Full Episode: Who gets left behind in the Saints' crowded backfield?

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and yeah, I want to talk to you about this man because I think it's kind of one of the most

interesting things in is the scene setter. Probably for a lot of stuff that's going to come up in

the season and the back feels a little bit crowded right now. You got you got HN, you got Alvin,

you got Kendrick Miller, Idrick Estimate, Devon Neal. I mean, I think it's going to be one of the

more. Yeah, and I think it's yeah, I think it's going to be one of the more competitive battles

throughout camp rate now. What do you think happens at the top? What is the story with Alvin right

now? I think that's the biggest story going on with the Saints right now. All right, my bet is

if I, you know, my bet is 51% 49% I'm not saying we know something and no one's told anybody

anything, but my bet is almost that he's not on the team. I don't know, it's close. But look,

this is something that I've maintained and I could obviously be proven wrong at some point,

but I'm pretty confident neither Alvin nor the Saints has a final answer on that yet either.

My best bet guess is that they've asked him to take a pay cut. History tells you that. They

asked Kim Jordan and Demarty Davis and Tyrone Matthew to take pay cuts. Why wouldn't Alvin fall

into the same category? It would explain why they're acting like they're waiting to hear from him.

It would explain why there's limbo and hemming and hawing and weird answers from Kellyn Moore.

And so I think the Saints are prepared for him to say no and cut him and they have some depth if

that happens. But I think they're also keeping the door open for him to come back. I don't think

there's a secret. Everybody knows what's going on and they haven't told anybody. They would have

just cut him by now. That would have been an easier thing to do with the salary cap. So I think

there's some mystery there and I think he's taken probably his time to decide and I think

if they end up drafting a guy, obviously Jeremiah Love, round two, then maybe they go back and they

decide just to cut him. But I think there's some mystery there. But I'm kind of leaning if you

tell me to be in the prediction business. I'm starting to see life without Alvin as early as this

here. I really have. So the thing is it's like before anyone gets into a fight like everybody

posture. So you try to scare the other guy so you don't have to throw a punch as usually all it

goes. Every single time anybody's ever fought. If you ever got in the fight, fight in high school,

you try to be the scariest person because you really don't want to hit anyone and you really

don't want to get hit. You just want to make the other guy run off and you can evaluate that

posturing. But sometimes the quieter person is the person that throws the bigger punch and the

louder person is someone that doesn't know how to fight. And sometimes what you're seeing in that

isn't actually how it ends up playing out. So right now, as we sit here all we can do is look at

posturing and try to figure out what posturing means. In my analysis of the posturing, I think

is in locked up with yours. It feels like that there has been a posture taken on the same side of

okay, cool. You want to like you got to take last money where you got to go. Like it's one of

the two things or maybe maybe hey, you got to go. You got to figure something out. We're moving on

because a lot of their actions say that everything they've postured towards

right now to me says we're doing this. We're doing this with your contract. We're signing these

guys. We're moving on and I don't think Chandler has anything to do with it, but HN sure does.

Like that's a very that's a very loud thing and that doesn't mean they don't fit fit together

or whatever. I think at a price, maybe they all fit together in a way that the saints would like

and I think Alvin's position, which I don't believe to be posturing was hey, look, I'm playing

here. I'm not playing at all. So let's say they're in a situation that there's three things on

the table here. One, they come back at the price, which I don't think is going to happen.

Two, they come back at a reduced price, which maybe that's where this ends up or three, there's

you know, hey, look, we're moving on and you got to move on and that would mean giving them

$3 million. So maybe you say, hey, look, you got to June's second to figure something out or

like we're letting you go and maybe they're looking at his posture and saying, hey,

go ahead and retire then if you don't want to go somewhere and then we don't got to give you

the $3 million, because that's the thing. If he goes, he still has $3 million guaranteed. So

I think those are the three scenarios right here with him and as you walk through him,

like what actually happens here and I think that's where it gets really interesting.

We agree, right? Number one, he's not coming back at that price.

