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What's got wrenching?
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I want a frickin' kill him.
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I want a frickin' kill him.
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That makes me so upset.
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I legit can't right now.
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It just makes me so mad because he's such...
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It's good writing, but he's such an evil...
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That I can't hold it...
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Like, I literally am like,
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if we don't get on screen a really good vengeance
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where he frickin' dies
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in a really terrible way,
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I'm gonna be really upset.
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That's how I feel right now.
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Give some quick thoughts,
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and then we'll get into questions,
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and then we'll go back and forth.
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Well, Tara, how do you feel about Ramsey?
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Yeah, two really solid episodes again.
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First of all, I love the...
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I think my favorite part was...
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I mean, I loved everything,
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but I think one of my favorite interactions was Lady O'Lena,
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which I'm so glad to have her back on.
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I really missed her, honestly.
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5, 6, 7 episodes, however long it's been since she was last on.
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But that interaction with her and Cersei,
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because Cersei has really adapted to the game
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that, you know, O'Lena and Marjorie are playing.
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And, you know, to see that interaction
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where she's like, you're not even really writing anything now.
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Direct the really being,
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where she actually says what she's really thinking,
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whereas Cersei is playing the Marjorie game
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of having a facade and having subtext
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to a lot of her dialogue.
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It was just one of my favorite interactions.
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So, and I think one of my other favorite interactions
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throughout the entire season,
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too, was Lord Tywin and Lady O'Lena.
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So, it seems to always be a scene with Lady O'Lena,
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as well as usually one of my favorite scenes.
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What do you think the worst one was out of these two?
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Like, that made you mad.
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Oh, it's the last scene.
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That, I mean, just Ramsey, just...
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Whoever that actor is,
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he's really good at just getting under your skin as a viewer
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and also getting under the skin of characters we care about, too,
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I mean, Sansa has really grown on me, too,
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since the very beginning.
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And, you know, if she was going to lose her virginity,
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I wanted it to be with someone that she really
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was attached to and cared for,
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not in this sadistic, vindictive, disgusting way.
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And, you know, I feel so awful
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that that's who she had to lose it, too.
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But I understand the long game she's playing
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This, this dude is such a crazy MF
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when it comes to the strategies in which he always plays that,
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because, you know, now he made a deal with Cersei
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where he's going to be ruler of the North,
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Sees it from the point of view vantage of...
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But Cersei's got to be...
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It's kind of like with, you know,
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Sir Ned Stark, where it's got to be a head on a stick or whatever.
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So I'm curious how that's all going to unravel in the end.
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But, sorry, I know you said quick thoughts.
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Great two episodes. What do you think?
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So you did, you liked them both.
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And, like, yeah, the favorites that we did both,
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like, Lady O's stuff, which was a lot of fun.
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And they did spend a lot of time,
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We both love Tyrion so much.
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And so it's cool that we got to see that relationship
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between Tyrion and Jura.
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And now I'm wondering about the frickin' the pits.
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Like, the Gladiator pits, the fact that,
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thank God Tyrion was there, and he's got a mouth.
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He can talk his way out of so many things.
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And he talked, it's obviously Jura into the pits
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of being like, this is the best one of the best Gladiators he knows.
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But what a shocker with Daenerys saying,
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she's going to marry that guy, right?
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Like, that's, that is a thing that I, you could tell,
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she hates it, she has to do it.
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But she's gonna do it anyway,
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because like, they, like, what's his not,
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so it's reading the letter, being like,
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she refuses to leave,
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unless she gives freedom to the people.
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And I think that's, that's great.
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You know, like, I think it's great,
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but also it's a little dangerous.
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Right, well, it's kind of like,
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just what we're seeing also with Jon Snow,
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when you're a leader, you got to make really hard decisions.
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So I think that's that, that theme around leadership.
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Yeah, because like, do you think that,
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like, that Jon Snow, I feel like Jon Snow
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is obviously going to be the best Lord Commander
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of the Night's Watch ever.
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But right now, do we feel like he can really get the Wildlings?
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He's going to have to leave.
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I mean, it's going to be fascinating to watch for sure.
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I think if anyone, I mean, we talk about how Tyrion is so
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quick-witted and how he uses, you know,
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his intellect in order to get out of sticky situations.
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I think Jon Snow is also one of those type of people
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where, you know, he really, he,
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whenever he talks, he's got a high level of intellect too
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and he's really good with, you know,
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making people have an understanding of perspective
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and even when they don't see that reason for cause at first.
