem. And so I wonder, you know, if you think that the future of American politics, unfortunately, we've entered sort of the post-capitalist phase in which everybody just sort of argues about where it rearranged the anti-free market deck chairs on this Titanic. It's a disaster if that happens and I'm 100% clear about that. And with you on that, you know, it's just ridiculous. And what I've noticed, I mean, this is, I've been thinking about this for a long time, actually. And, you know, the nuances here probably escaped everyone except me who was thinking about it. But I really did try hard when I hosted my show on Fox News and really became a participant in these debates in America to really, and that arose just at the time of

27:03the populist uprising, which we really saw in 2015, 2016 with Trump, etc. Of course, Bernie Sanders and AOC, the left wing populism, we saw in Brexit, sorry, in the UK with Brexit, it's all around that time. And that's, and in fact, I was hired at Fox to do my show to, as it were, cover the populist movement because I was strongly in favor of Brexit and that's really how I came to the attention of the people at Fox and so on. And all through that period, I used this phrase, which again, I'm not climbing any great, you know, genius here, but it really meant something to me, which was positive populism. And what I tried to argue the whole time is there's a legitimate set of grievances here that this populist uprising is aiming at the fact that the wages have stagnated, the sense of social mobility has crumbled, the sense that you can make it in America or in the

28:04UK or anywhere else if you work hard and all those things that we used to say. And that was always my answer to, you know, questions about inequality or whatever, it's like, yeah, of course there's going to be difference. Margaret Thatcher said, you know, let our children grow tall, so I will grow taller than others. And that's great, as long as everyone's growing. And it's not about the gap between the top and the middle and the bottom, whatever. It's not about that. It's about the sense that anyone can make it in the system. And there was a legitimate sense that that was not true anymore. But the answer to that is to deal with those specific problems. What's gone wrong in our education system? The kids are not equipped to get good well-paying jobs. What's going on with business formation that it's just such a nightmare to start a business in California, which is where you end up having the worst business, or wherever else. You know, the structural problems that have caused wage stagnation and a lack of opportunity and social mobility, that's what we should be aiming at, rather than what, you know, demonizing big business or whatever

29:07it may be. And so I was always on that, you know, for 10 years I've been trying to make that argument. And I think it's really important now because it does feel exactly as you say that it's slipping away. And it's all, it's just so easy now to say, well, we're against, whatever, we're against, but the data center thing, I think, is a good example of action. But there's so many others. And I think it's incredibly important. We make the case for free markets and free enterprise and capitalism. And California is a great place to do it because we're just going in the exactly the opposite direction. As a result of which we have the highest unemployment rate in America, of all 50 states, the highest poverty rate, the highest cost of living, all these things that Mamdani and Usiah, all the people on the right as well, we're saying we've got to do something about these problems. But the more you go in the direction against capitalism, the worse these problems get. I mean, Drew, I want to get your take on this because, you know, when we talk about populism, I start to wonder whether there can be a populist movement any more in the United States that is

30:09built on sort of free market principles. And the reason I say that is because we may have had so many years, so many decades actually, of politicians telling people that all of their grievances against the system are justified, that it is impossible to say that now what we need to do is uphold the general systems of free market capitalism with these few fixes. It may be that undergirding in enormous amounts, sort of say, Reagan-esque populism, which was a free market populism, was an idea of gratitude for America. That America was awesome. That America was indeed a land of opportunity. And if you get rid of these obstacles, then that opportunity will be there once again. But I think that after decades of people telling people the opportunity has disappeared, baby, feel now think that the opportunity is just completely gone. And the only way forward is to completely raise all of the systems to the ground. And I feel like you're seeing that from left to end the right. And so basically, I think now the right is trapped in what I think is kind of an unwinnable game, which is trying to outbid the left in its order to destroy systems. And I just don't think you can ever outbid the left on that one. Yeah, though, there was an amazing moment when JD Vance was talking to our own beloved Michael Knowles and said something so

