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Yeah, missed you. Great to see you, Tim. And I, you know, so much to cover. Like a lot of things have happened since you went away. I know everything from we dismantled our secondary. We signed the MVP from the Super Bowl.

We brought in a backup quarterback that is an interesting interesting guy. We've released Joanne Taylor. I mean, you all kinds of stuff going on. So here's my question. Can you retool and compete?

Because it feels like the chiefs are retooling, but yet they want to compete. The answer is yes to some degree, right? I think and the answer is yes because you have Patrick Mahomes.

Right. Patrick Mahomes is healthy. Then, you know, you don't, you just need to be close late and he'll get it done. You're, you're Andy Reed is right. So many of these games come down to the very end. And when you have Patrick Mahomes, you have the best chance of winning it.

And Steve Spagnolo certainly doesn't hurt either guy who can really dial something up at the end and maybe get your stop as well. But for the most part, I think you've got to be able to score late and halves in games.

And Patrick Mahomes gives you the best chance to do it. And I'm hoping that Kenneth Walker, which I don't like spending that much money on a running back. But I'm hoping that we're going to see some big plays.

And, you know, that they can just hand off and Patrick Mahomes doesn't have to do anything and all the sudden they went from they're coming out at the 12 and they're in there.

You know, the little part of the play sheet because we got to protect. We can't throw a pick here. We can't put the ball arms way. They get a field go right away. So we got to be safe. So in the safety zone of the play sheet. And they just handed to him. And he flips the fields. And now the first down at the other teams 41 after he just ran for 40 yards. Yeah, I said I'll make my homes life so much better if they don't have to burn nine plays.

To get there and they can just hand it off on a simple play. Execute not somebody over. He makes a cut runs through some arms. And then I'll send your 40 yards down the field and you haven't burnt five of your best plays. I think that can make the offense a lot better.

Absolutely. I agree with you. Hardly in that. Yeah. So, you know, Kenneth Walker this week. They needed a guy who can hit home runs. They just didn't have a home run here. They had a Pacheco hunt and both of those guys were single hitters. Maybe a double every once in a while.

But when you have a guy that can break one off and do the kind of things he could do with the football. First of all, if he just watch him. And I recommend if I know we all watched him in a Super Bowl of it. If you're really interested in what this guy is all about, go on YouTube and just put in his name and watch some of the stuff that he does. He's got great vision.

You're exactly right. Usually with guys who have this speed and vision, a lot of them can't run through tackles. He does a pretty good job of running through tackles. Now listen, if somebody's going to square up on him and put their face mask in his chest, they're going to knock him down. But if you throw an arm out at him, he's going to run right through it.

And that's part of the charm and part of the thing that he brings to the table with the chiefs that they just Pacheco was a hard runner.

But he was a hard runner almost in quicksand where he just, you know, he's getting five or six yards hard running running through people running physical.

Now you have kind of walker who can run physical and also break one off. And that's that it's going to help Patrick my homes so much in the offensive set.

So I mean, you look at what with the chiefs have done with their signings, Justin feels. Wait, wait, wait. Don't don't move off. Can't walk. I want to stay there. Okay.

Because Curtis just was showing some of that's exactly where I was going to go as well, Curtis. So yesterday down at the owner's meetings and it's Jesse who had it, right?

Jesse knew it was I think that that was this extra this morning. This is this morning. Okay.

They, you know, they make coaches available and everything and they have like this. You know, everyone can come and sit and ask questions.

And Andy Reed got asked. Just read Jesse's quote. He said that Andy Reed says that Kenneth Walker worked a lot two years ago out of the shotgun.

And last year, primarily under center says his stats were good in both. Reed says chiefs feel like they have a running back who can be effective in either setting.

Most chiefs fans are like, I guess they're never going to run the ball under center. Are they? Yeah.

She's opening up the door for a lot of shotgun RPO stuff for everyone. I think has heard the numbers. Sam McDowell has been pounding him even before.

Sam McDowell. Eric Eager would quote the numbers on the RPO run success. And they were already dipping. Right.

You know, long before Eric quit doing coming on with us and became the Panthers VP of analytics.

So this has been a trend for a while. It's been a problem for a while.

Listen, they have to get more under center. They have to run with more power. I mean, the they're not getting defenses out of light boxes.

And they were not effective running in a light box. Now if Andy Reed thinks Kenneth Walker's that much better.

Okay, but when did this this epiphany just happened? Like you could have drafted a running back in any of the last three years and you didn't do it.

And I'm not even talking about just, you know, Jeremiah love it eight or nine. You could have taken one at 32. You could have taken one in the second round.

Could have taken one in the third round. But you kept taking everything else because presumably for five years,

you didn't think it was really that big a difference between whoever you would get. And what I say, I could check it would get you.

And now all of a sudden, no, we got to get Kenneth Walker. And you spend a lot of money on a running back at a time that you're up against it on the cap.