And at full price, no way. I mean, I think what they did with this contract signals that.

I mean, if if they were like happy to just have him back at full price, no questions asked,

then they would have restructured his contract the same way they did Eric McCoy,

Karl Granderson, Chase Young, Justin Reed. There's something going on here. Yeah.

Yeah, two, the reduced price. What do we think is on the table there? Like, what do you think

is it possible? I think, I mean, I think that that's what makes the most sense to me about why

there's a limbo. I think Alvin has to decide. I mean, if Alvin was, I guess option four could be,

hey, Alvin, I know last year you told us you don't ever want to play for another team, but

you know, we've gotten some people who are interested in trading for you. Do you want to rethink that

before we make any final decisions? I suppose that. But either way, I feel like the ball is in Alvin's

court. Alvin, do you want to agree to a pay cut? Alvin, do you want us to shop you and are you

willing to be traded even though you said you weren't before? You know, I think they're waiting on

decisions coming from that side. Yeah. And then there's the final one. And I think there's

probably three options within the final one. Yes, the trade, retirement, or get released in the

three million dollars. If I'm Alvin, I'm not retarded. I'm making them cut me. Like, you're

getting this three million, but I like to get it. You know, you pay me. Yeah. Yeah. I think all

those things are on the table right now, too. I just don't like and look, we're just analyzing

the posturing and all that. And it just, it certainly looks a certain way. And if we're way off

on the analysis of this, I'm sorry, but this is just how it looks. Like, it's just how it looks.

All I can do is use my experience to try to tell you what I think is going on with nobody's

answering questions. And that's the other weird thing here. Nobody's answering any questions

about anything. So I think there's just, I think it's what you said at the beginning. There's a lot

still being figured out. No. I think it's grow. I like, I hate it. I hate seeing it. It's the

same way I feel about the camp thing. Like, I think Alvin's given everything to this organization.

I think on a personal level, he deserves everything. And then there's the business side. And

I, you know, I don't know how that all makes sense. I do know as, you know, someone who I think,

you know, we reasonably have spent our lives watching and thinking about football. That's what we do.

I think there's a path where they're a really, really good team with both these guys on the field.

And I hope that's where it ends up. I think I would love to see Alvin be able to finish his career.

He's a fixture. The, the community of fixture, the organization, they have money on the books.

Like, you know, however you want to feel about it, you can feel about it. I think it's fair,

but I think as we try to analyze like two people to stand up before a fight who's going to win.

I, you know, I think that's just all we're doing right now. And all it does look like two people.

And then we might be wrong. We might be completely wrong. But it, you know, this is one contract

handle one way separate from the others. It's weird. There's the, the, like going on a podcast

to talk thing and not and then like, it's just, so it just looks like there's two guys standing

in the middle of the ring right now. And you said that that Chandler thing doesn't have anything to do

with it. I mean, Thai Chandler is not an Alvin Camero replacement. But signing a guy like Thai Chandler

is something you do if you feel like you still have holes to fill in your backfield. If you have

HN Alvin Kendre, Devin Neil Estimate, I don't know that you need to go out and sign a Thai Chandler.

It feels, it feels like they're preparing, you know, he's the fourth guy on Alvin's the first guy

or whatever, but you know, it's not a one-to-one replacement. But it's the latest in many signals

that they're at least preparing for the possibility of life without Alvin.

Kick return or two a little bit with him. I think there's, there's maybe some crossover there.

But yeah, I mean, it's, it's a roster spot too. It's a spot on the depth track. You're signing a guy

with like, yeah, because it's like, damn, this is crowded. Should we get our returner at

a different position? Maybe. It just, it just looks, it just looks a certain way. That's all. And I

mean, like, I've tried to avoid talking about it for a while until we add the answers, but like,

it's just one of them things where it's, this is, this is the question that has to be answered

about the team right now. And we don't necessarily like having conversations like this, but it

comes a point where you got to talk about it a little bit and, you know, trying to be fair to

everybody, but that, that's how it looks right now. Let's say they tell us tomorrow that Alvin's

retired or Alvin's traded. It's still overcrowded. I mean, I think the, the subject of this was

their overcrowded backfield. Give me your 53-man roster prediction at running back, even if Alvin's

not on the team. With Alvin not on, so like with Alvin on the team, it, with Alvin on the team,

it's obviously H and Alvin. I'm still trying to feel, feels pan, right? Devin Neal and pan.