31:14intelligent and something so stupid right on top of each other that it really pinpointed what I think the problem is. He said, you know, that the old laissez-faire free market used to work because we had Christian guardrails that were inherent in the society. And I agree with that. And he said, those Christian guardrails have crumbled. I agree with that. And then he said, therefore, we have to give rid of the laissez-faire free market. And I thought, wait a minute, why isn't the solution that we have to bring back the Christian guardrails? It's as if John Adams had said our constitution is only for a religious and moral people. And we're not a religious moral people, so we should get rid of the constitution. That's not the answer. I mean, the answer is we have to assert the moral structure that does make capitalism work. I mean, you and I have talked about this a zillion times, but you can make anything capitalism, prostitution is capitalism, drug dealing is capitalism. But we assume that the capitalism we're talking about is going to be fair play between, you know, fair competitors. And that is the system that we have to bring back in

32:18in order to do that. You do have to have an overall moral structure. And that's where I see the spine of the right crumbling. I see the spine of the righteous saying, you know, we simply cannot raise our voice against, you know, anything transgenderism, you know, if it weren't for Donald Trump, the Republican Party would not be standing up against transgenderism. I mean, it's the belligerence of Trump that has been God's gift to this country and given us a chance to reclaim our guts and standing up for a moral system of capitalism, which does not mean the government controlling the free market. It means people reacting to the free market in a cultural way that says, no, you can't do that and continue to have me support your products. And so that's what I see. I see people saying things that are true, identifying problems that are real, but coming up with solutions that immediately, just like the left, go right to the government and right to top down control. And I just think that's the wrong answer every time. I think I want to ask is about

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34:24So Isabel, obviously, 2026, I mean, the polls look pretty ugly for the Republicans. I did a show the other day where I kind of went through the reasons why I think that is to me, you know, the biggest reason is that the Republicans just don't have any sort of serious narrative through line. Every election basically is a referendum on two topics in the end. One is economic well-being and the other is national security and national security encompasses things like immigration. And the Republicans seem to particularly the Trump administration. I agree with, I would say 75% of what the administration is doing. But it feels like they're just randomly picking apples off the tree and every day a new apple is picked off the tree. One bite is taken of it and then it's just thrown randomly to the ground. And so I don't blame the American people for feeling a little bit confused at this point. But what do you think 2026, you know, is going to be like and how does it how do Republicans fix that? Yeah, it's a great question, but it's the one everybody's asking, including in Washington, where I call home these days. It's interesting living in DC. There's a lot of optimism coming from elected Republicans going into the midterm elections. I hope to share some of that optimism at this point in time. Look, realistically,

35:27historically, it's very, very, very unlikely Republicans keep control of Congress. That's only ever happened to me understanding once in history that the party that swept all the chambers of government in the last election holds on to a majority in the midterms. So that's unlikely to begin with. But what I'm mostly seeing from particularly younger voters across America right now is something that Drew just alluded to in what he was saying about the free market. There's a lack of inspiring movement from our elected officials right now about being a conservative and being moral on offense, especially in Washington, but really from all of our elected officials in top levels of positions across the country. We're sort of reverting back to the well. We shouldn't really talk about that particular subject because God forbid what if it might offend people or well, yeah, there's a huge problem of let's say Islamic immigration going on in major parts of our country, but you can't really say that America is a Christian country because what if we offend our voters who don't happen to be Christians? And so on some of these touchier subjects, I do think the Republican Party is going to have to continue wrestling with the Donald Trump

36:30effect. Do you say it like it is? Do you say what everybody is continuing to think? But you're not allowed to say and be boldly unabashedly unshamedly conservative on offense going into the midterm elections and more importantly the 2028 election or do you kind of revert things back to well? We cut taxes and eggs are a little bit cheaper now and you have a little bit more money in your bank account. That's going to be an important linchpin for what young voters in particular are looking for with courageous conservatism on the ballot. You see, one of the things that you've spent an awful lot of time doing and I think that you've done it really well over the course of the years is draw out that free market narrative in moral terms. And I think one of the quibbles that I have again with the administration is that it feels almost random in the way that economics is approached. So on the one hand, you'll have the administration say that data centers are great. The presidents of this the other day, data centers are good. And then in the most blunt, Trumpian fashion possible, he suggested that you should only not want data centers if you wish to be poor and miserable essentially. And then at the same token, then the president will then use the administration to

