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Welcome to part two of our conversation

with Dale Cazmeric about the Gettysburg Ghosts.

Tell me, when I talk about the apps for a moment,

and I want to get your opinion on it,

but I'm very curious about this one

that you're talking about specifically.

This is just an app that you could download

in the app store of whatever device you're using.

Explain it to me a little bit more.

Sure. It's an application called

PhasmaBot.

And it can be found.

And I'll give them a plug, obviously.

There's StreamSenses.com.

It's 1495.

You get two applications.

Actually, you get the original Phasma Box

and you get the Optimo version,

which actually has the award generator.

But it also has a novelist kind of built in,

so it displays the words as well.

What this device is supposed to do,

and they have some very nice YouTube videos

that actually show and explain

how this device or how this application works

and to do like a short EVP session

and what came through,

which is pretty amazing,

even under the demonstration,

which kind of sold me.

But what it is, it's a device,

assuming an application

that uses internet radio and sound banks

mixed with a reverb and echo effect.

I understand people again are going to say,

what's just like a ghost box

because you're using like sound banks

or like scanning AMF from frequencies.

I'll give you that.

But we don't pay much attention

to all the garbage that comes through.

Like, you know, we might ask the question,

how old are you and it says red?

That makes no sense.

I mean, we just eliminate all that.

And we just keep asking questions,

and then we might get something

like what I just described here,

Gettysburg,

which were very interesting ones.

Like we had another one,

giving another example,

pick a charge,

we were at the angle.

I said,

are you guys hungry?

Are the device responded with,

yeah, I am.

And then we follow up the question,

you want some beef jerky

and the device says beef jerky

followed by more.

Wow.

I mean, when you get something like that,

I mean, it's just how do you explain that?

Exactly.

I mean, for to know the context of the conversation,

it's not just to not random words.

It's contextually to what you're talking about.

And there is no explaining it other than there's

something of some sort of consciousness

that is utilizing this program

or whatever device it is you're getting that through.

Now, we tried to debunk some of these initially.

So I have a friend from another group.

He's a strong believer,

but he also seasons everything,

but skepticism,

as I do, especially new equipment and new apps.

And he said, well, maybe,

because first of all, the fast in the box

can only be used with a tablet

or a laptop.

Excuse me.

God, I believe it's like.

Yeah, it looks like it's a Windows program.

Windows thing.

So so basically you have to use it through that.

So he said, well, maybe,

just maybe what you're doing is you're broadcasting

your questions and somebody out there,

a real person's hearing it and responding back to you.

I was like, I said, it was really kind of a strange

possible scenario.

So I said, well, let's just stop that.

I'll disengage my microphone.

You've got a microphone,

so I'm not producing anything.

And we're still getting stuff.

It's yeah, I mean, it's amazing.

Now, when you, when you, you covered the mic

and did not use the mic,

are you still getting the same,

same sort of responses?

Because there's a lot of ways you could look at it too,

going, is this somehow picking up words you're saying

and then kind of grabbing a word or two

and, and re-incorporating it into its response

if it is a product that, and I'm not saying it is by any means.

But if someone wanted to create an app

that, that appeared to kind of give you

somewhat fantastical answers that are in relation

to the context of what you're talking about,

that would be a way to do it.

Be grabbing some audio from you and then

pulling those words and repeating it somewhat

into a sentence that makes some sort of sense.

Right. I would say that if, if we wouldn't have had the mic muted

because we're still getting quite a bit,

and I've had the mic muted now for more than a couple of years now.

And we're still getting some pretty strange responses,

some direct responses.

Just like the last one I said, you know,

they're about to be jerky and all that.

I mean, we're not talking about abstract responses.

I mean, we're talking about a direct response

when I said, do you want to be jerky?

And it says, be jerky followed by more.

Yeah. I mean, that's just, that's crazy.

What is it when we're talking about apps?

Because I know there's a gazillion of them out there

for mobile devices as well.

And, you know, some have high ratings, some do not.

And that ratings really make the huge difference here

in terms of their effectiveness and use for real ghost hunting.

But what is your opinion on all those out there?

