Global financial panic unleashed by Trump’s Iran war

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The Iran War is spiraling in ways that the White House clearly did not expect.

We have oil prices spiking.

The Strait of Hormuz is effectively shut down, panicked global markets, gas prices going

almost vertical, and there's still no strategy or exit plan.

And importantly, even by Trump standards, he may lose this war as Iran has now announced

that the son of the Ayatollah will take the reins of the regime, even the short-sighted

regime change they wanted appears not to be happening.

Meanwhile, images from a dignified transfer of the fallen American troops from Iran have

Trump wearing a baseball hat and looking extraordinarily bored.

Caroline Levitt refuses to rule out a military draft if the conflict escalates.

Did you consider that maybe your sons and daughters could be drafted into this insane

war?

And later we're going to look at newly released documents tied to the Epstein investigation

that are extremely disturbing.

Plus we will be joined by Massachusetts governor Mora Healy who has figured out a way to hamstring

Trump's ice goons.

We'll talk to her and more.

What a show.

We're going to talk about what's happening with the economy.

And I know because I'm getting dozens if not hundreds of emails from many of you that

many people in my audience are really worried.

You're worried about cost of living.

You're worried about what's happening to your retirement account.

We're going to get to the economic in a moment, but we first have to contend with the insane

reality that Donald Trump may be about to lose this war that he started by his terms.

Now you might be saying, well, what do you really mean by when or lose?

I'm going to explain.

And in fact, there are some claims that Trump has already lost this war evidenced by the

fact that after killing the Ayatollah, the supreme leader and pushing for regime change,

let's decide who will be in power.

We've toppled the regime.

The news reporting is that Iran has named the son of the Ayatollah, the new supreme leader,

meaning that we have achieved the exact opposite of regime change.

Now we will get to that in a moment.

One of the questions that has come up in this theater of war has been, what would it

mean to win?

Is it about nuclear facilities?

Well, were they obliterated over the summer of 25 or weren't that they and what is the status

of those facilities?

And okay, that's one aspect to this.

We then have the consequences of what is happening.

We have the questions as to is what Donald Trump did even legal because he didn't go and

get authorization from Congress.

We have the broader sort of philosophical question, should the United States be engaging in regime

change, etc, etc.

But if we put all of that back and go back, back, back, back, back, there is the whole question

of the Ayatollah was killed 86 years old.

There was a succession plan is killing the Ayatollah really going to achieve regime change.

Donald Trump said last week that if the son of the Ayatollah, Mattabah Khameini was made

the leader that that would be unacceptable.

And we have now learned that indeed the new supreme leader of Iran is Mattabah Khameini.

We are seeing every aspect of this backfire.

It's going to be good for the economy.

It's been a disaster.

It's going to be good for America's reputation around the world as tough.

The world is horrified by what Donald Trump is doing.

Well, at least we will change the regime and it seems that that is not happening.

Look at what else is going on.

Iran effectively closing down the state of Hormuz, tanker traffic, oil tanker traffic is

down 80 to 90 percent.

Oil has nearly doubled in a week.

American operations are costing about a billion dollars a day.

And we have now, I believe that this is the latest number.

It's getting to where it's hard to keep up with the number of American troop deaths.

But I believe that there have now been seven American troops killed.

We learned that a likely US strike on February 28th hit a girl's elementary school killing

somewhere close to, but under 200 civilians, Kuwait was expected to have about 18 days

of oil storage, but they started cutting production as well.

You look at Iraq oil output from its southern fields is down about 70 percent.

Qatar is warning that Gulf exporters might stop production altogether.

And so we have this mix of disastrous military, political and economic news, which has gone

completely chaotic as American embassies are trying to evacuate, but it's becoming difficult

in part because the Trump administration didn't properly arrange for the evacuation of

Americans in the region.

We've we're seeing delays.

Facilities are being hit.

Thousands are stranded.

And meanwhile, the new Supreme Leader of Iran, who Trump said would be an unacceptable

choice is very extreme.

And that in and of itself may prolong the conflict because the new Supreme Leader seems

to have a significant appetite for keeping this going, for taking deaths on their end.

And potentially, and boy, do I hope this doesn't happen, potentially trying to launch

attacks against the United States and its allies.

The Atlanta Fed now estimates that in the first quarter of this year, GDP fell from 3

percent to 2.1 percent in four days.

We are still in Q1 January, February, March, just based on the first few days of this

conflict.

We may have lost a full point of GDP.

Now I'm not here to tell you which of these things you should care about more.

Should you care more about the economic?

Should you care more about the political?

Should you care more about the deaths that are taking place?

It all matters.

We don't we don't have to rank it.

It's just it's an all of the above.

This is a disaster, big picture, stocks are down.

The Fed has very little room for rate cutting because of rising oil prices, pushing inflation

expectations higher.

So this is quickly becoming not only a political disaster, not only an economic disaster, not

only a humanitarian disaster, but it doesn't even really seem that Donald Trump is going

to be able to quote, win this war the way that he described.

Now we're going to get in a moment primarily to the economic, but this is having a lot

of flashbacks to the Iraq war of George W. Bush of 2003.

Donald Rumsfeld saying we're going to be greeted as liberators.

They're going to did he make a quote about roses?

I think he did.

Rumsfeld roses Iraq.