And you've decided that this is the answer. My hope Tim is that he is just saying that to not tip his hand at all for the first couple of weeks of the season.

And then when the first couple of weeks of the season come, we are going to see Patrick Boholms under center a lot more.

Yeah, I hope you're right too. One of the things that we just talked about with Kenneth Walker is that his vision is so just an eight.

He's got a great vision for setting up blocks and seeing how they develop and then taking advantage of that seam and hitting that seam with with physicality.

And when you do the shotgun and you're basically standing next to the quarterback, it hampers the vision. I'm not saying that it takes away your vision, but it hampers your vision.

And the other thing it does hampers the vision of the running back the running back. Does it hamper the vision of the running back or is he a sitting duck for two and a half seconds or a second and a half

by the quarterbacks getting back to hand on the ball and he's not moving forward. He is just standing still while they're gaining momentum coming at him and getting into their rush lanes.

And then now you hand him the ball and they're already on top of them. The only way that I think that the shotgun doesn't hamper vision is out of the pistol and they don't chiefs do not do anything out of the pistol.

So what you're doing is you're having a guy standing next to you. First of all, there's a tendency. If a guy standing on the left, usually you're handing off across your body to the right.

So there's tendencies that the defensive coordinators pick up out of the shotgun run game. Number two is he's at five yards instead the the the quarterback is at five and so is the running back.

So that takes away a little bit of that opportunity to to see the blocking develop and to see the the seam kind of open up. It takes away a little bit of that because he's at five.

When you're under center, a lot of times the running backs at seven and sometimes at nine, whether they they're getting the ball going downhill and the blocks are being set up and the holes are being created while you're going downhill.

As a running back in the pistol, you are now taking the ball and you're basically side stepping and it causes hesitation.

And now you've got to see that all that stuff within five yards and a hesitation. It can you do it? Absolutely can do it.

But it's just not as effective as being underneath and running the ball. That's why the RPO is basically the formula because now in RPO, what are you trying to do?

You're trying to get the linebackers to what hesitate because they're saying if it's an RPO, you know, you know, we're going to read that guy, you know, so he's going to say, OK, I have to be able to get back to my drop or I have to go down and tackle the quarterback on an RPO.

So that's what causes a little bit of hesitation. And when you so that sometimes opens up a little bit of the running that's the idea that it's going to do.

Absolutely. When they all sit there in a light box and go, go ahead and run because you're guy ain't good. And if there's like, if he's going to run the offense the way he's run the offense.

And then he's just saying, Isaiah Pacheco was awful. And this kid's very good. And that's going to be the difference. Well, I hope it doesn't go from being very good to just good.

Well, the, you know, I mean, yeah, that you out of the shotgun, you dumbed down what Walker was. Listen, Kenneth Walker was not given $45 million based upon what he did for four years in Seattle.

I just was spent the weekend with a friend of mine who's covered the sea hawks for the last four years to tell. And I'm like, what do you think? He's like, listen, he's, he said he's a good guy.

He'll run hard. But he said, you know, there are times that they would take him out of the game because he's trying to bounce everything and get the big play. He goes, no, don't get me wrong. You will make big plays.

But there are times they're like, get him out and put sharpening in just run where the damn hole was blocked. You know, just take what it is.

He says, and he said some, he laid in the year, he kind of adopted this LaVion Bell style of being patient. He said something clicked and he would just hesitate and hesitate.

And then then he would see it and he would go and you go to the whole that was blocked. And that's what opened everything up. Right.

He said, he'll get some big plays if he just plays it the way he did. But he said, he really, what really made it all work was he really started going where the hole was blocked and being patient and taking his time to get there.

And they were under center. Yeah. That's when it was like, he was not going to get three for $45 million, halfway through this past year. So that means you gave him all this money because of what he did at the end.

So it seems to me that you should take him and do what it was he did at the end. That skyrocketed his value. Now you're absolutely right. And you know, when you have a runner like that that does like to bounce stuff.

Then that even fits in more that you got to be underneath because you're starting to bounce stuff when you're in the shotgun. Now you're really in trouble because you're running sideways at five yards.

So when you're underneath center, everybody creeps in. Right. When you're in the shotgun, they spread out because they know they've got time to rally back. Right. When you're under center, it might start right here. I've got to start here and then go to where I'm going. And you know, there's just.

I don't understand because Andy Reed came from an offense that was under center. Yeah. I mean, he started the West Coast offense was under center.

The West Coast offense ran the ball with power. The West Coast offense had a full back. And he's gotten so far from it.

Well, I mean, we talked about it many, many times here. The the oxygen, the fuel. The fuel for for the offensive space.

And you could create space being underneath with play action because I promise you, safety and corners are going to be aware that Kenneth Walker is in the backfield.

Okay. They're going to be aware of how much he's getting paid. The MVP of the Super Bowl. He's got home run, hitting ability. They're going to be paying attention to him, which when you're peeking in the backfield, that's when you create that space. That's when you create a little bit of big plays down the field.

