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The Red Wings fall in regulation to the Boston Bruins.

I'm sorry, four to two by the end of it.

And well, we'll get into it, but I don't feel the results.

We're very representative of how the team played,

but nobody gives a crap about that this time of year.

So we'll break down that entire game on this episode,

including a bit of injury update on Dylan Larkin

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the Red Wings fall four to two in Detroit to the Bruins

and what was a another must win game, right?

Like we've been talking about it.

Every game right now is the biggest game of the season

until the next one and they only get bigger.

And they came off a huge win against Montreal

and they had Boston tonight and the all three of those teams

going into that game were in a three way deadlock

for a third in the Atlantic division.

So a win boosts their chances to make the playoffs

up to like 80% and a loss has dropped some down

to the 55%, which they ended up losing so it dropped.

But it's, you know, you see on social media

and you really shit, the social media is, you know,

it's own, it's own fight half the time.

But people panicking and freaking out

and I understand like you want these games to be wins

because of the playoff implications.

And maybe I'm just a fool, but I have a hard time

watching how that game played out

and getting too overly mad, which is weird

because normally I'm the guy who gets overly mad, right?

So I you said I don't know how do you feel on this one?

It was a loss.

It was a big loss, but the team also played great.

And Jeremy Swaman was just next level.

Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate way to,

I don't know, summarize the thoughts and feelings

of a lot of people on Saturday night.

I understand there's obviously just the disappointment

of the loss in general because this time of year it's killer.

But I think, you know, most people that watch that game

are, you know, I don't want to say just like shrug your shoulders

and move on because it's a really big deal obviously

and each result is is a huge deal.

But that's just a situation where like that just happens

in hockey sometimes.

Like is that, is that like fair to, I don't know,

it's just, it's a, it's an interesting emotion

to encapsulate because it's, it is the understanding

that the loss there is brutal and significantly drops

their playoff odds.

But at the same time, every single game

is going to significantly alter every team's playoff odds, right?

Like if they go beat Ottawa, it's going to go back up 20%

or whatever.

So, especially if literally anyone else loses in the division,

which apparently it's all asked.

But yeah, I mean, I think that it's, again,

it's just one of those situations where, you know,

if this game happened in November, we'd just be like,

oh, like you outplayed them and you lost that happens,

it's hockey, but because every point is so meaningful

this time of year, you know, it just becomes a little bit more

magnified.

Yeah, magnified.

And I get it, like, it's a huge loss.

They needed to, when that game,

they're going to need to win every game from here on out.

But because of what you pointed out,

they could go out and beat Ottawa the next game

and it could all be fine and dandy again.

Like we knew what this was going to be going into this stretch

and then we knew winning four straight against the vision opponents

was going to be a tall order.

And they just, and the reason I find it hard to be too mad

and maybe I should be more mad.

I don't know is because they genuinely outplayed the Bruins

for 99% of this game.

There was a stretch in the second period where the Bruins had

the Red Wings pretty hammed in.

But I mean, performance wise, the numbers all back it up,

the Red Wings outshot the Bruins 43 to 27.

And these weren't your shots from the perimeter.

Like they were getting to high danger areas,

getting great opportunities and just getting robbed

by a goalie who is having the best game of his season probably.

Their shot attempts, they had a 57% share of the shot attempts

and a 71% share of the high danger chances

and a 61% share of the expected goals.

Like they dominated this game pretty much the entire time

with the exception of a lull in the second period for a couple of minutes.

And so none of that matters.

I understand that.

None of that matters because they didn't win the game.

But also, and momentum from game to game doesn't exist.

But if they can find a way to bottle this and play like that against Ottawa,

like I'm really confident they're going to win

because you're not going to play Jeremy Swainman every single night.

Right.

And that's the thing.

And you get to talk about difference makers,

you know, how do you outplay a team and still lose four to two?

Well, goal tending was the difference maker in both ways in this hockey game.

Yeah, and I think, yeah, that's a good way to put it.

And, you know, at that door opens, you know, both ways.

Unfortunately, Gibson, I don't want to say had like his worst game of the season

or anything like that.

You know, obviously the first month or so was, was rough for him.

And ultimately, it's still like three goals against.

It's just the goals that he did allow were, you know,

could probably ones that he wants back.

And then he's able to save.