Iraqi citizens will throw flowers and sweets at our troops.

Yeah, exactly.

So we are now seeing it's going to be a few days of war.

It's going to be four weeks.

It's going to be five weeks.

Well, it's also not completely up to us because Iran has agency and Iran could extend

this as well.

Imagine if after all this by their own definition, they lose this easily winnable war.

That's what we're facing right now.

Let's talk about the economy.

Donald Trump has triggered a global financial panic.

Look around the world.

Markets are crashing.

Oil just had its biggest short-term spike in 40 years.

And it is happening as Donald Trump's hair-brained war with Iran is spiraling.

There is no clear plan.

There is no clear exit strategy.

And as I already told you by Donald Trump's own standards, he may lose this war.

Now we look around the world.

As Nikkeh dropped about 7% in a single day.

The South Korean market fell 8% extending, by the way, huge losses from last week.

In the United States, we are seeing the Dow just collapse in brutal, brutal fashion.

And we are seeing panic selling to some degree, certainly caused by the geopolitical chaos.

We've seen the oil prices explode as the conflict is disrupting supply.

Brent Crude, which again is not an adult film star.

That's a type of oil.

Brent Crude jumped 27% in one day to roughly $117 a barrel.

This is the biggest single-day increase since 1988 and meanwhile, gas is just exploding,

going from about $294 a gallon up to $350 that is a roughly 20% increase in a week.

Incredible disastrous numbers.

Now analysts are saying this could be the worst oil supply shock since the 70s energy crisis.

It's a lot of it is centered around the straight of hormones.

About 20% of the world's oil supply passes through there normally.

And right now shipping is essentially shut down after Iranian retaliation.

And we are seeing a number of other oil producing or oil refining nations moving the direction

of constraining supply, either by choice or by necessity.

And this is only going to lead oil prices higher and it's going to lead gas prices higher,

which leads to everything getting more expensive because the transportation of most of the stuff

we have is based on petroleum-based fuels.

Now meanwhile, the death toll continues to rise.

Earlier I said seven service members have been killed.

I actually, I actually believe that it is, it is now eight, not that it happened in

the last five minutes, but I believe that there was late reporting about one of them somewhere,

seven eight, something like that.

And Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth and others warning us that that number is going to go up.

Investors are finding themselves asking a really basic question.

How long is this war going to last?

And we don't have a single idea.

I know that we heard from Trump, it's going to be about four weeks, could be about five

weeks.

We're already almost two weeks in.

So is it going to be four or five more from today because they keep saying four or five

weeks or is it four or five from when it started?

Meanwhile, a lot of foreign policy experts say this is going to be way longer than that.

And even after Donald Trump has decided it's over, that doesn't mean that Iran will

agree that it is over.

This is a very dangerous direction.

Now for the average person, this is a disaster.

Imagine being a voter, maybe you voted for Trump, maybe you didn't, it doesn't matter.

You're a voter in Arkansas or you're a voter in Michigan, you're a voter in Tennessee.

You are working class.

You have a job, but cost of living increases are really hampering your buying power.

You're worried about, can you afford helping your kids pay for some college?

Can you afford groceries?

What about gasoline?

What about your car?

What's going on with credit availability?

And then you look around and you go, well, Trump said he was going to help people like

me.

He spouted populist rhetoric like it was just being projectile vomited out of his mouth

about how I am the person he cares about the most.

My family is his top priority.

He's going to be the affordability president.

He's going to be the fertilization president, oh, by the way, how nausea, how vomitous.

And then now all of a sudden, he says, oh, well, how about we start a war with Iran?

And how about we see gas prices spike 20% in a week?

Do you still believe that this guy gives a damn about your situation?

And of course, high oil prices translate to high gas prices, high gas prices translate

to high everything prices.

And so your costs are going up.

And then if you're fortunate enough to have some kind of retirement account, maybe it's

an employer 401k, an IRA, a 403B, something you see that over the last 10 days, it has

absolutely collapsed.

So this is a growing political conundrum, humanitarian conundrum, foreign policy, quagmire.

But for average people, this is a massive economic fiasco, and it is going global.

And my expectation, now let me know in the comments what you think.

My expectation is that Trump is going to end up, he's already panicking reports of widespread

screaming at the White House about gas prices last week.

My guess is that Trump will end up trying to figure out some way to back out of as much

of this as he can, while claiming that he won the war and desperately trying to rescue

a collapsing economy.

I don't think it'll be real, but he's going to claim we won.

And now we're going to get everything fixed back up because they are getting desperate

at the White House.

Let me know what you think.

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Donald Trump could not be bothered to take off the baseball hat.

He got him killed and he shows up wearing a cap.

Dear God, let me explain what is going on here.

We now have images in video from the recent, they call it a dignified transfer.

As some of you know, seven, maybe eight American service members so far have been killed because

of Donald Trump's decision to go to war with Iran, Trump and Pete Hegseth and others say

that more are going to be killed in the future.

Donald Trump showed up at the dignified transfer of those American service members as their

remains arrived back in the United States.

And he was wearing a baseball hat.

A whole bunch of images in video show Trump wearing this stupid looking huge white baseball

hat.

Now this took place at Dover Air Force Base.

This is where the remains were returned to the United States.

And this is not me waxing poetic about tradition for the sake of tradition.

Believe me that that is not really a concern for me.