37:32take like government stakes in private companies. And so I don't blame the American people for being well, hold on, are we doing nationalization of resources or are we doing free market innovation? Are we doing high tariffs in order to protect particular political industries or are we relieving tariffs in order to reduce beef prices? Like what are we actually doing? And it's sort of a sort of kind of haphazard from some pragmatists, but you can't be a pragmatist narratively. You have to have a narrative. You have to have a story that you're telling. Otherwise, there's just no story. You can be politically pragmatic, but you do have to have a narrative. So I mean, what are you seeing? Well, first of all, just on that specific point, I mean, that's completely insane. This sort of public ownership of the big AI companies. It shows you how dangerous it is because the AI companies themselves, the two big ones that are not part of pre-existing tech companies open AI and anthropic are pushing this. They want to be owned by the government as a form of regulatory capture and to stop competition. I mean, the whole thing is it just a, we're heading towards a real disaster actually on that. If that happens, that will completely seed the whole thing to

38:32China. There's a very dangerous moment right now on the regulation of AI. You can see David Sacks, for example, who's taking a really good strong position against the drift of where the federal government seems to be going. That's a very important thing to watch. But just one thing, I want to throw this in here because I rarely get the chance to do this. It's actually one of my, I'm going to come off like some pseudo-intellectual how I'm really not. It's a quote from Edmund Burke that I want to throw in here if you don't mind. It's my favorite quote. I'm really not like this, but I did do philosophy politics, economics, Oxford. And so I read all this stuff. This is just so perfect. Can I just read you this quote Edmund Burke? I mean, probably know it. Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites. And then it goes on to say, society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere. And the less of it there is within, the more there must be without.

39:36I just think that's just such an important point on this, right? If we don't have that kind of sense of doing the right thing and what's what standards of behavior are and what we accept from a moral point of view, then none of this works and you end up with the need for more and more government. And that argument I've often made is that if we if we use the analogy of supply and demand, the government, right, conservatives often go into it saying, we're going to cut the supply of government, right? Cut spending, cut taxes, cut regulation, cut bureaucracy. That's what we want to, of course, I strongly agree with that. But the problem is if you don't also address the demand for government, then you're losing that battle because you've got all these problems that people, you know, and in a day-to-day basis, the politicians are called upon to do something, say something happens. There's a reaction, oh, we must clamp down on whatever it is and have some new rules and cost and bureaucracy and whatever. And so the to me, the real trick is if you can

40:38reduce the demand for government by avoiding these problems in the first place that give rise to the demands for more spending, taxes and regulation. And that is about, and that's why I always go back to things like the importance of strong families and strong stable families to raise kids, because actually all the data shows that if you, you know, if you're raised in a family or a two-parent family, you are still together by the time you're a teenager and then you're not going to need all this government spent on you, whether that's welfare or involvement with the criminal justice system or whatever. And so actually, there's a really important moral component to this as it relates in the end to bring down spending and taxes. Retweet. No, I think that's, I think that's really important. And it also brings the another dimension of the current war in Iran into perspective, because I, you know, Ben, I wanted this thing to end well

41:40before the midterms. Trump says, no, he's not going to happen. But there's nobody there making the argument. And Trump is making it in the most inarticulate and blustering way possible, which is a very off-putting, to say, look, you know, they were going to have nuclear weapons, they can't have nuclear weapons. There are a murderous regime around the world. It's not just in the Middle East, they're doing it around the world, almost all the violence in the Middle East comes out of Iran. We have to stop them. We have to do it now because they're moving toward this nuclear weapon. And, and here's the part that nobody will say, that requires some sacrifice from the American people. I mean, if I read one more article about gas prices, you know, I'll go insane, but people do drive to work, people need that, you know, need the gas. And it is painful. I mean, it was painful to watch it go up. I don't drive around much, so I don't have to worry about it, but I know that it's a real thing. So you have to put this in terms of sacrifice. And we no longer have the language, with which to do that. And the media makes sure that we don't have the language. And the Democrats make sure that we don't have the language. But basically what Trump is asking of us, he is