And on the other side, you have Swainman who, I think,

and you had mentioned it before he had record too.

Like the wings had a lot of gray day opportunities and had had high danger shots

and had their shooters and high danger opportunities and spots on the ice as well.

And, you know, the ultimate Trump card in hockey is a good goal.

So, well, yeah.

And Detroit's been on the receiving end of that for a long time.

And so, did John Gibson have a bad game, pick a bad game to have a bad game?

Absolutely.

Is he one of the two main reasons why they ultimately lost by allowing two soft goals?

Yes, there's more to both those plays.

And we'll talk about those when we break down the goals as they happened,

because both the second and the third goal were huge defensive laps,

lapses in front of him as well.

But, I mean, John Gibson, the goal, he's got to make those saves.

And he has been making those saves all season long.

And because he's been making those saves all season long,

the Red Wings are in this position to begin with.

So, that's why I also refuse to crucify John Gibson in this game.

He picked a bad game to have a bad game.

Those are two really soft goals.

There's no denying that you need him to be better.

But also, let's not lose sight of the fact that without his performances,

because with how bad the Red Wings have been at 5 on 5 this season here.

Right.

Not this game not included because Red Wings were great at 5 on 5 in this game.

And probably, you know, they were good at 5 on 5 to start season.

He was struggled.

But since December 1st, like the Red Wings have been really bad at 5 on 5,

but they kept winning games because of John Gibson.

So, he picked a bad game to have a bad game.

And they lose a big one because he couldn't make two relatively easy saves,

a short side shot from distance.

And then a shot through his five hole.

They were running and losing this game.

But also, as equally responsible is the 2.87 goals saved above expected

that Jeremy Swaman put up.

Like, he should have allowed almost three goals more,

according to goals saved above expected than he did, because he was dialed in.

The Red Wings put up 40 plus shots on him and he allowed two.

And a lot of those were from high danger areas.

Emmett Finney had like three right out in front to bring it after they had already scored the empty net goal.

Robbed to bring it again back door from bringing it back within one.

It's just this was a goal game decided by the goal tending.

This is one of those games where the players on the ice did their job.

And the goal tending just said no.

And again, I just find it so hard to be overly mad about this loss.

It's frustrating because of the playoff implications behind it.

But I find it mad to be overly mad about this loss.

Just because of the fact that they really went out and they did their job.

Like, if you want to talk about one area where this team needs to step up.

Still on the ice is the power play.

They almost scored one power play goal on like five opportunities.

Like, that's a huge thing to talk about four opportunities.

But five on five, they carried the play.

They dominated, but Jeremy Swainman just said no.

And it happens.

Yeah, it does happen.

And I think again, it's just it's so weird to talk about like you again,

if this game happened in November, you'd be like, oh,

I'm actually kind of optimistic that they played so well at five on five.

But like this time of year, that's, you know, you're not you're not playing for.

For like, oh, what trends are you looking to see the rest of the season?

You're playing for as many points as you can get in the next three weeks.

So yeah, I mean, they put 43 shots on that light.

I don't.

It is what it is.

Scotty, let's head to a break.

When we return, we'll talk about some of the performances from the hockey games.

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We talked a lot in the segment one about kind of just how the run wings played very well

at five on five.

But goal tending let Detroit down while it brought up raised up Boston in this hockey game.

Who are some of the guys who stood out to you in that five on five domination?

Well, I mean, a lot of to be honest, the usual suspects from I guess the post-larking injury era.

If you will, I thought the Brinkett had a really solid game yet again.

We kind of talked a little bit before we hit record about the high-dain drop opportunities he had in this game.

Going post on one like just, you know, it is what it is.

We've kind of beat that horse, I guess, but yeah, I thought that I thought that cat was a big reason yet again.

I mean, Alex to bring it has continued to step up as the team has needed him.

So there's really no qualms with him, right?

Like it wasn't just the goal.

He scored the goal early in the third period, more excited with primary assists.

He encroaches on a new career high himself and it was one heck of a shot went bar down beat

swam in glove side using kind of a partial screen to beat him which was struggling to do all night long because he was incredible through all the screens.

But again, I digress and he got denied a couple more times.

He hit a cross bar in the first period.

The Red Wing's first opportunity was a two on one that he beat swimming on but went cross bar out.

Red Wing's actually going to have a shot on that until like 10 minutes in.