Devin Neal and dark pencil.

I don't know. I don't know that I have anybody else locked beyond there. I mean, like, I want,

like, if Alvin's on the team, I want to keep Kendra, but it becomes hard. Yeah, it becomes hard

to find a spot for everybody. I think you got to keep Kendra, though. I think you still have to

ride that out and see what happens. And maybe you go a guy heavier or running back because of that,

like, and you just, you have one of those built-ins for him and then you just kind of fill out the

roster with the elevations or whatever. So I think you got to do the top three. Like, there's just

too much talent. With, for me, I'm taking all three. I don't know what they're going to do. For

me, I'm taking all three. And then I, I probably, I decide between Estima and Neal. And if Chandler

makes the team as a returner, he has to make the team as a returner. And that's a special team spot

for me, basically. But yeah, I mean, like, maybe that's the position where I go really heavy at

and just kind of figure it out and treat Kendra like he's one of the then-actives every week.

And yeah, you have a, you know, a built-in backup plan for him. What are you doing?

Yeah, I mean, with Alvin, I mean, and we like to all drink Estima too. That's funny thing.

And he's in sixth right now, I think, which is just crazy.

He could beat on Neal. It feels like Alvin or Kendra to me. I mean, it really does. It feels like

Alvin or Kendra to me. I don't know how you can go into the season with HN, Alvin, Kendra. I

mean, I guess Kendra would have to beat out Devin Neal this summer. It'd be crazy to think Devin Neal

showed you what he showed you last year. And he was a six-round draft pick of this staff. And

there's not a place for him. They just signed Ty Chandler. You're right. That would probably be a

special team's role, like kind of like a Dante Pettus thing or something like that. But it is,

it is, it's really crazy. You can't count on Kendra Miller. Kendra Miller has to stay healthy.

All OTAs, all minicamp, all training camp, and then you find room for him. But I think the whole

season too, yeah. I don't think the whole season will win to it thinking, you know, he's a bonus if

he makes it, but we need to have at least three of the next if not. I got a spot from if he gets

there though. I do. I mean, he's just, he's way, he's way too talented. He's still, he's just way

too talented. I got a spot for him and I let it eat. But yeah, I mean, look, the numbers here

kind of go into what why we're having the conversation is just, and we still think they could

and should draft one, right? Like the kid, if not Jeremiah Love, you know, Jeterian Price from

Notre Dame, the kid from Arkansas. I mean, like, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a second or

third round pick goes to this position too. I can replace everyone on on that roster except for

HN. Let's see, like everybody else can be touched. They can be taken and even if albums on the team

this year, you're replacing them a year from now. So everyone, everyone's on though. I can,

I can replace country Miller, Devin Neil, I like, but he, he, he isn't on touchable at all.

Yeah, that's to make him beat him out the shirt. I wouldn't be, that wouldn't be like, wow,

they cut Devin nails. Like, uh, you know, it kind of sucks that he can make the team. Like,

that's how I would look at it. Yeah, I think anything can happen there, man. It's, it's fascinating.

I think I think that running backspot is, is really, really, uh, one of the things that's

going to have to find in the season. Same vein kind of, same topic, same future, same, whatever.

Uh, this one presented by, um, Shabbar, insurgency, airheart agency, Kim Jordan situation feels like

it is just at a complete standstill. Um, for now, well, he'll sign today because we're saying this.

But, you know, he goes on, on, uh, t-steads podcast, said a lot, you know, he said a lot, um,

t-steads it with a smile on a bubbly personality, but there's a lot of,

there's a lot of, uh, his truth in, in, in his words and, you know, he seems bothered by how

he's going. He's trying to play on bother, but there was a couple of lines in there where,

where he's clearly bothered, not like I totally get it. Um, where does this standoff end?