These transfers are among the most solemn traditions in the military.

Whether these flag draped coffins are carried off of typically aircraft by military personnel.

Families are there to watch.

Officials are there.

And there is a basic protocol about respect and the gravity of the situation.

And so it's not about a baseball hat per se.

It's that when you see Donald Trump after the decision to send these troops into harm's

way over a war that is crashing the economy.

And which I don't even really know that Trump can win by his own definition.

And then you see him standing there in a baseball hat rather than taking the hat off.

And this has quickly become a point of criticism.

Now there are a lot of veterans, commentators, um, military observers who pointed out.

Listen, this is, it's, it just is protocol that you take your hat off as a sign of respect

at such things.

Military culture, it's civilian culture, even, you know, some, I remember in school,

when we had to do the Pledge of Allegiance, which by the way, it's a whole other thing.

Um, even just kids were told you got to take your hat off.

And Trump is there wearing the stupid hat.

Now what this is about bigger picture is that Donald Trump has claimed for a decade that

no one respects the military more than him.

No one supports the military more than him.

And yet time after time, we have all these controversies that expose that Trump really

doesn't give a damn about the troops.

Other than can I use them as political ponds to prop myself up and help myself?

This includes when he has disputes with military leadership.

And when the generals don't agree with Trump, he demeans them and he says he knows more

than the generals.

This includes the suckers and losers comment that Trump's former national security adviser

confirmed Trump said referring to members of the armed services as suckers and losers.

This includes using veterans as political props at everything from state of the Union

addresses to other sorts of ceremonies.

And so you could say, oh, well, the hat criticism in isolation is trivial or it's not really

substantive, but when you look at all of the ways in which Donald Trump seems to care

about the troops only in so far as it's politically useful.

But even in the smallest ways, he can't be bothered to just show some modicum of respect

to the people you got killed.

I would argue that it does ultimately center on one question.

Why does he at every opportunity indicate that he doesn't really give a damn about the

troops?

Now Fox News, I don't know if this was accidental or on purpose Fox News in reporting about

the dignified transfer used video from a different dignified transfer where Donald Trump was not

wearing a hat.

I'm going to play this now.

This is from yesterday.

It was a report about the recent dignified transfer, but they used different video so

people wouldn't see Trump on the Fox News audience wearing the stupid hat as the fighting

continues the president pausing for a moment Saturday afternoon to offer a final salute

to the six US service members killed in an attack and Kuwait admitting.

And there you see Trump in the background, clearly not wearing a hat, but of course,

we have the real video and Donald Trump is wearing this ridiculous white hat.

Here is just a little bit of video.

So you can see that and Donald Trump very clearly wearing the white hat.

Now this happened a couple of times on Fox News and ultimately they issued an apology

claiming it was merely an accident.

Before we move on, we want to acknowledge a mistake made earlier on our program during

our coverage of yesterday's dignified transfer.

We inadvertently aired video from an older dignified transfer instead of the ceremony

that took place yesterday, right, deeply regret the error and extend our respect to condolences

to the service members families.

We honor the sacrifice of those six American heroes.

Yeah, read off of a teleprompter like a very good boy and then they shifted, this is

just pathetic.

Then they shifted to a version where they just don't show Trump at all.

That way you can avoid the issue.

Just don't even show Trump.

President Trump and the first lady joined grieving families at Dover Air Force Base yesterday

to honor six fallen US soldiers.

These heroes lost their lives in a drone strike and Kuwait marking a somber moment in the

conflict with Iran.

Yep.

So in this video, they just don't even show Trump.

Trump was there.

They're telling you that, but they don't show him pathetic.

My question to you, was it on purpose and they got caught or was it genuinely an accident?

Let me know in the comments.

What if your son or daughter were drafted, conscripted into the American military to go fight

Donald Trump's war in Iran?

Well, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt is not ruling it out.

She was asked a very simple straightforward question.

Are you ruling out a military draft here and instead of saying, no, no, no, we're not

drafting Americans into this, she refuses to rule it out.

Yeah.

And the president had an interesting exchange on Air Force one over the weekend.

Carol, I want to get your take about this idea of troops on the ground.

Mothers out there are worried that we're going to have a draft, that they're going to

see their sons get in and daughters get involved in this.

What do you want to say about the president's plans for troops on the ground?

As we know, it's been largely an air campaign up until now.

It has been and it will continue to be and President Trump wisely does not remove options

off of the table.

I know a lot of politicians like to do that quickly.

But the president, as Commander-in-Chief, wants to continue to assess the success of this

military operation.

It's not part of the current plan right now, but the president, again, wisely keeps his

options on the table.

But as Commander-in-Chief, there's no greater priority or responsibility to this president.

Then of course, protecting the American people and protecting our troops in our bases

in the Middle East, which Iran has been threatening for 47 years.

They have killed and maimed thousands of American soldiers.

And President Trump was not going to allow Iran to attack our bases.

Listen, there's two stories here.

First of all, it is newsworthy by itself that Caroline Levit is not ruling out a draft

or boots on the ground.

Historically, when administrations want to calm the public down, they go, no, no draft.

No draft.

She didn't do that.

Right now, the United States has an all-volunteer military.

Moving to a draft means that the war will have escalated so dramatically beyond current

operations that you need to start conscripting people.

