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What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. So it's the day after Galen Maxwell has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

And already people are talking about how she should start naming names to try and shave some time off this sentence.

Now it certainly is a viable strategy to try and shave a few years off. Give up some of your former associates. But usually that occurs before a trial.

Now if Galen Maxwell starts giving people up their defense team can easily say that she is a broken witness. She is somebody who is there only to try and get herself a less amount of time.

That's why I don't know if this strategy is going to be the way to go for in this article we're about to read a lawyer is saying that Galen Maxwell should start naming some names to get year shaved off this sentence.

But the question becomes what does she have left to give up now we all know that there were a ton of participants as far as people going to the island.

People going to New Mexico people going to the townhouse in New York or in Florida and we know that Galen Maxwell has a lot of information about all of that.

But what is she going to give up to get year shaved off that becomes the question and it's a juicy one isn't it.

It goes back to the heart of the whole entire clientless conversation now that Galen Maxwell has been convicted.

I feel like that's the conversation we should start having now who are some of the other participants who were some of the other people who are on this stage who are engaging in abuse and helping to facilitate this whole entire criminal enterprise enterprise to run.

And I think you have to start with Sarah Kellen-Vickers, Darren Indike and Richard Khan.

Those would be the three targets that I'd be zeroing in on right now if I was the prosecution.

And if Galen Maxwell can help you get there the question is do you shave years off of her sentence and for me I don't think you do.

Unless Maxwell can give you somebody that's huge a gigantor, a Donald Trump, a Bill Clinton, a Prince Andrew, a Glenn Dubin even then maybe you discuss a few months off of her sentence or moving her to a more favorable spot or something like that.

But short of that I don't know what she could give up that would want to knock the prosecutors off their perch because remember there's a ton of evidence already tying Sarah Kellen-Vickers to this.

Tying Darren Indike to this, tying Richard Khan to all of this. And if they were serious about Indike they could have gotten him on structuring already.

You can't go make a bunch of withdrawals to beat title 31 the way he did and then ask questions to the institution the banking institution about how you how you can structure that's against the law.

But nothing happened right I can tell you right now if I was going to the bank and structuring I guarantee you the feds would have came down on me like a goddamn bag of bricks.

I had to keep an eye out for this sort of thing at work all the time at the sports book structuring is a big deal because it means people are manipulating and they're trying to avoid the paperwork.

And if people are trying to avoid the paper trail well usually they're up to no good right.

So they could have gotten Indike already on all of this Khan I'm sure they could have come up with something I mean again if these guys were Mafioso or if they were drug dealers from you know insert poor neighborhood here they would have come up with a reason to already arrest them so they could keep them in custody and then they'd come up with the real serious charges.

But for some reason no vickers no Indike no Khan no graph no Adriana Ross none of them.

And we heard an open court yesterday judge Nathan herself saying that Galen Maxwell was overseeing Sarah Kellen vickers so that sure seems to me like a criminal conspiracy no if there's more than two participants well you have yourselves a Rico case as well.

But again they didn't they didn't go that way so now Galen Maxwell with these 20 years is possibly according to this lawyer anyway gonna be looking to wheel and deal now I don't know if I believe this or if I think that the prosecution will even entertain it but it certainly is an option I guess and it really all comes down to what is she offering up.

Today's article is from Newsweek and the author of this article is Jack Royston headline Galen Maxwell should start naming names to shave years off of her sentence and she probably should have done this before the trial no if you want to go state witness you usually do it before you get sentenced get up there tell the authorities everything you know rat out all of your friends that's why it's called being queen for a day right when you sign your proper agreement.

King for a day or queen for a day you sign that deal the 302 and then anything that you have ever done is wiped clean all for the information you're going to provide on your former associates of course.

And if you sign one of these deals then more times than not you get yourself a light sentence and you find yourself out of prison way before any of your associates.

So it doesn't look like Maxwell went that route before this trial we have heard nothing about her trying to you know negotiate a deal revolving around her giving up names.

Galen Maxwell should ditch her appeal and start naming names to avoid spending most of the rest of her life in jail a lawyer told Newsweek.

The British socialite you mean human trafficker handed a 20 years sentence by judge Alison Nathan during a nearly four hour hearing where survivors gave emotional statements about the impact of abuse by her and Jeffrey Epstein.

And look it was a rehash of what we have heard from these ladies but it was a lot more powerful wasn't it when they get up there in court like Annie did or when you just hear their words.

What they have to say it means a lot and I think that the prosecution would be doing these girls a disservice to let Maxwell shave any more years off of this sentence like we talked about yesterday with good time and with time served she's probably only going to serve 15.

So that's a slap in the gut as it is right and to talk about shaving off more time I mean again for me not to go absolutely ballistic.

It would have to be some huge huge get I'm talking like I said a Trump a Clinton a a who'd Barack even something like that and maybe the discussion could happen but it has to be somebody who played a key part right.