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So hopefully, I mean, he, look, he was one of those Wildlings.
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I know right now they're probably at a point
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where they see him more as a traitor than one for their cause,
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but I think he's going to have to make them understand,
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like, look, either you follow me and come this way and live here
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or you die in the winter and the white walkers
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are going to get you, you know, which way do you want to choose?
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So, you know, as long as he, I believe,
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as long as he, you know, convinces them in that way.
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And also, yes, our God.
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Well, I was just going to ask you,
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do you believe Baylish?
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What side is the little finger on?
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I never know with that guy.
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I mean, he always is just conniving his way
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to in strategic ways.
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I think he just wants to rule the North at the end of the day,
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So I don't, I mean, I know he was always in love
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with Catlin Stark, that I do know.
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I don't know if he really does care about Sansa.
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I think she's just a means to an end.
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So if she has to die, and that means he has to rule the North,
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so be it, he can find another woman.
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But who knows, I could be wrong.
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Maybe, what we'll see, I just, they always have me on my toes
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when it comes to Baylish.
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But when it comes to, to Jor, I'm really concerned now
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that he has the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the mark.
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So I know that Stanis already has found a cure for his daughter.
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And, but that was Stanis and we are not interacting.
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We're not interacting with Stanis.
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So right now time is an obstacle.
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And Jora is a character that we are very heavily invested in.
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And as we have mentioned time and time and time again,
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and we will mention time and time and time again,
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no one on this show is ever safe, ever.
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So I'm anxious to see what happens,
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how we get a resolving from that.
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And also to the whole thing that's happening with Arya
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and the, the how the faceless men, the faceless gods and all that.
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That's a very, another fascinating development as well,
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just seeing her as she was comforting that little girl
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and, you know, feeding her some stuff to, again,
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just to comfort her to prepare,
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whereas like before she might have said something different,
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but that, I think that showed Joaquin or Joaquin,
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I would be say his name.
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I think that was showing him that she's slightly getting,
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getting to that level of ready to, to not become no one,
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but to become at least a faceless.
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So yeah, she's shedding her old self.
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Like what are the heads doing in there?
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Like I'm just like, why are there so many?
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That's a, the mission of possible faces.
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That's a mission of possible things,
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but it's just like, God, this is, that's crazy, dude.
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That's so many heads up in there that you could use.
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You could just be anybody and get your way into anywhere.
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And one of my favorite shots in these two episodes was,
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Is that, do you say the dragon's name?
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Or, yeah, they both saw him, right?
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But I mean, the dragons have to obviously,
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are going to play a big part at some point
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by the end of the season.
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So I can't wait till that happens.
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Hopefully she's tame them by then,
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and they're listening to her.
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So yeah, I'm just, I'm anxious as well to see that.
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Yeah, so this, so, and that,
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that also that shot of her feeding,
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of them, you know, blowing fire onto that.
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And then feasting on them, ripping them apart.
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That was freaking gnarly, dude.
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It was pretty cool.
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That was a great effect for sure.
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Cause I think they blended a little bit of practical
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and CGI, which is my favorite type of way to do those kinds of effects,
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but I was freaking crazy.
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I loved it so much.
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Dude, I mean, right now though,
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also Queen Marjorie and Loris are in jail.
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I don't know what you're going to do there.
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I don't know how we get out of this
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because that guy, the lead pre-sky is so savage about like God,
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that he's like, you lied,
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you lied about your brother,
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your brother's a pillow bider.
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Like, I'm like, oh God, are they going to like kill him?
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The only thing I could see possibly happening
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is Lady Olena having a talk with Tomin and saying,
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dude, you need to grow parables.
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And do some damage on these.
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Your wife is like, do you want to get you know,
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do you want to have some good times in your bed?
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Then free my granddaughter, free your wife, you know.
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She would have to sneak in to King Tomin
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and find him somewhere because we know Cersei
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won't let her get near her son.
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And I'm like, Tomin didn't even say anything.
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I he literally just looked at his mom,
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his mom sat there and smiled.
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And I was like, I hate like literally all of this.
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I'm not agreeing with what he did,
11:27
but it resonates with me because I'm not
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the most confrontational human being.
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And so I can understand where he's coming from
11:34
at the same point when your wife and brother
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and law are being dragged off.
11:38
And do you have the power to do something?
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Yeah, maybe do something.
11:42
I mean, here's what I would do.
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If I didn't do something right then,
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I would be like, I'm going to play it cool
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because now I need time to come up with a plan.
