Full Circle | EP 8 | Season 2

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Germaine Hudson and Bobby Gumpride's story is one of a kind.

It says a lot about the state of Louisiana and the way the justice system works there.

But at its core, it's a story about redemption.

About two men whose lives were derailed by one lie.

And about Germaine's extraordinary choice to forgive Bobby.

I want to sort of reflect on what we're doing here right now.

You two sitting next to each other, telling the story.

How does that feel to you?

Most people go through these experiences with buildings in New York.

They probably wouldn't even want to build around Bobby.

They probably would really despise him for the rest of their life.

But I'm built different.

I am really built different.

My heart is built different.

My mind said it's built different.

And I really thrive.

All for just calling him.

How you doing, man?

Is everything okay?

Most people would not be able to do this.

Not only forgive the person who wrongfully put you in prison,

but befriend them.

And as I worked on the story and talked to Bobby and Germaine,

I needed to ask Bobby one simple question.

Do you think if the shoe was on the other foot,

this would have been the outcome?

Do you think you would have been able to forgive somebody who put you in prison

and who took away part of your life?

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This is the final episode of season two of Birdon of Guilt.

Episode eight, full circle.

They say you can't go back, but sometimes you have to.

In October of 2025, our team took a trip to Angola.

Germaine agreed to join us.

He hadn't stepped foot on those prison grounds since his exoneration in 2021.

So our team started the drive from New Orleans to the prison.

A lot of the fellows been asking me when I'm coming back.

I wasn't really ready to face it at that moment because it was still fresh in my system.

And I didn't want to look at that place.

Now, it's a time for me to cope in my respect,

pay my visit to the brothers that I grew up with, share a few laughs with them,

and give them some hope.

For most of the ride, Germaine said quietly, holding his wife, Kristen's hand.

I remember this role like it was yesterday.

You know, I got goosebumps in my arms.

He brings back a lot of memories coming up this role.

As we got closer to the prison,

those memories of what Germaine endured came rushing back.

It started when he saw the fields or inmates are forced to work.

This road right here, we used to get out here with weed eaters

and just cut all this grass on the side and like 98, 100 degree heat.

It wasn't right.

The weekend we went to Angola was a special occasion, the annual Angola prison rodeo.

If you haven't heard of it before, this rodeo is a distinctly Louisiana phenomena.

Every year, Angola sells tickets to the public and puts on a true rodeo.

The crowd was overwhelming.

There was a jam-packed stadium with thousands of people walking around.

People on horseback with flags.

Our team saw bull riding, wild horse racing, and rodeo poker.

And there was an enormous hobby craft market where you could buy handmade crafts.

They build rocking chairs, they do big room sets, dressers sets.

They make belts, jewelry, you know, they're very creative.

The aromas from different food stalls wafted through the crowd.

So if you're a fan of crawfish, hey, to pay, you were in luck.

But everyone performing and everyone selling their crafts is an inmate in Angola.

Inmates get to keep money they earn from selling their crafts,

but the rest of the profits are used by the prison to support programs.

The rodeo is a complicated thing. Some on the outside think it's cruel and exploits

inmates, they're not professionals. They risk serious injury for prize money that's

relatively small. But for many of the inmates, it's the highlight of the year.

It's a fleeting moment of normalcy. Inmates with demonstrated good behavior are offered the

opportunity to walk the rodeo grounds. They can sit among their family and friends, share a meal,

and feel like they're free in society for just a moment.

A lot of prisoners love it. They really prepare it for that moment.

That's where a lot of guys make their money at. They love it because they get a chance to go out,

be out for a while and see people from on outside.

Now Germain was returning as a free man. He didn't have to wear an orange shirt

and return to a cell at the end of the day.

The difference is, I'm on the outside looking in now. I'm not on the inside looking out.

One of Germain's biggest motivations for attending the rodeo now was to visit the men he

considered his brothers, the men he spent decades with, who were still there.

As a time for me to gain some hope.

As he walked the rodeo grounds, people began recognizing Germain. One by one,

inmates would do a double take and then come up and embrace him.

He over here, and he said, bro, I love man, I'm wanting love and looking all the way,

and I write, bro, try to make the best out of that situation.

It was emotional for Germain and for the men he hadn't seen in years.

I know. I know.

Angola has a way of reminding you where you are. This is a prison built on a plantation,

a place where the past hasn't really passed. When Germain was sentenced to 99 years,

he had no idea that hard labor was an understatement.

Millions of dollars are earned off the backs of the men incarcerated.

The take-home, use them, work them in a 110 degree heat,

slaving them and throwing them away.

They work in fields. Yeah. Outside. Yeah.

Doing what? Picking vegetables. They pick crops. Yeah. They pick all the vegetables and

you got a security guard at the front of the line. Right in the house and you got a security

guard at the back of the line. Right in the house, but these guys are out there with Jingzong

long-sleeved shirts with a two-learned shoulders and they walk in these guys one in two miles

and a hundred degree heat. It's pure hell.