It can't just be oh I'm going to give up the butler.

The sentencing guidelines and Maxwell's case had an upper limit of 19 years but Nathan went beyond the guidelines to impose a sentence of 20 years and with judge Nathan she's not really the kind of judge that usually sentences harshly right.

This is one of those times where I was wishing that we'd have one of those ruthless ass jerk off judges who sends people to prison for a million years.

I just read some story about some guy who hunted homeless women on the street so he could sexually assault them and he just got latched with 162 year stint down in Florida.

So sometimes you know people get waxed by these judges some of these judges are pretty brutal with their sentencing but unfortunately in this case anyway judge Nathan isn't that kind of judge but she did go above the sentencing guidelines I will give her that this wasn't a light sentence right.

It wasn't harsh by any means but it's not what you would call a light sentence anytime you have to do 15 20 years behind bars and I don't care where you're doing those years by the way it's not a fun time.

Now would I prefer to see her go to like flow max in in Colorado the super max hell yeah but look the fact that she's in prison.

I'll take that as a victory right for the survivors and for society of course we all want more right it's it's not the optimal punishment but considering that just a mere few years ago everybody was telling me how crazy I was to continue talking about this.

Oh no justice is ever going to be served people like Maxwell and Epstein they never get any kinds of punishment well guess what they did and it might not again it might not be the most harsh punishment for Maxwell but it's punishment isn't it and bitch ass Epstein well he's dead.

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Nima Romani of West Coast trial lawyers told Newsweek Maxwell will likely be able to get her sentence down to 15 years through a mixture of time already served and good behavior and that's what we talked about yesterday I didn't mean the rain on anybody's parade or anything like that but as you all know we keep a real here on this podcast whatever the truth is whatever the evidence says and wherever it goes.

That's where we we head and I just wanted I want you all to be very aware that even though she slapped with 20 it's probably going to end up being 15 and that's why when we were first talking I was adamant about 25 or 30 because you know with good time time served she'll shave some of that down give herself a bit of a haircut and you know be out here before she's truly geriatric.

That means survivors have been denied what some have asked for a sentence that ensures Maxwell will die in prison and that's certainly is what I was looking for as well there's no doubt about it that is the so that would have been the slam dunk victory right 35 years 40 years hell yeah but remember folks a lot of things can happen in 15 years while you're in prison a whole lot of things can happen and just because one lady wrote her a letter about how.

Nice she was and you know the whole year teaching us yoga thing that doesn't mean it's going to translate and carry over to the federal facility she ends up in she's not looking at a fun time no matter where she ends up.

However Ramani added that the 60 year old still faces spending most of the rest of her life behind bars until age 75 unless she cooperates.

Now that she's been sentenced does she finally start cooperating because you can get a reduction she really should start naming names he said if she finally realizes that hey I'm going to spend most of the rest of my life in prison unless I start cooperating maybe she does the government can come back and request a reduction after the fact her family members have said she won't but you never know.

And that's very interesting honestly look if I was to go down say I was some sort of scumbag like these people and I was to go down and all of the other people weren't to go down I'd probably rat them out to.

I'm going to sit in a jail cell for the rest of my life while you eat caviar I don't think so scumbag so I would probably be trying to work something out I would have probably tried to work something out prior to all of this though and I would have been willing to give up everything.

And if Maxwell was truly sorry like she said she was she would have done that after Epstein's first arrest if she had nothing to do with it if she was just an innocent person she would have came out after Epstein's first arrest and went and sat down with the FBI and said look this is everything that I know these are all of the people that were involved as far as I know.

She never did any of that she continued to benefit from her relationship with Epstein continue to clock all kinds of dough and then when shit goes south all of a sudden it's all Epstein's fall you played no part on the lane sure okay.

She could work off the 15 years by cooperating she can name names testify against others grand jury shave off significant time Ramani said there's really two very distinct paths for Elaine Maxwell here she either takes her chance on appeal or she goes down the cooperation route it's really one or the other Maxwell's legal team has indicated they will appear appeal against her December 2021 conviction and an effort to force a new trial.

Now I don't think that's going to be a successful appeal but you know what who knows who knows what they'll come up with to try and get the court to turn in their favor but usually historically these appeals are not successful.

However Barry Salzman who has previously represented 20 Epstein survivors said her prospects for succeeding at an appeal may be limited Salzman a partner at barrage McGarry Salzman in Benson told Newsweek I don't believe there are going to be successful on appeal my opinion is that I don't think they will be a basics be any success on the appeal the verdict will stand and the sentence will stand.

I agree with that I just don't see how they think that they'll be able to appeal this and get it knocked off it just doesn't seem like reality to me.

While we're a bit disappointed the court didn't impose a higher sentence this sentence definitely recognizes the severity of Maxwell's conduct the shocking and extensive nature of it Salzman added it it's again less than what the prosecutors had asked for but it's higher than the sentencing guidelines.

