From Celebrity Agent to Recovery: Darren Prince’s Untold Story with Sean Callagy

Hoco and Magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier,

Pamela Anderson, David Goggins.

Chevy Chase.

The list goes on and on, and if this man

that was classified in special education

in the great state of New Jersey, if he could do it,

why can't you?

I felt like Superman.

I was on top of the world.

I felt just as smart, just as popular, just as good looking.

I never had this feeling to throw my life away.

And I found that I was taking liquid demoral.

I was just in sleep with him, 14 years old.

So 14 years old, you become a successful entrepreneur.

By 19, Darren print sells his first business for $1 million.

How'd you do that?

My dad sat me down.

He said words that changed my life forever

and gave me belief.

But I've noticed something with your playing with numbers.

That's mesmerizing that none can have.

And we're going to tap into that to become a success.

The homestead still on the legendary point.

That doesn't start fighting the bottom lip.

And he looks at Joe at the other end.

He could have scabrella.

But then Joe was smiling at that smirk.

That's when he just dropped it.

And he hit him and said, man, we just made a fact there.

Am I going to have to kick your ass again for a fourth bite?

Emma Homme literally starts spitting his food

at him with the laughing so hard.

I think Hulk was the one that humbled me

obviously down in Clearwater Beach.

And he looks at me.

It could sound much older, good brother.

These people still treat me like I'm

heavily champ of the world and that's a blessing.

I think authenticity and vulnerability

is truly a superpower.

You know, I'm only talking about getting to the top.

But never being fulfilled.

And you and I got to the top.

But we know how to be fulfilled.

We know it's not always about being at the top,

but getting others there.

Hey, Sean Cali here with the Unblinded Podcast,

where we help you see what you may not see,

but exponentially growing your money, time, your magic,

with heart and integrity.

And we have a miraculous master in the building today

and take Nicole Mello, who's here?

Imagine a world where legends are built

under the brightest light.

And then imagine the rarer figure.

The one those legends trust when the lights go out.

A kid from New Jersey didn't just dream of greatness.

He earned his way into the inner circles of icons,

Muhammad Ali, Magic Johnson, Hulk Hogan.

But here this clearly, he wasn't there as a fan.

He became the man they relied on, the man they trusted,

the man who stood beside greatness

as part of what sustained it.

Because while the world saw champions,

they saw Darren Prince.

And that distinction is everything.

Over $500 million deals.

Jackie representing some of the most iconic figures

on the planet and even invited to the White House

to help shape the conversation around the opioid crisis.

Because access like that isn't given.

It's earned through character, through trust,

through becoming the kind of man legends

to keep close.

And like every true icon, his path wasn't easy.

He faced adversity and he rose.

Today he is more than one of the most respected agents

in the world.

He is a leader in recovery, a voice of truth,

an author, and a force for good.

Because true greatness isn't who you stand next to,

it's who you become.

And how many lives are better because of it.

So welcome to the Sean Callaghan Blinded Podcast,

a man trusted by icons, respected as their peer,

the one the only Darren Prince.

Let's see if you're Darren Prince, ladies and gentlemen.

My brother, do you know that guy,

Darren Prince that we're talking about?

Like how does that feel to be that person?

If we have so much to cover today,

do you want to give a couple of headlines?

Like the power of identity and fame,

recovery, why people make choices they do

to feel better for you, value everywhere today

with an icon, working with icons.

But my brother, how does that feel to have that be you?

I mean, I'm always thinking as she was speaking probably,

you know, 18, 19 years before I got sober,

I would have really been a great ego boost.

But the more she kept talking,

it's just my gratitude towards God.

And the fact that in a humble me for the right reasons

because you know I'm always talking about getting to the top,

but never being fulfilled.

That there's a lot of people out there

that live in that frequency.

And you and I got to the top,

but we know how to be fulfilled.

We know it's not always about being at the top,

but getting others there, taking others to the journey

up the lights to be the best thing.

Amen, mother, how do you get forward?

Amen, my brother.

And for everybody, this is the first time you're listening.

Like, oh, like why a hype intro,

it's not a hype intro, it's the truth.

Because and this is like the perfect context

for Darren Prince today to appreciate and understand this.

The things, the wisdom, the advice that some people gave you,

maybe your grandmother grandfather,

maybe your mother father, maybe it's your child brother sister,

and uncle, it doesn't land the same way

as when it comes from people who've achieved things

that feel impossible or at least aspirational for you.

So these introductions are so you can understand

what these people have done,

but if Darren Prince stands for anything,

and I love your comments on this,

it is the distinction of humility and not false modesty.

He promotes some of the most impactful humans in the world

and he's one of those people himself.

And also he's a humble man,

but the humility doesn't change the fact

that he knows who Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier,

Hulk Hogan, David Goggins, Magic Johnson,

he understands and appreciates the doors,

their identity and accomplishments open.

So more to come on that topic for today,

but you're such a humble man,

and you've been through a ton of your life,

but what does humility mean to you?

And why do you believe it's so essentially a foundation?

Before you get to fame and impact and identity,

let's talk about humility and what does it mean to you Darren?

I mean, for me, I think it's everything.

I think when I fell on my knees,

on July 2nd, 2008,

screamed out to God to take the notoriety of the business,

the money that all I needed was a single day of freedom.

And if he takes me out of my own personal health

from my opioid addiction,

that I would go back into hell one day

to tell him he'd take others out.

And I think there was just a shift in me

in that very moment where the ego was crushed.

It goes, I think ego comes from a place of unresolved trauma

and a lot of us, I think ego comes from

a place of insecurity.

I think ego comes from a place of needing instant validation

for some unresolved wounds that we all have

where we're all killing our own wife.

And I think once you can get into a place of humility,

you're almost bulletproof of being immune to getting wrapped

into that.

Look at me, look at you.

Look at what I've accomplished.

I can't not have out that.

Well, so my brother, let's take it from the beginning quickly.

So 14 years old, you become a successful entrepreneur.

By 19, Darren print sells his first business

for $1 million.

Kid from New Jersey, and we're talking 19 late 80s.

My is that tracking, right?

Like the late 80s, a million dollars then

is a lot more than a million dollars today

and it's still being incredible accomplishment today.

But how, and we're going to put this to the prison

of the unblinded formula in a minute,

but in Darren, your words, how'd you do that?

Of course, hard work.

Of course, caring about people being good to people,

but you had to have some how to strategy involved.

And from your heart, how'd you do that?

I mean, my father was incredibly impactful

on my life back then.

And I had a moment with an intuitive business teacher

where giving a little bit more about my back story.

You know, he's in small classrooms growing up,

special ed, and had a live anxiety.

And most of my friends were in the bigger classroom.

So when I got home after school showing during the day,

it wasn't about homework.

It was about immersing myself into the database bookers.

That was almost like my therapy.

And I studied all the players, knew all the stats,

and after this intuitive business teacher challenged

us to go and create a business.

I had one in my mind.

I just never executed it.

Everything was in two boxes with prices

and what they were worth.

And my father challenged me and said,

well, April, who's going to buy these things?

And I had a newspaper ad in the West Pacific

for you that still exists and let me

extend about a car show that was happening two weeks.

Oddly enough, Steve and Simon, you know,

runs Prince Mark and Brooklyn is here with us.

He's known its engines, we were 10.

We decided to split a table for $10 each.