42:43asking something of us that we tolerate the discomfort of this, the dangers of the economy, the higher prices, the fact that he seemed distracted from the kitchen table, the kitchen table topics that are usually what fill the minds of Americans. He's asking us to put that aside and let him do something that's going to take a little bit of time. And instead, what we've gotten from the administration, which is unfortunate, is this is going to be all be over in 20 days. And now six months, and we don't know what's, you know, what's coming down the pike. So the messaging is bad, but also, also the actual situation is calling for sacrifice. And sacrifice is something that you have to understand in your heart in order to even respond to it when you're repeal to. And that's just not happening. Drew, this is totally true. And when it comes to the Iran war, again, I was very critical of the sort of early ceasefire that the administration declared because I didn't think it was strategically sound. I thought that it actually delayed the impact of what we were trying to do. But one of the things that's been kind of amazing and underccovered is that we are actually

43:44winning now. Like that is a reality. The straight-of-hormouse actually is relatively open. Like the amount of oil that's coming out of the straight-of-hormouse is the highest it's been since the beginning of the war. The straight has in fact been demined. Iran has lost its point of leverage on that. The regal is essentially dead. It's at 2.1 million to the dollar, which means that it doesn't exist effectively as a currency. They're gigantic lines, fuel lines, in Tehran. The regime is cracking in pretty significant ways. But because, again, this has always been my critique of President Trump. Is that President Trump says, a great many good things. And he's always a hammer in search of an ale. And sometimes he gets an ale and sometimes he hits a baby. And when it comes to the messaging on Iran, it's been a mix of both. Right? So on the one hand, he'll say Iran needs to be stopped. They can have a nuclear weapon. They can't be developing long-range ballistic missiles. That all has to stop. And on the other hand, he'll tweet out an AI video of the United States bombing Carg Island. And it's like, well, dude, I mean, what are we trying to do? You can't tell the American people. You want to lower the price of gas. But also, maybe here's an AI video of me bombing car. I'm not actually going to bomb Carg Island. But I'm going to put out an AI video. The

44:48discombobulation in other words has a cost. These, I think, that the policies of the Trump administration overall have been quite good. Again, I would say 75% of them I agree with. But the articulation, because there is no narrative through line and every day is a new day in Trump world, which has always been the case, that when people feel dispeptick, it's easy to see why. It's easy to go, okay, well, it feels chaotic. It feels like there's kind of a lot of choppy waves out there. And that is, I think, going to be a real problem for the Republicans in the midterm, if they don't get a hold of it. Well, Steve, I really want to thank you for taking the time out from your busy campaign schedule to hang out with a bunch of stumble bombs like us. And obviously, I know it's fun. Steve, how can people go, how can people support your campaign, which may be the last-age effort to save the state of California? Yeah, stop us from self-destructing. So, Steve Hilton for Covenant.com, FOR, Stevehilton for Covenant.com. And, you know, check us out on social media at StevehiltonX and spread the word. I think we can do this. It's going to be very much a not-pill battle. I've never pretended otherwise, but it is not impossible. And therefore, we

45:51got to go for it. Thanks for the time. Absolutely. We are all behind down that one. Okay, is about, so you have something to say. I do. We're going to switch gears into some other topics. And I have some other interviews that we're doing for my show here in studio. But before we go, I just want to tell our audience about something that I've really been deeply caring about with a challenge that we've set for our audience this fall. You guys know the pro-life cause is incredibly important to me to all of us, especially here in the last few weeks when we've seen the need for us to protect the next generation of our babies. And this fall, our show is teaming up with live action with a goal of raising $10,000 to help 200 women choose life and save 200 babies lives. That sounds so arbitrary. But if you just think about that for a second, that's 200 babies who get the chance to grow up because their moms received life-affirming truth and resources. And maybe most importantly, hope when they needed it the most. Live action has an estimate that just $50 can help one woman choose life and save one baby from the horrors of abortion. But this is really about all of us just doing what we can. Obviously, this means so much to me this fall,

