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Today on the Grave Talks,

Gettysburg Ghosts.

A conversation with Dale Kasmerik.

If there were one place in the United States

that one could almost guarantee any would-be ghost hunter

to come across activity,

it would be the battlefields of Gettysburg.

Would literally tens of thousands of souls

lost in a period of just a few days.

The ripple effects of the lives lost would forever change

the lives of millions of individual family members

of these soldiers across the nation,

leaving a lasting scar or imprint on the land

where these horrific battles took place.

When exploring this area,

Dale Kasmerik has captured an utterly unique

and at times shocking communication trend

with what could be the souls of those who lost their lives

on this hollowed ground.

Well, Gettysburg is one place I've always

went to, seems like over and over again.

I've been there about, oh man,

maybe about a dozen times.

It has a lot to do with the battlefield itself.

Obviously, I mean, I kind of consider myself

a marital, a marital,

when it comes to a civil war battlefields,

it's one of the areas I really,

really like getting involved with.

The very first time I was at Gettysburg

was back in about 1994 or 1993, actually.

And I was able to meet Mark Nezbeth,

who has written a number of books on the Ghost of Gettysburg.

He was able to show me around,

talk about a lot of the places on the battle

and later on, we were able to do some investigations

on the battlefield, even though the battle field

and most civil war places and national parks,

they don't really appreciate Ghost of Gettysburg so much.

Basically, the park is open to 10 o'clock at night,

no matter what time of the year it is.

So, typically, you could be out there until 10 o'clock

in the dark if you want to do investigations

of perfectly legal, and that's what we did.

We began setting up equipment at different locations,

some in particular that had a lot of violence.

The whole battlefield was pretty much violent,

but there were some areas that were much more violent

than others like the triangular field,

doubles dead, a little round top, a pickage charge,

and places like that.

We began to pick up some really strange EVPs,

some strange photographs.

I actually talked to dozens of people

that had been there in the past.

I've actually collected a lot of material

from people that were just out there

taking ordinary photographs,

they got what looks like kind of hazy images

of civil war soldiers,

and these are not reenactors because it's wasn't

at the time that reenactors were going on

in the battlefield.

They're usually around the time of the battle

July 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

And this is like in the winter time,

later in the summer, early in the spring.

So, it really began to spark my interest

to try to find more information about this,

and to obviously use better and better equipment

as the time to went on.

When I went out there in 1993,

I didn't have the kind of equipment I have now.

So, I was able to use a lot of different equipment

during our last trip,

which just happened in this past August.

We were able to actually get out there

even during decoded safely,

and you'll conduct a very thorough investigation

of several parts of the battlefield.

In particular, again, we set up at locations

that had a lot of, I would say, a lot more

untimely death than any other locations.

We had set up at the triangular field

with slash devil's den area.

We went to a place, obviously,

where Pickett's Charge took place.

We also went to a place that maybe a lot of people

just don't know about, it's called Iverson's Pits.

And Iverson's Pits was a pretty interesting area.

It was a location that was

during the first day of the battle,

where Colonel Iverson was supposed

to be trying to find the union right,

and this was a Confederate outfit.

And unfortunately, as most generals do,

they would lead, by example.

Well, Colonel Iverson just told his men,

just, hey, go on out there,

I'm going to be in the back of a battle here.

And unfortunately, when they came up to a little rise,

kind of like a stone wall,

they got within, I would say, maybe about

roughly a couple hundred feet.

And a whole slew of union soldiers

popped up behind that wall

and sent a devastating fire

into the approaching Confederates,

dropping about 50% of them in the first valley.

It was a pretty devastating,

I mean, they were in a completely open field.

They had no way to return fire or anything like that.

And they began to surrender literally.

And later on, Colonel Iverson was relieved

of his command because of that.

No, we had set up there on a couple of occasions

because we got some crazy stuff.

I was out there with a digital camera.

And I like to shoot a series of fast photographs.

And I like to call them like flash photographs.

Yeah, flash.

You just take one picture after another.

And see what you can,

just kind of hold the camera steady and just snap it up.

Well, I had five photographs taken,

looking into the field where this charge came from.

And the first two were perfectly normal.

This last two were perfectly normal.

But the one in the middle,

there was a blur that comes out from the left hand side of frame.

And when you look at it very carefully,

and I believe I have that up on my website,

you can actually see what it looks like,

a chestnut colored blur,

which is very unusual because a lot of the Confederates were

dressed in that chestnut colored

tannish kind of outfits.

I mean, they had gray,

but a lot of them had this what they're called chestnut color.

And it was very unusual.

I, when I reviewed my photographs immediately,

I caught it.

I tried some more.

Of course, I didn't get it.

