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3:04regarding any such matters. Hello, and welcome to another edition of the GEB America podcast. I'm your host, Stephen Gunn. With me today, I have my good friend, Dr. Carter, check joining the show. And Dr. Krashek is going to have a great time together today, ear in for a treat. Go tell somebody that they need to go watch this one and share it with them, say, hey, let's watch it together. It's going to be a good one for you. Before we jump right in, I do want to say just a quick thanks to Angel Studios Guild for supporting the GEB America podcast. Help bring stories that matter to life, join the guild at Angel Studios, forward slash guild. Also a big shout out to our friends at R2God, a peril for supporting GEB America podcast. Check out their bold faith-filled designs at r2god.com.

4:07I've got one of my favorite things they have is a hat, three nails crossed, and it's a throwable. So check them out and get your gear. Well, Dr. Krashek, it is a treat to have you finally get you on the show. We've talked about this for a little bit and knowing each other for a while now. And it's about time to sit down and share the story of all God's doing and doing with you and your life. And how you doing? Doing great, man. You're really honored to be here with you and to jump in. I love it. I love it. Well, hey, for those who don't know you like I do for last several years, tell somebody can just a little bit about yourself and how you get here. Yeah, so first off, I'm a dad and a husband and a believer in Christ. I'm a US Army veteran. I am an associate professor at OREU. My specialty field is moral health.

5:10I'm a board certified chaplain with a specialty competency and suicide prevention. And I'm an author of an Amazon best seller called Feeling in the Wild. There it is. I love it. Awesome. See, I couldn't do that part of that intro quite as good as you did. So I'm so glad I let you do all those because I would have forgotten something. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Well, and you know, I want to say that you're one of the guys. We've met up through some collaboration with some brotherhood and some guys of seeking Jesus and live in life fully. And I really appreciate all you've always stood out to me with your ingenious about your pursuit of Jesus and your genuine heart for others. I just, I want to say thank you and you honor the Lord well with that and you honor your brothers well with that. So I just want to say thanks for that. Yeah, thank you for that. Yeah. I'll sense that. Love that. Yeah. So obviously being a believer, follow Jesus.

6:10That's been something for you and your life for some time. That hasn't been just a recent thing, right? Like that's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while. But you know, I didn't grow up in church. Stephen, I actually, you know, most people go into the military and lose God. I actually went into the military and found God. And I think it's better said that God found me. There you go. I wasn't really looking for him. But my passion since, you know, coming to Christ is really helping people discover their purpose and what really, you know, look, everybody has problems. Right. Right. You show me someone who's connected to purpose and I'll show you someone who has the ability to like work through problems or around problems. Let's call them storms in their life, right? That almost like they don't exist. But you show me someone who doesn't have purpose and I'll show you someone who's probably having a lot

7:11of thoughts about maybe the world would be better without me. Yeah, purpose, purpose drives digs deep and drives and drives a lot of longevity forward. What else, what else are you thinking on that? Yeah, well, you know what? I think the enemy of our faith has done a really good job of getting believers positionally. Right. Christian faith here, getting believers positionally to where they're constantly trying to become something that they already are. And look, the Bible says we've all been given a measure of faith. And so faith is an our issue. Our issue is the levels of unbelief that we operate in and the enemy is does a really good job of like trying to come in and steal by inserting doubt and worry and fear about just our life in general. And it's kind of like that drop of water on a rock.

8:12It doesn't happen. You know, the rock doesn't split the first time the water drops on it. Yeah. It's over years of just consistent bombardment of your identity against your identity, against your belief structures. And then eventually there's a crack. And you know, I'd like to think that my job or my calling in the kingdom of God is to keep people alive long enough to hear the word. And that's not real awesome because, you know, most people who are in the kingdom of God, they want to be the harvester. You know, I want to, I want to be the one that leads people to the Lord and gets them baptized in the river and all of those things. But in my job specifically within the V.A. scope and as a chaplain and as an ethicist, I'm usually there just to show them that healing and purpose are still possible. And the harvest is like way downstream from that.