Now, there's another aspect to this where she goes, you know, we, 47 years and we've

finally now going in and knocking out the regime, even though the IOTOla Sun has already

been named the new Supreme Leader.

You have to think for a second and realize it's true.

The United States has had the firepower to, again, it's not really take out the regime

because the regime seems to be surviving, but the United States could have carried out

an operation similar to this for decades.

Many presidents could have chosen to do this and they didn't.

You have to ask yourself, did other presidents not take action like what Trump just took?

Because they understood the difficulty and the unintended and unintended consequences

that would come with it or is Trump the only one strong enough and smart enough to be willing

to do it?

Which scenario is more likely?

I know what I think is the answer to that question.

And in addition to not taking a draft or boots on the ground off the table, Caroline Levitt

did another classic, which they love, love, love, which is, can we blame Biden for some

of this stuff?

Oh, gas prices are spiking because of Iran.

Well, really this is a Biden issue.

The president inherited the worst affordability crisis in our nation's history from Joe Biden

and look at the progress he has made in the course of the past year.

Right.

Let's blame Biden for some of this stuff if we can.

Now of course, we have had serious affordability crises in the United States before the 1970s

inflation crisis, the aftermath of the 2008 financial crash, the Great Recession.

What's notable here is the timing of what Caroline Levitt is saying.

Gas prices are up right now because of Donald Trump's war in Iran and the disruptions that

this is causing to global oil markets.

And so talking about Biden is particularly funny now.

I did see a hilarious thing.

I don't remember the news outlet.

So I don't, I'm not going to say any news outlet because I don't remember what it was,

but I saw a headline like gas prices spiking in Gavin Newsom's California.

And of course, the reason that gas prices are spiking in California and Texas and Florida

and Illinois and Connecticut and Massachusetts and Montana, the reason that they're spiking

is because of what Donald Trump chose to do in Iran.

So it's very funny to go, oh, they're getting really expensive in California where Gavin

Newsom is currently the governor.

So no explanation as to what can be done as to how Americans are being economically

affected by this, basically just blame Biden.

That's what it is.

This is Trump's price spike.

Another clip here with the question of gas prices specifically, Caroline is saying this

is a blip, but we're going to get beautiful low gas prices thanks to this war.

Now with respect to what's happening with gas prices right now, this is a short-term

disruption for the long-term gain of taking out the rogue Iranian terrorist regime and

finally ending their restriction of the free flow of energy in the Middle East and in

the strait of her moose.

And even with this short-term period throughout Operation Epic Fury, the president and his

energy team are on the ball.

They've announced political risk insurance for cargo vessels and oil ships that are

going to be moving through the strait.

They've announced that the U.S. Navy, if and when necessary, will escort those tankers

to ensure that oil can move.

The president is also tapping into our newfound market in Venezuela, where again, there were

a lot of panic in there.

Calling it a market is a bit of a stress.

About that military operation and look at the success we are working in a cooperative

manner with the interim authorities to bring that oil into the market.

So basically the point is, yes, gas prices are up.

It's for the short-term, the long-term is going to be great.

We're going to have dirt cheap gasoline.

And so what Trump has decided for you is that your energy prices will go up, but that's

simply the price of the strategy and it's worth it.

Now, you might say, who decided it's worth it?

Trump did.

That's it.

This is the argument.

The economic pain that he is causing you at home is worth it for the long term.

That is a very different tone from we are going to absolutely reduce oil, gas, energy

prices right away and keep them down and keep driving them lower.

The framing now is you should accept the higher prices because they're good for you.

Try it.

It's good for you.

And it is striking that the administration is already preparing for the absolutely

disastrous economic fallout by saying it's short-term and it's going to be worth it.

Yes, you'll pay more, but it'll be worth it.

Problem solved at least politically according to the White House.

I believe it is time for someone to take away grandpa's car keys and that someone is

Donald Trump and the car keys are the presidency.

They are the nuclear codes.

They are the ability to start wars on a whim.

Donald Trump was asked, would you send in ground troops?

Here is Donald Trump's answer.

It's an inappropriate question to say, hey, are you going to put the sons and daughters

of Americans on the ground in Iran for this hair-brain scheme?

An appropriate question.

Now let me pause there.

Trump says, if I did decide to send in ground troops, which he goes, I'm not going to answer

it, but I might.

I'm not going to answer it, but I might send in ground troops because if I did that, they

would be just absolutely decimated.

There's a different perspective, which is if it got to the point where Trump decided

to send in ground troops, it would be because the entire operation is failing so hard that

out of reflexive desperation, Trump goes send in troops.

He wants you to believe if he sends in troops, it will be very bad for the Iranian regime.

But the truth is, if it gets to a point of Trump sending it in troops, it will be because

it has gone very poorly for the United States, a little bit, a little bit more on them.

We're not looking to settle.

They'd like to settle.

We're not looking to settle.

There are that third or fourth level of leadership, and they have leaders right now that nobody

even knows who they are.

They're being decimated now.

At some point, I don't think there'll be anybody left to say we surrender, but they're

being decimated.

And of course, that does not seem to be what's going on.

Trump's saying they're on their third or fourth layer of leadership.

They have just appointed the IOTO, a son, to be the new Supreme Leader.

Not exactly the regime changed that Donald Trump promised.

Trump asked, did the United States bomb an elementary school and kill 175 people?

