Govern America with Darren Weeks and Vicky Davis, September 12, 2026 Hour 3

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5:16Talk to me. Governor America. Truth for restoration of our nation. Governor America. We'll address any situation. Come together for a little deliberation. Welcome back to the broadcast. This is our number three here in Governor America. It continues to be the 12th of September, 2026. During this hour we have Casey Whalen and James Fetzer. James Fetzer is a marine, retired academic, having specialized in the areas of philosophy

6:18of science, cognitive science, artificial intelligence and computer science. He served as a professor at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, where he retired as professor emeritus in 2006. He co-founded the scholars for 9-11 Truth in 2005. Also joining us is Casey Whalen. He is an independent journalist and activist and founder of North Idaho exposed. He has served as a government watchdog for many, many years. He's back with us again. He's currently working on, by the way, a documentary about Jim Fetzer's life. So we'll get into that some in addition to 9-11 itself. So hopefully I think I have both gentlemen here. Casey, are you there? Yeah, I'm here, Darren. Thanks for having us on today. Yeah, my pleasure. Jim, are you there as well? I'm delighted to join you. Yes, I am. All right, very good. I'm glad to. Love it when the plan comes together here. And all the, hey, Envicky Davis is here as well. Say hi, Vicky.

7:18Hi, I'm here. So I'm wondering if you either one of you can jump in here. Did you watch any of the media coverage of the 9-11 anniversary yesterday? And if so, I'm curious as to what your impressions are. Well, the media coverage was pretty superficial, you know, talking about the official line of how it happened. The Islamic terrorists and all that. But it's a complete fabrication. In fact, my take, based on collaborative research, where I brought together hundreds of investigators from around the world, when I found it, scholars for 9-11, two of them, 2,000 pilots, his, his engineers, aeronautical, mechanical, structural, civil. We have been massively lied to by the government. The only fact they've actually asserted is the World Trade Center was destroyed. Because my research, which has been very extensive in his, I say, collaborative,

8:19which reduces dramatically the probability of making a mistake. She was all four of the crash sites were fabricated or faked. I'll be it in different ways. And that the mode of destruction of the twin towers was completely different. They weren't even designed to collapse. They were built with like a 20 factor, safety factor. In other words, each floor could support 20 times the initial load. There was no pancake collapse at all. They were being blown apart in every direction by powerful sorts of energy. Converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, which by the way is a signature of the use of nuclear devices. Yeah, I know that you probably, I've read that your position is that nuclear devices were used. Some people would counter that by saying that there's no traces of radioactivity or anything in the dust. How do you explain that? But that's completely ridiculous.

9:19The US Geological Survey studied 35 samples from 35 locations and found a host of elements that would not have been there. Had this not been a nuclear event with the land and I'm trading them some of which only exist in radioactive forms, not only that. The pattern of medical maladies, parallels that a Chernobyl, all kinds of odd, multiple Maloma, leukemia, esophageal, pancreatic cancer. At this point in time, there are about 70,000 deaths. And as I say, the pattern is just like Chernobyl where they had a nuclear breakdown, you know, meltdown. And the effects were virtually indistinguishable. Yeah, let me add this. Yeah, go ahead. The ground was hot until mid-December. Yeah, I remember that. It had to be something very powerful that kept this, you know, it undermines the theory of directed energy weapons where in a recent presentation, I've shown that there's no comparison between when we know that directed energy was used like Lahaina or Paradise California or Pacific the Palisades.

10:34There's no resemblance, of course, bonnets, so what we had in New York and the wake of the attack. And that the design of the buildings was such that they functioned as Faraday cages, which means they would be resistant, Kenny, electrical attack. And plus we don't have a source for where those doosers are supposed to have originated. So the fact is that there really is only one viable explanation. It's simply that the media is unwilling to report it. And the average citizen would have difficulty comprehending it. And yet it lets you understand the elements. It's very clear. Yeah, you can't fit nuclear devices into their narrative. And that would certainly be an issue, no question, or bomb planting of any sort. Because yet you know, I mean, Trump was talking right off the bat about something that haven't been involved. That planes couldn't have entered the buildings. That planes couldn't have brought the buildings down.