9:13But you know what? I've learned over the years, that's okay. It's okay. It's right where I'm supposed to be. Good. That's really good. Now this journey has led you to starting pinning your thoughts and writing down some of these things you kind of gained and learned along the way. How has that journey been for you in terms of becoming an author? Yeah, you know what? It's been really amazing. You know, and I shared with you, and I won't go into great detail, but I was reading a book over the beginning of the year. And that book really prompted me, kind of floored me where a gentleman had asked Billy Graham, what's one thing you wished you had done before, you know, here at the end of your life, which one thing you wished you had accomplished. And Mr. Graham said, I wished I had poured my life into 12 like Jesus did. And that statement floored me. And I'll tell you why it floored me. Well, number one, I mean, let's just be honest. Mr. Graham is probably responsible for preaching the gospel to billions and billions of people,

10:15maybe trillions, right? Right. Right. And probably just as responsible of that many people coming into the kingdom, but this concept, this notion, this understanding of brotherhood and community that he was talking about when he said, I wish that poured my life into 12, that discipleship pays really floored me. Man, I had to shut the book, I had to set it down. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolites, Zero Sugar and Vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolites. Chronic migraine is 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting four hours or more. Botox on a botulinum toxin A prevents headaches and adults with chronic migraine before they start. It's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month. It prevents on average eight to nine headache days a month versus six to seven for placebo. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms.

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12:20and network management details. I cried, and then I went to bed and when I woke up, I had covers for books. I had chapter maps for books. I'd never experienced that before in my life. And I sat down and I started writing. And I wrote this book in two and a half weeks. And since that day, I have completed 14 full manuscripts of books. And I just keep writing. It's like every time I sit down, I start writing. And I'm kind of in two lanes. One lane is very Jehovah Sneaky. It's very nature driven. And then the other one is highly Christo-centric, very the odds are very filled with scripture. And I like that because as a cab scout in the army, my job was to go and gain intelligence of the enemy. We just get close enough to see the enemy to figure out what information we need to give back

13:21to the main parts. So that we know how to encounter what's going on. And in my natural life, that's kind of how it's been. Like I'm just gaining intelligence and I'm helping people, I wanna say, how to use nature to help people unite with the Lord that normally wouldn't come into a clinical setting that wouldn't wanna listen to Pastor Billy Wilson or Billy Joe D'Arty or anybody like that, right? Right. And I'm super excited about this lane in my life because I feel like I'm helping people use the outdoors as a pathway to heal with trauma and grief and moral injury. But it's really rooted in my dissertation from Vanderbilt. It's called hunt therapy, hunt therapy. And when you hear the word hunt, I don't want you to think of like the killing and harvesting of animals. I want you to think about what do you need to hunt after

14:24for purpose in your life? And that's what it made me think about when that gentleman had the conversation with Billy Graham is like, I wish I'd poured my life into 12. Well, he was hunting after something. He was hunting after brotherhood, community, recreating himself where there's 12 more Billy Graham's and of course we know his son is that model or whatever. But he had a desire for more of that and it really drove me to write because I really felt like writing was my greatest opportunity to influence others and to find my 12. And when I woke up that next day, I had 12 books. Now that's grown into like 18 books just from the Healing and the Wild series. But they're all geared towards, outdoors isn't just about sport, it's about survival, it's about community and it's about rediscovering purpose. So the thing about the outdoors is it does some things in the natural

15:24that if we just remove scripture for a second, it's not the scripture is not important. But we got a cast of broad net, right? Nature resets the nervous system. Just watching like this sunrise behind me for my farm, there's no way you could sit there and watch that and not think, man, there's something bigger than me at play, right? Right, right, exactly. That's exactly right. I mean, obviously I've grown up a Christian in my whole life too and have a construct for that. But like I'm thinking back to my days, even just being a Boy Scout and going out and hiking and camping every month, we did. And so many of those sunsets and the moon and the stars and just being out like that, walking around and seeing that. And you can't not go, wow, I'm kind of small in the grand scheme of how big that is and that doesn't just happen, you know?