And I went in as if with that Sean Caligan,

I said, as if I was training for the Olympics.

He just wanted to come along and have fun.

So I spent two weeks every single day

and made over $1,000 on that Sunday afternoon.

And that was at the light bulb on him.

My dad said, my dad sat me down.

He said words that changed my life forever

and gave me belief.

He's like, I understand your friends most of them

think this way, their brains work with this way.

But I've noticed something with your playing with numbers.

That's mesmerizing that none of them have.

And we're going to tap into that too,

because you can become a success.

So your dad had an enormous impact.

He would later suggest that you write aiming high

when this whole becomes clear.

We'll get to that in a little bit.

So Darren, though, teachers, special ed classes,

how was that educational model?

Were there people putting limitations on you?

Did you feel limited in the traditional educational model?

Or did you have great support systems from the teachers

around you?

Like, what was that like in that educational model

before you had this breakout entrepreneurial success?

That one teacher that introduced a business teacher,

Elliot Lovie, to this day as a dear friend.

In fact, when my mother passed away,

in November of 24 in June, and your king came to her funeral,

the teacher was at the funeral, and he was sitting

like right behind me.

I remember specifically looking at when it did the eulogy.

And that's how much he impacted my life.

And tells me every time they see each other,

that there was a point where late teens

you wanted to become an agent.

And I said, somebody asked to do it.

And I said, now I'm not smart enough.

I don't think I could do it in that one.

Wow.

And what type of diagnoses were being thrown at you?

And how were you receiving them?

How was your family receiving them?

Like, what was the environment around you?

The words were cruel back then.

I mean, there was no social media,

but obviously the idiot, obviously the dumb one,

obviously the one that was verbally bullied.

I don't think they understood what ADD was,

attention to the surface of his throat,

because my father also noticed that

it was something I took interest in.

I excelled better than anybody else.

And when I look back at it,

it's not to get too much into it now,

but that sort of emotional abuse from teachers,

not getting the support from friends,

and the teachers' eyes doing it in a small classroom

making me feel less than everybody else.

That's why drugs came into play.

I think it's your whole.

And so because Darren, the value of this I would hope for some

is maybe there's a 15, a 20, a 25, a 30, a 35, a 40,

a 45, a 50, a 55, a 60.

And if you're any of those ages or in your 70s,

and you're sitting here, and you've never come to grips

with some of the trauma of classification, bullying,

framing, this man did.

And he created arguably the greatest reunion

in sports history or American sports history,

one of the greatest unions in just cultural history.

And this man had many of those things

that you've been told about yourself by teachers,

by friends, maybe even your family.

And Darren, what would you say to anybody

from 15 to 75 who had some of those same traumas

about their ability to get to a remarkable place?

And not just to move through addiction,

but to actually achieve impact and success in the world, please.

Yeah, I think it's never too late to change your present

and change your future.

You know, we're not what our past is,

whether it was a teacher, a mother, father, sister,

brother, relationship, job, career, whatever it could have been.

There's only so much that, you know,

if you could stare at the past,

I would say like yesterday's history,

Mars and mystery, today's the present,

why would you call it a gift?

And it's the ones that go deep into that, you know,

healing of meditation and mindset work

and not pointing fingers, just booning the situation

and leaving it exactly where it is,

becoming a higher self.

And if you, you know, an entitled aiming high

and obviously there's a number of different ways

you're referring to that,

what would you say is a mindset principle foundationally

for the people listening out there

that I've had those challenges

and maybe in people who haven't,

if you had one mindset sentence to give to people,

if you could like, install it inside of them,

what would that be?

One mindset sentence, I am enough.

Well, I think that's where, you know,

most people doubt themselves.

They don't know if they can do it.

They feel of a prisoner of the past

and I think just constantly repeating to yourself,

you are not and words of affirmation

are very, very powerful.

Yeah.

And I thank you for everybody.

I have a personal relationship with Darren.

We do a lot together.

I don't easily use the word friend.

I call Darren a friend.

I love him as beautiful Beyonce

and the impact and the world this man creates

and the very podcast you're watching

has been consistently now ranked number one,

number two, in Apple Business Podcast,

it would never be here without a couple of people,

but Darren Prince is one of those folks.

We've had Magic Johnson on this podcast, Charlie Sheen

or Ralph Machio, many others that are associative

this man and many more to come

and massive, massive gratitude.

So I just want to thank you on a personal level, Darren,

for everything you've done to make this what it is

and the impact you've had on my life

because while I've had the blessing and privilege

of never struggling with drugs or alcohol substances,

you do feel like, wait, who might I be interviewing?

Magic Johnson, who might I be sitting down now

with Ralph Machio, the karate kid?

So we all have that struggle and challenge

and I couldn't agree more with this brother.

You are enough, Darren's enough, I'm enough or all enough

and we all struggle with that challenge

including some of these iconic memes

that we've shared a moment ago.

But first, let's step into this journey

that at some point, a desire to feel better

comes into your life.

We all have that desire, we all want to feel better

and what were some of the choices you were making

that were positive in ways to feel better?

I'm sure Entrepreneurship was one of them

and some of the ways that negative choices

of how to feel better came into your life, Darren.

Well, to double that story with drugs especially opiate

because opiates become a superpower at a certain point

or at a laminate feels so free and so unstoppable

and so confident, certain environments.

But then when I'd be home at night

or I'd do a long trip or in my home,

wherever I might have been by myself in my own head,

I was back into a prison that I had no idea

how he was going to escape this cycle.

I tell people off in Sean, I wasn't a bad person,

I was a sick person, but we were trying to get better.

There was never any ill will or evil to me

even when opportunities would come my way,

I always practiced but magic and my dad

told me about paying it forward

and blessing our videos.

I just had a lot of stuff that I had a work

to I got there.

And where's the beginning?

What was the first choice that took you down that path?

So it would have been July 1, 2008

and again, I'm gonna mention the speed

because he was there.

You know what I mean, going down the path of addiction

or addiction in the first world, or even using, like how, yeah.

So as far as the using, I was just in sleep awake camp,

14 years old, terrible stomach pains one night

and the countial, it took me to see the nurse.

I took this corine cloth syrup type of liquid

and it tasted terrible.

I'm within five minutes, every anatic was seawater like,

I'm welcome back to the bronca felix superman.

I was on top of the world.

I felt just as smart, just as popular,

just as good looking.

I'm now the talkative one at the bunk.

All the guys were laughing with me.

I started learning with the girls in the bunk next week.

I never had this feeling good for my life short.

So I woke up the next day

did all the active use of sleep awake camp

and I learned how to lie and con.

And at very next night, I healed over in the bunk

because I wanted the countial to take me to the infirmary.

So I went on for three weeks until my mom

and dad came out for visitation day.

And I found that I was taking a liquid demoral.

So for everyone out there,

I wanted to stare in this next,

but we can choose different ways

to feel better and feel worse.

And we all want to feel more confident.

We all want to feel more included.

We all want to feel stronger and more powerful,

more loving, more abundant, more generous.

And we're adhering to me, Darren.

And I've never done a drug in my life.

I thank God for the blessing of that.

But what I'm hearing is the great challenge is

people don't know how to get that.

And it's so accessible in the beginning

through substances.

I'm adhering that correctly.

Absolutely.

I want to represent it.

And now more than ever.