Yeah, you know how it's, he can tell he's clearly bothered. It's 10 days into free agency and he

hasn't resigned yet. I mean, um, so he's clearly bothered and he, you know, he should be, he,

he deserves to be. The saints can be shrewd businessmen. All you want, like you can say, Bill,

look at Bill Belichick, he was the model. Well, the players he cut weren't happy about it. They

didn't say, hey, that was smart by Bill. They, you know, on their way out, they're like screw this,

you know, it's, uh, it's business over family. So, uh, when you choose business over family,

then you're, you're going to hurt some feelings. Uh, when you do that, um, I'm a little torn. Part of

me was going to say, when I saw this on the script on the rundown today, parties say I finally

changed my mind. Like up until about Monday, I was like, I still, I still think Cam Jordan's

going to be on this roster. I think they'll ultimately figure out the price and he's going to be

on this roster. But it's lingered. I will admit, it's lingered longer than I thought. Like this,

this is more and more contentious than I thought. They resigned Chris Rump, who obviously played

behind Cam Jordan last year. There's room for 40 ends on the roster. That doesn't mean they've

moved on. Um, I still think there, there's, it's almost a must that they draft one. So, so, all

the sudden, you know, maybe those are your top 40 DNs, uh, Chris Rump, fun or rookie. Um, but then

on the flip side, I mean, Cam didn't sign anywhere else. You know, DeMario Davis signed with the

Jets on the first day. Um, yeah. I don't think Cam's going anywhere else, um, unless, unless it

just gets so contentious that he's like, you know what, you guys have insulted me to the point

that I'm going to go play for the cheese for the veteran minimum, just, just to show you what you

missed out on. I don't know that we're there yet. But I mean, the fact that he hasn't signed anywhere

else still makes me feel like it's a one team, one way negotiation. And it's just a game of chicken

until either they up their price enough to where he'll accept it. Uh, or, or he licks his wounds and

he takes what they're offering. Um, because I don't think another team's going to out bid the saints

at this point. I think he'd probably be gone if that had already happened. But I can't rule anything

out because feelings have already been heard on this. Yeah. I mean, look, even if someone's,

maybe somebody has out either, either the money's not there or he's not willing to go. And

either one of those things is, is illustrative to the saints and their approach to this. And

it's, it's informative. I mean, maybe somebody has bid more, but it maybe Cam just actually

isn't willing to leave or maybe, maybe it hasn't been enough over to untiece from the leave,

or maybe somebody hasn't. But any one of those things, the fact that he's still free to like,

if you're, you're the same, you're like, why, like, we can just wait this out if we want him. Like,

and that's the tough way to do it. It really is. It's an ugly way to do business. Um, I hated seeing

that, you know, I hated seeing the whole, just, it's tough, man. That's the tough, you know,

it's just not what you want to see. Um, you know, it wasn't clean. Like I said before, like,

Tyron kind of saw some, but like, he dipped before it could become anything. And I, you know,

it's just, it's tough. It's tough. Like, both these conversations are at that place where it's like,

like, I don't want to watch this ending. Like, it's, you know, it's like going through like the

holes, like, show and then the final season sucks. And it's just like, ah, yeah, I just want to,

I just don't want that. Like, just let's go back to what it was before. That's where it feels like

it's out right now. I don't know where this one ends up. I still kind of think he comes back

because I think if he was that pissed, he'd be gone. Yeah. And he keeps saying we, like, didn't

have his comments about, like, you know, he's still talking like he's on the saints when he makes

half his comments, like, uh, when he was talking about Cayman Ellis being his teammate now or whatever

it's like, you're treating your acting like Cayman Ellis is your teammate now. You think you're

going to be on the saints. I mean, um, yeah, I think the saints should pay the little extra because

I don't just want Cam Jordan back, you know, you're getting your whatever your 25 snaps a

game out of Cam Jordan, maybe, maybe more, especially if there's injuries. Maybe you're getting

close to the same model next year, but what you want is happy, motivated, body and leader, Cam Jordan.