Trump goes, I think Iran did that.

Did the United States bomb a girl's elementary school in southern Iran on the first day of

the war and kill 175 people?

Based on what I've seen that was done by Iran, is that true, Mr. Hegseth?

We're looking at Pete Hegseth.

I believe it has now been reported that, yes, it's true, the United States did do that.

And when Hegseth is asked, is it true, Iran bombed their own school?

Hegseth can't even go along with it.

And Hegseth is desperate to go along with Trump, but even Hegseth has to go, well, we're

investigating it.

But the only side that targets civilians is Iran.

We think it was done by Iran, very inaccurate, as you know, with their conditions.

So Trump insisting on a story that appears to be completely false.

And then finally, Trump asked a good question, what would a surrender look like?

Because Trump has said, oh, Iran needs to unconditionally surrender.

Let's see if Trump can put together a couple sentences about what that looks like.

That could happen, too, is we wiped out their leadership numerous times already.

So it's if they surrender, or if there is nobody around to surrender, but they're rendered

useless.

Yep.

Once they cry, Uncle, we will know that they have surrendered in the way that Donald

Trump wants.

Listen, as I've said before many times, I am an opponent of theocratic and authoritarian

regimes.

Period.

That is it.

But even by the standards of Trump of removing this regime, they failed.

The Ayatollah sun has already been named the supreme leader.

What?

I guess they'll go and kill him.

I mean, they might, but it seems as though this is going to be a much more difficult

war to win, despite as usual, Donald Trump going, I got this.

This is super easy.

Give me a couple of days and I will have this wrapped up.

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Donald Trump is recklessly deploying ice agents all over the country.

People have died.

People have been injured.

Citizens have been needlessly harassed and detained.

And are we making anything safer here?

Certainly we're hurting the economy by not only bringing chaos, but also mass deportations

aren't good for the economy.

They reduce the workforce, but are we seeing the crime rate go down faster than it's been

going down for the last 30 years?

No, we haven't.

And so one of the things I wanted to begin to is what can states do to keep ice out or

to hold ice to account?

And one of the people who is doing that is the governor of Massachusetts, Mora Healy.

Massachusetts governor Mora Healy joins us today.

Governor so great to talk to you.

I want to start with ice.

You have done some things that not all states have done to try to limit and restrict ice's

ability to operate.

I guess unfettered is the way that I would say it in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Tell us a little bit about what you've done and to what degree governors really have a

say over these federal operations.

Well, David, I'm governor.

My job is to protect the residents of my state and to protect public safety.

Before I was governor, I was a prosecutor.

For eight years I was attorney general.

I went after and prosecuted bad guys who, you know, whether they were trafficking drugs

or human beings or guns.

I worked a lot with federal law enforcement agencies.

What I can tell you is that ice is not acting like a law enforcement agency and ice is making

our communities less safe around the country and certainly here in Massachusetts.

And, you know, this has been well covered.

I mean, the vast majority of people they're picking up are people who are working who are

paying taxes, who are raising families, you know, growing businesses and the like.

They say they were about the worst of the worst.

That's not what this has been about at all.

So what I did in Massachusetts, and again, this is because I need to protect public safety

of my residents is I took action and banned ice from schools, daycare centers, hospitals,

churches, courthouses because we had kids who were afraid to go to school, people afraid

to go to the doctors.

Because of ice, we had criminal cases being dismissed because victims and witnesses were

afraid to show up in courthouses.

So that's the first thing I did.

The second thing I did is to say no other governor can send their national guard into Massachusetts

without my request or authorization.

And then third, I made sure that no state resources, property or any assets are able to

be used by ice and in whatever ice is doing again, you know, we just shouldn't be at this

point.

But what Christy, no, and DHS have done is completely corrupt ice.

And you know, now we've got an agency with a lot of folks, I think the majority of folks

working at ice now have just recently come on board.

They're not trained.

They don't know what they're doing.

They're not acting like law enforcement should act.

And look, we've seen everything from people being killed in the streets or shot at to US

citizens also being picked up and detained, to little kids being detained.

This is not making us safer and I'm going to do what I can here in Massachusetts to protect

people.

And I think that's what governors and other parts are doing as well.

One of the things we've learned about banning stuff is that if an administration doesn't

really care what the law is, something being banned in theory may still create problems.

Now in different parts of the country, we are seeing, for example, in Minneapolis now,

local prosecutors are criminally investigating the federal forces that were there up to an

including the former commander, I guess, was the name he had of the CBP Gregory Bavino for

this incident where he deployed a canister of green gas against protesters.

Have you had conversations with, be it the attorney general, state police, etc, about

specific scenarios in which you would say we actually have to consider arresting ICE agents?

Yeah.

I mean, I work very closely with the attorney general here and with law enforcement

around the state and with district attorney's offices around the state.

Again, I was a former AG and prosecutor myself.

I can tell you that anyone who commits a crime against a resident and Massachusetts will

be and should be held accountable.

I don't care if you're working for ICE or the federal government.

No one is a love the law here in Massachusetts.

And I know that our law enforcement, including our prosecutors here in the state, are willing

to take action against anyone who commits crimes against residents and Massachusetts, including

ICE.

The important thing too, David, that we've done is we've set up a portal where people can

submit videos, testimony, provide information, documenting offenses by ICE agents.