On the farm line, there's no consideration for anyone's disabilities or limitations.

This is usually where the men go once they enter the prison. This place is destroyed so many lives,

so many of these guys are still buried on this, on this plantation.

After spending the day at the prison grounds with Germain,

everyone drove back to New Orleans in silence.

To understand what Germain experienced at Angola, we spoke with Gwen Filosa,

a former criminal justice reporter for the Times Picky Yoon. She visited the prison while Germain

was incarcerated there. The first time she drove onto the grounds of Angola, she says the scene felt

almost impossible to process. Being at Angola felt like stepping into another century.

When you pull up, it's a former plantation. You drive in and you go through checkpoint that

you can see a guy with a long gun, cop, he's sitting on a horse. It's on a horse holding the long

gun and then you see a line of prisoners and they are walking either with shovel or a hoe over

their neck and they're walking out to work the fields. I felt like I was on Mars.

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When reporter Gwen Pelosi drove into Angola she felt like she was on another planet.

To understand why we have to go back, way back, to the Louisiana of 1865.

After the Civil War, Louisiana needed to find a way to reinvent cheap labor to work on plantations.

How could they recapture the black men who were freed after slavery was abolished?

The state devised a scheme to create laws that would make minor or made up offenses, felonies.

To get them into prison you have to figure out ways that they are criminals. The most common

of these laws was for vagrancy, which just meant not having a job. When vagrancy was made a felony,

it took away all the leverage that former slaves had.

That's Dr. Thomas Ayello, an Africana studies professor at Valdosta State University in Georgia,

and the author of Jim Crow's Last Stand. He told us that once prisons had men's

sentence for minor or even non-existent infractions, they would rent them out to plantation owners

across the state. It was a boon for the state coffers and a source of really cheap labor for the

men who could no longer legally own slaves. That became known as convict lease and it was horrible.

During that time, those men worked from sun up to sundown,

chained, beaten, starved, and entirely disposable.

The death rate in convict lease was about 25 percent, which means if you did get caught

for vagrancy, for standing in the wrong place at the wrong time, you had a one and four chance

of that becoming the death penalty. In the early 1900s, state outlawed convict leasing.

They could no longer be rented out, but the farmwork didn't stop. The state used their

inmate population to work 3,000 acres of Angola's land to raise livestock, vegetables, and cotton

to name a few. Today, inmates get paid as low as four cents an hour for this labor.

Some of the food is kept by the prison to feed the population, but plenty of it goes on the

open market, earning money for the state. You might be wondering how this is connected to

Germaine's story. Well, the state has a financial incentive to keep this cheap labor.

That could be one reason why Louisiana lawmakers opposed the bill Germaine and Bobby advocated for,

because that would mean vacating nearly a thousand convictions, people they're making money off of.

The executive director of the Promise of Justice Initiative, Samantha Kennedy,

sees how history repeats itself at Angola over a century later.

There's so much money in bodies. So much money in bodies. People are a commodity.

That has not changed. It looks different. It's legitimized by this system. Without a doubt,

those institutions are recreating, enacting, and embodying highly dehumanizing racist practices.

And it's a tremendous assault to the idea that people in Louisiana belong to the rest of the

country, that we have the same rights, that black people have the same rights, that black people

deserve autonomy, freedom, joy, and family, like everybody else.

All of this weighs on the men incarcerated here. It weighed on Germaine during his 22 years,

and it's the thing that motivates Germaine to continue fighting for legislation to overturn

split jury convictions. He knows the guys who are still suffering at Angola because of a now

unconstitutional verdict. Germaine, what has driven you to keep going back to advocate for people?

I have guys that I've actually formed a brotherhood relationship with,

and to know that there are guys that's in the same situation that I was in and going through

the same thing I was going through, it just motivated me to fight for them.

Even though the last attempt failed, Germaine is not deterred. He's going back to testify in front

of the Louisiana legislature next month because an estimated 1,500 other people are still incarcerated

in Louisiana prisons after split verdicts. Originally, when we started this journey, we had

identified 1,500 between now and then people have died or we've resolved cases. But at this point,

we think it's between 800 and 1,000. They need a voice. They need somebody to stand up and be like

even if I don't win, even if it fails, at least they can say he fought for us. He didn't get out

of here and just leave us. He didn't get out of here and just say, I'm done with that.

About a year ago, Germaine invited Bobby to his home in Texas, and even though Bobby accepted the

invite, he was a nervous rack. He was going to face the family Germaine was taken away from for 22

years. Germaine's wife Kristen was the first person who approached him. I was standing in the kitchen.

And I still had not sat down. I didn't feel comfortable. I didn't know what to do with my hands.