11:35And that something else had to be involved. He even used the word bombs himself. Yep, that's true. Yep, I've seen the videos of Trump saying that. Yeah, and as you watch the video of the buildings in the various videos of the buildings falling, you can see explosive. What appears to me anyway to be explosive charges. Now I'm no expert, but there definitely does appear to be, you know, detonations going on very much the same way that you would have some kind of a controlled type of demolition. Yeah, but they could have been set off for effect. You know, because you only saw that at the top of the building. You didn't see it as it collapsed. So you have to separate, you know, what was part of the illusion and what was part of the actual demolition. Well, the dust cloud from things falling and pan-caking on the ground certainly created a big cloud.

12:40So as it fell, it became harder to see certain things. But go ahead. I think you're going to say something. Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't really falling. Look, we had a collapse with building seven about seven hours after the destruction of the North Tower about five 20. That was a classic control demolition. All the floors are coming down at the same time. Lovely, the speed of free fall. And when it's over, there's a pilot debris of equal to about 12 percent of the original height of 47 floors, five and a half floors of debris. If you applied that same principle to the 110 story twin towers, we should have 13 and a half floors of debris had they collapsed. But it isn't there. In fact, I have father Frank Morales from St. Mark's Episcopal Church of Perfume's Monter on my own radio shows twice. And the emphasized ability to were destroyed too or even slightly below ground level. That's inconsistent with any kind of collapse.

13:41They were converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust. It was a, it was a mini nuke in a sub basement. The building design was a tube within a tube. You had the massive 47 core columns. That was the inner tube. Then you had 230 external steel support columns to create all this open space. You got all kinds of architecturally designed awards, very robust. The hands Palmer P. O. M. M. E. R. has the most sensational detailed report showing how the inner tube was destroyed from the bottom up. And then the outer tube from the top down. And of course, we're outside external to the building. So we're seeing the outer tube and what's happening to it. But the repetitious use of the word collapse has had a powerful psychological effect to predispose individuals to think it's a collapse when it's not a collapse at all. The floors are remaining stationary. That means they aren't collapsing.

14:42They're waiting their turn to be blown to king them come. And it was what happened power powerful source of energy inexplicable by the aircraft yet fuel or this thing called nano thermite, which turns out to have very minimal expose power only one 13th is powerful is TNT, for example. So really we have been played I actually described 911 as a main for TV movie because there are many violations of physics and a barodynamics in other words, we are being played massively. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Casey, do you have anything you wanted to add? No, not really. I mean, I would defer all 911 questions to Dr. Fetzer. The candle is knowledge. But I've just been busy working on my pet project, Idaho anti Zionist calm and I'm running an article and trying to expose board influence on Idaho. That's why I've been really focused on but I appreciate.

15:47Yeah, it's a pleasure having you here now. I know you're working on a documentary film as well about Jim Fetzer's life and we'll talk certainly talk about that as time progresses here because just watching some of the raw footage that you sent over. It was very, very interesting here in Mr. Fetzer talk about that and some of his some of his happenings from his childhood as well. You know, it's definitely and just a resume. Jim that you have is remarkable all the stuff that you have. Even on the university website, even though they're they're kind of trying distance themselves now because a little bit too scared. They don't want to yeah, they don't want to fly too close to the to the flame, so to speak. But you want to know what's interesting is that there was an associate Dean in the graduate school who liked my work on JFK.