It's very important that these things be documented, not just for purposes of holding people

accountable as they need to be under the law, including to the extent they need to be criminally

prosecuted, but also just so that we understand what has happened here, what has transpired

here.

We cannot let this happen again in American history.

We cannot let this happen.

I mean, it just saddens me and it's unbelievable to me that we have ICE acting as ICE is acting.

And I think about the men and women who are out there working hard every day to protect

public safety, the size of ICE's budget, it's insane.

It's more than the grand total of all state and local law enforcement budgets combined in

this country.

Right?

And to terrorize our communities, to take mothers and fathers away from their kids, to disrupt

local economies and our communities, it's cruel, it's chaos, and it's not American.

It's not who we are.

Have you received pressure or threats from the Trump administration because of how you

have proactively handled this?

Well, I think all of us have listened to the rhetoric around attacking blue state governors

or blue state mayors or what have you, but I can't pay attention to that.

I got a job to do, David, and my job is to lead my state, is to protect the health and

well-being and the public safety of residents of Massachusetts, it's to protect Massachusetts.

And so we've seen actions by the Trump administration that are threatening.

Look, I've got colleagues, governors who are the subject of criminal species, criminal

investigation right now because the Trump administration and President Trump is about retaliation

and retribution for anyone who stands in his way.

And he's surrounded by people who are, I don't know, have sworn some sort of loyalty

to him.

They forget about the Constitution, they forget about the law, they're ignoring all of that.

All the further, whatever their great leader wants.

That's where we are right now.

But I think it's important that we all stay resolute in who we are.

And I'm going to continue to abide by Massachusetts law and the United States Constitution and do

what I need to do as a leader here in the state.

I want to talk about the economy a little bit.

One of the sort of trickle down, there's real trickle down in this case.

One of the trickle down effects of Donald Trump's actions in Iran are that in the last five or

six days, we've seen a 19% increase in gas prices nationally.

We also since Donald Trump took over in January of 2025, have seen electricity.

This is nationally, of course, go up 10 or 12%.

I see online people posting their electric bills, their gas bills, et cetera.

One of the things about states like Massachusetts and, of course, Connecticut and others

is that there is a very high standard of living.

You know, often people talk about, oh, California's expensive, Massachusetts is expensive.

But at the same time, there is a very high quality of life equivalent.

If you look at the HDI, the human development index to places like Norway and Denmark and some

of these places that are considered good places to live, what are you able to do?

And what can people in Massachusetts expect with regard to gas and heating costs as you are

going to kind of have to deal with the follow on effects of decisions being made about invading

other countries or attacking other countries in Washington, DC, which affect your residents?

Yeah, I mean, once again, Donald Trump is doing things that make life more expensive and

difficult for Americans and certainly people here in Massachusetts. I mean, in the early days,

it was the tariffs, which continue to this day to have serious consequences.

And now we've got the situation that he's created now in the Middle East, where we've got,

you know, supply chain blocked. We've got disruption in the street of our moves.

I mean, this is, this is a big deal. And as you just pointed out already, we're seeing the

consequence at the pump. What I'm doing in Massachusetts is just, and I'm going to continue to focus on

this, you know, from day one, I've been about building your homes as quickly as possible. We've

got a hundred thousand housing starts underway in Massachusetts in just the last three years.

We need to continue to do that to drive housing costs down on energy. I've embraced all of the

above. And we're going full out and deploying as much solar as we can, continuing with our

offshore wind industry, which right now is powering for a hundred thousand homes and businesses

in Massachusetts. We had to take Donald Trump to court. We need trying to shut that down.

I've got hydro coming in from Quebec now that'll actually supply about 20% of electricity needs

here in Massachusetts. And we're doing a lot with battery storage. So, you know, we're going to

continue to bring online as much energy as possible. I want Massachusetts in the North East to be

energy independent and not to be subject to whatever is happening elsewhere with respect to

the Middle East and oil supply, for example. That's what I'm going to continue to focus on.

And the other cost driver for Americans right now is health care. And, you know, I'm the first

governor in our state to cut deductibles and copays. I got rid of prior authorizations recently

so that if you're somebody with diabetes, you shouldn't have to get permission from your insurance

company to get your insulin. We're working every day to find ways to get health care coverage

in the wake of the president cutting $1 trillion from health care in this country. Two months ago,

I had to make sure that because of Donald Trump taking away those health care subsidies, right?

And letting those expire, we came forward and I found some funds to make sure that 300,000

Massachusetts households were able to keep their health care coverage. So, you know, it's a game of

both offense and defense right now with this administration that continues to make life more

unaffordable, more expensive for people, create a tremendous amount of uncertainty.

I can also tell you this, David, and you know, I know you spent time in Massachusetts.

Our economy here, our ecosystem is an innovation driven and a knowledge driven ecosystem.

We've got life sciences and biotech and technology and a tremendous amounts of the defense

industry is powered actually out of innovations and developed development right here. One in 10

R&D jobs in this country are in Massachusetts. And Trump is basically giving it away to China right

now by defunding science and research and allowing other countries to come in and say to our scientists

and entrepreneurs and researchers, hey, come to our country and, you know, you can innovate and develop

and also utilize new technologies. That's just stupid for American competitiveness. So, you know,

it's just to say that we're just going to be strong together. I'm proud to be governor of this

state. Right now, we're number one in the country in education, in health care, and innovation.