Normally, I'm pretty confident in situations like that. I'm not normally somebody who doesn't know

what to say or do, but in that instance, I had no clue what to do with myself. She walked over

and she grabbed me, grabbed me up in her arms, and I just started sobbing.

She just said, it's over now. You don't have to cry anymore.

And when she said that, I knew what her heart was, and I knew that it was exactly what Germaine's

heart was, because it was almost the same exact thing that Germaine had said to me when we met.

Here's Kristen. The embrace was natural. It's just who we are. We just have loving hearts.

So it was no ill-feeling like a kid. We were just so easy to be able to forgive him.

Germaine didn't just say the words I forgive you. He invited Bobby into his home and set an

example of forgiveness for the rest of the family.

As we wrapped up this series, I invited Germaine and Bobby to come to our studio in Philadelphia.

I wanted to sit down with them and talk about their unlikely friendship.

I want to sort of reflect on what we're doing here right now. You two sitting next to each other,

telling the story. How does that feel to you? His refreshing is refreshing for me because I know

what is doing. Germaine, it's really hard to imagine how you're able to form this friendship

and not have resentment. Can you explain this? Because when you have a heart and you're able to sit

next to the person, the man that sent you to prison and to have a bond, a relationship,

it gives me a sense of peace. It gives me peace. I can go to sleep at night knowing

that he did the right thing even though it took 22 years.

But I give him way more credit for even coming forward to even have me on his heart to say I have

to undo this. As we were reporting this story, there was one question I kept thinking about.

Could I forgive someone who had done this to me who had taken away 22 years of my life for a

crime that never happened? I don't think I could. I asked Bobby the same question.

Do you think if the shoe was on the other foot, this would have been the outcome?

Do you think you would have been able to forgive somebody who put you in prison and who took away

part of your life? Only if God gave me the strength to. But in my own power,

as a very, very flawed individual, absolutely not. It's interesting because you of course

punished yourself for years and years and years because of what you did.

So is that still with you? Do you still feel guilty about those things?

When I was approached with a lineup and I picked him out of the lineup,

I was doing it out of selfish motives, not because it actually happened.

So I guess I don't know what feeling was really connected to that other than selfishness.

Guilt is a powerful motivator and guilt is an emotion that as humans, I believe we need.

And I do still feel guilt, but I don't feel any more ashamed. The difference is I did a bad thing,

not that I'm a bad person. There's a difference and it took me a long time to understand that

difference and not live in the shame. But of course, I'm still guilty of what I did.

And it's still something that I think about constantly.

Jumein, what does the friendship mean to you?

It means a lot to me because it shows my growth. It also shows the type of man

that I've grown to be. You're looking at forgiveness. You're looking at a friendship that has been formed.

You're looking at life that has been changed. And I pray we can change others. I pray to whoever,

you know, the listeners, the own listeners does listen. I pray that they can forgive.

It ain't got to be this situation. It ain't got to be a situation like this.

Do you ever feel that your relationship with Jumein is a reminder of the worst mistake you ever made?

It's a reminder of the greatest forgiveness I've ever received.

Bobby sees it as a miracle, a chance to finally live a normal life. You healed because of Jumein.

Absolutely.

Part of the reason Jumein was inclined to forgive Bobby was because he saw something in him

that is pretty uncommon, genuine, remorse. It started the moment Bobby testified at Jumein's

compensation hearing. I actually went through court and I've seen him on the Zoom video and

it was something in my heart that captured me when I seen him crying because looking at him,

I automatically felt his remorse. I automatically felt how genuine he was because most people don't

cry like that. He couldn't even talk. He was crying so hard. Most people don't do that.

I felt like I was going to be the one to help him just as much as he was going to help me get

my life back on track. At this point in our interview, we saw Bobby go back to that place.

Bobby will bring up such emotion in you.

Just words you never thought you would hear, right? The man that I put in prison

for 22 years, wrongfully, wanted to help me get my life back on track.

I just want to be half the man that he is.

Bobby's been sober for nearly five years. He works at a rehab facility and says he's a new man.

Bobby sent us a text. It was a video taken in a crowded restaurant and Bobby was on one knee.

After everything he went through, every stride he made, he was now asking for someone to build a

future with him. I've never been in a healthy relationship in my entire life, even with myself,

so we're just super grateful to have each other and to be on this journey together.

He married his wife Leslie in June of 2025. It supported Bobby a joy he thought he never would

have experienced. Oh, we're so in love. We're so in love. I'm so grateful that I have her

with me during this whole process. Best of all, his friend Germain has been on the sidelines

sharing him on. I've got a guy like Germain who like, she posted a picture on our Instagram.

Of us, we were at a date night at the movies. And Germain jumped in there. He said, my favorite

couple on the comments. And he said, we love y'all. He'll call her and just talk with her and

encourage her and he'll say, what's up, Queen? You know, he treats my wife like a sister and

we're truly blessed.