Why are some more reliable,

such as as the one you're speaking of?

And why are some really just, you know,

they're out there to get their quick $2.99 in the app store.

And that's about it.

Well, I think it really depends on how the app is set up

and, you know, the person, the credibility of the person

is, is he an investigator or is he just out there

like you're saying trying to make some money?

That makes a lot of difference to me.

And when I researched these apps, you know,

I was actually turned on to this app

by another friend of mine and another group

who basically was getting very strange responses.

I mean, he actually asked a very odd ball question one day.

Do you like bacon?

And a few seconds later,

head of voice comes through and says,

I like bacon.

So I know, I mean, I was sold by that.

I said, well, I've got to try this.

Now, I mean, there are some like this one

and then another one called Paratech,

which is another device, which is just a word generator.

And there are, in that device,

there are some words that basically are two words that are one together,

but they're also individual words.

And with that, we've gotten some, again, direct responses,

two questions asked that we did from that.

Now, somebody, this guy that put together this,

this Vaznobox, I mean, his, his, his company,

extreme senses has basically about 15 different apps.

I picked up another one called Armania.

And basically, it has a, a bank of positive responses on one side,

negative responses on the other side.

And then the center is a, it'll generate a face.

Now, what they say, and this is kind of really,

maybe more far-fetched than I want to get involved with,

you ask the question, you might get a response of positive or negative response,

and then it'll generate a face indicating if the ghost is angry, mad, sad, happy, smiling,

whatever. And that might be pushing it a little bit too far,

but there's another one that actually generates short video clips.

So, for instance, you might be asking a question about a railroad,

and there might be a train that suddenly shows up on a track,

or something like that, or you might be talking about, you know,

I don't know, whatever, whatever subject you're talking about,

and you might get something that's relevant to what you just discussed.

And some of those are, again, they have been tested,

and I did look at the YouTube videos. They look pretty amazing.

I have played with them, but the, the, the paratech and the,

the, the, the Vaznobox, in my opinion, are the two most common ones that I use a lot.

We used to use one called Ghost Radar, and I think you've probably seen that one.

Sure.

Basically, it's telling you, you know, it's like a little radar screen,

and it has little blips, they're saying those little ghost behind you,

and the colors, and how big they are, making that they're negative,

they're, they're, they're, they got a little more energy.

Now, that's, to me, it's just, you know, it's, it's garbage, because you're,

you're, your cell phone cannot be used as an e-meth detector.

You cannot be used as a radar. You cannot be getting, you know,

signals like that through that. I mean, that's just something that's just randomly generated.

Now, the word database can be used inside there, and we've had some interesting things come

through the database, not that often, but occasionally things come through there.

So, now, there are, you know, there's no one called Ghost Hunting Tools

that people sometimes use, and they're basically, it hasn't kind of an e-meth device,

in there, with kind of like, like a, like a, a graph that starts getting from the green,

to the yellow, to the orange, to the red, and a good, but again, your, your device,

your, your, your cell phone cannot be used as an e-meth device.

So, again, that's really, you kind of garbage. I mean, there is a, there is a word generator

in there, which is, again, a random randomizer, pulls out random words, you know,

sort of like the obelisk does, but the obelisk has other devices built in that can actually

pull out words in response to e-meth fields, because it's sensitive to e-meth,

and supposedly, if you, if you're familiar with the obelisk, you know, they're,

I have an obelisk X, one of the earlier models, which I'm very happy with.

The screen actually will tell you the word, you'll say the word, and then it says below that,

power equals, and there's a number. So, in theory, it's showing you how much energy was generated

to generate that specific word. Your cell phone doesn't have those type of devices in there.