16:25Yeah, that can't just happen like that. And so that's so true. We really are. You know what's interesting is, think about this for a second. Just let's just think about Jesus for a second. When Jesus is driven into the wilderness by the Holy Spirit, he's driven into the wild. He wasn't driven into Bible college. He wasn't driven into the synagogue. He wasn't driven over into O.R.U. not that none of those things are great, right? But he was driven into the wild, right? Because wilderness experiences restore a sense of belonging and he fought the devil directly in the wilderness on solo. So the wild, it's not just a place to go. It's a place inside you that needs to be healed. It's a place inside you that needs direction, right? And think of all the times that Jesus is doing ministry and he separates himself to go pray.

17:25Now where did he separate himself to? Mountain sides, peaks like places, gardens, right? It's all these really cool things that we, I think we forget that before there was a temple, there was a garden. And God walked with Adam and Eve in the cool of the day, right? And healing in the wild, the concept of being in nature brings people back into creation where distractions quiet down and the heart opens up to the presence of God. And I think that is the importance of like why healing in the wild, right? Mm-hmm. You can only hear the voice of the Holy Spirit which is still small voice in solitude. And when you learn to hear his voice in the wild, when you're in the noise, you recognize it like that because it's so distinctly different. Right.

18:25That's good. Yeah, because if you can't hear it in learning to try to train, learn to hear it in the busyness of everything else, it's harder than it is to learn in the solitude place. To be able to train and hear, and train your voice, like you said, the process to where you are going from both areas. That's good. I like that. I like that a lot. And you know what? Healing doesn't just always happen in an office. Right. Sometimes it starts with a walk in the woods or a round of golf or a day on the water and a boat, right? Every day people can access that anytime. You don't need to be a hunter to heal in the wild, right? You know, I think about stripping away the noise. Many people who struggle with faith or who don't know Jesus are usually weighed down by shame or trauma or a sense that the church isn't for them, right?

19:28Whether that's an experience that they've had in church or whether that's, you know, that place that a lot of people who aren't believers, the enemy convinces them everybody's a hypocrite, right? And that, and he'll use that fog of deception as long as he can. It only takes me in one genuine believer to like bust that up, right? Right. Healing in the wild brings people back into creation and it's where those distractions slow down, right? In the wild, performance is gone because there's no stage. There's no pews. There's no pressure. You just have creation reflecting the creator. And I believe what that does is that openness often becomes the first step toward hearing his voice, right? And for a struggling Christian, because a lot of my healing in the wild series is not directly, is it directly connected towards believer? Yes. But it's also directly connected towards anybody.

20:29And the outdoors rekindles awe. Like you can't stand on a 12,000 foot peak and look down and be like, oh, yeah, this is normal. No, it's, it's awe-stricken, right? So it reminds you, whether you believe in God or not, it reminds you of the majesty when words have lost power, right? There aren't, there aren't words magnificent enough to describe that sunrise behind me. Okay. And for someone who doesn't know Jesus, the wild provides an encounter before an explanation. There's an experience of peace. There's an experience of belonging. There's an experience of love that can only point to the creator. So every trail, every hunt, every sunrise can become the parable. And just as Jesus used fishing and farming and nature to teach, healing in the wild uses outdoor experiences to help people see spiritual truths, death in a new life, see time and harvest, storms and still waters, right?