It was like one of those,

you know, you have to be there,

pointing at the right place at the right time, I guess.

I can't explain it.

It wasn't a windy night.

There wasn't any leaves blowing around.

I have no explanation for what caused it.

But throughout the evening,

we were, again, setting up with a number of people from my group

and other groups that I wanted to kind of tag along,

which we often network with other groups

to go to places like this,

especially, you know, big open areas.

And we got pretty amazing EVP at that

Iverson's pits.

Now, we were using an S-Box,

which is kind of like a spirit box.

I guess that's S-Box stands for.

It's another variation of that.

And there was a,

right where that stone wall was,

there were a number of markers

that kind of said, well,

this is what this little company was,

and this little company was,

and this little company was from.

And one of them

was from the 12th Massachusetts Regiment.

And we were

doing an EVP session.

A question was asked, where are you from?

And the device said Boston,

which is amazing, because Boston is obviously in Massachusetts.

And the unusual thing about this

is this happened in when we played it in reverse.

When we got the initial EVP thing

came through, it didn't sound like anything.

So a lot of times I will take,

taken in my, you know, different programs I used for analysis,

audacity and

Dolby Audition and others,

to see if I can make sense of it.

And you reverse it.

And I tell you, it is plain as death saying Boston,

which is pretty clear.

We also got a voice

in the background.

And this was a disembodied voice

that we actually heard that said charge.

Which again, which is very unusual,

considering wherever you were at.

And what had happened at that location.

I want to stop and just ask a question to you about the audio that you got.

And Boston being in reverse.

What do you make of that?

Is that a common thing that you find in EVPs

that the audio is being picked up in reverse?

Or it was that kind of a rare thing?

It's kind of a rare thing.

I first discovered that decades ago,

when I worked with a very interesting person called Sarah E Step.

Now Sarah E Step found that the American Association for Electronic Voice Phenomena.

And she was a pioneer in the field.

She would often use open real tape recorders

to do the her EVPs sessions.

Yes.

And sometimes use white noise and sometimes use pink noise.

But she'd always try to do them about the same time.

And sometimes she'd get regular that she would call droppings

that were there all the time.

Now she discovered that through many, many, many thousands and thousands of hours

that some of the replies did not make any sense until she reversed it.

Now, when you, obviously, the only way you can reverse back then

was that you took one of the reels off.

You twisted the tape and then you put it back on the reel and played it.

So it would actually play that other,

I guess you'd call it side B or B side in reverse.

So you'd actually hear her talking in reverse and then you'd hear the voice come through

forward, talking with the response that was perfectly clear.

And she had a number of these that she had picked up, which I have many examples

that I was able to work with her on several occasions.

I felt quite lucky before she died.

She put together a book called Voices of Eternity.

I was able to pick up and purchase a number of her cassette tapes at that time.

So she had how far that goes back of examples of this that she was actually talking about.

So the real idea is wonderful.

And I've been actually trying to express that on the air for years,

just having worked in radio for 20 some years.

If you use a reel to reel recorder, and I'm wondering if she did this, and you could probably

tell me, if you're using a reel to reel, the audio that is being then played typically

through a reel to reel, you can, there's a little speaker on many of them.

It's delayed by a cut like a second or so.

So you could actually, because I've said this, if you went out to capture EVPs and you wanted

to hear the audio in somewhat real time, you could do that with a reel to reel because it's

playing back the audio that it's recording. You're not just hearing it as a headphone would be.

And so I've always wondered why, I mean, besides that they're giant and bulky,

but the idea would be to hear the EVPs in almost real time, not necessarily having to wait

and go back and listen to them later. Exactly. The thing with the reel to reel tape recorders,

and even cassette tapes, and even a hi-8s tapes, and even death with a called audio tapes.

Yes, yes, yes. It didn't last very long, but it was around for a while.

Sure. All those, if you look on the box, it says magnetic recording tape.

Yep. And magnetic recording tape is sensitive, obviously,

magnetic field. So what we believe is happening in many cases where we get voices coming through

on audio tapes, especially on either the reverse side or in real time that come through here,

we don't hear them because the theory is that they may be bypassing the physical microphone

and imprinting their voices and responses directly onto the magnetic recording tape.

And that's something that's fascinated me for a number of years because we have

used portable, five-inch reel, open reel tape recorders, and going back to, like I say, the old

analog cassette tapes and so forth, and we've got some interesting things on going back on analog,

and going backwards in time instead of going to the digital format, going back to the old school

format, and very often getting some pretty interesting results.

Yeah. Would you say, I mean, if you had a choice to be using something out there,

would you prefer earlier magnetic tape versus the digital products today for audio capture?