You want half the things you're paying for with Cam Jordan or so that all the young guys in the

building see how fired up he is to come to work in OTAs and look, this guy's a 16th year veteran

future Hall of Famer and look how he comes to work. If, if, if you turn him into like a jaded,

like, this team didn't really want me, I guess I'll show up. You're kind of rooting that concept

in the first place. So I'd pay him enough to make him be fired it up to enough to be the energy

leader of your clubhouse. I think that's a huge selling point with him. Yeah. And look, I think

you can still contribute. I mean, obviously the sack number was there. You know, the pressure

percentage wasn't quite what it used to be or what it was compared to other guys. And he is also

on a lot more advantageous spots, but like 14.6 was Chase Young's pressure rate. Carl Granderson's

was 11.9. Cams was 8.3. It's still a good number. But I mean, then you throw in the run defense.

And he had, you know, 44 tackles and run defense time for a loss. You know, I'm 460 snaps. Like,

he's still, he's still a force like on those plays and he can still rush the past. They're

pretty good. There's some value there. It just depends on, you know, I just hate it. Like,

you look at the depth chart. It's like, well, like, well, you dig about it there.

Chris Romp helps like that, that, that put a guy back in there. But before yesterday, it's like,

oh, my God, like, you laying it out. And it's like, this is the third guy. Like, what are they

going to do here? Um, so yeah, that kind of makes it interesting. We'll talk more about that

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Rose and yeah, just kind of continuing on the same vein here of just, is it the end?

Taste them Hill. That one looks like it's probably added towards retirement at this point. Any

indication that anything else is that I mean, I guess we didn't bring him up when we were

talking about the overcrowded backfield. I guess those are a lot of carries to replace

as well. So in all these years, when we're used to the saints only keeping like three running

backs on their 53, that could be another reason why they're going heavier running back now.

Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, they're obviously giving taste of his time. The injuries he's had,

his age, if he wants to retire, they're going to celebrate the crap out of them. They're

going to put them in there all the fame. They're going to have a special day where he comes out.

He's going to lead a who dad chant. They're going to treat him like royalty forever here.

But if he were to tell them, I want to come back, it feels like, I mean, do you make room for him

at a minimum salary? Would he want to come back at a minimum salary? Would he want to consider,

hey Sean Payton, you got a spot for me? I don't know. Taste them Hill is such a special player that

he doesn't feel like you just tack him onto your roster. You feel like you have to have

plans for him. You have to have a vision for him. I don't think he's a guy that, you know,

that can just show up midstream. So I feel like that's something they would need to know before

OTA start. And obviously, since we haven't heard anything by this stage with each passing day,

it seems less and less likely that he's going to be a part of this team or maybe any other team.

If he's coming back, he's got a campy what it was last year.

Like he was a special player. Last year, he averaged 2.2 yards per carry.

Yeah. You know, like he completed 36% of his passes. You don't really,

you don't really build anything around that anymore. You know, like I think you could maybe give him

like a red zone carry or something. Like sure, if you want to do that, that's that's fine. I mean,

it, like the Jimmy Graham thing where it's just like, that's a good cop. That's a good cop. I

mean, that, that feels like the only possibility of what it would look like at this point.

Yeah, like you can score one specific way, like go score. I mean, you could probably do that with

them, but it can't be like it was 2.2 yards per carry, man. Like, and maybe it was just a weird

year bad year, but I don't think it was. Like he would do fumble three times last year too,

on just like a small amount of carries. Like it was just a little bit, you know, it was just kind

of kind of felt like it got into a time and a place. And like unfortunately, we all saw and

look, there was a time where we kind of thought Cam was on like a major downswing and then he

had a really good year last year. So like, maybe it was just a weird year and a weird fit in the

weird system and you figure it out more in the next year. I just, I just kind of think it's probably

probably hit, you know, and I kind of feel like they're a place of like H&N replaces a lot of it.