And so for folks that if you can go back and talk to a 14 year old,

or talk to your 14 year old self,

not just saying, hey, say no to drugs like Nancy Reagan style,

but if we're sitting there,

we do want those positive feelings.

What would you suggest to people?

Would be that pathway?

And what do you do now to feel better instead?

I think it just needs to be more of an open conversation.

I've definitely noticed some influencers

and some prominent famous people talking about their own struggles.

I think authenticity and vulnerability

is truly a superpower.

And I look at what it's done for me and the amount of people

I've been in a bit of hell.

I also think a quick picture of a lot of people

when we're stuck in our own head,

and it's a vibration and frequency

when I live by is I think the more we serve other people.

I think the more we get out of our own head

and help lift other people up, help other organizations,

you know, just get out of that noise between our two ears.

It's a phenomenal fix to build up real self-esteem,

real self worth, real self love, peace and fulfillment.

And I think we might share another really bizarre

behavior that could be helpful for people.

And if I'm wrong, just please tell me I'm wrong.

But do I remember hearing that you

were at this incredible mansion party out in the Hamptons

and you might have disappeared under a table to do something?

Am I remembering this correctly?

Yeah.

And what was that something?

So was that with my ammo experience?

Yes.

Yeah, I just, I mean, you know, I was just

out of my mind, just the behavior of what was going on.

I was, you know, I think I was on steroids

and all jacked off then.

And I always wanted to entertain the detention on me.

And I took my shirt off and store to push up

and entertain people.

And I mean, but there was so many experiences like that.

You know, and I laugh at some of my guy friends now,

you remember all the great night of your lives.

But anybody that's here recording and production team,

when we talk about the best nights of our lives

in that moment, that next day you wake up

with your friends or whatever your crew was.

You don't remember any of this greatest night of your lives.

You cannot secure and tell me,

I remember the top five.

So do you still do pushups?

Do you start putting pushups?

I do.

But not, not publicly.

I didn't think you were in front of thousands.

Taking your shirt off.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So how, so this is so fascinating to me

because when people ask me like, why don't you drink?

Why don't you do drugs?

And like, wow, you must be really disciplined.

I'm like, no, no, I just hate feeling bad.

And so I'm very present to what's going to happen afterwards.

And I just don't like that feeling.

I really despise it.

And I love the feeling and I did this before.

We got together today.

I did ellipticals, I did pushups.

I'm six sets in of pushups today,

not to feel cool and to look cool, but to feel better.

So if I can ask, doing pushups,

putting endorphins in your body for those that really

have some challenges with substances

or for those that I just drink a lot of coffee

or smoke a whole bunch, how does that feel comparatively?

And I'm sure it's not the same thing as, you know,

I don't think they give me the crack,

but in opioid there's a certain incredible high you can get.

But how might the putting endorphins into one's body

be able to be, it's certainly more effective later?

But how about just even the short run

for feeling better, how close can you get

by putting endorphins in your body

to some of those feelings of confidence

and strength and love and fun and humor and thoughts?

It's super important.

I mean, not just in your detox phase.

I had to make sure I was hitting a gym twice a day

during the detox phase on top of my 12 step spiritual meetings.

But to this day, Sean, I mean,

I'm seven, you can have your sober

and I'm in the gym six days a week, I'm jumping rope,

when I can't make it to the gym, I'm doing body weight swatch,

push ups, sit ups, you know, whatever it is that I need to do.

I think in general,

anybody that's struggling with anything,

mental health wise, depression, substance abuse,

what it does for your serenity and dopamine levels,

it's the greatest natural drug in the world.

Yeah, I agree, and I'll just shed this from my heart

to anybody out there.

I, Darren, we're up to a lot of things in the world

as many of you are listening

and some of you have even more present struggles of paying the rent

or paying the mortgage and meeting payroll for your business.

And what I'll share from my heart around this is

when I put endorphins in my body 12 times a day, micro dosing,

just get on the ground to push up.

So I'll be in my office not to make a public spectacle out of it.

In fact, I don't want to do that at all as Darren was saying.

But how that feels when I'm done,

I feel like I just took drugs.

I've never taken drugs, but I feel like I'm high.

High that doesn't have any negative side effects.

So I really give you that.

That's part of how this man stays as healthy as strong,

as abundant, as masterful as he does.

And that could be very practical.

Do that today 12 times.

There you go, wait, what, what?

Yeah, just like after every phone call once an hour,

drop on the ground, do a set of push ups for 60 seconds,

do some body weight squats as Darren said,

do some crunches and see how that feels.

A line brother?

100% you could totally shift your brain frequency patterns,

just with a consistent daily routine of doing that.

Even after a week or so,

then it knows that your brain will actually start craving.

Yeah, I feel like I feel addicted.

And when I don't do that, I feel bad.

And I feel myself reaching for something.

And for me, it might be sugar,

while I'll be reaching for more sugar.

And when I put, yeah, I'll put the endorphins in my body.

And I just feel so much better.

So practical takeaway.

Now, here you are.

You sell your business for a million dollars.

You are, how did that feel when you sold the business

for a million?

Where were substances in your world at 19?

Like, what was life like at that moment?

It felt like almost that it was a long time coming

because at that point, I was building for five years

and I knew I wanted to make a transition

out of the cloud industry into,

I really had my direction

because I was noticing all these legendary athletes

signing autographs of trade shows

so under the dabble into that.

So it was more just an excitement

and reinvesting that money into growing

and building something else.

Very cool.

And were substances yet tipping into a problem at 19?

They were, but I was highly functioning at that point.

There wasn't really any ramifications.

I would say probably to about 20 women,

I was arrested four times in six months.

And that was for possession.

Is that a trick?

Yeah.

So not a shell, because I didn't need to sell.

It was making plenty of money.

It was to use it for my friends.

I thought I was the cool kid.

That was buying all the drugs for everybody.

And for me, like, we could go down that road

for an hour and just tell stories

and I don't really see value.

So the bottom line is that the Darren Prince

went through an extraordinary journey

starting at 14 years old in substances

and had challenges all the way through to 2008

and will come to that in a second.

But as you're highly functioning

and on the successful side of what's happening

in business, how do you begin to build relationships

with massive people by identity?

You might call it fame, in my language

to say identity in the world.

You create these unbelievable relationships.

What was that journey?

So the first one I went after was for a mutual friend.

I knew my friend, I knew we'd gone in Portland

when it was Muhammad Ali, me and Eugid.

So he was the first guy I contacted start doing

with and for and fucking body grass

tonics from Muhammad Ali.

So I went right to from there, I'm magic.

You didn't start small.

The most wrecking the eyes of the world,

actually in the history of the world, right?

So then from there I got introduced to magic

and went to Chevy Chase and then Pamela Anderson

and smoking Joe Frazier.

And so that's how the business started

out the first few years.

So I developed relationships with them

from a business that had nothing to do with sports

and entertainment marketing.

It was basically booking them in certain autographs

signing of appearances.

Got it.

And so you would bring them into an environment

with these set events or you would.

It was either events or they would go

to a hotel conference room for a few hours and so on.

And you would browse into front items.

And you would be promoting that yourself?

Exactly.

Exactly.

And why did they say yes to you?

I mean weren't there other people seeking that yes from them

and to do that?

So because I want everybody to realize this now and it,

it's not that easy to just call up

Muhammad at least people and have them say yes.

What was it you think about you

that made people comfortable with these icons

to say yes to you at such a young age?