21:32These metaphors lead hearts toward Christ in a natural spirit-led way. And what's important about that is it's not just about recovery. It's about remembering you were created with purpose. So for struggling Christians who to rediscover their true identity in Him, right? And even seekers, they taste the reality that their love, that they're chosen, that they're not forgotten, and that Jesus is the one they've been searching for all along. I remember sitting with a veteran, Stephen, who told me flat out and it said, it's hit chapel and I don't do church. I don't belong there. That's what he told me. And he had been carrying so much guilt and shame from his deployments that he couldn't even imagine that God would want it. So you know what we did? We went out in the woods instead of a chapel. He carried his boat. I carried mine. And we walked in silence for a while. And at one point, we stopped and we watched the sun

22:34breaking through the trees. It was on a hunt with me. And he got quiet. And I could see something shift in him. And he whispered, because you know, we're deer hunting. So we don't want to be the right guy. I got to be the right guy. He said, I feel peace. For the first time in years, I feel peace. And I told him that peace has a name. It's Jesus. And he meets us right here in the wild without judgment. And that dated and end with a sermon or an alter call. It ended with tears with a release and with him realizing that the God he thought that had abandoned him, right, was right there beside him. And healing in the wild became a doorway for him to meet Christ in a way that was real and it was personal. And free of all the barriers that he thought stood in the way like religion, right? Reliciosity and all of that. And that's what's important.

23:34I love being Jehovah Sneaky. I love that Christ has the ability to meet people in so many different ways and nature is really one of the best. Yeah, I am, man, that's good. Well, and I think I was thinking earlier, you mentioned it in passing, but you also have had the chance to help veterans on the golf course. Yeah. And you've had a chance to have that where it's your shoot around a golf and you're out in a very casual place and people are just comfortable shooting and talking and Jehovah Sneaky shows up. The moment I give the place to them to have that kind of, it's a competition a little bit, but it's also just fun. And you're so tell them about that. How's that work for you too? Yeah, you know what I've learned about golf and I haven't been playing a very long time, but golf forces you to slow down. Especially if you're, especially when you play, if you walk the course as you're playing and you're not just riding around in a car, you know, it forces you to slow down,

24:36but it also forces you to be intentionally present. Like you can't, when you line up to hit that golf ball, you can't think about the last shot you had, whether it was good or bad, or the next shot you're gonna have, whether it's gonna be good or bad, you have to focus on the moment at hand. And what's amazing is when you'll play around a golf with a veteran or a first responder, or let's just say any human that has experienced loss or trauma, they're not thinking about that. So if you can go around a golf without thinking about it, then you learn that, you know what? I'm in control of this, because I think you would agree with me, Stephen, that trying to forget is worse than remembering. And the reason it's worse is not only do you deal with the compounding anxiety of remembering, you're dealing with the anxiety that you're trying to forget and you can't. And somebody a long time ago said time heals all wounds and what a lie, right? There are some wounds that time will never heal.

25:38What time does is it gives you an opportunity to be strengthened against those wounds, right? You can decide, you know what? No, I can do this. And so golf is just as good a therapeutic tool as the actual sport of hunting, a sport of hunting, or shooting archery or wakeboarding, or cold plunging, it doesn't matter what it is, right? If it causes you to reset, you know, I wrote healing in the wild because I saw too many veterans and first responders, which is my context that I work in, right? Sure, I saw too many carrying wounds that traditional settings weren't touching. And the outdoors gave me and others away to process pain, to grieve, right? To rediscover life. And I wanted to put that pathway into people's hands, you know, the secret, my secret is, I just wrote about my model of self-care

26:38from having adverse childhood experiences into my military life, into transitioning out of military into that. And it's not something that's just unique to veterans and first responders, it's unique to humans, right? Laws is the common connector of all experiences that are traumatic in our life. What did we lose? And what makes the outdoors so powerful for healing is that nature calms the nervous system, it restores perspective. It reminds us that we're a part of something bigger. And what that does is that opens the door to purpose and hope again. And whether you see purpose and hope as like a Christo-centric thing, or just like a common life thing, hope is a powerful force. It's something that we all need, right? And for veterans and first responders or anybody who's carried trauma or loss, you don't have to hunt or fish. You don't have to play golf.