What we often try to do when we're doing experiments with that is we do both at the same time.

We will run digital recorders at the same time or running cassette tape recorders or open

reel tape recorders to see if whatever we're capturing are captured on both devices.

Unfortunately, we haven't had any success capturing so far on both. It's usually either one or the

other, which is kind of interesting, I guess. Most often, when we're doing experiments with both,

most often, we're capturing around the old school stuff rather than the the new digital stuff.

Which, you know, I mean, a digital file is nothing that you can actually hold in your hand,

as you know, it's just a series of ones and zeros. And basically, it's something that you can,

obviously, very easily put into an analyzer program of some kind and see where the EDP is,

if it's within a certain frequency range. Very often, we believe that our ears, our ears,

register something between 20 hertz and 20,000 hertz somewhere in that area. If the EDP falls above

or below that, then obviously we did not hear it when it was being recorded. And most likely,

it could be a true EDP because it's beyond the range or hearing. It's something that we pick up

that we record, but our human ears don't hear until after playback.

How often is it that when you look back and you're really analyzing the EDPs into the different

ranges that the human ear can't hear, but then you pull it in in a way that can be heard that you

find audio there versus just plain as day within the range that we would be hearing in.

I was out of question.

It is probably a poorly worded one as I'm trying to get my idea out there. When you're trying to

to pick out the EDPs that are in the audio range that's not audible to people,

you have that and you may find something there. Where do you more frequently find the audio,

the one that's plain as day within our range that we can hear, or more hidden in ranges that

the human ear otherwise can't find?

Well, that's kind of interesting because, first of all, if it's in a range that we can hear

that most likely is going to be a disembodied voice, that we're all going to be able to hear

audibly and then we're also going to be able to record. Now, we've had many examples of that.

We have had examples where a lot of examples where we don't hear things and they later pick up

on playback and I believe that has allowed to do with the ability of these devices to capture

audio signals, audio transmissions of some kind that are in a wide range of frequencies,

even above and below, we can actually hear and it's that the devices are sensitive enough to

pick up those extreme frequencies, transpose them onto a file which then we later can play back

and then actually hear what we use a lot of times nowadays is we're using a lot of these

real-time devices that we can actually can hear the response in real-time, the obelis, the ghost

box, many portals, the s boxes, you know, things of that nature, even devices like the Phasma Box,

which I'm a great advocate of, it's an application, but we have got absolutely amazing full

sentences and responses to questions where asked. So a lot of times now we're actually hearing the

voice in real-time through these different real-time devices, but again, when we're not using

these devices or we're doing just going back to just a regular old-fashioned old-school EVP

session, then we're able to pick up some of the voices that we don't hear at the time when we're

doing the recording. Let's go back to the battlefield and talk more about what you were capturing

there. I mean, we kind of got onto our topic of EVPs. You were talking about the the spirit saying

the name or the word Boston in reverse. What else did you find when you were investigating in that

area? Well, quite a bit. We actually had my name called out, which was kind of cool, and I've had

that happen before, which is pretty interesting. It's a very clear Dale. I've actually had

a session, and I'm just kind of bounce around here a little bit with how I remember. We were doing

something, I picked it's charge, and we actually got the word fall. I don't know if that means fall back,

or it means that a bunch of people fell. That came through. That was a distant voice that came

through. That was actually a true, distant body voice that we actually heard at the time,

and we know it wasn't caused by anybody from our group because we were perfectly quiet when we're

doing stuff. We actually heard gunshots and rapid fire gunshots over at both Iverson's pits,

and also at the Devil's Den in the triangular field. Now, we were up on the rocks in Devil's Den.

I don't know if you've ever been there on Gettysburg in Devil's Den. It's kind of a tricky area to go

in the daylight, even trickier to be at night because it's going to be careful. Some of the rocks

were slick and you don't want to fall. We were just sitting up there, and it was interesting that we

had a group down in the triangular field below us, and we were up on the high ground. At first,

we had two-way radios. We had our people telling us that they were hearing gunshots down in

the field. At first, I said, I didn't hear them. I kind of chalked it up to being some sort of

acoustic anomaly, where it might have something to do with the elevation, the density of the air.

We were up higher. They were lower. All different types of possible variations for that,

but then towards the end of that session that we were doing up on the Devil's Den,

we did hear two or three, what sounded like either a distant cannon fire or a musket fire.