Well number one, I mean I felt like that

with a lot of the way he wanted me to behave

and act around that and make an order

about the person and the business.

He always said that's the biggest mistaken business.

Too many people don't care about the sales

and the contacts and the dollars

when we should be caring about the person.

And I also think in a way,

not to pat myself too much on the back

but I think I was some of the visionary

for that market taking off back in the early 90s.

I timed it so well that it gave me such recognition

for being aligned with these people.

There was no internet back then.

It was all done by fax machines marketing

and running ads in a magazine called

Sports Collectors Digest.

So what I do is I'd run photos of all the signings

and I think it put me so far past everybody that they just said,

oh well we got to go down and print for this person

and that person and this one's gonna do a signing

and not to kind of how it all happened.

Wow.

And so for everybody out there,

a foundational principle of unwinded

and this podcast is that influence

is the only human attainable superpower.

And what you're hearing from Darren Prince

is that thanks to his dad and the innovations

that followed him along his journey,

this man became a master of influence.

And interestingly, and I think a master of integrity influence

because from my experience

and how you built your relationship with these people,

is you did what you said you were going to do.

And it went the way you said it was gonna go.

Am I hearing you carefully, Darren?

Yeah.

Until I was 25 and then I had a little bit of a setback.

And that setback was?

So I was selling for another contact Michael Jordan

was one of the other biggest athletes in the world,

some authenticated Michael Jordan product.

And this forensic document expert that was retired

from the FBI was being praised as the guru of authentication.

I know you have collectors that watch the version of PSA,

there was no back at that then.

And after about a year or so of selling it,

I'm getting invested in about the FBI.

And I went from this 19 year old kid on top

of the world more or less losing everything.

But you talk about relationships.

At the time of the sentence I got a felony charge

for making a false statement to the FBI

during the interview, never went to prison.

Magic, Chepis, Muhammad Ali and Lonnie Ali,

all wrote letters to the judge on my character.

And I wound up getting probation.

But I had a rebuild.

And that's where I have two more unbelievable stories

with my dad and minister can now that happen.

I was in a fly fishing trip with my dad.

The last, we're going into my name,

we're going to tell Ask Aver So Pist that I spent.

See, the last $3,000 after you sold

card money for $1,000,000.

It's all 1996.

And you've had all these massive celebrities.

Now you're down to your last words.

So this is another moment where we talk about ring and benching.

Like your past make you better, not better.

Have the vision for what you want to do.

And we're on this beautiful stream.

And my dad said to me, what's my next move?

And I said, you know that I want to be an agent

but I don't have eight years to go to law school.

They dropped the fishing pool and says law school.

It goes like this about who you know now,

like any lawyer would kill to have a relationship with that.

You can go to Joe Montana's house.

You can go to Berrien Springs and see Muhammad.

You can go to Mahal and drive and, you know, Beverly Hills

and see Pam and Tommy are magic and Beverly old.

So he goes, what I would do is the next time you see magic

tell him your vision.

The Sean, we story up to talk about it before.

The three weeks later, I'm with magic in Michigan.

We had a corporate event.

I go into the hotel room, so tell sweet.

And if he was here, he would have peeped the exact same

words it's 30 years ago.

And I told him my vision, he said, you're a good dude.

You made a mistake.

I made a mistake.

This was four years after his HIV Announcement.

And he goes and I love your family.

Who do you want to start with as your first client?

And it was one of those moments.

I'm literally a 26 year old kid.

I got one shot to ask him, my heart's palpitating,

my answer is bloody.

And I got up the nerve and I go,

I have a love it to be you, Irvin.

I call him, I just don't answer.

And he goes, OK, he goes, I'm going to give you two years

to represent me.

But if you don't use been an act down every door to bring

into all the celebrities you can, I'm

going to fight for the two years or off.

Because I like Darren.

It's not, he said, I'm going to become a success they've

never seen before in the world that supports entertainment.

The best forward is a knowing dollar brand.

Because it's not how successful I become.

It's how successful I make you and everybody else

around me.

So when you get there, it's your turn to bless other people.

And Prince Mark and a cruise board after that.

And everything changed.

I went to every single client and said, magic something on it.

The super power of yes.

That's what happened.

He had the heart to do it, of course,

but the mastery, the grace, the humility,

the rapport with Magic Johnson.

And he caused yes.

And then once he had Magic Johnson,

he had the opportunity.

It's still not easy.

You could know incredibly famous people.

I have nothing happen.

Many people know famous people and nothing happens.

What Darren Prince became incredibly master flat

and you can too is once you build a relationship

with the right person, it doesn't have to be a famous

celebrity in the world.

If you're an attorney in account of financial service

provider, a local realtor, you're

trying to get your coaching, business, and moving

anything.

Who is ecosystem famous in your world?

Maybe it's a local attorney in account

in a financial service provider.

If you're an accountant attorney, if you're an attorney,

it's a financial service provider.

Who is it in your world that you're a Magic Johnson?

Back to you brothers.

So much you had magic.

What happened from there?

I never hired a publicist before I did.

It basically wound up in all of our trade papers

and the trade magazines that he signed with us.

It made it so much easier for me than to go

to all the other celebrities that we were.

But can I have signings from like luck?

We're starting to a lot more picker things than we're

starting to speak engagements and license

and deals and commercials and all sorts of different

branding opportunities.

But it's like you said, no one, these people,

is one thing.

My dad would always come on the same thing.

He goes having them as friends and associates are good

there.

But can you actually put real projects together for them?

Can you bring real opportunities?

Because now you get the benefit of both.

You can be in business together with your dear friends

at the same time.

And it took a little bit, but once I found that sweet spot,

I would say within like six to eight months.

It's kind of like we never look back.

I mean, I think relationship capital has been sort of

a strength before I even knew that was the term.

My dad was like I said, if match up with the New York City,

always make sure that you have food coming to his hotel

sweet from his favorite restaurant or bring him

to his favorite restaurant and make sure the bathroom

is blocked off so we can go there and peace and silence

and enjoy himself.

And every time Joe Frage was in town,

Mahama was in town with his wife, Lonnie,

bring a certain food to the Essex house

whenever hotel he was at.

And I think that really created a foundation

showing to show that I was different.

Find out about their birthday, their family, their likes,

their dislikes, their hobbies.

Where the business part was important to a jewelry,

but it wasn't a priority.

And my experience with this man Darren Prince

and something for you to really consider

as you experienced this is truly loving people.

So what you could mistake what you're hearing from Darren

to say is he'd do a lot of nice things

that seem like you care.

No, no, that's not what Darren's saying.

This man cares.

He loves these people.

When Hulk Hogan recently passed away,

Darren was devastated.

Like I heard it, felt it, saw it.

As he, when he speaks of Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali,

these icons who no longer with us,

the resonating power of love

come from his heart and soul of these people is genuine.

So what if the great opportunity Darren

for folks out there is to find a way to truly love people?

And how have you done that?

Because that is very present for me

that you're such a loving soul.

Was it always that way?

Look, when you were 14, 15, 16, 17, did you love people?

What did you learn to love people?

I think I picked up on my dad's philosophy,

but I also think I did it for a large part of my life

to be accepted out of insecurities

and wanting to be validated.

And then eventually I started my spiritual sober journey

seven and a half years ago.

It was coming from a different place.