16:48So that's see, I began in 1992 and the wake of all over the Dones Film. I reached out to a fellow who is complaining about the abuse of the journal of the American Medical Association of Marmoda political agenda. I had a huge amount of editorial experience. I'd even found it an international journal for cognitive science, artificial intelligence and philosophy called minds and machines. And I knew that this the editor of the journal of the American Medical Association was abusing his position. I found a member of the association who wrote a letter complaining about the abuse invited him to join me in a long article or a book about JFK. His name is David W. Mantic, MDP HD and he's proven to be the leading expert on the medical evidence in the assassination of JFK. But the university was very supportive, sponsored two different conferences. One in 1999 in Minneapolis where I brought together several dozen experts and based on that published a book called Murder and Dealer Plaza.

17:56And in 2003 they supported my having a second conference in Duluth with a very small number just six the best experts on this approved film which led to publishing the greats approved film host. And I kicked it off in the beginning with a book called Assassination Science where I had Mantic but other experts who I brought together contribute including a world authority on the human brain who was also an expert on womb ballistics. A doctor had been trauma room number one at Parkland the last position to observe the body closed his eyes when he was wrapped in sheeps, put in the bronze ceremonial casket, a legendary film and photo analyst, another PhD I flew up from Australia who had a specialization in electromagnetism. The properties of light and images are moving object was able to prove based on teachers internal to the film that is a prudert film the current version we have is a fabrication made out of original elements that have been been processed and massively edited using optical printing and special effects where Vincent,

19:01the lawyer, the celebrated prosecutor Charles Manson in his book a 1500 page effort to resurrect the Warren report describe mine is the only exclusively scientific books published on the assassination which was true at the time but now Doug Horn who was ahead of the senior analyst for military records for the assassination records review but is published a five volume set called inside the ARRB. David himself is now published several additional books about his discovery that the autopsy X-rays had been altered they can seal a massive blow out to the back of the head that none of the autopsy X-rays in the National Archives is an original and were Bob Livingston this world authority in the human brain that discovered they substituted someone else's brain for JFK. When you put those together you find the cover of is the key to unpacking who is responsible because KGB and I Castro Cubans mafia could not have extended their reach and the Bethesda Naval Hospital to alter X-rays under control of medical officers of US Navy and agents of the secret service nor substitute of brain knew or take control as a prudert film which again was in control of the secret service of the

20:24film. It turns out the secret service was involved the film was sent to a secret CIA photo lab adjacent to Kodak headquarters in New York and Rochester called Hawkeye Works so that the original was taken to the National Photographic Interpretation Center in Wednesday on Saturday. The first one was one team analyzed what would have revealed five hits to JFK but then the following day they brought the substitute film massively altered Darren made the switch with a different team working I mean it's a fascinating story but they had a glitch because they took out so many frames and they were merging different hits together that you have this violent back into the left motion which actually did not occur in fact in Dealy Plaza. The moment that the accident was in the back of the building and shortly thereafter in the throat by a bullet to pass through the windshield but he still appeared to be alive so he sidenled in the driver hold the limousine to the left and do a halt and during that time he was hitting the back of the head slump forward Jackie he's up was like in a right in the face when he was in the right temple and

21:41nearly simultaneously right here from the front and side and he slumped to the left but there was none of this back into the left that's right when Jackie climbs up onto the trunk to get this big chunk of Jack skull and brains are there on the trunk which he carries all the way to Parkland. In the most poignant moment of the entire assassination she walks into trauma room number one turns to pepper jinkens the anesthesiologist he stands at her hand and asks will this help. You think that there is a correlation I don't know if you've looked into the Charlie Kirk assassination at all but yeah I have I've actually ever done a lot on it I can tell you quite a bit about it. It's almost something ghoulish about them murdering people right out in the open in front of the entire nation and it seems to me to be a huge psychological operation I would be interested to hear what you have to say on the Charlie Kirk thing.