This was in August. This was well after the 4th of July. There weren't anybody shooting fireworks

out there. I guess I can't rule out that maybe somebody was shooting a gun out there and doing

some nighttime hunting somewhere, but it wasn't just one or two shots. These were rapid

rapid fire, like a whole series of muskets going off at the same time, which I thought was really

pretty amazing. We haven't got other EVPs in the triangular field. One that came over a

faint voice that actually came through just a regular old-school EVP session that said,

hand them over. I assumed that it means something like somebody got captured and your hand

them over somebody else and take these people out of here. Some of the craziest ones that we got

had liked to go through real quick. I'd love to. When we were at

Picket's Charge, there's a section called the Angle, which is where they call it the High Water

Mark. It's where the Union, the Confederate soldiers, led by the Confederate General Lewis Armistead,

came through a bustle through that stone wall and got into trying to turn the guns on the Union

Army. We were sitting right there where that happened in darkness. I just asked,

what did you think of the charge? I was asking anybody, but in particular, George Picket,

if he was around, and we were using a phasmobox at that time, which is an application.

The response we got says, I think it was stupid. And we all know that this wasn't a really good

idea by General Lee. I guess General Lee thought that the first two days he attacked

the left flank at one time, the right flank at one day. So Lee thought that they were going to

reinforce their flanks, and the center should be more vulnerable. So that's why he sent those 12,000

men across more than a mile march and having the whole battlefield and open areas,

through with Confederate soldiers. We also got another interesting device at the angle.

I asked the question, it was during a series of other questions we had asked, but the question

I had asked specifically was, what should I do? And the voice came through with says, lower your

piece, meaning you're done, which was pretty cool. We got voices that were singing, we got six shots.

This one at Iverson's pits was very interesting too. And again, I'm bouncing back and forth here,

but we were doing a live Facebook at the time. And we're kind of talking about where we were at,

where at Iverson's pits, when the device suddenly said, somebody's been shot, and I continue,

I was saying, well, several hundred people were shot here. And then the device interjected again

if you were shot. So it was like I'm talking about the history, what went on there. And that's what

we often notice when we go to locations, whether it be battlefields or wherever. Once you start

talking about the history, what has happened there in the past, it kind of stirs up something.

And it's like those people, those spares that are just there still around, hanging around for

some reason, they want to interject something. And it just was really cool, some of the stuff that

we got there. And you know, nothing really visual. Again, of course, the visual is something,

we did get some, we did get one interesting kind of interesting visual. We were using a

flair device. And I'm not a really big advocate of flair devices because a flair device,

a flair camera or some sort of thermal vision camera basically uses a contact reading.

It has to reflect off of something to give a cold spot, a hot spot, or whatever. It doesn't just

give you the air being cold. That's not the way those devices are used. So for that to be used

in the paranormal field, the ghost or the spirit would have to have some form of mass that the

when you turn the device on and you pointed at something, it's going to reflect off of that

person and give a hot cold or intermediate signal. We were in irisons pits again. It was a very

active area. It's why we keep going back there. And again, it's an area that not too many people

know about. So we usually have no contamination out there at all. We got what looks like three

shadowy, dark figures, black, meaning ice cold that were that were in the field and they

suddenly just disappeared. We hadn't even moved the device. We were pointing it at this.

Somebody called me. I went over there and was watching the thing. In fact, this on our YouTube

channel is also on our ghostresearch.org website. The people can see that. The last one I want to

talk about real quickly is again, something over at pickets charge. And again, we were at the angle

kind of creepy at night. I asked General Armistone. He almost broke the line. And again,

the phasma box says, yeah, yeah, I did. So I mean, when you get stuff like that coming through

the phasma box, and again, this is an application. I know a lot of people are going to hammer me for

this. But there are only a few applications that I believe that can be legit or at least can

give you a response. I mean, you'll get a lot of garbage that comes through. You'll get a lot of

words that don't make any sense. More often than not. But on some occasions, and we're getting it

more and more. We were at another location. We were at a small cemetery. We asked how many graves

were here. It says more than a hundred. We were at a location where it was kind of like a playthrough

walk through haunted house type scenario where they dress up for Halloween. They had an old fuse

box. It was not connected to anything. We had an SLS camera. We saw figure standing next to that.

I asked, turn that switch on. Turn those turned those lights on. The phasma box says it doesn't work.

That wraps up the first part of our conversation with Dale Casameric. We're going to talk

about ghost apps with Dale even more. And what he thinks of these apps versus standalone equipment.

And ones that are good and not so good in his opinion. Do areas that some more violence produce

more evidence in Gettysburg? Does Dale think that spirits can choose to show themselves to us,

or do we just happen to catch small glimpses of them beyond their control? And when you hear the

gunshots going off in Gettysburg, are we hearing residual sounds or is there an alternate world

where that battle is still going on? And does residual energy ever wear off? Until next time for

the Grave Talks, I'm Tony Brusky. Thanks for your support and thanks for listening.

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