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I mean, yeah, that's what he's,
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if that's the long game he's playing.
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That's not what Tomin is.
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That's what I would do.
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Tomin just sitting there going, mommy, what do I do?
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I mean, at the end of the day again, he's just a young kid.
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And he's in way over his head.
12:07
And he's got a crazy cuckoo fricking bananas, mom, dude.
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often had to film in some pretty tough locations.
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Icelandic glaciers, Moroccan deserts, and Belfast
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are aimed, but the visuals are unlike anything in TV.
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Today, many shows have switched using tech
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like the volume to create backdrops.
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If you were on a production, would you
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choose to create your conference of new tech
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or tough it out to be on location?
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I understand the desire to want to do
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creature comforts of new tech, for sure.
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It makes it, I mean, you got to,
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it definitely makes it a lot easier on the actors,
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but there's something authentic about being tough on location.
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For me as an audience member, it feels
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more authentic and real, and I just appreciate it.
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And more, it's kind of like Tom Cruise
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when he does these dangerous stunts.
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And God forbid, I hope nothing ever happens
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because I appreciate and love him so much.
13:02
But there's something genuine when it feels more real
13:06
when they're on location, because there's a lot of times
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where terror myself will say when we're watching them
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on screen, like, it looks really cold there.
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You can see that the smoke coming out of their mouths
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because it looks like it's freezing on that scene,
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or you can see the rain coming down whatever,
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or the Moroccan deserts.
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Like, I appreciate that authenticity.
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So I personally would prefer when they're
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toughening you know, it on location,
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but I understand when you don't want to do that,
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and you probably have to, and you do the blue screens
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and all that, it makes life a little bit easier,
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but it also kind of takes me out of, you know,
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what we're watching a little bit, but that's just me.
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The thing is, Care Bear, if I had an unlimited budget,
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then I would tough it out on location.
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What we are not going to see anymore, sadly,
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we'll only see it with big budgets,
13:56
like people who've been making films for a while,
13:58
and they want the realistic thing,
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because you can feel it.
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Those are what, you have to have a big budget for that,
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for smaller stuff, the reason why it's CGI,
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and you know, the creature conference of new tech
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is just because it's less expensive, sure,
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it's easier to get it done,
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because you can have tons of people on one green sink room
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and make them place them wherever you want.
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So it's easier to get it done, but there are some films,
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like before everything became a lot focused on CGI and AI,
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we're kind of in the world of AI now,
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but if you think about like, even Harry Potter,
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you work with a mixture of real life,
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practical car in a tree, but you're in a green sink room
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so that the background, mostly,
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yes, of what you see fully on screen as CGI,
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but the rest of it where they are,
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what they feel is practical.
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I'm okay with that stuff.
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I hope we don't lose it, but we are getting to a point
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where you can really just set an actor down in a chair
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and build a car around them and change their outfit
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within a second, and not have them actually have to change
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their makeup or their hair or their outfit or change
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And that is, it's a little scary, which is why,
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as of, I mean, I don't know when this will come out,
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but as of like Wednesday, January 28th,
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SAG is still like, hey, we still kind of don't want AI
15:32
and they're kind of like, we could strike though.
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So they're on and off of like,
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there could be a strike to say like,
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you kind of have to listen up
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because there has to be regulations, so we'll see.
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That was a long answer, but there you go.
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Jay Rochkin, he's asking you
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with Miranda the River and the show,
15:52
the way they mock Sansa before the wedding.
15:55
I mean, look, she's definitely a character
15:57
that gets a little bit under your skin for sure.
16:00
And I think she's be perfect for Ramsey,
16:02
but I'd say right now, Cersei Ramsey, Bolton,
16:09
those are Ramsey's father, either.
16:12
I think those are right now the actual villains,
16:15
right now especially Ramsey.
16:17
A man is so vindictive and so sadistic
16:22
and he just makes you want to punch through the screen
16:25
and hit him, but he's a great actor too
16:26
because he's, you know, it's kind of like Joffrey,
16:29
you know, they're listening
16:30
those type of reactions out of us,
16:32
which is the point, they're not supposed to be liked.
16:35
So I wouldn't call Miranda the villain of the show,
16:39
per se, like just her by herself.
16:41
I would say she's an antagonist for sure,
16:43
but I would say also those other characters
16:46
right now that, but yeah, right.
16:49
Yeah, I would say, you know, I agree with what Andrew was saying,
16:53
but I'm like, she didn't get to fully mock Sansa
16:55
because Sansa turned around and clapped back.