No, a fan replaces a lot of it. You don't get the, the passing aspect of it, but I don't think

you want that really anymore. Unless it's lights out or every now and then a random trick play, but

I just feel like it's ran its course and it's in its moved on. And you know, you put them in the

ring of honor. He's the same solid famer. And I, you know, I just think I think that's it. I

would be surprised if he wants to play. Like it kind of felt like he knew it was the end last year

or two that last home game, all that. I'm not begging them to come back. I know that. Like I'm not

I'm not interesting because I hadn't thought of that, but that's what it would look like. It

would be like, if this guy still wants to play, it doesn't hurt to have him in the building. He's

ready for the veteran minimum. He'll play on every special teams and, and you know, maybe he'll

score four touchdowns for us. If that's what he wants, but I think Jason Hill would have to want

to play a reduced role for the veteran minimum. Maybe, maybe you make room for him like you made

room for Jimmy Graham that year, but I feel like that's what we're down to. I mean, if he was

Yeah, that's it. Little money and be a real part of this team. It can't be an afterthought.

That has to be it. No, we're, we're, we're, we're planning for that from OTA's on. And,

and it doesn't feel like it's headed that way. Yeah, I agree. I hate all these conversations,

man. They're just terrible. Yeah. I mean, this, this team is ripping some band-aids off and

moving on in the last couple of years and, and, and, you know, so that makes it even less like,

it's not like Sean Payton is still the coach and, and there's room for veterans who only play

six maps of game anymore. This is, this is a team that's rebuilding and remaking itself for sure.

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then I'm going to, I'm going to narrow it, I'm going to scope it down the one offense for defense

today. It's defense for me because Caleb Downs is my favorite of the realistic possibilities.

And every time I hammer the New Orleans football mock draft simulator that I've gotten the

chance to, to play around with before the general public because I know somebody. I, I keep hoping

that, you know, I get the one in 12 shot that David Bailey or Rubin Bain falls to me.

That's, that's my wish. That's my like, all right, you know, I mean, there's so many different

permutations of these top 10 guys and, and the one that I find myself hoping for that's like

finding the golden ticket is, is that David Bailey or Rubin Bain falls. That doesn't usually happen.

And when it doesn't happen, I want it to be Caleb Downs. So that's three defensive players

right there. And then, you know, sunny styles and Jeremiah Love and the receivers are all,

are, are all possibilities too. But I find myself, you know, hoping, hoping you can get a steal at,

at a, at a Dresher. That's where I'm at, man, like I, the more and more, I look at the roster,

it's like, boy, I hope one of these edge guys get there because it is just, like the Cam thing

feels real now. And whether it's this year, next year, it's, it's the thing, like if, if Bailey

fell there, Bain fell there, like, I, I feel really good about getting one of those two guys.

I was about to make like this whole case. But yeah, I mean, that that's just kind of where it's at.

Like, they got a, they got to get somebody else on that, on that D line somewhere.

It is a good draft, though, that if you don't get one in a eight, I think you can get one

in the second or third round and get a rotational player. I think in the second round, you can

get a good contributor or third round. I think you can get a rotational type player. So

that at least helps. I don't know that you have to do it there, but you would feel like you're

solving it with one of those guys at that spot. So yeah, I'm with you on it. I thought I was

going to have to make a case and then you set it at the beginning. Arville res fell to me in one

yesterday. I didn't like that as much as Bailey or Bane, but especially when we talked last

week about his sunny styles, too redundant with already having Kaden Ellis and Pete Werner and

Danny Stutzman and Isaiah Stalbert. Arville res would be a little bit the same way, but

any defensive player maker. The other thing is, first of all, take the highest rated player at any

position. Take a guy who's going to be an all pro. Don't just try to make your draft

poured fit together. But if you do go defense in round one, man, I'd love to be sitting there in

round two deciding now I want to get my playmaker because I love the receivers and to an extent

a little bit running backs that are available on day two. I like Arville res. If I don't have to

think about any potential consequences for my actions. I think he's the guy you're like

man, I want this guy. He could be absolutely incredible. Look at all his stuff he can do.