But they were still getting a lot of shot attempts off.

No one wants to hear that though.

So I don't know.

He was great all night long.

Kane was good at the buy in from that line defensively.

Like you're still seeing Patrick Kane buzz around the ice trying to force the forecheck or even get back to play defense.

Like the buying is there from the team.

It's just again.

Campy couldn't beat swimming in a game where they played really, really, really well and that sucks.

It does suck.

The other goal score in the soccer game was Lucas Raymond.

He was they needed him to find the back of the net because he was one of the players who has not stepped up in Larkin's absence and has struggled since really just December at five on five.

His goal does come on the power play.

It was a beautiful, beautiful passing play.

I was I believe to break it.

Decider to Kane to cop who really really well deceptively masked his pass.

He the way he turned his hips and looked made it look like he was going to go to cat in the bump bumper and three Bruins kind of all went to cover that passing lane.

And then he turns and fires it to Raymond back door.

So great deceptive pass by Andrew cop to find Raymond back door who needed to get on the score sheet.

And I felt like there was definitely more of an emphasis for Raymond in the hockey game to shoot the pokémon.

I think that probably comes after McClellan spoke to him after last game.

They were asked to use that's about it in the media availability.

Remember when he had that puck in the high slot, how to shooting lane and try to pass it back door to somebody who was covered.

So I think there's definitely been more of an emphasis on Raymond to shoot the puck, which is they needed and that was a no brainer.

I mean, that puck is back door wide open now.

So he didn't shoot that one.

We'd be having a heck of a conversation here.

Yeah, so you needed him to get on the score sheet.

So that was good to see.

But I mean, outside of that, that's it for the goal.

They're scoring, right?

Yeah, and I don't know.

I'm interested in if we learn more about Raymond.

I mean, you've kind of alluded to it a couple of times over the last few weeks.

And the fan base has kind of been asking if he's been 100% this season.

The point production has been still obviously fantastic.

It's just he doesn't shoot and it was nice to see that change.

He had a wide open that.

So again, I'm glad he was I'm glad he was shooting for that one and on that one rather.

But yeah, I mean, I guess for the game, that's kind of it.

I mean, we can go through like all the high danger opportunities they did have that, you know, swimming just enough.

But well, you know, what is what it is?

I feel like we could talk about how they lost this hockey game outside of Gibson, right?

Because I hinted at it in segment one.

John Gibson has to make the those two saves on the second and third goal.

The goal by Lindholm and Nikita Zadorov.

This is a door of one. I'm sorry.

The Lindholm one was between his legs and the Zadorov one was short side from distance.

But there was two misplace or breakdowns that happened that led to that.

And the first one has been the Red Wings kryptonite all season long.

And this is an area if you want to point to and say this is the why they they sucked.

Like sure, whatever.

Red Wings famously this season, Scotty stink at clearing the zone.

Like routinely it wasn't as big of an issue in this game.

But when it became an issue, it cost them a goal.

They routinely get that puck up to the boards, the half wall to wherever that winger is.

And they just could not get it past the defenseman and it happened in this game.

Now I don't recall exactly who was on the ice for the Red Wings in that moment.

But they get the puck up to the blue line.

And the Red Wings have the puck and they try to chip it out and it gets knocked down.

And because the Red Wings began transitioning up the ice expecting that puck to get out.

They didn't have enough guys back and Lindholm is still sitting there.

Far side back door nobody buy him.

So when the Bruins were able to keep it in, the Red Wings are under manned.

They find Lindholm back door who fires it and Gibson's got to make that safe.

He doesn't goes five hole.

It's in it's a tie game shortly after to bring it had given the Red Wings the lead in the third period.

So while Gibson's got to make that save, the Red Wings this season have struggled to transition the puck outside the zone,

which is why they've struggled at five on five.

Their transition game has been borderline non-existent in most games.

It was good in this game until the moment it absolutely killed them.

So it's it's just how can they make that better?

How can they improve that?

Because there's so many times that puck comes to them on the boards on the half wall

and they just can't manage to corral it properly, then they get pressured.

They lose the puck and it stays in or they can't corral it properly.

Try to just chip it out as best they can.

It gets knocked down by the defender and then they have the other team has men the other way

because the rest of the forwards begin transitioning out of the zone, expecting it to come out.

How do you get that better?

Better players.