22:45Yes well you may be surprised because I'm actually currently editing a book Charlie Kirk that are alive for moon rock books. It turns out that in addition to my work on JFK in 9-11 I've done work on Paul Wellstone plane crash which occurred just 60 miles north of my office on the Duluth campus University of Minnesota. Sandy Hook Boston bombing Orlando Dallas Charlottesville Parkland even the moon landing now all of this is collaborative. I bring together experts for example on Sandy look I brought together 13 experts in green six PhDs and we established a school of been closed by 2008 there were no students or teachers there and it been a team of drill presented as mass murder to promote gun control we even had the team of manual which I included in a band of say Amazon band the book unless a month even though it is sold nearly 500 copies and they banned five other of my business.

23:49And it's not because I got things wrong it's because the government doesn't want this to be out to the public to understand how they do these things and in fact they're using a private company Amazon to violate the what would be a violation for the government of the first amendment because the amendments actually apply to government action private companies can do this sort of thing. The government enlisted Amazon to ban the six of my book well five of them because the other the six was a result of the ADL asking Amazon to ban any book that questions are challenging official narrative of World War II regarding the holocaust and there's a section in that book of several essays by the leading experts on revisionist history trying to get things right disputing that account. So Amazon obligingly ban 200 to maybe even 2000 books that had any challenge to the official story of the holocaust having the situations that bad.

24:55Now with regard to Charlie Kirk here's the deal the turning point was originally founded to be a pro is we all student movement to get young people involved in subarming Israel. He went to Israel went to the wall. That question about October 7th he no longer believed the agenda he was skeptical about beating at Yahweh and could comply with it in Candace in Tucker and in Clayton that he couldn't carry heavy water for Israel any longer now. And that you know who beat it was very upset offered him $150 million to stay on the reservation. I think the the terminology was take turning point to the next level. Yeah, yeah very good. They turning point to the next level. Now the alternative was they were going to kill it no doubt. So we had this choice between silver and lead. Based upon my research and you're going to be able to follow this up because the book will be out I think during the trial this complete path see trial.

25:59Show trial. Yeah. Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous. He's no more responsible for for shooting Charlie Kirk than was Lee Oswald who was actually in the doorway of the book depository when the motorcade passed by. But the fact is that Charlie himself was involved in staging his death so that he could continue to live and not be taken out by Israel. And I find it a fascinating case you you here's what happened read up a square wonder is under his shirt that kind of puffed up and he lean back but he initiated the whole thing touching his nose. He's got his assistant's are doing these baseball type gestures with a cap and all that there's a guy in a brown shirt right in front gets a signal touches his left arm set off the air squib. Charlie kind of falls back then we get this interruption because a guy named Zen claims he was a shooter we got a disruption in the coverage. And when they come back they've been a CGI to add the blood in which wasn't there originally Candace got a hold of you know was able to watch footage from the camera directly behind Charlie and she was shocked because there was no blood.

27:13I just discovered on ABC the day after they showed footage of the crowd running away from the from the 10 but it was an empty 10 in the crowd is only about 25% of those were they were looking at the crisis actor rehearsal they put it on you step not just your step of office had it on there and they didn't even realize they were showing our crisis at the rehearsal. Okay hold it right there I got the bottom of the hour break so we'll just have a few minutes away and we'll be right back okay. All right ladies and gentlemen we're visiting with Jim Fetzer we also have Casey Whaling on the line as well we'll be talking about a documentary he's working on and we'll be back at a moment here after the break here I'm covered America. Whole not fractionated not standardized not adulterate but pure and nature made for excellent digestion absorption utilization and elimination. Colorado Sylogy is raw whole unadulterated and alive pre-processed sylogy imported from Himalayas Russia China Pakistan are most often cooked boiled small and if it's legit definitely beneficial but maybe not truly whole.

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33:11And we're back this is government America final half hour of the show here talking about 911 talk about Charlie Kirk talking about the JFK assassination and many other things here is time progresses. I have to say that I do think Charlie Kirk this is my opinion was murdered and I do think that he honestly I think it was a bullet I think it was he had a rigged microphone under his shirt and it blew up and that would explain why they. Why they paved over the crime seat seeing the very next day but we can certainly agree to disagree and that's perfectly OK. I think all of us if we're legitimate on the on the right side of things are just we just want answers and that's part of this question is deliberate and talking things out. So anyway so I just want to jump here real quick to Casey because I don't want to have the hour expire without being able to talk about your interject.