And then if you actually have consequences for your actions, like not just getting fired,

but like even just like setting the team back or the risk. I mean, there's there's realistic risk

there. And I could definitely talk myself into it. And if I was a GM, I probably would talk

myself into it. But you know, I think I think it keeps you up at night a little bit more so

than some other guys. Would you predict right now? He's the one who falls for that reason that when

it comes down to it, you don't actually have a vision for him to sunny styles rise, bump him down

maybe because I think so. Well, I think I think someone will talk themselves in the race. I had

a head of sunny just but like this draft and then just the upside is just it's insane, man.

Like I went out there to that Ohio State game. Like I think it was like the fourth game on my trip.

I had seen Bay and I like Bay and I was surprised by how small he was. My takeaway from the

Banting was like and I wrote in the stores like I don't know. I don't know if this guy's like

a surefire top five pick just based on like when you go out and look at him, but then you look

at him and you're like he's really good. So I liked Bane a lot. I didn't love him as when we were

thinking the same side. I was the number one pick. I love him. I love him where they're sitting now,

though. Reese was the one guy that was like just the easiest. You're just looking at him and

where is he? Oh, okay. Like he moves different. He plays different. He's explosive. His

athleticism is different. So like on all those things like and that's how every year there's

a track record of me talking about guys like that every year being like I love him, but I don't

know he's on the I love him, but I don't know list and a lot of those guys haven't turned out.

I always met it. A lot of the guys with him have not turned out how I hope they would.

Who will tell me because sunny styles is the guy who was not on everyone's radar as much as

Reese for the last six months and then he blows away the combine and now he's the who's the bigger

risk of not panning out out of Reese and styles? I think probably I think probably Reese

probably has more bust ability, but the the the sky is higher. I mean, sunny styles is really,

really high too. Like what's the floor on sunny styles? It like Matt Milano maybe from Buffalo?

Like he was a former safety that plays linebacker. He's hurt quite a bit, but when he's out there,

he's really good. Like I think I think sunny styles is fairly safe, even if you play him in a

traditional role. Like I think unleashing the value of him is like where you got to have that

imagination and everything is is where you could go from, you know, an eight to a tenor, whatever

for your team. I don't know why he wasn't on so many radars. Maybe because he was a linebacker

in people just didn't realize or whatever. I mean, I'm, you know,

when we talk about position of value all the time, I'm sure that's the answer. But then the

funny thing is they might end up playing the same position in the NFL. So Reese was higher because

he was listed as edge, but if he's going to be an off ball linebacker, then then it's more like

comparing apples to apples in some ways. Yeah, it is. It really is. Yeah, it's going to be interesting.

Garrett Wilson, Bruce Crystal, I'll be all over again. Speaking of which, do you have a favorite

receiver? Have you found yourself locking in on a favorite receiver? I think Carnalt hates my

favorite. But for me, it's not any of them. Well, my favorite, my favorite is Tyson, but like,

I think the one I would draft is Lemon. I just, you got to spend some time with them. It's like

reading the, it's like reading the book, you know, I mean, it's like someone that puts lyrics in

their music and it isn't just bops, but like, once you catch it, like the value, like he just,

all right, like he like it more and more, like the more you spend time with it. I think that's

whom a Kyle Lemon is. Not like, you know, Jordan Tyson, you put it on. Yeah, Tate, like I think,

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him, but I mean, yeah, if you're drafting top 10, you kind of want the height, weight, speed,

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that which is the get Gordon question that they presented by Nick Mathes. He said,

with trading the eighth overall pick for an established player such as Crosby, AJ Brown or

someone else, change the way you view the front office's mindset about seem. I think yes,

it would obviously. I mean, I think that would very clearly signal that they're going for it.

I guess the question to spin off of that is how insane would it be?