It was coming from a place of,

I can do this, I can provide.

I am worthy of the world that I'm in the respect that I have.

Now let me bless and put smile on other people's faces

where there's absolutely no offense, action,

whatsoever, and think back to two of our things.

The Sugar Ray Liner dinner is completely on the land.

And you said somewhere it's maybe

which I'm not going to announce on the podcast.

Could some us a little bit of a curse for it?

That was like, you're a sick mother

at the end of your life.

You're like, when I told you that

Sugar Ray Liner is coming to dinner

and your favorite place that's Steve

so raciously and beautifully coordinated for that event.

I mean, it was unbelievable.

We're flaring a couple of weeks ago.

That's what when I caught him, the peacetime.

Here's the great advice I got from Rick Flair.

Rick Flair, he said, now listen, I'm divorced four times.

He was I'm divorced four times.

This is I'm like hearing from nature boy.

Thanks to the darren, friends of the phone call,

I'm sitting by the fire in my home,

like watching a movie with my daughter

who's four and a half years old.

And he's like, here's the advice.

Now I'm divorced four times

so you can take it from where it comes.

He goes, but ask for forgiveness, not permission.

Forget on airplane to come on down

and hang out with me and barren.

So yeah, stay.

Anytime you and your crowbar down in Tampa, it's done.

But yeah, moments like that.

That gets me so much more excited.

Business is spawning greatly, it wouldn't, it's nice.

But you gotta, the money only means so much at a certain point.

It's how many people are getting blush from experiences.

We saw from your event in October,

how many people just lay up from who you had there because

you were blessed to have been a pride,

provide value for your audience,

for your keen for these people

that are looking for that shot in the arm

that ever it might be to reship and repivot,

their belief system itself and business

and whatever it might be.

And you understand that you can't put a price on that.

It feels just, let's get forward.

Yeah, and so now, from that place of euphoria,

from identity, let's talk about identity

so it lands for people, not emotionally,

but intelligently, intellectually, strategically,

with integrity.

Muhammad Ali, the most iconic athlete in history.

And you can't be Muhammad Ali,

unless you have other icons that you are embroiled with.

Joe Frazier is one of those folks.

And Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier,

two of the greatest athletes and champions

in the history of American sport and certainly in boxing,

and they have this incredible rivalry.

They're on two different sides of the world.

Joe Frazier is representative of the right,

Muhammad Ali of the left.

Did it choose that?

It's how it broke out.

Joe Frazier is this American, for the American patriot

and Muhammad Ali becomes the progressive civil rights movement

and change in disruption and anti-war movement.

All of these things are going on.

Muhammad Ali doesn't go in the draft, 1971.

They have this iconic fight.

My dad was there, by the way,

in 1971, Madison Square Road, yeah.

I was one, and Darren, I was one of the same year,

just out of a fun fact few weeks apart.

And so all this is going on.

And as their rivalry builds,

Muhammad Ali is an incredible communicator,

starts to move in directions that would be very painful

or are very painful or very disrespectful.

And those that love him find it to be humorous

as we often do for the people we love.

And for those that don't like him,

he's a monster, a devil, right?

So this creates this massive rift

in this greatest arguably the greatest sports rivalry

in American history.

And certainly I believe in history boxing.

And this is this rift that's there.

They have three fights.

Joe Frazier beats Muhammad Ali the first time.

Muhammad comes back and beats him the next two times.

And it is the foundation of Muhammad Ali's career

and Joe Frazier's career.

Now, Darren gets to know these fine folks

a little bit later down the line.

And there is a tremendous size make rift

that exists between the two of them

and can you pick it up from there

and you're rowing all the further.

So we tried many a times to get them together.

Lonnie Ali and Muhammad graciously offered

to fly me Joe and his son, Marvis Hal,

to the Ali premiere, where Will Smith started in Ali

as Ali and they wanted us to ride in

Muhammad's and limo to the Hollywood premiere.

Joe didn't want to do it.

That's when I realized how deep the emotional wounds were.

And Joe just said, Prince the LMM doing something with them

is because they on my turf in Philly.

So it's about a year and a half to years later

I got a call from Harlan.

I talked to my co-friend that ran Ali's game

that Lonnie wanted to call me.

That Muhammad didn't have with her

for the NBA all start weekend in Philly.

And they would love Joe and you and Marvis

to come by their hotel suite that night for dinner.

So I'm now like shaking.

Like I can't even believe this opportunity

to come and spend February of 2002.

And I called Joe up and without adding

and I know Delay, no pause because I call up Marvis.

Let's do it.

It'll be good to say him tonight.

So the second part of that, Sean,

is I'm still in active addiction.

So I can't even believe this has happened.

So I have to go back to the hotel.

I'm a tight-pitched freestream.

So Darren Prince is about to be the orchestrator

of a reunion of the greatest friction

in the history of sports

between two of the most iconic athletes in history.

About you.

And instead of perfect.

So I'm back in the hotel and Marvis and Joe

were heading over to get me

because then we had to go to Ali's hotel

and my best thinkin was that I just,

how am I even worthy of the situation right now?

And the only thing I could think of when it was to get high

because you're sitting there talking to me.

So many people are in awe of the situation.

So many people cannot believe it happened.

There's photos, there's videos, there's documentaries.

You see me with these two games.

Anyway, I made the best of it.

And we go to Muhammad's suite

and Lonnie opens up the door

and I'm out of my mind.

Like I cannot believe it's just finally here.

And Joe walks over to Muhammad is on the couch

and it was a little bit loaded

and overweight at that time in his life

from not found the proper diet

and the Parkinson's medication.

But some moments I remember

was Joe kind of lifted Ali up

and Muhammad kind of fell on Joe's shoulder

as Joe locked in his back like

and literally just had tears in his eyes Ali

as he was on Joe's shoulder hug and I'm in.

Lonnie looked at all of us and said,

Muhammad really just found real peace.

Thank you for coming.

Thank you for coming.

And then we sat at this huge dining room table

and at dinner and Muhammad starts

doing the legendary point.

That starts biting the bottom whip

and he looks at Joe at the other end.

He goes, go roll up.

You gotta go back to,

because we gotta go back to Manila

and Joe drops his fork and knife in his food.

He goes, man, we just made up back there.

I'm gonna have to kick your ass again for a fourth fight

and I'm like, there's no way I'm watching this right now.

So it was unbelievable to just see that they

just could not help themselves.

It was just in the fabric of their DNA

because here's a private moment with sick ass

in a hotel suite and it was still going.

Now quickly,

because we can get into the next subject

when it's going to come up.

No, please, please.

NBA surprised us the next day.

Joe and I were planning on going with my boy,

Nicky C to the All-Star team

and the NBA called and said,

we understand Joe and Muhammad got together last night.

Of course, I denied it.

I go, now I said, we were just, you know,

Joe and I just had a relax and they said, okay,

we're asking because we'd love to put Joe in your Muhammad.

Someone in your Muhammad at the game today.

So an NBA All-Star game is the store of all stores.

I mean, it's like next level,

especially out of all the All-Star.

Yes.

And so we get there and we have to see three, four,

and five center court within 15 minutes.

I'll start hearing that chant.

I'll lay, I'll lay, I'll lay.

I look to my right, coming out of the tunnel

with security as Muhammad and his best friend,

Albert Bingham, the fame photographer,

obviously neither are, are, are longer here.