I think we have the second highest life expectancy. We've got great parks and outdoor spaces and

recreation. We're incredibly safe state. A lot of great things going for us and that leads to

a great quality of life. But I'm going to do everything I can to protect that David and also

made life more affordable in the face of a federal government that seems to be doing just about

everything to make life more expensive and harder for people. Last thing I want to ask you about it

and I'll let you go and it does have to do with Massachusetts and health care. One of the things

that I've talked to doctors who work at everywhere from Boston Children's Hospital,

Brigham and Women, Beth Israel, Mass General, is that under this maha movement and more generally

the skepticism of vaccines that started after Trump took credit for giving us the vaccines and

then turned against them all of all of this environment. We have doctors and hospital administrators

now worried about is Boston Children's Hospital getting another bomb threat or other threat

because of false rumors about gender affirming care or is Brigham and Women's having to move

around where the family planning departments are because there are people hanging around trying

to berate women or families. What are you doing in working with these hospitals just in terms of

like physical security, which is crazy that this is even an issue for you? Well, I mean we continue

to be in dialogue with our local hospitals and health care providers to make sure that they're safe,

that their providers are safe, that their patients are safe. We continue to enforce the law and

protect people's access to gender affirming care, to reproductive health care, including abortion.

This is so important and it's also these are rights protected here in Massachusetts and we're going

to uphold those rights, but you know the attacks are, it's just insanity, right? I mean you have

an administration, RFK comes in and he takes away vaccines. What do we see? We see measles and

other outbreaks. What do I do as governor? I basically set up my own CDC and we figure out a way to

get vaccines to people. I had my public health commissioner actually write a prescription for

everybody in the state for vaccines and got insurance to cover it. So in Massachusetts if you want

a vaccine, whether it's for COVID or RSV or a childhood immunization, you were going to get that.

So we're going to continue to do everything we can to protect access to health care and to protect

our health care providers. And you know as I'm saying this the only way I can think to describe

some of this, I mean the specter or measles, I mean we've seen measles come back in this country,

right? It's just it's just it's just ridiculous and you know I mean that that kid rock RFK

whatever you want to call it the other day. Imagine that is coming out from a government website.

That is coming out from the Department of Health and Human Services. Are you kidding me?

And it just means that we need to be the adults here as governors. We need to leave in our states

and we need to take care of our people in the face of a federal government that is either incompetent,

cruel, bought off by special interests and not focused on the needs of American people. And

you know that speaks to what's going on in Iran right now. I mean we've got six service members

dead right now. I've got calls from people who are in the Middle East who cannot get home right now

who hear bombs and drones going off you know and around them and there's no plan from the president

right. There's no plan or articulation of a way forward what precipitated this and what the

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mass to choose it's right. And you know it just sort of sickens me that this is where we are.

And of course all this is happening. Well nothing is being said about affordability or making

life easier for people. Of course this is a great distraction from the Epstein files.

Yes. I'm glad to see my former colleague Pam Bonney now asked to testify and be held accountable

I hope for what is just an absolute nabomination. You know this is where we are right now I think.

An unfortunate place to be but I I'm glad that I had the opportunity to chat with you about some

of these issues. Governor of Massachusetts Mora Healy thanks so much for your time today.

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full experience by signing up at join Pakman.com. Well listen to this the Department of Justice

has released a new batch of documents from the Epstein investigation. We're not forgetting about

the Epstein files just because Trump invaded Iran and they include something that is going to

explode sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump. Now these are we've talked about these

before. These are FBI 302 reports. 302 reports are official summaries written by an agent after

interviewing a witness. In this particular case they summarize three interviews that the FBI did

with a woman who says she was sexually assaulted by Trump when she was a minor. Now I want to just

remind you, not everything that is in the files is more than an allegation. The files contain

things which are merely allegations. But what's very interesting is that these were held back by the

DOJ for a very long time and now they are finally out. Now according to the interview summaries,

the woman told investigators that Jeffrey Epstein brought her to meet Trump sometime in the 80s

when she was between 13 and 15. She alleged Trump sexually assaulted her during that encounter.

The FBI summaries say she described the alleged assault in very graphic terms and she said to

investigators that she did attempt to fight back. She also told agents that she had two additional

encounters with Donald Trump after the initial one. But when investigators asked her tell us more

about those, she reportedly stopped and said, I want to move on to some other topic. Now agents later

came back to that and they said, Hey, we would like more information about your contacts with Donald

Trump. And she said she doesn't know what the point would be if there was a good chance,

nothing would ever come of it, which is unfortunately something that is not that rare for victims to

feel what makes the story even weirder again is how these documents came out. Earlier this year,

we were, we've all been tracking it. The DOJ put out this massive trunch of Epstein files and the

interview summaries were missing. And reporters eventually noticed that there was this gap because

a document list was given to attorneys for Epstein associate, Elaine Maxwell. And it referenced

four interviews with the same accuser, but only one had it actually been released. So this exposed

to reporters that, Hey, there's some summaries here that are missing. The other three of the four,

one was released, the other three, which were not released, the ones that include the Trump

allegations. Simply were missing from that trunch of files. So reports flagged reporters flagged

the discrepancy. DOJ said, Oh, those were mistakenly classified. And they were not in the first

batch. And then they released them. Now the DOJ also says that members of Congress are going to be

able to look at unredacted versions of these documents. That's important. But the full picture,

I believe, is still not really public because journalists that are looking really closely at the

Epstein file say that there's at least 37 pages tied to these three interviews that are missing.