46:54as I just announced I'm having another baby this winter, which I'm so excited about. And there are millions of women today who are facing pregnancies, not hearing the same support and love that I've received from my family, loved ones in our community and village. But instead are being encouraged to end the lives of their baby in the name of women's empowerment. We can't let that stand. So, whatever you can give, if you can give $10, if you can give $20, if you're able, every gift helps get us closer. My goal is $10,000 for all of us together this fall to help 200 women save 200 babies. You guys can text Isabel to 70723 or head to liveaction.org slash donate slash Isabel. On that note, I got a jump because we have some fun interviews to go tackle for our show this afternoon. But it was nice hanging out with you guys. We need dinner. It was good to be busy, Isabel. And congrats again on the baby that is awesome news. The daily wire family continues to grow. So that is awesome stuff. And now it's just a bunch of old men hanging around one then one slightly older than. Okay, so Drew, we were very mess if we did not comment on the deportation

47:59of a seminal American figure. I speak, of course, of Milo, Yanopolis. It is my contention that if Republicans wish to win in 2026, they should just run on the fact that they deported Milo. This is their very few propositions in American life that have over 100% support. I think Dali Parton was a person who had pretty much universal American support. And deporting Milo Yanopolis has similarly high levels of support is my understanding. Well, I do have misgivings in that they're sending him back to England and sending a homosexual to a Muslim country seems kind of cruel to me. But I guess he's just going to have to live with it. That's what I have to admit. I have a bit of an I told you so moment here because I remember you and I when we started out when the daily wire started, Milo Yanopolis had a moment. And people don't even remember it now. But he was this kind of gay icon slash conservative. And they were carrying him on chairs into universities to make speeches and all this stuff. And I remember you're shaking your

49:00head and just thinking, this is horrible. We've got to fight this guy because he has a bug in his nose about you. And he's been picking on you for 12 years. And I remember turning to you and saying, Ben, you're going to be the leader of a movement. This guy's going to be found by the bag of cocaine in a motel six somewhere. I have to say I have to say true words were never spoke. I just don't get enough credit for my far-sightedness into the future. That was far-sighted of you. I mean, to be fair, you have thousands of years of history behind you. You personally live. You have a broader background with history. I'm going to draw. But saying the long span of history, my only goes back about 40, but yours goes back to Sennaka. That actually, but yes, you were totally right about that. I will say that, you know, Pierce Morgan, who I've termed the the internet politics version of Bonnie Blue because he's a click war who'll do anything for some money. His interview with Milo Yanopolis is I will admit, addictively and compulsively watchable because watching Milo Yanopolis, who's truly one of the

50:02worst human beings walking the west right now? I mean, just this tweet alone about Dennis Pregor after Dennis' horrible injury is enough to earn him an everlasting place in hell. Milo's sitting there lamenting how he was crying like an old woman as he was arrested. And Shodan Freud's a thing. We do have a clip of it. If you wish to engage in the Shodan Freud here, here's a clip. I got to watch. Sure, it was humiliating and it was disorientating the rest of it. It was physically degrading. It was it was frightening. I don't think I've ever been frightened like that before. How emotional have you been through this period? I've never been like this before. I tripped and kind of tumbled down the stairs a matter two ago and you know, I'm a clumsy person so that it's not the rarest thing in the world. But it set something off from when I'd been kind of, you know, shoved down a couple of steps and I was weeping like an old woman for an hour. And I was like, oh, I really have to go to get this out of my system. I think maybe in the past I've been a

51:04little bit, a little bit blasé when people talked about their trauma, a little bit kind of cavalier when people talked about, you know, stuff kind of lingering with them, but I get it now. And I wouldn't wish it on anyone. You literally wish it on everyone. That that that was maybe the most self-blind statement I've ever seen. This guy has been a flamboyant emotionalist since he appeared on the scene. He has changed, you know, he didn't. It's not like he changed from a gay icon to a repentant, you know, guy who says, I don't I don't want to live that life or anything like that. He went from that to being a somehow devout Catholic worshiping the Virgin Mary, but living with a guy, married, he says to a guy, except that they're not having sex because that gets his real, the man makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, which may have to do with the fact that he's hiding evil.