So it just be hooves this offense to be a little bit more of underneath because with if you're good to that play action, just see Steve DeBurg. Steve DeBurg wasn't a great athlete.

Mike Patrick, my home is a great athlete, but Steve DeBurg had that unbelievable talent to be able to hide the football and and and have the safeties and the corners and the linebackers hesitate. And guys were right by him. You make big plays.

That's what this offense needs to get back to making big plays down the field. And that'll lead into the draft, whether you draft a wide receiver, whether you draft a corner or whether you go out and you get an offensive.

Why am I I don't know, but whatever you do, you got to be more athletic. This offense needs to create more space. It has not created space over the last three, four years and the numbers prove it.

Yeah, it's I'm hoping that he is just sandbagging a little bit and it's, you know, they're headed towards getting under center and running with more power.

I mean, you don't have to live under center, but you know what, you've got to be at a good percentage under center with a running back like Kenneth Walker. You just have to be.

And, you know, I hope that you listen, it's the old adage, right? You create your offense off the Jimmy's and Joe's who you have back there is who the offense should adjust to your players.

The players sitting adjust to the offense. And if if the Kansas City Chiefs don't adjust to the Jimmy's and Joe's and the players they have, that's a huge mistake for a big money player.

They have what's regarded as the best quarterback. They had the second most expensive offensive line off to look at where it's going to be the best center and at least one of the top five guards.

Yeah, they have a huge investment in the offensive line. And if they come out and play offense like they did last year and they are 20th.

Not only will it be the end of Andy Reed, he may take his general manager with him. Yeah, because they have built seemingly.

I mean, I just or or there may I can't imagine Brett Meach and Andy Reed getting sideways, but it appears that they built an offensive line that will knock you off the ball.

And Andy Reed won't let him come off the ball. And so they're not on the page.

You can't go on to like if you fire out into a guy, get into his pads and you start driving them off the ball three or four yards, you know, which is what you want.

A great run game and the running backs just following him behind and then he's into space and he breaks out of there.

But if the quarterback pulls the ball out, doesn't hand it to the running back and it's a pass. He's a legal man downfield. Right.

And so, you know, you can't go down field as an offensive lineman on a passing play, except for if the pass is what behind the line of scrimmage, right.

And then it's considered it's like basically a variation of a run. It's not a run. It's still a throw if it's if it's forward for the quarterback, but if it's behind the line of scrimmage.

I think the offense line, but that that's very nuanced. The bottom line is if it's an RPO, the offensive lineman doesn't know if you're going to run it or throw it.

So he cannot be downfield, which means you cannot get the best out of what greed, Humphrey and Tracement and Kingsley, Suimati, you do and dive deeper into that.

So most of the defensive lines you play against most of the defensive schemes are a four man defensive line. You play against some odd stuff with the three man line.

But most of it is a four man line with an over, which means that on the strong side, you have a three technique on the weak side. You have a one technique.

Three technique is on the outside shoulder of the guard or one technique is sometimes any inside shoulder of the guard or on the outside, kind of the backside of the center.

So what you're doing is basically the center, especially gathered Creed Humphrey, his strength, his superpowers are getting to the second level.

And when you climb into the second level on RPO, you have to hesitate. You have to stop. You can't really just go because you're not sure if it's a runner past.

Who else is that hurt? Well, it also hurts the backside tackle. Why? Because the backside tackles got to do what?

The backside tackles got to rip through his five technique and get up on the on the backside backer.

So you have two guys climbing up to get to the second level, usually the uncover guy, which is a center, and then the backside tackle is climbing up for the other line backer.

When you hesitate in our RPO, it's all fine and dandy if you guys are wide open, and you can get rid of the ball.

But if you hand that ball off, and just like you said, if guys are not coming off the ball, those linebackers are going to fly by you.

These guys run four, five, four days. So that's the one thing that bugs me about RPOs. I understand the concept of RPOs.

I like RPOs to a limit. But last year, the chiefs ran the ball out of RPO more than anybody, and they were the least effective at it.

They were like 28. They were the 28th most effective at, you know, as far as production per play, yet they did it more than anybody else.

So they basically either ignored the numbers, or they looked right at, we're not good at this. So let's make sure we do it more than anybody else does.

And by the way, your, which also speaks to the fact that 31 teams did it better than you, but they still saw it as not important enough to do it more than you.

They were doing it better. And they're like, but it's still not productive enough for us to waste our time doing it.

It's just think it's the most simple form to say what were it's, it's the most incriminating evidence that Andy Readness staff are not paying attention.

And you can't flip the identity of an offensive line. You're either physical upfront, or you are a finesse upfront.

And if you're going to be a finesse upfront, which, which achieves have done, and I would contend that they have been the last three or four years, with a very powerful looking offensive line, or you could be a smash mouth, groundhog, dig a mildly dirt, and drive them.

All right. So in the, we always say, well, why did you struggle in third down and short and forth down on the goal line and stuff? Because their identity is a finesse identity.