34:24Oh go ahead yeah. Yeah absolutely 11 Christopher Key has been very keen on my work and I've done a couple shows with him on Charlie Kirk and then couple with him on Sandy Hook but we did one on 911 and earlier this morning I took a look it's on the two Peters network. He gave it the title 33 undeniable facts 911 was a false like attack earlier this morning it had over 82,000 hits OK 82,000 views they've changed the number down to 5,327 since this is another way they manipulate what's going on here. So if anyone wants to see what I'm describing in the space in detail this is probably the most thorough going 911 presentation I've ever made and I have made a lot of them. I've been flown around the world to give talks on 911 check out two beaters network this thing with Christopher key 33 undeniable facts OK yeah sounds very good and hey if you'll send me that I'll put it in the show notes for today's episode.

35:30Yes my pleasure. Yeah now Casey I'm interested to know just how you're how do you come into contact with him. I had done a show a couple times over the years just just a couple times like I did the Rob deal and on revolution radio and and so I think I met him through through that a little bit and then I went and filmed the JP conference in Somerset Kentucky. I think it was 2024 June 30 and met Dave Gahari and Dick Harry of money tree publishing works with Jim and so that's really kind of how this whole thing started I told Dave it'd be great to capture Jim's life he has these radio shows where he's talking about conspiracy theories and and his work which is great but I think for our rival purposes it was really important to get his life story filmed and you've seen the I let. Jim I did let Darren and Vicki see the the raw footage so they've basically seen it without the content.

36:33Oh great. So they have a little bit of feedback that's what that's what Darren was looting to earlier he's actually seeing it so he you know I think there's there's something to this like people will learn things about Jim they didn't know and that was really the whole point and so Jim's Jim's worked with with me on this project as far as direction that sort of thing and I I think he's really happy with that. I think and Jim might tell people some of the guests that we're going to have in the documentary. Well, they've got here it gives a gives an introductory piece Mike Palachek with which I've added with whom I've added that many moonwalk books including the sand to go Boston bombing Charlotte's the old parkland books has an intermediate piece in Jack ballin. He's an extraordinary guy has a closing piece about it where he has organized a group all things reconsidered to support my efforts which involved legal involvement to because I've been sued to take advantage of it.

37:43When the Amazon band the send you book I released this for free is a PDF and I have a friend who has to be has been downloaded millions of times so they want to put a stop to that because they orchestrated a lawsuit against me that was highly tabricated I was glad because I wanted to get all of this evidence to a judicial process into the public record of the loss it was over. You have some information I mean if nobody died at Sandy's I think clearly any death certificate for an elected to see is going to be paid well the party who actually wanted to sue me provided a research colleague with a copy and then copy of an incomplete death certificate for this recorded son and and no good enough research to know this was a fabrication it was me going to complete that certificate didn't have a pie number of catered state or town sort of a thing. But they lost the lawsuit over and they added to the complaint a different complete that certificate it turned out to be five different version of this death certificate in the legal proceeding but the key thing is that the scheduling conference although I had this mass of evidence including an FBI report which remains to this day showing no deaths in new town for that year 2012 and there would have had to be a