Yeah. Well, you brought this up to me. I was kind of dead set against that idea for a little while

and then you sparked the light bulb over my head and then we have heard the whispers that we hear

that the saints think a little bit more like you and it makes so much sense. The biggest cheat code

in sports is the quarterback on a rookie contract. You know, the Legion of Boom should have won

as many as they could while Russell Wilson was on his rookie third drum pick contract.

The Patriots should win as much as they can while they've got Drake May on his rookie contract,

etc, etc. The the cheese with Pat my homes. So this window feels short because Tyler Shucks going

into year two, but your window that Tyler Shucks doesn't cost anything is only another three years.

So there there there is an argument to be made for. Hey, let's load up there. Let's spend money

on Max Crosby and AJ Brown while we're not paying a quarterback because in a few years we're

going to be paying our quarterback. So I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I feel like they're a year

away from making that move. I'd like to use that eighth pick on one more cornerstone piece that's

going to be an all pro for 10 years and maybe next year is the year that it becomes pick 15 and I

trade that. But I'm open. I'm open. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, that's an interesting way

to think about it because it would be picking later next year. Like when we were talking about like

the max thing before and everything like I was kind of like, oh, I'd rather trade the eighth pick

on a weaker draft than like, what if, yeah, I mean, you get the player that you beat. You

theoretically like you're making the trade to get better. So then you probably are trading a less

valuable asset a year from now than now. The differences like some guys are available. But my

thing with this is before when we talked about Max, I was more, I was more into the idea.

And then like you kind of find out more about the knee. Yeah. And you start thinking about it and it's

like, ah, I know a little bit too much now. He's in a unique situation, but yeah. Yeah.

And then what was your gut when you saw what Denver just did with Jalen Waddle?

What were you like, what did they give up? Basically they gave up a first and a third,

but it was the 30th pick and round one. Were you like, that's the right move for a team like that?

Or were you like, they're on the cost. Yeah. They're on the cost. So yeah, I probably do it.

Like, do you take chance out of it? And you know, Sean Peyton draft from receivers,

like, hasn't always like, how's that on Mike Thomas? I guess he got Brandon cooks too. Like,

I'm sure changing them all up there. Yeah. I mean, maybe I take chance out of it though.

Like if I'm not close to it and I only have this small window left of not having to pay

both X amount of dollars and I can really go for it. I think I want to take chance out of it

where I can a little bit. So going back to this, like, yes, I would probably make the trade for

AJ Brown. I may be a little bit less likely to do it for for Max. Like, I like Max a lot.

I got to see the price. Like, I wouldn't do whatever that Baltimore just traded for him.

Yeah. And look, for Baltimore, I thought it almost made a little bit of sense because they

have to. And if they don't, the whole thing blows up. Like, but look, they find a better option

or whatever. I was more into it until our mutual front high, like, just hammered me for,

for being like, I don't think it was a bad idea. Like, he just, he wore me out and I'm like,

ah, all right. Like, maybe it was a little bit, a little bit too much. Then the trade blows up

and he took his victory laugh and I had a lot of them. But yeah, look, I'm more into the AJ

Brown, I think, than, than, than a Max trade. But you could talk me into it for the right price.

I mean, if they made a trade for Max Crosby today, I'd be like, oh, man, I don't know what this

is going to look like in a few years. But like, it goes back to the thing where you'd be like,

kind of want to see how it plays out. Like, that's a really good player. I just don't know

that I would do the two first four. It would have to be, it would have to be less than that.

That'd be tough. And one Baltimore, well, actually, it's not true. I was going to say one

Baltimore offered two first for it. They were later picks, but they actually had like

pick 14 this year after they're down year last year. So yeah, good thing they got out of that deal,

I think. I mean, it's, it's very, very shrewd. Yeah. And if you're the team as business

of you, the player, it's personal because it's always personal. So I mean, I wonder, I do

wonder what Cam's actually thinking right now. I can't be a happy camper. We'll see how that one

plays out. Yeah, I haven't plays out. We'll be here to narrate the whole thing. Thanks for watching.

We'll talk to you next time.