So you're helping out your offensive line by being more physical with having, you know, limiting the RPOs because you can't really live in both worlds.

There's a, there's an identity that is developed throughout the year. And you can't just flip that switch from one play to the other. That's your identity. That's kind of what you're, what, what you're being preached about is listen,

hey, listen, we need to make sure there were legal, but yeah, we're coming off the ball. And that's a hard thing to do.

It is, and I'm hoping that there is going to be a big influx of under center and more power runs. And this is just him, you know, putting the word on the street that you better prep, like you always prepped and hopefully will catch him.

And we know, and it's done. But at that time, but it's long overdue. Like that's the thing is like if they're not doing it, can we agree with the investment?

I mentioned all those numbers. This, this has to be a top five offense. If Patrick Holmes is healthy and plays all 17 games, this has to be a top five offense.

You know, at the end of the year, to me, the most concerning thing that I heard from Andy Reed was his comments about Matt Nagy calling, he said, well, you know, he was, he was, you know, coaching a top 10 offense.

Well, but you're not investing in your offense to be top 10. You're investing in it to be elite, like one, two, three top five at the worst because of some injuries.

Like that. I was like, we're now settling for top 10, like 10th, because when they when he said top 10, oh, he was, where were they?

No, they were 10th. That was their highlight. And then Patrick Holmes went down. They felt a 21st. So they were 10th almost one. They were much more 10th almost 20th.

Yeah. And so it got shown to you that without my homes, the offensive scheme was not doing anything. Patrick, my homes was doing all of the heavy lifting.

Because when he went away, the scheme had nothing. And we watched Andy Reed beat the Packers, you know, beat the Vikings with Matt Moore, almost beat the Packers.

Two teams that were, you know, coming off playoff seasons, the Packers, I think were a playoff team that year. And he did it with Matt Moore, because he could still scheme that they had.

And I don't want to hear. And I bring up Matt Moore, because Matt Moore was coaching high school football in that year started. If it's like, well, you know, he was a veteran quarterback.

And we didn't have that. Cause Pat now makes more money. Bunk.

I know he wasn't even on any teams radar. You inserted him in like 10 minutes time and moved the football. They couldn't do anything.

Once my homes were there, one pass play over the top. And that was it. They sabotaged 14 weeks of offensive statistics in three weeks.

Yeah, went from 10th to 21st in yards in three weeks. But that, I mean, that's damn near impossible. It is.

I mean, it is about 150 yards of offense on average the last three weeks. So, which is a travesty.

And absolute travesty. It's not, it's not a disaster until you don't change. And then it's a disaster. Then you've made it a disaster.

That's why so many alarm bells went off with that quote of like he seems to be different.

Like he was defending the offense and talking about them being top 10.

You know, at one point to the year, he's like, well, that's the beautiful thing of the offense. I mean, this is all in there.

Well, then run it. Yeah. Then, then let's see it. You know, I mean, he's started to become a little bit defensive.

You know, the, well, you know, they got us, you know, just hit your cap. They got us has been replaced by well, we're a top 10 offense.

Yeah. I like to tip your cap because it's admitting we got beat. And if you admit you got beat, you're saying, and I know how I got beat.

And it won't happen again. But when you start making excuses or start pointing to numbers and stats as to why it's okay.

Yeah. That is not good to hear.

Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. And listen, they've, they've got some guys. They've went in and invested in some people.

I don't hate the Justin Fields signing. I don't hate that. Now listen, we want to heavy dose of him. Absolutely not.

Will Patrick Mahomes be ready by week one? All indications are that he'll be ready. Now, whether he plays in week one or week two or week three,

or whether he's ready, he has a debated topic. If it was up to me, it's set out the first two weeks. If one, once he says to me, hey, listen, I'm ready to go.

And then I give him two weeks. It's like having your ace coming off of what would be John, but if he tells you that on July 25th.

Yeah, but yeah. And the doctor say he's good to go. But you better look with your eyes and make sure that this guy is a hundred percent.

It's like your ace coming off a Tommy John, you know, they they're throwing a little bit and spring training and all of a sudden he goes on the 60 day

and they're going to bring him back in May. So he misses what six or seven games, which is equivalent to maybe one game or two games in the NFL.

That's kind of the way you do it. You don't want to put these guys. You got to protect the player from their self.

And you know, listen, I'm hoping that Patrick Mahomes is ready to roll by week one, ready to go. But you better protect him from his self because Patrick is a competitive guy.

And he's going to try and get back as quick as possible. I've seen all this stuff on Twitter. I've seen all the videos of him doing stuff.

That's all fine and Danny. It's all great. But it's a little bit different when you're being chased down from it.

From an outside linebacker or a rush and from the backside and all of a sudden you got to plan off that and push off.

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All right. The La Feta delicate test and end of the hour answer. And Tim, it's been just long enough since you've been on that I forgot.