And Muhammad sits in seat two and Howard's in seat one.

Now, my new Sean, center court is Howard.

To his left is Ali.

Right next to Ali is me and next to me is Joe.

I've never been telling.

I have never been so uncomfortable.

Who is that guy?

Who is that guy?

I have never been so uncomfortable

and felt socially awkward in my life

that I'm like, how do I get Joe to switch?

Rick and C-foot meet right now.

He starts elbowing me with his big strong arm

and he leans over and he goes, boss man.

So it's me, stick with me.

I said, yeah, boss, he goes, switch with me.

And I said, I'd be honored.

And I got up, I'm not good at Joe's left.

Joe sits down next to Ali.

They're holding hands.

Ali Shaqqi comes out to sing America the Beautiful.

The place goes ballistic.

I mean, the entire arena was standing up

applauding what was going on with Joe Muhammad.

So that was, that was just the special.

Having Elton John look at them during halftime and Kobe

and Michael and Iverson.

Like everybody knew what was happening.

This was a piece of history at the MBI also again.

That is unbelievable.

And to think that just to go back half a step for a moment

that part of the deep riff, the pain, the rage that existed,

was Muhammad Ali saying these things

about him beating the gorilla in the thrill of a minilla,

which is obviously racially derogatory attack

on Joe Frazier.

And then he says it at the table.

So that is absolutely nuts.

And then what Joe Frazier have been saying in response

because this is such a hangover time.

He's like, yeah, look at Muhammad Ali making fun

of his meant Parkinson's conditions.

And who do you think won those fights now?

And they say, look at him look at the one all three.

Yeah, like all of this conversation.

And then it's happening at the table.

And the next day they're sitting back together.

So when that went, Muhammad Ali was saying that,

what were you feeling at the table?

Like were you, well, I know you had substance

but was there any part of like,

this is going to completely devolve?

Like what was that?

No, I actually got nervous for a second.

I was like, damn, they just made up.

And Joe's putting his fork

in his knife back in his plate.

I'm like, I hope he's not going to get up and walk over.

But then Joe was like smiling at that smirk.

That's when he just dropped it.

And he hit him and, man, we just made up back there.

Am I going to have to kick your ass again for a fourth fight?

And Muhammad literally starts spitting his food

and he was lapping so hard.

He was like this.

And it was a beautiful moment.

Just like, like I said, they just couldn't help themselves.

That's who they were.

Ali Ali Ali.

As he's walking in, walking down with Hulk Hogan

or Joe Frazier or Pamela Anderson.

Can you explain to people as slowly and methodically

as is appropriate, the power of identity, the power of fame?

So people can truly appreciate what happens

and what you'd experienced traveling with these people.

Yeah, I mean, I've been blessed, you know,

be with the kings, the kings, their queens of queens.

And I mean, I've had De Niro, Pacino, Trump, Lyme, Richie,

Denzel, Washington at dinner with Joe and I.

I mean, I mean, Alaska's Spielberg, literally

in awe at a march for our lives event in Washington.

You see that my friends, Scooter Braun, coordinated,

maybe 2018, 2019.

The biggest, you know, athletes and celebrities,

just Joe Frazier walks into a room, man.

And it's, it's no regal of another level.

It's a different, it's a different association,

Bono, Bon Jovi at the MTV VMAs.

I've seen it like they are like little kids.

It's a Beyonce had a magazine cover party.

Forgot the magazine, my friend Jason Bin, sent a car

and Beyonce and her dad wanted to be Joe.

Joe came up to Philadelphia.

It's something so different, especially when you go back

to that generation, Sean.

I'm not saying there's a certain athletes

that haven't had at the best 20 years,

but they were different.

They were like, they affected the world politically.

They enum were stopped at the Night of March,

April, 1971, certified in this entry.

You know, they had such power.

That was Ali Frazier won.

They had such power.

Their boys, what they stood for, long before social media,

long before the internet.

They had this level of global fame

that they're not sending out tweets

to build up their image.

So what happened is, you know,

generationally, you know,

the grandfather taught it to the uncle,

the uncle taught it to the father,

the father taught it to the son,

and Hulk Hulk and was that way to Hulk Hulk and transform

at least 30 and 40 different generations.

I think when I look at like magic,

the dream team really took him to a level

that the dream team is so infallibility and impactful.

Let's go Hulk Hogan for a second.

WrestleMania, they call it WrestleMania,

not WrestleMania one.

I was there at Madison Square Garden.

This man gave an unbelievable autograph poster

from WrestleMania to my dad.

We'll get to my dad and Dwight Good

and Mookie Wilson in a couple of minutes.

And being there and just Hulk Hogan coming out

in the place going nuts, right?

People literally lose their mind like Elvis Presley

taking the stage Ed Sullivan.

When you have that, when you're walking off Hulk Hogan

and people there, lawyers, accountants,

financial service providers, doctors,

what you mentioned, feeling some of these iconic celebrities

looking at Joe Frazier, like a little kid

looking up at Joe Frazier, what's it like?

Where people, how would you describe

how disrupted people become

in the presence of a Hulk Hogan

or in the presence of some of these others?

What is it like as people are modding him for autographs

and adult professionals and successful people?

How would you describe what happens to people?

I mean, I think over the years,

I've just come to accept it more.

Early on, it was like excitement,

but it's also a lot of a job to do with their security

to make sure they get in and out

whatever situation might be safely.

But I think Hulk was the one that humboldly obvious

down in Clearwater Beach, where he spent the last

20, 25 years of his life, Florida,

and me and a couple of my boys went the same,

went for sushi for lunch,

and Hulk is my valet ticket.

It was brother to me favorite,

because can you just go have them pull up the course

who can get out of here and I turn around,

I'm not kidding, Sean, there's 50 people behind us,

just wait, they could tell.

The bandana's on, the cut right shirt from behind,

the blonde hair, they know it's him.

And so, I look at all these people,

this is gonna be like a half hour from ticket ad here,

I go get the car, I'm waiting in the parking lot

for a half hour with the valet guy,

he comes out, he goes, brother, it's going on.

You know, click something bad, I'm like, you know what,

I call him Terry, but it's real I'm like Terry,

we finally get away from the craziness of the traveling,

and all the fans and, you know, the Hulk of Mania craziness,

just to kind of get a lunch with you.

And while this is still happening,

and he looks at me, he puts so much older, good brother,

these people still treat me like I'm heavily champ

of the world and that's a blessing,

because let me tell you something, we might be friends,

but when it builds good friends as well,

because you wouldn't be calling with all these business

operatives, these fans disappeared.

And that made me never say another word about it,

because he understood it, he understood the power

of, you know, being there for their fans,

like bad none of them or who they are,

without the love and support of that.

And while this may resonate so powerfully, emotionally,

let's also think about it, we live as people

in a hierarchical world.

And I'm not talking about the way we wish the world would be,

but it is.

So if you build a relationship with the president

of an association, this is how I built my entire business

originally, I had the president of the Northern New Jersey

Chiropractic Society, you know, 29 years ago,

bring me in the speak.

And once that person said, hey, Sean's okay,

then everybody else said, he said, Sean's okay,

so Sean's a great masterful what he does,

like it changes everything.

And that's, that's the power of identity.

And so if you're entertained by this,

you're enjoying this.