39:10year of the 27 if it was legit and that FBI stands to this day with copies of the you know the manual for the event and a whole bunch of other stuff I just had a mass of evidence the school and the plurable condition the judge would not allow my evidence to be admitted so that you could create the impression of no disputed facts and use a mechanism called summary judgment with the judge simply rules because there's no factual dispute on the basis of the law. But I didn't have two reports to put to forensic document experts at the death certificate was fake he wouldn't even accept that I mean this is just outrageous and it's been astonishing that I carried this case all the way all the way to the US Supreme Court and now the Supreme Court I think didn't pursue it because they felt it was a state issue but they should have because this is going to stop you of all the first 10 amendments all nine of the three first 10 amendments have been affirmed by the Supreme Court to apply to all 50 states the one that has not the seventh the right to a jury by trial which I was denied by means of this summary judgment in any case I've got a massive additional evidence I the private investigator review the the Sandy Hook police files discovered they removed the metadata from all the photographs that the photographs were inconsistent you got it down a hallway there's supposed to be a

40:39two bodies in school for blood there's no bodies no rules of blood in a classroom a stack of kids bodies no kids bodies not even any desert chairs are all pushed up to the side so he's a he wrote an affidavit for me and this is one of the basic forms of evidence that you know the evidence supports not only no mass murder but it wasn't even an operating school which we concluded in the book one before turns out the school works it was closed in 2006 it ain't very cold or cold came to new town offered the community of fourteen billion dollars if they do this they have they had auditions for roles they had non-disposure agreements they receive taxed they don't pay any taxes and participants in the drill don't pay taxes to this day and they continue to scam the american public to the tune of a million bucks of my obama on the shanty her coach yeah it's amazing isn't it uh... i remember watching that whole thing play out and i myself had a lot of questions about sandy hook

41:43you know i wonder what you think of the whole aliex jones thing where he was sued with uh... basically they took away info wars shut the whole thing down uh... and it was all over sandy hook they were what are your thoughts on that the role fabricated cases in the sense that they had predetermined conclusion so did mine because in the meanwhile some of the participants reach out to me because they didn't like the way i was being beat up in the law in the courts of law and it's sent the additional proof including the the the theme of the schedule for canada that theme of showing this exercise l three six six right on their schedule where they set it on announcement about an even gave a map as how to get from three madgers and with or down to the distance and driver the school located the aliex jones thing if Robert Barnes is celebrated attorney with in the court in austin and he said it was unlike any carcass me never seen that there were three cameras that i've won a

42:43majority of the look came like a made for tv movie well they did they created a made for tv movies called the the truth versus aliex jones but the whole thing was paid none of these cases were decided on their merits they were all decided on or cd or or other issues uh... and i actually volunteered to be a witness an amicus witness in the medicate aliex jones in austin aliex jones and in the remington but both sides objected to my appearance a witness because they knew i had the goods and could expose the whole thing is a gigantic fraud well uh... so does that so does that mean you think that aliex jones was actually cooperating with the dialectic jesus initially for him is actually very good hey are you a speaker phone who me

43:43no no no is that they've got to write to raise students are because the school been closed for a long time you know it was loaded with his best it was just ridiculous yeah i'll exit some point was co-opted in the going along with this and asserting that it was real when it was manifestly thoughts i mean the whole thing for the actual not even the fb i see i mean when you get the fb i think zero murders in newtown in two thousand twelve you gotta know something's wrong but the judge in my case when he did that is happening well i know that there are so many weird things happening uh... around that story and and and the parade of weird just weirdos that the media put on uh... talking about the kids and all the stuff going on the absurdity of this gene rose and this is guys got a house by the firehouse which is about a quarter mile up the road with the one entrance and accept to the school by the way that significant because of its a public school they got buses going

44:45in and out they got to have to so you can go in to get the kids and come out there's a post of the six hundred and eighty nine students there that day but according to the official report is that track twenty you got this four hundred eighty nine in the four hundred sixty nine had to be evacuated but there was no evacuation because we're no students there we'll get this gene rose and claim that a bus driver dropped up about four five or six kids depending on his telling at his in front of his house they brought him into his house he gave him orbush used to drink and they played with stop animals and so one start talking about their teacher being dead right back this guy is not their parent he's not their guardian most bus driver is going to drop off kids at the home of someone who's not their parent guardian the whole thing was a ballarking from the beginning yeah that he's the one i was thinking of i'm impressed that you remember his name because i sure didn't but but yes uh... this guy was all over the media