You were going to be on this hour and I did not do a football question. Usually I try to do a question that we can kind of expand upon.

So I did a final four question. So we'll see what happens here. I asked for any one of the schools. In fact, actually this would have been a great one to have with Frank. And you'll find out why in a second.

That's one of the answers. I asked for any one of the schools in the very first final four, which was in 19 and 39 in Evanston, Evan'sville, Indiana, Evanston, something like that.

Let's go. Let's go Villanova. That's correct. Let's go Kentucky. Nope. North Carolina. Nope. You don't have to get one.

That's a question. And I get one any one of the schools in the very first final four, Evan's to know one.

Oh, the very first Oregon. Evan's in Indiana, Oregon. What did Tim already get? He got Villanova. I gave him the hint. I said that I actually do a football question.

If it's you, but I forgot you were going to be in. So I do ask all question, which actually wouldn't been great for the Frank Minnesota. They were good in those early days.

In fact, Oregon, before they went in 2017, 39 was the only final four they'd been to. Oregon, Villanova. Let's see who else was good back then.

I can't wait. Ohio State. Ohio State. Since an addy, maybe a current team in the SEC.

Oh, a current SEC team. Arkansas. No, hasn't been in the SEC very long. Oh, so Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma. Oregon, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Villanova.

And the ducks beat the buckais in the first championship. When did Kentucky start 633?

Was it rough as a coach, right? Rup. Rup. Rup. Rup Arena. Yes. When did they start getting to see their first final four would have been somewhere in the late 40s. I'm sure early.

What's that movie? It's a 1948 was the first final four in the glory road. Yeah, that's a great movie. It really shows Kentucky to be great.

Well, no, it doesn't. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't have a good light on Kentucky or up. Yeah, or up. Yeah, absolutely. It shines a light on. Look at the photographs. You know, Syracuse.

Great tradition with African American players. Yeah, I was just going to say I was like, I hope you don't want to. No, no, no, no, no, no. First ever Blake Black Heisman trophy winner.

Yeah, the movie was that. That was a good one. The Express Express. Great movie. Yeah, you guys have the express. We have Rudy. Come on. We had.

Although we have we have the Gip with everybody's all not everybody's all American.

Tell you talking about that. No, we have Rudy and then we had the one with the Gip.

Yeah, we had the first Black Heisman trophy winner before that. We had Jim Brown finished fifth. Yeah. Now one of the guys he finished behind was Lendawson.

And who clearly could play. But it was also Johnny Majors. Wow. I think Johnny Majors like finish like fourth or something. That's crazy.

Is that I think Paul Horning wanted going like two and seven. Yeah, the only guy that I think to win a Heisman trophy without a winning record.

And you go back and look at the numbers. You're like, what? That was happening. That was the Catholic mafia. We got that one across. Well, that and I'm not. These are two different groups. That and the races.

That's two two groups that numbered big numbers. They fly your guy from Louisville with blue eyes. Got more votes. That happened. Yes.

If you were a younger person, you don't know as much about Jim Brown. Just just pull up his page on football reference.

Well, it's just look at all the black ink and yeah, there's also some black marks. I will. Jim Brown had some. Yeah.

Yeah, he did a lot of that. He did a lot positive things off the field. He also had some moments off the field. Did any Davis die of cancer?

Who was he? Yeah, he died before he ever played. Yeah. In the pros. Right. I was a cancer. I don't remember what it was. It had to be something. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a leukemia. Yeah. But a form of. But I hear people in the last few years of Derek Henry's been going crazy. Oh, man, we've never seen anything like him. I'm like, go look at the size of the offensive line when Jim Brown played at six two to 30.

Right. Yeah. He was as big as half his half of his lineman. And he out ran defensive backs to the end zone. Unbelievable.

Athlete. Unbelievable. Yeah. Have you and go check him out? I mean, a lot of people go to YouTube or something. Just put his name in and watch some of the stuff that he did.

And listen, you know, I was like, wow, a competition one there. But he listened. He played when he plays. Curtis is right. He does look like the big kid running like the dad playing with the kids out the front yard sometimes.

I also remember, I mean, there was there was clothes lining and cheap shots. And there was no protecting the running back or quarterback back in those days. Yeah. I mean, you just laid those guys out. And he's still average 100 yards.

Can you like play like six, seven years, nine years, nine years, nine years.

He let the league in every year except his rookie year, 58 to 16. And I'll try Tim here, because you probably know who's the only guy to beat him for a rushing title in the NFL.

He won the rushing title in the NFL every year except for one. It was his rookie year. I think it was his rookie year. I thought it was his name. He seemed to be right.

You're saying that because I should know a Chicago guy. I don't use Chicago guy. I'm not. Yeah. No, there's no reason you should definitely know.

Yeah, Jim, Jim Taylor, yeah, Jim Taylor, Jim Packer, Packer, he was the only one to beat him, right? Maybe that was maybe that was one here. He didn't know he did. I'm pull up as soon as pro football reference, make sure that I'm not a robot.