Better players?

Yeah.

How are you going to play more talent?

Right.

And then the third goal, this is the second time that this has happened.

And we'll probably leave the conversation about Edvinson for segment three.

But Edvinson's gap control on Zadorov's second goal of the season mind you was terrible.

He was so far back and it gave a clear, it gave time and space to Zadorov to wind up and shot.

All Simon Edvinson accomplished in that moment was being a screen for Nikita Zadorov.

So the Red Wings outplayed the Bruins at five on five.

Most of the game, those are two saves Gibson's got to make.

But they're also two pretty big misplays by the Red Wings that led to those goals against.

So it's like, yeah, you can dominate the five on five plays much as you want.

But if you can't clean up the simple mistakes and they cost you, it brings me back to what I said in segment one.

Nobody's going to care.

And people are going to be frustrated.

And they are.

And I think to a degree rightfully so.

So anyway, Scotty, let's head to a break unless you got more to add.

Nope.

Okay.

We'll talk more about Edvinson on the other side of this break.

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Scotty, I feel like I'm bouncing off the walls right now.

Like I'm like I just finished my third cup of coffee.

Does it come across that way?

Do I feel sound like I'm bouncing off the walls?

No, I don't think so.

Okay.

Okay, good.

I mean usual.

No, that's true.

I in general.

I am caffeinated up right now.

I had a third cup of coffee, which I do not typically have.

So it's great.

Right.

Scotty, Simon Edvinson.

I pointed it out at the end of segment two.

He did not play proper gap control on Zodorov, which helped lead to the soft goal against by John Gibson.

Was a pretty impactful factor in that.

So second time in that three game point streak that the Red Wings had because it was a three game point streak overtime lost win win.

That this has happened and it's cost them a game.

It happened in the Dallas game in which they lost an overtime.

He didn't play proper gap control on Thomas Harley.

He shot.

He scored.

Simon Edvinson was benched following that goal.

He played one shift the rest of the game.

Simon Edvinson hasn't quite been up to the caliber.

He was before he got hurt since he has returned.

And a lot of it isn't ability.

A lot of it seems to be up here, the mental aspect.

His decision making hasn't been the best.

And by no means am I hitting the panic alarm because we've seen what he can do when he's like in the zone.

He played great with cider for a long stretch before his injury.

He's prone to a couple boneheaded moves, but it feels like since he's returned, he's trying to do a little bit too much.

Or he's not seeing the ice 100% clearly.

I think that goal against was more of the nail in the coffin than the whole reason why he was benched.

Because there were moments in the soccer game, Scotty, where he was making poor decisions on either passes or trying to rush the puck up.

That was costing them turnovers and not man rushes.

Yeah, and you know, it's been a, I don't know, kind of a smaller conversation point for a lot of the season.

Like even before the injury, it was like, yeah, like Edmonton had a great game, but he had two really bad penalties or like he had a great game, but there was this it just.

And again, like I think he's going to be fantastic.

We've seen the upside already this year.

He's very young and that's part of just like the growing pains and the development of young players, especially like defensive defensemen, right?

You got to kind of take your lumps and adjust accordingly, but I think that that's.

It's it's magnified in these games and in these moments, because every point matters so much.

But I think honestly that's been kind of a reoccurring theme for a large portion of the year.

And yeah, I mean, I think he grows out of that and develops out of that.

And he'll be fine and everything will be good and he'll be an amazing defenseman.

But yeah, I think this year that's been the good is really good.

The bad are just like lapses that are, you know, kind of really bad.

Well, and like it cost you in the soccer game, you know, plays, plays better gap control or plays better gap control against Dallas.

And maybe they don't get scored upon.

You could also say Gibson's got to make both those saves.

And he needed to make both those saves and both those instances.

So I mean, the red wings.

I'm sure a lot of people listen to the show like they hear how I'm like I'm responding to the loss in like almost a positive manner in this late into the season.

And they probably roll their eyes and say they got to win these games regardless.

And they will almost like justifiably to some degree in my head point to those moments where it's like, yeah, they can have that buy in.

But if in the moments that matter the most, they don't lock it down and play smart hockey or get the little things right.

Then it's going to continue to cause them because it did in this game.

So it's not as if the people who are frustrated or more frustrated than I am aren't without merit because I think there is merit there.

But anyways, back to the players that played really well in the soccer games, Scotty.