45:49yeah yeah then robin parker comes out of jokler's miley laughing in the terms of the assembled reporters and he he hyperventilates to get into character right and this call start talking solemnly about the death of his daughter Emily parker and and has a president of mind a man turned donation website and by the way some of these websites went up before the event i mean just ridiculous it it and we parker is one of those who's reached out to me to say this whole thing is a scam i mean it's up this time this is ridiculous really that that's interesting i i did not know that so she she reached out to you and said that the whole thing was a scam well whether it's a good the sandy community has three parts there's a sand you have promise people who's advertising you see on television where they're solemnly talking about those in their sons or daughters there are the ones who are raking in the million bucks a month then there's a couple others who's mother signed them out

46:51so they never signed uh... not disclosure agreement and then there's the third the rest of the community that isn't much involved actively one way or another well the sand it promised to be a blurb very upset with my my friends because of course they're talking to me who is exposing the whole thing and they don't like that but yeah it's it's incidentally been through an intermediary a friend up there is a dear friend of mine in fact i'm in Connecticut here visiting with him now because he's been hospitalized for a major operation but i'm telling you this whole thing is gigantic scam i've explained it all many places there's a lot of online you can find i gave it a group called college complexes outside of Chicago sandy hook what we know now that we didn't know then christopher key have me do another twenty proofs of sandy hoax you can find that too christopher key it's just as decisive as it could possibly be about this

47:52matter and then in charlie kerb i've done two two but i i respect you but the one shot one one shooter one shot is a great pace because everyone is fascinated by it and everyone concludes property is real was was the party responsible because israel have the motive the means and the opportunity yeah and i don't there are many of the contributors to my book by the way we're arguing it was a real event a real death a real shooting but i it's a part of what has opened up a floodgain of criticism of israel that have been building since a genocide began three years ago because that you know the well of resentment and and the charlie kerb shooting just open it up and now the around war is some added it because here we are fighting to work for israel yeah gaza i think gaza started it and and the alleged october seventh of attack which i i refer to as a false flag because i just don't see that there's any way that they were ever surprised

48:53with the kind of surveillance that they have over there uh... to ever be caught off off sub guard by hamas and and and hamas of course you know started by israel i think still funded by israel to be frank with you i think there's a lot more synergistic uh activity going on back and forth and people realize uh... my opinion yes yes october seventh they've been already been warned by three different countries in fact it's a big scandal right now in israel because they have in the elections for pm again and and and and that the honest i mean under attack because a country is our acknowledging that they've warned israel this was in the words but of course they were planning it so they knew it was in the words just like nine eleven isn't yes yes yes would you believe in nineteen ninety six nitpollars and i did an interview with him about this uh... uh... if hello who has the thesis now loren uh... it about there haven't been two attacks

49:56that chaining rubs out orchestrated the the the the the attack on the panaggon because the attack in the york city or could have been by israel would only go down as a terrorist attack and they needed an attack on our military murder to justify invasion of all these countries and uh... loren scondier i think he's got it exactly right but nip discovered that way back in nineteen ninety six and that he has to try to make much about islamic terrorism says it could result in a nuclear bomb didn't set off under a building in the york he actually sent that well in nineteen ninety six yeah i think i don't know this has been in the planet this is a brainchild of youth and uh... umar and i've been that yeah blue to draw the united states into the middle east to take out the modern era countries that serve as encounter balance israel's domination of the entire region and eventually it can run the perjionation of a ramp so that many commentators believe the present war is