It's just, it's just a device that receives signals. When I say receives signals,

it's receiving stuff, you know, like for phone calls and, and, you know, internet signals and

Wi-Fi. It's very fascinating, as all this, you know, continues to develop all the things that

are out there. When we're talking about Gettysburg, as you were earlier, in areas that had more

violence than others, Devils, Den, Iberzins, Pits, things of that nature, do you naturally tend to

see more energy in the areas that had a more active scene in life or active scene of death

versus other areas that are still part of the Gettysburg grounds, but maybe didn't have as

heavy of activity? I'm sure you could probably go to literally any spot on Gettysburg, where

there was a skirmish or a battle, or some sort of, you know, fighting that took place between the

sides and probably pick up something almost everywhere, because I believe it's, it's, it's just

that active. I mean, it was 53,000 casualties, you know, killed missing and wounded in Gettysburg

in those three days, making it the single most bloody battle, or, or campaign during the

entire civil war. And every time we go back there, in fact, we're going back there in, in early

August of this year, to go back again, because since that time I've discovered a lot more material,

I'm constantly researching that area. I belong to the American Battlefield Trust Fund, which I

do donate to civil war battlefields, and if during my spare time I go through their website,

and they have a tremendous amount of live YouTube videos that they do, professional guides.

I mean, I thought I knew a lot about Gettysburg, and these guys put me to shame, and literally talking

about very obscure places on the battlefield, they don't get into the paranormal, but they get into

obscure places on the battlefield that had a lot of, you know, significant loss of life,

like the Peat Torture in the Wheatfield, which probably had more people killed in that area,

then devil's den, little round top, or even pick its charge, believe it or not, because there

was so much there, you have cults hill, you have Spangler Springs, you have East Calvary Field.

I mean, the list goes on and on of places all around in the Gettysburg area, where things have

happened, so I think getting back to your question, obviously I assume it would be better to go to

places that had a lot more loss of life to get a better chance, but I'm sure you could probably go

to pretty much any place on the battlefield and probably get something, that's why every time

you go back, we try to hit some new locations and see what we get, and it seems like, you know,

never disappointed. When you're there and you're, you're capturing things, and I want to go back to,

you talked about earlier in the show, where you had snapped the five pictures, and then the middle one

out of those five is where you saw kind of that chestnut color image that projected himself

over the course of five shots. When you capture something like that, and this is just an opinion

based question, are we capturing them beyond their control, or do you think they're choosing to

show up in certain frames, or is it just, you know, just as if you'd pan a camera around a room,

you may catch somebody that doesn't realize you're panning a camera around a room.

Are we doing that to them, and kind of almost invading their space, not so much them trying to

be like Hank over here? I think for the most part, a lot of this we're picking up there is residual.

So it's in the course of their battle, in the course of their retreat, they're running away

and bloody terrors, and so being, you know, killed or escaped or captured, I think we're catching

them in the moment. We're kind of reliving, if you will, you know, maybe their last moments on Earth,

or maybe a section of their life on the battlefield, maybe they survived, maybe they didn't,

maybe they died later from gunshot wounds or gangrene or something like that. So I think a lot of

what we're capturing like that, I believe, is a snapshot into, you know, just a moment of their

lifetime, not so much like you're saying, hey, I'm here, even though we have head, you know,

things like that happen, not visual, but a lot through EVP and sound.

We captured stuff out there, an SLS camera, so the structured light sensor, the connect system

cameras, everything kind of shows a plastic figure. We've had that happen on several locations out

there, and now we have a new device, which is a, they're infrared binoculars,

but they record not only pictures, but they record video, and they can illuminate up to 300 feet

away. So I mean, you put it on a tripod, you can, you zoom in at them from 300, that's the length of

a football field. Yeah. And it illuminates just like broad daylight, and so we're using that,

along with this new device called the GS2 laser grid, which it's a laser grid plus because there's

a screen on there, which a bunch of little LED lights, a red being hot, blue being cold,

and it's something passes through the field of the dots, those little LED lights will light up and

show the configuration of the shape, if you will, up just what went through the screen.

Wow. So we got some really neat devices that we've been using, and we had stuff going on

pretty much all night, when we were facing it down on the stone wall at irisons pits. We were

constantly getting disruptions of something going past the screen, past interrupting those dots.

We couldn't really see the dots really well because it wasn't really focused on anything,

but the dots still send their signals out, they're like, you know, like little lasers.