I mean, I would love to talk to Darren all day all night

about these stories, but what I hope is there for you,

at least some of you, is to take this away and realize

that you too can be a Darren Prince,

and you could build relationships with people

with identity in certain ecosystems.

Maybe it's a medical society,

legal society, accounting society, whatever it is,

that's going to transform what you do.

And maybe for something out there,

you want to be calling Darren Prince and saying,

hey, can I bring some of these people?

Because I assure you, when you start bringing people,

like Darren's got to bring to your situations,

and that's not an easy thing to do, right?

This is not just about money.

It's like, this has got to be the right situation,

the right people, the right situation

with the right people of integrity,

but the power of bringing celebrity identity

is game changing all day, every day.

So from that place, brother,

how do you leave the world of addiction?

So you have these iconic moments, you struggle

to feel them, experience them as deeply

and meaningful as you want.

This is Darren's book, Aiming High.

You want to read a heartwarming,

soul-touching, entertaining as heck,

story of a journey into the power of celebrity.

Aiming high is there for you,

and if you want to a pathway out

of some of the challenge you're having, it's there for you.

But, and I know how and why,

and I've read the book multiple times now,

but Aiming High, 2008, you finally have had enough,

and please share with people that powerful moment

that may serve some folks out there

or prevent them from moving down that same path.

My late uncle still was beating a woman

and for at the time, and I don't know,

I just connect with her and Steve,

who's sitting here, you know, was there to wait to sit

and I was just ready.

I mean, she started asking me all these questions,

and I told her I was sick and tired,

and I was just gone, and she pulled a coin at her pocket,

to talk about GNC's, as I call them,

God-managed coincidence.

She just celebrated five years sober,

and she said, I could help you.

So she put me on the detox plan,

and the next day, which the I second 2008,

and I went into my apartment bathroom at the time

that I was living with my, my then wife,

and thought I was taking like a non-narcotic anxiety pill,

and two-fighting skim-out, which is one of the three opiates.

And I thought it's what I needed, Sean,

but I had, first on my light, a light-light moment.

You know, I thought of my knees,

and I screamed that I'd take the money,

take the business, take the notoriety.

He could give me a single day of freedom,

I'll go and go back and tell one day

that it's time to take other people's out,

other people out, and I had like a lightning bolt

on my right shoulder, because it was a feeling,

I never had to be poor, and I never had it since,

and I heard a voice that got you in the ready.

And there was no uber of my downstairs

into a taxi cap after going online,

found a 12-step meeting in the upper 80s

and a church basement in New York City

with 150 plus addicts and alcoholics

were all once both with state of mind.

Ego Frosh was important, like knowing that

I was going there to get the help that I needed,

and it's a render for the first time in my life.

And that day, what I thought at that time was the worst,

has now turned out to my very best.

Well, congratulations, my brother, of course.

And for folks out there, Darren,

that maybe are not in a terrible place of addiction,

but they're just looking for ways to have fun

at a higher vibration level.

This is a man that rolled with some

of the wildest, craziest characters ever.

What would you say to people about how you have fun now?

Because, you know, I surf, I ski,

I said before, it's I surf ski and scuba,

but I scuba know this month, I'm a blind guy,

and I love it, it makes me feel high.

You know, I've never been actually high,

so I can't be sure I really feel high,

but it certainly makes me feel at a much higher

vibration level, how do you have fun now

and for the folks that may be thinking,

yeah, man, but like, if I stop drinking,

as much as I'm drinking or stop, you know, getting high,

sometimes I'm, I'm just not gonna have fun,

but I think your life says something very different.

Yeah, I mean, fun for me is not to find the way

that it used to be, you know,

it's just being around the right energy people.

You know, you and I, the Soviets,

have a matchable connection with each other,

just around people that are as spiritual as possible.

I think we need to talk about,

individuals that are listening and watching,

that doesn't necessarily need to be a celebrity,

but there is somebody in the world of impact

that probably doing the next right thing every day

of their life to build, scale, give back,

be an integrity that few latch on to people like that,

you're really gonna start realizing what life is about

and get a new definition of fun, you know?

It's a different time,

I think people are starting to understand

that it's not about nothing could happen to someone

or at a bar till 11, 12 o'clock in the night, you know?

My level of fun and joy and happiness now comes

from helping other people that are struggling.

You've been a blessing to my Amy High Foundation,

our scholarship anywhere from 30 to 40 people a year

when those calls come in.

It is the greatest, most exciting time in my life

when some point that happens.

We have somebody that comes in that doesn't have

the resources that we can help them.

If somebody wants mentorship in sports management

or celebrity marketing, like I drop everything,

my office makes sure I set that stuff up

because you can't even, you understand it

for people that are listening to an app and experiencing,

you can't even put the feeling into words

on what is like every single fun app.

Amen, brother, and fun.

So here's what's fun for me.

Having lunch in California in Hollywood with Darren.

After we've just gone to an amazing home in the Hollywood Hills

which I'll keep confidential for what we did

and what was happening there will be able to announce it soon.

And then having lunch and just enjoying pizza and laughing

talking about the future and possibility,

what also was fun is when I had the blessing and privilege

of first meeting Darren, it was on Halloween in 2024.

2024 and Darren comes in with his,

when it was incredible business partners, ammo.

And ammo's there to like check me out

to make sure that's some maniac

whether it's 20,000 square feet here, right?

And I had the blessing and privilege

of making contribution to Darren's Amy High Foundation

and that's fun.

But the reason that happened is because we did things

not like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier exactly

or we're Hulk Hogan or Magic Johnson

but not completely unlike it.

We faced challenge and friction.

Darren did, I did, we built business.

We built abundance and only from that place of abundance

could a contribution come for people to get free.

And so that happens.

We begin to develop a relationship.

It was fun running 1,000 person event in New Jersey

and having all these incredibly iconic celebrity people come in.

It was really fun and magical to sit down with Charlie Sheen

and not to exploit him, but to lean in

on his incredible influence, charisma, magic

that this man has brought to the world

and also to be present to the fact

that he's had some extraordinary challenges as well.

And Darren represents him.

And what was fun and magical was my dad's 80th birthday,

my dad's really sick.

And this just happened in 2025.

And my dad couldn't have his 80th birthday party.

And I was heartbroken, he was heartbroken.

And we began a conversation with Darren,

the mutual team of ours, Mike Vesuvio

and said, my dad is an enormous bad fan

and Darren causes Dwight Kudden and Mookie Wilson

along with his incredible team, right?

Steven in a partnership.

And they come to the hospital

and I'm able to surprise my father

and nothing means more to him than New York Mets

and have Mookie Wilson and Dwight Kudden

walk into his hospital room.

I got the computer set up

and the most meaningful moment my dad and I've ever shared

was 1986 being a box 113A for the New York Mets

and watching the ball roll through Bill Buckner's legs

that Mookie Wilson hid.

We rewatched this moment in the hospital room

with my father with Mookie and Dwight Kudden

watching the whole thing.

Brother, and they're there in the hospital room

for like two hours, you know, ish,

like an hour and a half, two hours.

We have a Mets cake and a James Bond cake

for my dad's birthday.

Mookie Wilson and Dwight Kudden are asking for second pieces.

I'm thinking they're being nice taking the first piece

like, no, that's really good.

Got another piece.

Then we come into this room and do a podcast

with Dwight Kudden and Mookie Wilson.

Telling the story, I'm crying.

They're all emotional.