52:05What word to use exactly, but he does seem to be a complete like in, he seems to be dominated by self-delusion. I guess is what I would say. And I actually look, I don't want the guy to go falling downstairs. I don't want anything bad to him, but but but among the people being deported, he's not one of the people that I'm sort of, you know, piping my, a tear from my the corner of my eye about. We have enough learning in America. I'm very much in favor of more deportations. We need to upscale the deportations. I think there are plenty of people. I think Hassan Pekker should be deported. I think that we should strip him of a citizenship. I think there are plenty of people in the internet world who are if we're going to deport them, the world will be better off for. Okay, so we now have a segment called Calci time. So apparently Calci has a question. They are a sponsor, of course. Are we about to see Trump impeachment hearings again? Like it's 2019 all over again. That is the question. So here's how this works. We're going to take a look at what you and millions

53:07of other Americans believe thanks to the prediction markets from our friends and sponsors at Calci on a number of issues. And you can join the conversations you by heading on over to Calci.com slash friendly fire. And we will give you our sharpest wittiest unfiltered takes, which, you know, isn't going to be all that sharp. It can be that all that way, but you know, we got to do it contractually. So let's kick this thing off. Okay, so will Trump be impeached? It looks as though the yeses have it by a wide margin here that Trump will indubitably be impeached. Okay, Drew, is he going to get impeached? You know, I think he is and I think it's comical that he is, because if there's one thing the Democrats learned is that this constant assault on Donald Trump actually helps him get support. And originally, I think under Biden, they kind of wanted that. I think Biden was under the impression that Trump was the one guy he knew he could beat. I think that they tormented him because they thought it would make us on the right angry enough to put this dead weight into the running against the great Joe Biden and Joe Biden would

54:13cream him. I think that was the idea. But in fact, they can't stop themselves. They cannot stop themselves from doing this. They have convinced themselves that this guy is the devil incarnate. It doesn't matter what his policies are. It doesn't matter. The policies are basically center and center sometimes center right, sometimes center left. It doesn't matter. None of that matters. He is the fact that he stands up against these people and says the things they have told us we're not allowed to say is enough to drive them insane. They have to impeach him. Yeah, I mean, obviously, I think that's right. And here's the thing. I think a normal sane leadership would prevent that because it's a waste of time and probably doesn't hurt him at all. And what they really should be if I were leading the Democratic party and far be it for me to give them advice, I would be opening investigations and pretty much everybody involved with the various corrupt dealings that have been reported by the media. If you're a Democrat and you want to look for like a vein to hit, that would be the vein to hit going after Trump personally on impeachment levels really stupid. The problem is all it requires is one AOC putting forward an impeachment motion. And now every Democrat has to vote for it because if you're a Democrat who says no to that,

55:17then this means that you're now the enemy. So I think we are both on the side of he will be impeached and that right quick. I think within the first couple of months. All righty. So question number two, who will be the Republican presidential nominee right now? J.D. Vance obviously has a significant lead. Marco Rubio had been gaining on him. He is now trailing back down to 21% of the Calcity markets. Ron DeSantis is starting to climb just a little bit of 4.5% charting pretty low there. Okay, Drew, I'll let you have your take and that'll get my own. All right. Now I want to apologize if you can hear noise behind me. There's construction going on next door. I can't do anything about it. I'm going to make my prediction here. I think that Marco Rubio has a much bigger chance than the poll show. And I'll tell you why. I think if Trump stands back and he says, listen, I think you guys should both run. I think you should run and have it out and let the public choose between you instead of a 19 one of the other of them. I think Marco will win. I think Marco, if Marco has said he won't run against Vance, in which case I think Vance is the likely nominee, but I'm not sure that that's a really defensible position to take. Why should