16:58
And she had with Nootah's Hell in a bathtub,
17:01
It makes you feel very vulnerable
17:02
and she was like, bitch, don't come for me right now.
17:04
It was basically what the subtext was.
17:07
So I really like that.
17:09
I do think that, you know,
17:12
because she likes Ramsey so much,
17:16
but then we got to see her Miranda specifically
17:20
in a vulnerable place with Ramsey,
17:22
where he's being a total prick to her,
17:24
of being like, don't worry after I'm done with Sansa,
17:28
like I'll still, you'll be around, right?
17:30
Like, and you're just like, oh, he's the worst.
17:33
So we're feeling the brunt of what she has to deal with
17:37
and she'd like loves the guy.
17:42
And we're dealing with like her jealousy, all of that juice.
17:47
It makes her not as villain-esque, right?
17:50
Because right now Ramsey is not a human to me.
17:55
Miranda is a little bit more of a human
17:59
only because we got the scene
18:01
where there's jealousy coming up,
18:03
which is a real human emotion.
18:04
And Ramsey is just Kuku bananas up here.
18:09
They're made for each other.
18:10
They're both so psychopaths,
18:13
but still you kind of get what I'm saying,
18:15
where I'm like, oh, they set it up nicely,
18:17
where we got to see Miranda in a vulnerable position.
18:21
So it's like when she mocks Sansa, we hate her,
18:24
but we don't hate her as much as Ramsey.
18:26
So I really do think like, real villain right now is Ramsey.
18:30
And just like after seeing this episode,
18:33
I wanna freaking kill him.
18:34
And if I don't get, if somebody doesn't kill him
18:37
by the time this whole show ends,
18:40
like they would never write that.
18:42
They would never write a villain like that
18:43
and have him get away with stuff.
18:46
He's just been on here so long that I'm like,
18:48
oh, bro, like you got it coming.
18:52
Like, I just said that reference.
18:55
I would also say Walter Frey as well,
18:57
even though we haven't seen him in a while.
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I'm trying to think.
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Who else do you think?
19:02
I'm trying to think who else?
19:06
Who do you think the hero is?
19:07
Oh, I would also say too,
19:09
the religious cold people.
19:12
Oh, the Golden Harpy people?
19:15
Yeah, the, the John, like the religious cold.
19:19
Yeah, I would say they're pretty whack-a-do crazy right now.
19:24
Who do you think the heroes are of these two episodes?
19:28
Oh, I would go definitely Terry and Jorah.
19:32
I would also say Sansa.
19:34
I would say, yeah, John Snow, of course.
19:36
I would say Baylish is also an antagonist as well,
19:39
because he's always, he's a very selfish human being.
19:41
He's always looking out for himself.
19:44
And he's keeping us on our toes
19:45
because we really don't know where he's going to go.
19:47
Never, never, but he's always, like I said,
19:49
he's always looking out for himself at the end of the day.
19:52
Yeah, but I really believe that he was like looking out for Sansa
19:56
and that's why I lost my mind when he goes into Cersei
19:59
and he says all the juice and I'm like, wait, okay.
20:02
This might have been his plan the entire time,
20:04
but right now I don't know, and that makes me scared.
20:07
Like, he's the worst.
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Okay, do you have any last thoughts for the people?
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No, I'm just excited to see what is going to happen.
20:18
The next, I guess, four episodes to finish the season.
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I can't wait hopefully for the dragons to be tamed.
20:24
And yeah, see what happens.
20:25
Yeah, we'll see, man.
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to show you how the business is built.
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What's key to making everything come together
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and why it matters to you.
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From iTunes impact on the music industry
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to the advent of AI,
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from the Taylor Swift ticket sales fiasco
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to bad bunnies, meteoric rise,
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we break down the stories, the numbers
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and the negotiations that shape the industry.
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I've been in the trenches of the entertainment industry
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for several decades with leadership roles
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at companies like Sony, Paramount and Give Records.
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My guests and I are going to provide
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the same thoughtful, concise insights
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that I'm trusted to bring on TV networks
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like CNN and NBC surrounding the industry
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and its culture defining moments.
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We'll touch on the business of music,
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filmmaking and streaming
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and the emerging technology of our time.
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If you've ever wondered what really happens
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behind the scenes of the entertainment business,
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this is a bite-size insider guide.
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Subscribe now on your favorite podcast platform
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or watch us on YouTube so you never miss a beat.
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Let's make sense of this industry together.