27:40It's about finding healing in any part of the outdoors. So where it's golfing or hiking or planting a garden in your backyard, all of those things start to restore purpose. So where traditional forms of therapy ask you to talk about your wounds, the wild gives you space to embody healing through movement, through ritual, through stillness, through community. That's really important. And it complements therapy by adding like a soul level reset. To me, that's, you know, and I get this a lot because it's hunt therapy right is my nonprofit. And I talk a lot about hunting because hunting is that part of my self care. That's important. Hunting is just one metaphor. Healing in the wild is about connection to creation. So you can heal, you can heal cast and align fishing, walking through the woods, swinging your golf club. The key is presence, not performance.

28:42That's the thing, the key is presence, not performance. Where moral health, where mental health often focuses on symptoms, right? Are you anxious or dear or you're depressed? Do you have PTSD? Moral health, which is a super important conversation. It's what led me to my PhD work, right? It goes deeper because it asks, what gives your life meaning? What helps you belong? What keeps you alive when pain is overwhelming? Like what's the level where true healing happens? And that's a part of our moral health, not just our mental health, not our spiritual health, not our physical health, but what moral health, right? That's good. I think that's a concept I think that more need to actually entertain, you know, to really dig into what does that look like? The moral health, you know, in society, I'm thinking of a society right now. The moral health on a lot is off and wounded.

29:45And that's a really big conversation. So talk about a little bit about how did you get, so how did you get to that driving into your dissertation? Because I know this generation isn't all too long ago. I know this was, this was a year or two years ago, when you finished the dissertation? Yeah, in May of 23, I finished and graduated from Vandy. And of course, I'm a suicide prevention specialist. And so... Botox on a botchaline mtoxin A prevents headaches and adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those who have 14 or fewer headache days a month. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor.

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31:46for half the cost. Tap the banner to switch today. Terms apply, standard rate applies at month 13. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Oh, in my life, what I have seen is there's a lot of attention given to data around suicide that leads up to the point of death. And that information's important, Stephen. Don't get me wrong. Like we need to know what leads to death. But I had this sneaky suspicion that gathering a bunch of data about what causes people to die isn't the best to show people why they should live. And so if we really want to get into suicide prevention, we need to show people how to flourish as human living, right? Yes. Well, in my field, doctor of ministry degrees or theological degrees aren't given the height of priority that a PhD would, right?

32:46And trust me, I have fought God all along the way with my academic, you know, it's like, no, here's another one. You go for another one. And I can tell you that my passion has driven it because of this. To be a primary investigator and do the type of research that I wanted to do and will do it, I've been doing. I really needed a research driven degree. So I started, I'm four classes away from my PhD in healthcare ethics. So why did you go healthcare ethics? Well, moral injury, which is something that is not just a veteran in a first responder thing and it's simply a violation of what's right to you, okay? Moral injury is something that causes a lot of people that I work with to end their life because it's broken trust and autonomy and identity and competence, right? Where you really feel like, you know, I'm unworthy. I'm helpless, I'm hopeless, okay? Well, so in that pathway,

33:49I really wanted to start to measure folks who had been flagged high risk for suicide that now are flourishing a year, five years, 10 years later. What have you been doing? Yeah. Did you get in a, did you get, did you get in a Bible study? Did you, you know, where did you get remarried? Did you get a service dog? Did you start hunting or fishing? You know, do you like river ref? Whatever it is, I don't really, it can be a lot of things. But I believe the way we help people decide not to die is we show them great reasons to live, right? And showing how people have flourished is important. And in the same sense, a focus on moral injury is a fragment where focusing on moral health because moral injury would be an injury to whatever you conceptualize as being morally healthy. And a part of that conversation, a lot of my PhD work, I write about that conceptualization of moral health. But I separate morality from religion in the same way I separate spirituality from religion.

34:52You can be spiritual and not religious. You can be moral and not religious, atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Christians. Are all, you know, can be moral. Now, our belief structure might inform that and definitely does. But if we separate that, then moral health, man, even today, right, when you can get on your phone and you can watch people stab the death, shock the death, you know, over and over and over. Right. Which we don't have enough time to get into the problems that that is causing, you know, in our society. Right. We can see that morality is like, it's super important in this time that we're living in. Right. And so that's really what pushed me and motivated me for that work. And for probably one thing, you're still here that means your story isn't finished and healing is possible. Even in the wild places in your life, right? And if you're still here, guess what?