51:00completing the nine eleven at jenda for israel yeah uh... to any blare after nine eleven said this is a moment to seize the colitis scope has been shaken the pieces are in flux soon they will settle again before they do let us reorder this world around us and use modern science to provide prosperity for all i believe he was talking about technocratic uh... technocratic system that they wanted to believe in and jim and regionalism i love it your job and both i love it you i i found it ironic go ahead kacy the crazy idea of the being about a controversial guy and i mean to that category i'm right out there at the top so you know i really appreciate your happiness on today absolutely it's it this is is a great conversation you know and i i'm not saying i'm right about everything either i think part of part of uh... being a genuine truth seeker is to be open-minded enough to accept alternative

52:03theories alternative uh... points of view because you you can't learn if you close your mind everything uh... you're called popular your rational discussion and debate is our most reliable method for discovering the truth but you can't have a good deal you allow one side to be presented that's all too often what's happening on media today sad to say well media and social media these big platforms we saw during the whole covid mess even before then you know shutting down people censoring people uh... de platforming people and in some cases even demonetizing people to the point where their banks cancelled them that's the thing that i find most alarming yeah well and ghosting websites they let's put up your website but they ghost it yes i'm not on grata making people into a persona nine grata mm-hmm right yes yes yes well i'm so grateful to case you've been so open-minded and who came up with this project and i really like the way it's developing i

53:08think it's going to work out really well and a lot of people have shown keen interest in what is all about how it's it can't wait to see it yeah casey uh... talk a little bit more you you were talking about the uh... guest that you're going to be having on in the documentary uh... you want to elaborate on that a little bit more yeah they're just they're just uh... sort of guiding the documentary along a little bit uh... and anyway i was i gave the torture gym so that was my fault it's okay uh... but uh... if you people want to find out more about the documentary it's called truth in question and you can go to give send go dot com forward slash james bachelor to find out more information about the documentary have a little uh... fundraiser going there i'm going to be in post-production soon i'm gonna spend probably a couple weeks just working on this and getting it there were planning on a winter release people can uh... purchase the documentary through jim's website moonrock books dot com and

54:08just go to the shop tab in upper left corner it's the first product there and that's uh... we're not doing pre-orders yet but people can find it there i think it'll be on money tree publishing dot com i believe and i'm working on a digital release for it also so uh... i think it would be a really uh... great great documentary and we flew jam out to lost bagus in july i was filming interviews for liberty round table i was sand bushman in came with the jam out hit in he was a trooper walking through the car parking uh... car lots you know in a hundred and ten degrees helping me well uh... my uh... gear and uh... he's a real trooper didn't complain one time and is the pleasure to work with him and if you if you've ever met jim fetzer it's like you've known him your whole life and uh... god bless jim i love you man what what case is admitting is that i made a five years old well yeah well god bless you for for being uh... focused on these issues

55:09because it'd be really easy after a career like you've had to just go and enjoy your retirement and move on about your business but the fact that you're putting yourself in the line of fire uh... with all the criticism and everything and uh... you know legal attacks is is commendable you know to tell a truth i think what i've done since my retirement in philosophy where i two dozen books journals hundreds of articles uh... i've been doing conspiracy research where i can sort of be applied to a soft because it's really critical thinking and scientific reason in a wider conspiracy theories which because their theories are amenable to the same standards of evaluation scientific theories have been my most important contribution to the public good so i'm just in normally so we've ratified it's kept the incredibly busy yeah i'm at the banter experts that i bring together for each of these projects

56:09and you know it's a sign that the government is very worried about it that i should have had six of my books banned by amazon yeah i guess that's a badge of honor if nothing else uh... hey i think jim and k c for being with us or just about out of time now uh... jim you've got your james h-fetzer dot org website and and also i we we've got moon rock books dot com is there anything else that you wanted to promote that the picture i'd be too channeled jim chatso that has video versions of almost every show i do okay very good uh... so uh... we'll have to get that in the show notes as well and kacy uh... give it give out your websites please yeah people can get more information on the documentary by going to uh... give sendo dot com for slash james fetzer uh... again go to moonrock books dot com to find the documentary when it's out in uh... winter it's going to be about two hours long so i really appreciate your time thank you and then let's do it again god bless you

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