You got to find the right. You're right. It was 62. He didn't. He did win it his rookie year, 57 to 61 and then 63, 4 and 5. Yeah. Unbelievable athlete. Kind of on a roll with you.

A little bit. A little bit. I'm on fire. He played 24 days to the draft. Did you know that Carabana Connecticut has not won the most NCAA tournament games as a player?

Can I hang on to that one for a while? Well, you and Curtis are two peas in a pod. Wow. He made a mistake yesterday.

And it's usually the case. He let me up immediately. Yeah, it's friends. Good that way. Any? Well, usually he's so good down. He's going to lift you up. He won't kick you. I think he's so good. He almost never does make a mistake.

And so there's one I saw something. First of all, it was like I came in like a hurricane defending my point because I was like, well, I was on a baseball weekend with many a corona flying around the pool and the draft and all that.

So maybe I didn't hear this so good. Well, I was gone, but I was like, I know he goes, well, he's, yeah, he's now tied for the most wins by a player in, you know, a trim history. I go, I thought there were a couple ahead of him. I thought Latina was ahead of him. I thought Latina was normally. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Nope. I saw I saw a post of the weekend said he was that he and. You can't believe everything. You see on Twitter now. No, but. And it turns out that Caravan has 17 Bobby Hurley has 18 and Latina has 21, 21 and two.

By the way, that Yukon, that game was unbelievable. That was one of the best games I've seen. What was boozer thinking? Why would he try to throw the ball back? Just take it. They were going to follow him and he's threw it up.

He had a wide open teammate that could easily throw the ball. Yeah, you just got to get the pass. I think what's getting completely underrated in that is the fact that they blocked that pass.

I mean, number one, they sold out. They left two guys on the other end of the floor wide open and. And they.

And not only that, but the extra pass. But it's some guys just have that we, there was a kid. It's not going to matter, but I just remember his name. I just loved his name. Chuck Falcicchio.

Uh, who when we would go play at the gym in college, he was a, he was about a five, nine, five, 10 guard.

Everybody high used to shut down what's his name from Sarah. You know, I've told that story a million times. And I didn't shut him down. It's one time I made him laugh and stole the ball from him.

They're a Coleman. The number one pick in the draft. I know I did not shut him down, but I did play on the center court against him as senior year when he's going to be the one one.

Uh, I guarded one of your, I think he was one of your team. No, he was gone. Did you ever go to camp with Mike Owens? Yeah, Mike Owens is my ear. So that was Billy Owens older brother. Yeah, Billy Owens would be the number three overall pick.

He was out on the court that day too. Yeah. And, and his older brother, Mike Owens, who was a five, 11, 215 pound running back, who the chief took on the 10th. Yeah, she was taking the 10th round. Yeah, he went to camp with him for two years.

Nineteen. Yeah, he wore 44. Yep. He at Syracuse. Right. I think that was part of they gave him 44 to get him there to get Billy to come play basketball, who was six, eight, six, nine swing guy.

But anyway, um, this kid, my point was this kid, Chuck Fowl chick, you know, had this knack. Like he we would, you know, we'd be up there playing and he wasn't real tall, but he could time the jump. He was a super fast jumper.

And he had good ups for a five, nine, you know, Italian kid from New York. And he would amazingly jump up and block those passes all the time. All the time he did it. And I was, I was like, he's not big. I don't know, you know, he couldn't dunk, but he could jump pretty good.

But he would get up and block that. And I was like, when I saw that, I thought of Chuck Fowl chick, you know, like, like how he was just had this knack of like when they would go to pass, he would just stay grounded, stay grounded, and at just the right time he'd jump up and he'd block that crap all the time.

And it's not easy. Like I like it's I he's that kid stands out of me because I never saw anybody do it like that. Right. Not in college. Not ever where he could just always time now.

To be obviously a lot harder to do it against Illinois. Right. And so they're pat they pass by they do all better. But I that is a hard thing to do. How often do you see a pass blocked? That was like an NFL defensive lineman blocking a pass. Right. How often do you see that in college basketball?

Not many times. And NFL pass is kind of needs to be on a direct line because there are guys guarding. Right. He was just trying to get it over the guy. He could have loudly parked it. He could have still got an eight tossed it over.

And it would have got it there. It would have been fine. Yeah. It was a. How's your bracket, by the way?

Bracket. Well, I had Duke not winning it, but in the final four. So so I don't have that when I have Arizona and who's Arizona player? Michigan.

Michigan. Michigan. I have Arizona. Michigan. So I have that. I have Arizona winning it. But I had I think Duke against Florida. Florida. Yeah.

I had Illinois against Duke. And Michigan, Arizona with Arizona beating Duke in the championship game. And I and it I was like, I'm going to nail the final four.

I'm going to get every game right. This is so great. Oh, like the whole I like my head. I was so excited about I'm going to nail the final four.

Or at least I'm going to be alive to nail the final four. I still have a chance to get it all the way there because like, you know, you had Illinois too.