Reverend pizza and wings, you know,

in the office to God knows what time,

but that's fun, but that fun only comes

because of the sacrifice of this man, his partner,

other people have made to build these relationships

with incredible people.

And also, humbly, the abundance,

I've had the privilege of creating

with partnerships and teammates myself.

So what if it's fun to build things

and from that abundance, do magical things?

So brother, first, from my heart, my soul,

and I shared this already,

but I want to say right here on this podcast,

we wouldn't be here without you.

Number one, number two, thank you

for one of the most meaningful moments of my life

and my father's relationship.

You know, we all have challenges with our parents

and all have interesting moments,

but like Billy Crystal, the movie said

in city slickers and one of his co-stars,

said, you know, we feel like he can't talk about anything,

like we could talk about baseball.

And it was a heart and soul of our life.

My dad cried more than 10 times that day about this

and he's cried at least 25 times since.

Every single human being, my father knows,

has heard this story about Dwight Kudden

and Mookie Wilson being there.

And if my father was in this room with us right now,

he would be crying tears pouring down his face

and the mention of his 80th birthday,

he cries instantly, you did that.

And that, I hold no judgment.

I've had plenty of people with addiction challenges

in my life and my family.

I hold no judgment, but I know for a fact,

there's no way that there could be a greater high than that.

And I hope that can penetrate your heart and soul, brother,

because you've done that for so many people,

but you did it from me and my father and my children,

all my children, I have four kids,

I have a 26 year old, my son,

down my four year old daughter,

we're all in this room together with my dad for his birthday.

And what was gonna be this beautiful party

at the Capitol Grill and 100 people and friends

turned into just us in that room.

Tiny small family collection,

and it was the most memorable day of my father's life.

And you did that, brother.

And I hope that high and personal.

Yes, sir.

You know who my favorite athlete is of all time.

Mookie Wilson.

There you go.

And anybody I'll tell you that,

that's no Mason, so it's a little boy.

So that made it even more magical.

Thank you.

And how many people have you brought moments to like that?

I mean, you did it for it.

I can't even imagine what the relationships you have

and the power that these celebrities can have

in people's hearts and souls, brother.

You're like George Bailey.

Like it's a wonderful life.

Like are you present to all the lives and the ripple effects

of everything, not just that these people do,

that you do, brother.

Like how present are not are you to that?

I am.

I mean, it's like I brought up earlier

to you about your abandoned your journey.

Like I see it.

It's not, of course, there's a business side to things,

but we don't want to be just a transactional business.

We want to create experience.

We want to create mind blowing moments.

We want these events or keynotes.

Whatever it might be, whatever that business project is,

to just really impact others from the energy and the frequency

of whoever that celebrity is that they're around.

Because transactional, one off, shake somebody's hand,

maybe deal with them like, I don't know,

we want to just make sure we maximize

every single thing we're doing.

That's just because that's for them, that's for them.

That's when it becomes, you know,

you're reaching back and giving back.

And people are in that moment of just taking every single thing

and just like you were with every single person,

every celebrity you had on stage.

I mean, you changed so many lives that day

just to be behind the scenes with Steve and watching it

with Matilda.

And like, no, we had a very small part of that

helping to put this roster, okay?

That's such a good feeling there.

No, thank you, my brother.

So what does it go from here?

As it began around the Ben home,

you have, hopefully, another hundred years in the sort of,

what is it?

I know you take one day at a time.

I know you meditate, love life.

But if you can fast forward a hundred years

to your final day, what if anything,

would you want to bring forward

that you haven't brought forward yet?

What if anything?

You know, I think I'm just so passionate

about the younger generation and the mental health

and this whole word that everybody

considering narcissists and, you know, unhealed,

like, I would love to be somebody,

and I mean, spoke to them at the White House

about this when I went to bed.

Can we like, you know, start creating, like,

a quersing grammar school about self-love?

Yes.

And self-love?

Yes.

I want to be a part of that.

That has nothing to do with this and so on.

I can care less.

It's been giving me blessings and relationships

that are incredible.

I've said it before when I'm gone.

I want to be known as a man that went deep into hell,

came out on the other side and sprinkled open recovery

for us the world to make people's lives better.

And that's something that would change mental health,

addiction, substance abuse, bullying,

that if the jocks and the nerds that are 8, 9, 10 years old

and the geeks and whatever little stereo tubs

you want to call them all set in the same room,

they talked about how they feel on that keeping day.

Everybody on the same thing, feel.

I remember other.

And as a small token of gratitude,

and this is fun for me, I'd like to make a $50,000 donation.

Oh, my.

Caligee, Christian, this was not at all part of Darren

being here.

We didn't say this.

But a $50,000 donation from my Caligee Christian Foundation

to Amy High, that's fun and a massive gratitude.

That's how I get high.

So thank you, my brother, for everything you've done.

I love you.

Anything you'd like to share with these incredible people

and the final, final.

You've shared so much already.

Is there anything left on your heart

that we have not yet attended to these folks?

I just think sort of how we opened it up

and because you live in a frequency

that's just so unbelievable.

And I do it as often as I can.

That it's about finding fulfillment.

You know, don't be blinded by all these people

with the cards and the jets and the houses.

Like that's getting great and it's important to some

and it's nice to have the ability to live a life.

But it's about integrity.

It's about relationship building.

It's about giving back.

It's about finding that fulfillment in here

and in here and in here.

And when you get it, let it spread like wildfire

to people that need to hear it because when you get

to that place, you want to know that

you're as happy as you possibly could have been

because I know a lot of people that have gotten

to that place up at the top of the mountain top

that are just miserable.

And, you know, I think the younger middle age generation

seems to understand that's a different way to go about it.

Yeah, and what I would love you to take away

from this time with Darren Prince is that

what if we are all a mouse?

What if Muhammad Ali was a mouse?

Joe Frazier was a mouse?

Darren, myself?

You, what if we're all mice looking for lions?

And what if the lion that Muhammad Ali pulled the thorn

out of the foot of where people that felt oppressed

and challenged and limited and fearful

and concerned about what was happening?

What if Joe Frazier was for people who thought

there was change coming that was hurtful?

And what if there's thorns in the feet of ecosystems?

Sometimes ecosystems are large groups of people.

Sometimes are individuals.

And what this brother stands for is he took lions

down the thorn and removed it and created massive value.

And that's how he integrity built these relationships.

So my takeaway is what if we all, Darren, myself, you,

all of us and these iconic people just kept looking

for ways to build relationships with integrity?

Darren wants to help more people.

I have financial abundance.

Here I'm to do it.

Darren's gracious enough to come in and he brings gifts

for me, my dad, all these things.

What if we just keep realizing it's not a zero sum gain?

But there's value to expand and share

and to find people's pain.

They may be way bigger than you.

Way bigger than you in many ways.

But if you could remove that thorn and create massive value

for them and build lifelong relationships,

that is what this brother has done with the likes of Hoco

and a magic Johnson, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier,

Pamela Anderson, David Goggins, people,

the list goes on and on.

We do all day long.

And if this man that was classified in special education

in the great state of New Jersey,

we'll also share that in common.

If he could do it, why can't you?

Darren Prince, I love you, my brother,

we're in this life together forever.

So much more to do.

I thank you for being on the show on Cal.

You online the podcast and it wouldn't be here without you.

So thank you, Darren Prince.

You're an honor, my brother.

Love you.