35:53If you still hold the pen, you get to write how the story ends. And that's super important. Once you take yourself out of this world, you don't get to write how your story ends. Someone else writes it for you. That's good. That's really good. Somebody else needs to hear that again. Say that last sentence, that last part one more time. That was, I think that was, those are crux for somebody that you hear that today. And I'll add something to it. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Regardless of what you've been in through your life, the hell, the highest, the lows. If you're still here, you're operating at 100% success rate. Now, I don't know what else you operated at 100% in, but that's a really good one. Yeah. And as long as you hold the pen, you get to write how your story ends. Nobody else writes it for you. That's right. And if you're still here, that means there's a purpose and going after the purpose. So what I would challenge you to do is try your best to not think about why this happened or why. The why there's, there, let's be honest about some,

36:56we might never know why. Why did you get abused? Why did you have a miscarriage? Why did you're about all your battle buddies get blown up and you did? I mean, I could give you story after story, right? Of the wise, the wise. But let's try to figure out how, how do we move forward? Yes. How do I rediscover purpose? And the way you do that is you don't relinquish your pen. You hold onto it. You're still here. Your life still matters. That means there's purpose connected to it. If you write how you want your story to end and you can start today, doesn't matter what happened in the past. You can start today. This is it. This is the action point. That's man, that's good. Well, I think I'm actually going to let that be our, our, our point of, of, of action and our point of challenge for our audience. I don't think I need to, to wrap up anymore because I think that is, that is the point for today. We talk about helping people live well here at G.E.B.

37:56That's our, our kind of our theme, our motto, if you will. And I think that is a key point, is that you are here for purpose. If you don't know what it is, how can somebody get, reach, I'll get a hold of you, Dr. Check, on website, books, whatever, how do you want to? Well, so at the end of the day, Stephen, healing in the wild is more than a book. Okay. It's a reminder that wounds in your life don't get the final word. You're still here. There's a reason for that. And the wild can help you find it. So thank you for letting me share the mission. The way you can find healing in the wild, is you can go on Amazon, you can find it, just about every audio platform. It's, it's fairly new, so it's not on audible yet, but it's coming any day, but you get on Spotify, Apple Podcast, almost any other. You can go to www.DrCarterCheck.com and you can find everything you need to know about me.

38:56There's links to mine on profit. There's links to my academic stuff. There's links to the book. Cool. We'll put that in the, the cliff notes of the, the notes of the show for sure, for those who want to do that. And would you just close us out in prayer, pray, pray for audience, pray for those who are watching this today? Yes, absolutely. Father, just thank you for your son, Jesus. Thank you for the Holy Spirit that you sent to teach and guide us into all truth. God, let that truth be the thing that guides us every day into your, into your calling for our lives. God, I specifically speak to anything that would distract or confuse someone in their life that would compete for your presence in our life. God, I speak to those specific things and I dissolve them in the name of Jesus. God, we thank you for your grace. We thank you for your strength. And we thank you that our lives as we move forward

39:59are gonna be better and better because we stay connected to you in Jesus name. Amen. Well, on behalf of Dr. Carter Check and myself, Stephen Gennier-Hose today, the G.B. Mark of podcast. Thank you for listening. Make sure you subscribe, like, share, comment. We'd love to hear from you. Send this to somebody who was a blessing to you that you know they need to hear this. And we'll see you next time with the next G.B. Mark of podcast. Until then, keep living well with Jesus. Thank you for joining us for the G.B. America podcast. Be sure to follow us or subscribe on the podcast platform you prefer. Also, take a moment and share this great content with your friends and family. You will find us on Facebook, X, Instagram, and Pinterest. When you shop pick up at Fred Meyer, you can expect the same thing as the one you've been doing. You can find the link in the description on the description box below. If you don't like it, be sure to subscribe. We'll see you next time. Be sure to follow us on the podcast.

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