You and you and I were the only guys we knew that Illinois in the final four. And it was like, I'm going to nail it. And then now I took it. I took it on the chair in the first two days.

Just on the chair. Any like upset. It was not that many like big upsets. I got you. I think a USF winning. I had central Florida winning.

I was in my first day. I was in my last place in a group. And now I've worked my way up to 11th. I was smoked the first day was unbeaten of 15 to one second day. Wow. 13 to three the second round. But I lost.

I I fell apart this week. In the limo bracket. Aren't there like five of us that can still win me and somebody else have Arizona. We're still alive for it. And then do you ever think they'll be a perfect bracket? No. No. It's getting easier though.

It is getting easier because I think it got to one in the sweet six. It is so chalky now. And the upsets were Texas and Tennessee.

I appreciate the getting favorite. You know. I like it. It looked this up. I know on that first Friday. The betting favorites for 16 or no. So what do you win for a perfect bracket?

You get nothing. Now Warren Buffet was offering every year a million dollars to anybody. So he ends up giving everything. I don't think so. I think what why are you clicking on all that stuff at the end of my care?

Will you do this? We do that. I thought that that was like there's some kind of prizes. I know you and I just do it. I don't either.

But I knew I mean, I'm like, I was done after the second game.

Second game. You're it. That was it. You're out. I didn't have a perfect bracket anymore. No, okay. Yeah. No, I'm still in it. I installed the Arizona as my winner.

So you have a chance. I have a chance unless you're boxed out by somebody who has more points already. No, yeah, I know I'm not gonna win it.

I got I got like I got destroyed in the first two rounds.

Lebo gives upset bonuses. Oh, and so that adds a little flavor to it. But it's still I mean, if you add the if you double the points as you go

32 if you get the champion, right? It's like going 32 and 0 in the first round.

It's like going 16 and 0 in the second round. Like if you can get the champion, right? That usually will get you there.

Yeah, it'll be you and one or two other people that got the champion, right? You almost can't win those where you go

1 point for each win to 2 to 4 to 8 to 16 to 32. You almost can't win that contest if there's a lot of people without getting the champion right.

Right. Yeah, you got to have a champion right to win a win a group. But we'll ask Curtis what the ultimate test of college basketball now.

Curtis, what is the ultimate test of basketball knowledge? Um, he used to be the player pool. Yeah, that's what and who what's how we stand? How we look in there?

I am in I think fifth place. Okay. How about how about the rest of the show?

Well, Kyle wasn't there. He didn't participate. You're above me.

Well, so I'm I'm fourth or higher. Where do you find me? You're first.

Ah, there we go. All right. So let's talk real first with four players still left too. You debauchery down in Scottsdale. Who would you pick?

In your first pick? Well, we do an auction. Oh, okay. So who did you so the most notable moves?

Uh, your buddy Doug who you saw at the airport, because you were getting in the same time we were. Yeah. Uh, by the way, they made him check his bag.

He was in like group seven. Yeah. And he's like, he comes by me and right by me, I'm in like 12 and he's like 21. There's all these open.

Yeah. And he's like, he's like, I'm glad he made me check my bag. Yeah. You know, walking by. He was not happy that he was down there in baggage. I know it. Uh, he didn't look happy because I was like, all right. See, buddy. I'm out. Yeah. I know. You are gone. I said, I'm going to say.

Doug, where are you? Oh, I was a friend down in Phoenix Scottsdale. I said, where's Fred? I was going to say a loady. He's out of here.

No, he's gone. That's gone. Those those those that got our bags on were gone. We gone. Um, but anyway, uh, Doug, like, I thought he was going to go for Bobby with junior.

And I got Bobby with junior for 49 because I think he's going to have a big year. My buddy Chuck from Seattle. He was thing he's going to have a big year.

I thought Bobby go. I thought Doug could go like 50 something because he's had him for a lot of years. I'm like, okay,

but I'm going to take I'm going to make him go 50. He didn't get him. He was also messing with getting baseball tickets for his wife.

Like, apparently, you know, like something was wrong. So he's trying to mess around. And then he looks around. He's like, well, the last

star was there. It was there and judge. And he went like $65 on there.

I'm like, oh, geez, he never gets hurt. You should be fine with that, Doug. Yeah. Oh, Tony go pretty high. Oh, Tony was kept at a big number.

So he wasn't in the bidding this year, but where he would have gone for ridiculous. Seattle guy go with Cal Raleigh.

I don't think I know. I don't think he's going to have as many homeruns this year. The big dumper went for 41 or two.

Who's the guy Raleigh? He's got a bunch of homeruns already. Four or five, rather than the Braves. No, isn't our Austin Raleigh?

Who's the guy that plays Austin Raleigh's with the Cubs? I know Austin Raleigh's with the Braves. Austin is with the Cubs.

No, who's the other home? Some guy for the Seattle Mariners got like four or five homeruns already. It's not Cal Raleigh, I don't think.