It includes investigative notes. What did the agents find in the process of their investigation of

these claims? They show internal communications, which this is theoretical. The internal communications

between agents could expose that they were deliberately slow playing it or trying to get away

from doing their full due diligence here because it was Donald Trump. We don't know. I'm not making

that allegation. I'm saying if that happened, it would presumably be notable in these internal

communication files. Now I, I'm always reminding people, these allegations are not proven.

The accuser has not been publicly identified. The White House, of course, says it's completely

baseless and also says that the alleged victim, the woman, is sadly disturbed and as a criminal

history, which of course is interesting because that person's identity, that woman's identity has

not been publicly disclosed, which if the White House is saying mentally disturbed criminal record,

it means they know who it is. The FBI summaries do reference arrests. They say that the woman

was arrested as a minor and maybe that's what the statement from the White House is referring to.

Now we have additional reporting from the Miami Herald from journalist Julie Kay Brown,

who has done a lot to expose the Epstein scandal and network in the first place,

who says that the Justice Department officials who interviewed the woman considered her credible

enough to interview her multiple times. I think that that goes to show that these documents

are a little bit different than some of the others. I told you about this document that says,

oh, Trump was on a yacht in a little inlet off of Lake Michigan with Epstein and participated

in killing a woman's baby or something like that. And we looked into it and there are not multiple

documents about that. The timing doesn't really make sense. There's questions as to whether the

boats that Epstein would have would even fit in these inlets, like nothing about it really made

sense and there was no follow up. This is different because the FBI determined we need to do multiple

interviews with this person. So not proof here, okay, but investigators wouldn't typically do that

unless they believe there is the potential for credibility here. The obvious question hanging

over this entire story is what else is still in the files that we haven't seen. It doesn't

mean it's about Trump or it certainly doesn't mean it's proof of Trump doing anything in particular.

But given that every single time we found more files, we found major allegations in the files

that now came out, which were not originally released, it would be logical to say what on earth

is going on here. Pete Hegseth was interviewed by major Garrett on 60 minutes and it is completely

and totally deranged asked about all sorts of concerning allegations, intelligence that has been

discovered asked about so many different problems with what's going on in Iran. Pete Hegseth goes

the only real problem, the people that need to be worried right now are these Iranians who think

they're going to live. What a deranged individual. CPS News has three sources telling us that

Russia is providing intelligence to Iran on U.S. positions and movements. The average American

right here that I think that's a big and dangerous deal, is it? Now before we hear his answer,

the premise here is, has Russia joined the war against the United States? As Putin has

Trump wrapped around his finger, is Russia actually fighting against us in this war? Here's Hegseth

response. Well, we're tracking everything. Our commanders are aware of everything. We have

the best intelligence in the world. We're aware of who's talking to who, why they're talking to

him, how accurate that information might be, how we factor that into our battle plans, our

sent-com commander, so we know what's going on. President has an incredible knack at knowing

how to mitigate those risks, and so the American people can rest assured their commander-in-chief

is well aware of who's talking to who, and anything that shouldn't be happening, whether it's in

public or back channeled, is being confronted and confronted strongly. The American people can

therefore expect conversations with the Russians to stop this? Well, President Trump, as people

have seen, has a unique relationship with a lot of world leaders, where he can get things done

that other presidents certainly Joe Biden never could have, and through direct conversations are

indirect, through him, one-to-one, or through his cabinet, messages definitely can be delivered.

Listen to that. Is Iran joined by Russia in this fight against the United States? Well,

Trump's the best. That's number one. Always remember that. Trump is absolutely the best. We are the

best. We have the best everything all the time, and a Biden sucks. Wow. What a great analysis from

the Secretary of Defense. Incredible. Pete Hegseth, by the way, we heard from Caroline Levitt.

We heard from Donald Trump. Hegseth also not ruling out boots on the ground in Iran.

People ask boots on the ground. No boots on the ground. Four weeks, two weeks, six weeks,

go in, go in. President Trump knows, I know, you don't tell the enemy, you don't tell the press,

you don't tell anybody what your limits would be on an operation. We're willing to go as far as

we need to in order to be successful. Pretty rich for Pete Hegseth to be waxing poetic about

informational security, considering what he shared in signal chats, including one that his wife

was in. I struggle to believe that informational security is the most important thing here. And then

finally, finally, Pete Hegseth reminding us, more Americans are going to die. Six U.S. Army

reservists were killed in an Iranian drone attack in Kuwait last Sunday. President Trump and

Secretary Hegseth attended the dignified transfer yesterday at Dover Air Force Base. One more

service members death was announced this afternoon. And President has been right to say there will

be casualties. Things like this don't happen without casualties. There will be more casualties.

And no one is, I mean, especially our generation knows what it's like to see Americans come home

and caskets. Yeah. I'm reminded of the film. I believe this is from Shrek. Some of you may die,

but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to make. And that is exactly where we find our

selves. No congressional authorization. Not really any American interest in fighting this war,

but they've decided that it's a sacrifice that they are willing to make. Now we are going to talk

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