So I thought from the beginning like we talked about that Max that excuse me that Nathan would end up splitting the baby that she'd find a happy medium here because that's a sort of judge she is right she's not going to impose harsh penalties unfortunately and that's exactly what it ended up being.

I think that that is a positive it's a stiff sentence I wish it was more but I do think that it certainly will bring some measure of justice enclosure to the survivors Salzman said I would have preferred to see something more in the neighborhood of 30 years so 20 years for a woman in her early 60s is still a pretty severe sentence look it is there's no doubt I'm not going to sit here and act like you know she got five years.

20 years 15 years a significant amount of time to spend behind bars but again when all said and done only six or seven more than what my loved one spent in prison for quote unquote illegal gambling no violence nobody heard nothing.

But you know they didn't take his age into account he was in his seventies no big deal will throw him in prison he's not rich his last name isn't Maxwell.

So that's why I was so fired up when Maxwell is asking for that short sentence of you know four and a half five and a half years it's just straight up absurd and even when you know you look at the short time here with the 15 it's not optimal.

It's not optimal by any stretch but 15 years 20 years is a long time in prison and remember folks a lot of shit can happen in 15 years especially while you're behind bars.

Sarah ransom a survivor of Maxwell and Epstein did not take part in the trial but issued a powerful survivor impact statement at sentencing in which she outlined two suicide attempts that she said were near fatal.

Her statement seen by newsweek red on one visit to the island the sexual demands degradation and humiliation became so horrific that I tried to escape by attempting to jump off a cliff into shark infested waters but was caught by Maxwell and company moments before jumping at the time the extremely risky escape seemed more appealing than being raped one more time.

Quoted by the BBC outside the court she said glaine must die in prison because I've been in hell and back for the last 17 years.

That's how a lot of these survivors feel and felt glaine Maxwell played a key part in the destruction of their lives.

And I don't know how much more straightforward I could put it we don't need to get down you know and and reconstruct things Maxwell destroyed their lives point blank period.

And in return these survivors were hoping for a life sentence from Maxwell now if she when she gets out 80 years old 75 years old whatever it is life is pretty much going to be over for as she knows it but still.

She's going to have a chance to see daylight again she still has that glimmer of hope every day while she's you know laying around in prison.

And unfortunately I you know I wish she didn't have that but I'm not the one drop in the sentence right I wish I was unfortunately though folks I do not make the rules.

Any farmer a Maxwell survivor who testified at the trial described her experience in her statement this toxic combination of being sexually exposed and exploited feeling confused and naive blaming myself all resulted in significant shame.

That sickening feeling that makes you want to disappear it was not constant but would come in waves similar to the waves of anxiety that would also show up she said when I think back I see a slideshow of moments when these feelings would surface and overwhelm me.

I remember sitting at my desk in a Houston hospital physically shaking after seeing the photo of Maxwell with Virginia Roberts and Prince Andrew because it became clear to me how their scheme had continued.

The time and unexpected security screening from a TSA agent who padded down my chest with the back of her hand left me crying and disoriented at the airport.

A 40th birthday gathering where I broke down crying telling the story to some friends for the first time she continued.

It was pretty powerful testimony from the victims particularly the ones who talked about her suicide attempts and how she would jump into shark infested waters to try to escape.

Ramani told Newsweek and look can you imagine holding this all in for all of these years and then sitting around with a group of your friends that you trust that you know you know that'll be there for you and breaking down at your 40th birthday telling this story nobody should have to go through that.

And finally for Annie there's a little bit of justice here.

Golan Maxwell is not going to be jet setting at least for the next 15 or 20 so there's that at least she's not going to hurt anybody for the next 15 or 20 so there's that at least as well.

Ultimately I know the government wanted more they wanted 30 years judge Nathan she's fair but she's considered fairly liberal she's not a very harsh sentencer she's not one of not one that one of those that generally goes above the guidelines but she did in this case.

And I have to give her a little credit there right for going above what she usually does but still.

The way that judge Nathan call these heinous crimes and the rest of it you would think that she would have just dropped the whole last kitchen sink on Golan Maxwell but I think this is one of the biggest problems with our justice system folks the people that should be in prison for the rest of their lives.

A lot of times they avoid that while people who are convicted on smaller petty crimes well they can't navigate the system and what happens is they get their first defense then their first defense turns into their second and before you know it their career criminals because now they're in the system.

And it's just you know broken in that regard whereas people like Maxwell you know I'll get me a little reduce sentence here a little bit of time off there I'll be able to have all the greatest lawyers in the world you know all of that.

But the reality is this Golan Maxwell didn't avoid justice this time we can debate till the cows come home if that justice is harsh enough but the fact is when she goes to sleep tonight.

When she goes to sleep every night following tonight for a very long time before she goes to sleep she'll hear those bars clinking and locking and from where I'm sitting that certainly is a good thing.

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