56:19the public not get to choose between Rubio in Vance? Why should Rubio say, out of friendship, I'm not going to give the public that that choice. And I think maybe Wiserheads will prevail, maybe Trump will prevail by not endorsing one of them or not crowning one of them. Listen, I love Ron DeSantis. I think he's one of the best governors who ever existed in this country. From what I've seen, he doesn't have what it takes to run on a national level. That's a real shame because I think he'd make a great, great president. And I think he might make one of the great presidents of all time. I just haven't seen him with that political quality that he needs to win. But I suspect that Rubio has a better chance than we think because he may not actually stand down if Vance wins. I mean, so if Rubio were to run, I think that you're right that he would pose a serious threat to Vance. I really don't think that he's going to run. I've laid out the logic before as to why I don't think that he is going to run. If he runs against Vance and he loses, then basically he's done. If he runs against Vance and he wins, then he gets the poison chalice of 28, which is not going to be an easy race. If he doesn't run at all, there's a decent shot that

57:23Vance picks him as VP and then whether Vance wins or loses, he's in a good position. So from a sort of prisoner's dilemma point of view, I think it's unlikely that Rubio will run. With that said, I'd be very shocked if this is just a coronation. I think there are going to be a bunch of people who jump in. I think that Thomas Massey will likely jump in and try to threaten from these sort of isolationist anti-Semite right. I think that you are likely to see Ted Cruz jump in and try to run from the more traditionally hawkish position. I think there are a bunch of other senators who are going to run. There's been some rumors that Pete Higgs at the Secretary of War might try to jump into the race as well. So I don't think it's going to be quite the cakewalk core nation that other people are saying, particularly because I just don't think that the vice president has played his hand particularly well at this point. I think that he could have been making moves to sort of consolidate the party behind him. And I really think he's done a poor job of doing that. I think he's kind of left everybody more to satisfy than they were a year and a half ago. In fact, I'm not sure that you can name a part of the Republican coalition that is more satisfied with JD Vance now than they were when he was picked by president Trump back during the 2024 election. I think that the hawkish

58:25wing is less pleased with him. I think the isolationist wing is less pleased with him. I think that the big government wing is maybe slightly more pleased with him, but certainly the sort of small government wing is far less pleased with him. So I don't know. I mean, I think that it's a fractious coalition. Obviously, whoever is next has to be a thing. But I think the flaw for Vance's candidacy, and this has always been a problem for me is that if you follow the crowd, the crowd will tear you apart. That's not how this works. I mean, you at least have to get out there and march in a particular direction. Then turn around and see who's following you. You can't just kind of wait for the crowd that's milling about in the square to annoy you and lift you up on a shoulders. You know, I have to say, I hate to admit it, but I have to say your political logic on the Vance Rubio question is better than mine. I like your argument about that. If the future is logical, which always never is, but if the future is logical that you're probably, you're probably right about that. I think, but I also think you're right that they're going to be big surprises up ahead. They're always are. And I think this is not going to be an easy run for anybody. All right, final question here. How many pro football games will Taylor Swift attend this season?

59:30So people think that she's going to intend a lot. People think that at least eight, yes, at least nine, yes, people say at least 10. No, she's not going to go to 10 games. I understand this is a major betting market, or I understand this is a major prediction market. I'm not sure it's possible for me to care less about this question. I know how many football games Taylor Swift appears at that. That sounds like like your there's a tweet that's been going around. That's one of my favorite tweets of all time, where it's two celebrities breaking up. And somebody says this reads like, Zusha breaks up with Smushi atop the wrangle dude. And like, that's how this reads to me. Like, it's just gibberish. Why would I possibly care how many how many games Taylor Swift attends along with her new husband Travis Kelsey? I like what in the world, but Drew, you can have it. Well, I'm a big NFL fan. And when they started going out together, they cut to her so often that I was expecting to start to sing. I just I was screaming at the TV set. All right, I get it. Taylor

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