And so when something disrupts that field or breaks those laser dots, it will show up on

that screen, and it got to the point, I had to put a camera on there to the record deck,

because it was going on all night. And that may have been union soldiers, because the union

soldiers were on that side of the wall. I wasn't facing down into the field where the Confederates

are coming from. So yeah, there are many devices, and I have a little more than $14,000 worth of

ghost hunting gear, and I'm always looking for interesting new pieces that might help us,

collect better evidence. Sure. I mean, it's amazing how much it changes and evolves, and as more

and more people get into this trying to find answers. When we're talking about residual energy

again, another opinion based question, because I'm always interested in everyone's opinions on

these things. Do or does residual energy residuals haunting spirits? Does it ever die off? Is there

like a half life to this where at some point Gettysburg will no longer be active? Because at some

point, it's it's moved on or it's it's just faded kind of down away. We're not obviously to a

point yet where that has happened by any means, and we probably won't be alive for that if that

does ever happen. But do you believe that that can happen, depending on the impact or the gravity

of the situation where we're experiencing the residual energy for to eventually run its course?

Yeah, I believe that can eventually happen. There have been locations that we have investigated.

And we came back several years later and got hardly anything or nothing at all.

That doesn't necessarily mean that it just went away. Maybe whatever was there didn't feel

like communicating with us. I mean, that's always a possibility, no two. But I think in places like

Gettysburg, revolutionary war battlefields, places where they had tremendous amount of death.

I mean, you're talking thousands and tens of thousands of people that died. Civil war prisons,

Andersonville, you know, Libby Prison, Camp Douglas in Chicago. Other places where people

suffered, they languished, they were in suffering and so forth. Those places are probably going to

be haunted for a very long time, if not forever, because of just the amount of people that

went through those locations and died or had untimely deaths due to that. Where in the other

flip side of the coin, there may be other locations where there may have only been, say, a single ghost

reported there. Like there are many examples here in Chicago. Resurrection Mary being one of

hitchhiking ghost stories back to 1930. I mean, it's just her. Now, have the reports slowed up. Oh,

absolutely. I mean, at a point where hardly anybody sees her anymore, it has a lot to do with the

changing of the environment, making it very, very well lit up, you know, more act, more pedestrian

and in the nuclear traffic going through that area, which I think disrupts energies that are

there. So, you know, I think, you know, it has a lot to do with all different types of factors,

not only just the ghosts itself, but I think changing of the environment. Sure.

This is an interesting thing I've noticed. I live here in Arkansas now and there's a battlefield

that is literally a couple miles down the road, the area where I live. There was very likely

encampments. It's the Battle of Prairie Grove, which took place here near Fayetteville, Arkansas.

And roughly around 2500 people died in that battle over the course of a day or two.

And it's a, it's a, now a memorial park and there's a little museum there. And I like to go walking

there. I take my daughter there and I find it to be an incredibly peaceful place to walk.

Now, I don't consider myself to be sensitive or anything like that. I, you know, if there's a one

to 10 on the sensitivity scale or empathic scale, I may be a one or a two. I can tell if like

something feels a little bit off, but I actually get a full sense of just like I am more calm walking

through this park than I am. Most other parks that are not battlefields. I'm also kind of that way

with haunted hotels and such. I sleep best in a haunted hotel, which is not a weird, but it's

true. I've slept some of my best nights of sleep have been in haunted hotels. And I don't know

why that is. Is there something to that? Have you heard that before of others who find an incredible

sense of peace at locations that are incredibly haunted? Oh, absolutely. I mean, even Gettysburg,

I mean, the best majority of people like go out to Gettysburg or any other state park or,

you know, hotel, whether it be haunted or not, you know, I mean, you know, they're there for

their own pleasure. They're, they're an entertainment. They're staying good night. They're,

they're looking into history. They're taking tours. They're not really doing what I do,

you know, going out there to try to, you know, gather evidence for the paranormal and communicate with

something. So maybe in that sense that those people that are not looking for that find those

areas to be very peaceful. That wraps up part two of our conversation with Dale Kessameric.

And big thank you to him for joining us again on the program. Always happy to have him on

and hear his experiences, insight and stories. And thank you to you for supporting the programming

keeping us on the air. We could not do this program without your support. Until next time,

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