I really liked Marco Casper's game.

Yeah, yeah, I think Casper and Finney, Finney as well.

I mean, that was how he walks out of this game without a goal scored is pretty.

I don't know, miraculous in a bad way.

He had a handful of high danger opportunities in this game.

And yeah, I think him and Casper have kind of both together.

I mean, you know, taking a lot of steps in the right direction and kind of been playing much better over the last few weeks than they had before that.

So hopefully that's a thing where Larkin comes back and all these guys that were talking about how well they've been playing without Larkin, you know, continue to play that way.

Well, I mean, Finney had what three, four high danger opportunities right in like high danger scoring areas.

And he just couldn't bury the puck because Jeremy Swaman was unreal.

Like in the third period, he had two on one shift alone.

He he's been playing really, really well as a center.

And I don't it's just another moment of Emmett Finney really surpassing our expectations.

I don't know.

I mean, I said at the start of the season, just him staying on the team all season long in any capacity was like above and beyond.

Expectations for sure.

And now he's your two C and he's doing well as your two C getting huge high danger opportunities.

It's it's a thing to behold.

Honestly, it's super impressive what he's been doing in a vacuum outside of this game.

In a vacuum what he's been doing has been so impressive for the Red Wings.

For sure.

I like Justin folks game a lot.

I think he's come in.

We talked about it.

He's really stabilized the defense for the Detroit Red Wings.

I think that now this game notwithstanding with Gibson and the defense outside or with him in it really gives me confidence that this team is going to be pretty good from it in a night in night out basis on from the defensive side of the puck.

They're still going to make mistakes every team does.

But now my only concern on every any given night is can they score?

It's no longer can they score and then not get him to their zone for five six minutes at a time each period.

Yeah, and I think that you know it's it's something.

It's certainly much better than it was.

Again, it's it's almost a double-edged sort of like a lot of people have stepped up and played really well in Larkin's absence.

But then you also kind of have to ask why was that just not how a lot of these people were playing before Larkin went down.

And hopefully Larkin's back soon and they continue to play that way.

Correct.

All right. Well, Scotty.

Speaking of Larkin, there's a little bit of an update on him before the game on Saturday.

The Red Wings obviously skated. Larkin took place and took part in the skate.

He was on the ice with the team this time.

Did it take part in regular lion rushes, but it sounds like he kind of mixed in every now and again.

I don't believe he's been cleared to cleared for contact yet.

But McClellan did mention that he is getting closer to day by day or day two day status as he's also chomping out the bit to return.

So we said two weeks from the day McClellan said that was the day before the Buffalo Sabers game.

So it looks like he's on that timeline to possibly return.

He's got to find out the reassessment.

Don't know what's ahead, but things are looking to be going in the correct direction for Larkin to make his return.

And if this team, that's the thing too.

If the team can play like tonight, most nights and get Larkin back and he can contribute at that.

Again, that's going to be a huge boost for the Detroit Red Wings, which is again why I'm not panicking because even while it's a big loss.

Any given game, any given winner loss is going to drastically change the playoff outlook with how tight it is.

For sure. Yeah, that's what I said at the top of the show, right?

Like we're, you know, you can talk about a 20% swing or whatever it was in playoff odds because of a loss.

Well, if they go out and win and one other team loses when they win, you know, against Ottawa, then like it's going to go right back up, you know, 20, 25%.

You got to take care of business. Obviously you can't go out and you can't lose to Ottawa and Buffalo because that is really going to hurt your your odds.

Yeah, but I mean, I didn't think they were going to sweep this four game swinging against Atlantic division opponents.

It would have been great to have this one and hold on to it.

So it's frustrated from that regard.

But I mean, just like the way they celebrated around Jeremy Swaman at the end of the game.

Like the Bruins knew that he stole them this game.

For sure. For sure.

I don't know. I know if it's weird that I'm not the one who's freaking out.

That's all I know. It's an odd feeling because normally I'm the freak out guy.

And I'm not freaking out. That's odd. The freak out guy. That's what we call you.

Brian the freak out Fisher.

Yep. The enforcer. The producer.

The freak out.

And Fisher.

Anyways, I feel like I've been all over the places episode Scotty.

Any final thoughts?

We ball, baby.

We do ball.

New game next game on Tuesday. They play the senators.

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