Brendan Donovan has a couple.

Raleigh struck out in his first eight times. He's been in top. Good get, Chuck.

Somebody for Seattle has been kind of holding his own home on. It's early in the season. So I'm not my fantasy.

I have Bobby wet and that he's done okay. He's he's yeah, but he's like telling later. It's it's later that he gets things.

No, Raleigh. Luke Raleigh. Luke Raleigh. Luke Raleigh. How many's he got?

That's a gruddy. He has him three. Settle down. Three in the first like four games. Well, so does

so does the pirate second base. And he and half has four homeruns already in five games or something or six.

I have you in half. Yeah. Yeah. That's down the right. He's got to catch ten points last night.

Yeah. He's good. Yeah. That does very have paid over 20 bucks for him. So he ought to be doing something.

Who is it? Brandon Lowe has three homeruns already for the pirates. So

those are your home run Kings this year brother. His brother's not doing that great for the angels.

Are they brothers? Yeah. I think so. Okay. I think they said that yesterday unless

well, Mike Trout is. Unless Boog. Unless Boog is, you know, spouting out some more misinformation.

Apparently, Mike Trout has found the healing. Yeah. Fountains from the back. He's done well.

We'll see. I'll give it 10 minutes. The bear is stuck him out like three times just today. So

yeah. I'll take a break. Tim Grunhard's with us. He's back. Grunny's with us. He's brought you

my friends at the plumbing pro. Tim, we're just over three weeks away from the NFL draft.

Do you got any thoughts about where the chiefs will go? Well, I think,

I think this is going to tell a lot about what they think about Dave Merritt, whether he's

going to be around or not. Dave Merritt is an unbelievable developer of talent at the cornerback,

slash safety position. So if they think the Dave Merritt is going to leave and go somewhere

become a defensive coordinator or even maybe a head coach, maybe they draft the corner high.

But I don't see that happen. I think they're like, we were talking on the during a break.

I agree with you. I think they're going to go to the defense of linemen, they may be

Bayley's there that go with him. I'm not sure. Bane, I just don't know. We talked about it

a couple of weeks ago. I don't know what they're going to do. I don't know what they're going to do.

What would you do? I mean, the tape says really good. And the tape says really good. But I mean,

there is something to go in against very athletic, long offensive tackles.

So I mean, they're really going to. So the thing is, and what we're going to talk a bunch about

this, obviously, as it goes on. But do you believe the film or do you believe the combine slash

pro days? And I think a mistake that a lot of GM slash, you know, personal people make is a

they lose sight of the film for what they've seen in the combine or pro day. They better turn

the film out once again right before they make this draft and see if that's exact because you

can get you can get lost in the in the in the in the kind of the maze of of combines and pro days

and numbers. But you got to look at that film. So I don't know. I don't know if they think that he

is that much of a of a, you know, dominant player to pick him at nine or not. If they take him at nine,

I think you're going to get a quality football player. I think you're going to guy's going to make a

big splash. But is he a nine? I don't know. So I agree with you. But the one thing about and as you

study up on this draft, the nose tackle slash one technique. It's a deep, deep draft this year. So

there's a lot of guys are quality guys. And the Y receiver draft is has some depth to it too.

There's some blue chips in this draft. But once you get past like 14 or 15, there's a lot of

quality football players. There's not as many blue chip as there is depth in this draft. So

I think the chiefs are sitting pretty with these nine picks. And I wouldn't trade any of them.

I wouldn't mess with it. I would take, I would take all nine picks. The chiefs have to get younger.

They're going to get younger. It kind of goes back to what we were talking about. The the process

can you retool while you're competing. And I think that's the chiefs are going through right now.

It's going to be really interesting to see. I think I would ask that when we started the segment

or start of the hour, I would say that in some ways, the answer is you have to. It's not a

matter of can you. You have to. You have to have young players, particularly they have no choice.

They have gone way too heavy on the stars and Jags thing. Like they got to quit sign in everybody,

which I appreciate they finally did with trading Trent McDuffey. And they've got to get a little

bit more depth along the way. And so having all these draft picks, I'm with you. I would love to see

them. You know, if you don't have a guy that you love at nine, trade down. Yeah. So even if it

doesn't fit the chart perfectly, trade down and get more picks. The crazy thing is guys, you can't

keep starting the offseason over $50 million over the cap. And you get yourself in this trick bag

where you're asking guys to, you know, backload things. Eventually it's going to bite you in the

ass. All right. So I agree with you. Go young, get some young talent, ritual, but be competitive.

And I think she's going to do that. The teams that win are the young teams. Yeah. All teams

are not winning. That's when the cheese won. Yeah. That's right. In fact, they're their first one

of the back to backs. They were like, that was the rebuilding here. We're the young one of the

youngest teams in the league. And they got it done. I worked out. Tim. It's going to be great to

have you back. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you next week. Hi guys. There he goes. Tim Grenard,

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