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At the beginning of this series, you heard about Bobby Gumpright. The day he was high and homeless

and stumbled into a church in Eunice, Louisiana. He chose that church because of the pastor's first name,

Germain. Bobby felt like it was a sign. Two years later, pastor Germain Tessano was doing his

regular Sunday morning routine, opening the church doors and preparing for his congregation to

field the pews at greater true light Baptist church. When the doors opened, the usual crowds

stepped into the church, but then a stranger appeared. I wore my best suit and I was cleaning

me shaving and smelled good. I walked in and saw pastor Tessano standing at the back. I went

up and shook his hand and I said, hi, pastor. I didn't recognize him at all. To me, he looked like a

politician. He was this white guy with a suit clean and I shook his hand and he said, pastor,

my name is Bobby. Can I share testimony? And my mind was this politician is trying to comb and

seal whatever. And he looked at me kind of sideways and he was like, oh, if there's time.

At the end of the service, Bobby walked to the front of the church and that's when the past

walked in with him. There's a story in the Bible about 10 lepers being healed by Jesus

and how only one came back to present himself as healed. He said, I came to this church,

I was homeless, I was on drugs and this and that and he said, God has delivered me.

Bobby walked through the congregation and pointed to pastor Tessano.

And he said to the congregation, your pastor, gave me a place to stay, your pastor gave me food to eat.

Something in pastor Tessano shifted. Suddenly, memories of a desperate and helpless man

shuffling into his Sunday service years ago came flooding back. And when he started saying that

I stood up. He remembered helping Bobby get back on his feet for one night just for him to

disappear the next morning. I said, no, it can't be. This can't be. This can't be the same.

And I was so overwhelmed with joy. It was tears of joy and we braced each other.

It's one of the best things I was ever able to do since germane to go back and show them

what they had done for me just that little bit of kindness that they had shown me.

He is an inspiration to me and all of us because all of us can say we saw him down but now we see him

open. I go there every couple months now and say hi and I feel like I'm part of their family.

When I go into that church, just just some wonderful, wonderful people.

Returning to this church was a full circle moment for Bobby, a way to reckon with who he once was.

Germane says he doesn't like to live in the past. Maybe that's what helped him survive those two

decades in one of America's harshest prisons. I don't have time to be dwelling on the just

the years or what happened. I don't have time for that. That's a chapter in my life.

The truth is germane lost those years. He can't go back in time to continue raising his daughter

Germia. Germia is now a young woman in 2025. She had a baby boy of her own. He's adorable and he's

the light of the house. Honestly, he brings that joy to our house just to see his smile. That's my

little heart right there. When his grandson laughs in the living room, Germane gets something he

thought he'd lost forever, a chance to be present. You know, he's looking at me as da da too.

You know, he's saying da da da. That's all I'll be trying to correct him.

Germane's life today is downright suburban. It's a long way from the Fisher Projects. He owns a

home where he greets his neighbors on their front lawns. Sometimes when we call him, he's at the

gym with Kristen, who is on the floor playing with his grandbaby. He recently went home from

Artigra posting photos of himself and his oldest friends during the parade. It's obvious that

Germane is thriving, not because he's trying to make up for lost time, but because he finally has

time to live. Sometimes he still can't believe he made it. Do you remember the lowest point when

you were incarcerated? Every day was a lowest point because you don't know when it's going in.

My worst fear was dying in that place.

Their friendship is something you really have to admire.

I wish they had met under different circumstances because it makes me feel terrible that

Germane lost 22 years of his life. But when you see this friendship, it makes you challenge your own

ideas of what's possible with forgiveness, what's possible with redemption. It also shows what humanity

is capable of. Okay, Germane, I know you don't like to dwell on the past, I can't blame you,

and I don't mean to be all philosophical about this, but when you put your head on the pillow at

night, what do you think to yourself? You survived that stone. You know, I know it wasn't

no easy ride, but you survived that stone and you just took off.

So, are you curious about what the people involved in this look like? Do you want to hear bonus

content? Just check out our Instagram account at Glass Podcast where we recap each episode with

show notes that include people, places, and even court records. You can reach out to the

burden of guild team at burdenofgildpod at gmail.com. That's burdenofgildpod at gmail.com.

burdenofgild is a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group in

partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The series is executive produced and hosted by me, Nancy Glass,

produced by Kerry Hartman, also produced by Ben Federman and Andrea Gunning. Our story editor

is Monique Laborde. This episode was written and associated produced by Jade Abdul Malik.

Our production manager is Kristen Melcuri. Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Crunchick.

Audio Editing by Zach Proto. Mixed and mastered by Matt Del Vecchio.

The burden of guild theme is composed by Oliver Baines, music library provided by my music.

And we want to give our special thanks to Germaine Hudson and Bobby Gumpright.

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