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Okay. Let's get things going with some of the conversation coming from around the NCAA tournament.

We'll first give you Dan Hurley at the Mike the head coach the Connecticut Huskies after an incredible come from behind win said it fit the story of their year.

The story was just that that game was a reflection on the season it's been a season where we've been dealt with injuries to keep players at critical points of the year that we've had to overcome.

And we've had to show a lot of fortitude and resilience and just kind of claw away through the season and just the game was a microcosm of that just we fought we clawed put ourselves in position to take advantage of a mistake that they made.

And you know one of those brilliant shooters that you'll ever see shoot a basketball you know made an incredible legendary March shot.

It did look like I mean it's he didn't know from that distance but when it went out of his hand didn't you think that's going down yes it just looks so clean I thought they're in trouble.

It did that it was a still a jump shot he did lean forward a little bit more to give it a little more push and give it give a little bit more distance on it wasn't my recollection I sat watching a bunch of times my recollections he didn't just elevate straight up he kind of leaned into it to make sure that the ball was you know going to travel.

Yeah but it I was like oh because I mean I was rooting for Duke so when I wanted to get all four final fours right and I don't like Connecticut I'm no big Duke fan but I really don't like Connecticut so I was like oh that's good that's right in your face right in your face.

I mean swish from whatever that was 30 yeah I mean at least 30 but it ended up being a great college basketball yeah and it's two heavyweight programs two blue bloods and and a reversal of fortune from these two schools who 36 years ago or 20 yeah 36 1990 elite eight they're at the the meadowlands Yukon is up now this is two games after Yukon hit the crazy shot to beat Clemson.

I think take take George caught the pass from Scott Borrell hit the turnaround then they're up one at the end against Duke and no one guards the inbounder who was Christian Latener who was just a sophomore at that time and he had to shot to knock out the huskies keep them from going to their first final forever and it took 36 years but Yukon got him back.

Well and now I think care man has got 17 17 he ties late and early as he ties somebody told me later as 19 hmm now it might but the thing I saw last week was after they won that he hit his 16 was was one shy of late and early you had 17.

So if they win it all yes they'll set a new record or if they they just win the first one he'll tie it you know I think that that yesterday was number 17.

That's what I read.

Also in the last 70 so now he is tied.

Yeah last week I saw something last week that said with their win to get them to the elite eight that he had that was that was number 16 he needed one more to tie.

Okay a lot of people would have called the time out there right when Kineke gets the ball back all it's going to time out let's set a play.

Dan Hurley did not he explained why because Duke is so good defensively.

That it just felt like you're almost you're watching Alex and and seeing you know kind of like.

As Braille and catching the ball does he look like he's in some type of a rhythm you know does he look like he's going to kind of rip drive it.

I mean you're torn right there and you're almost like and you're just it's instincts it's it's it's gut instinct.

But I think with their size their length their ability to switch everything you know it just it felt like the window where you just got to let March madness take over.

All right I don't know that we need to hold that.

I wouldn't mind it because now it's just good instinct.

Because I guarantee you there's going to be a time where he's like well you have to call the time out or you don't call time out or right there like he basically just told you it's it's it's you know just instinct you just got to react right.

Like I don't want to hear him barking at somebody about a question that's like so is that just instinct no we put time into this.

You know we prepare we've run plays you know how many times we've run like I want to make like he's all the records just instinct right there.

Okay all right let's see if it ends up being the same the other side John Shire.

All right let's do blue doubles lose he struggled to summarize what happened it's a cannot be more disappointed and and feeling for our guys.

At the same time of you know just trying to process what happened I don't have the words.

I don't have the words I'm incredibly sorry for these guys that they got to go through this.

This is this is on us we're going to be in this in this together and the year that this guys had has been absolutely incredible.

Absolutely incredible and I don't have words other than just how proud I am of these guys and how disappointed we are.

All right how about the the time out strategy for him he was asked if he thought about calling a time out or maybe just holding the ball.

Well yeah you just we just have to secure it right I mean we got it they had a foul I was ready for a time out.

And we just got a hold on and you know it's easy to look at that play you know I look at every play that happened especially in that second half.

This is not about one play it's about every play to put it in that position and that's what you don't want to do more one place something can happen and so for me.

Look it's it's going to be tough but it's not going to be on one play.

I assume he's talking about yet you know ready to take the time out like if we get in the corner if we're trying you know in trouble.

Then I'm going to take the time out does not sound at all like yet any thought of taking a time out to try to design something to get.

You know no past half court.

He also didn't mention that there were 10 seconds they clearly are trying to get across half court which you want guys across

half court because you want to stretch the defense and if he just throws a little bit higher.

Yes it's brilliant yeah well he's hailed as the hero because he can get a double team at half court and he managed to get the pass over the two guys.

To an open player and they they're going to the final four.

All right is one of the classic endings of all time I thought would give you a little taste of the calls the different calls that came your way.

First of all is the CBS television call Ion Eagle and Bill Rafferty.

Get it into blue.

I saw a head.

Poozer that ball deflected and stolen by Mullins.

Caravan two seconds Mullins tosses it up.

It's good.

We're poor three.

You can't go as a truck.

Other than impossible.

Gives it some time to breathe by the way nice job there by Raff given it some time to breathe and then utterly impossible though

I think based on the little announcer came he needed some time to breathe.

That was amazing.

The shot the camera view is out there of Jalen Suggs half court.

That's the other one.

That's the other one that came a lead later.

Yeah was Jalen Suggs and Gonzaga and it was fantastic.

That one and then Villanova over North Carolina National Championship game.

Anyway I interrupt you.

So the camera had the view of one out of Rafferty and it looked like he was about to he couldn't speak for a second.

So I think he needed time to breathe as well as letting the call breathe and Ion Eagle so good.

I mean he was terrific in that moment.

He may have been a big gym dance fan.

I was too.

He's terrific in that spot.

He had the opportunity and he nailed it.

I would like to know if Kevin Harlan's calling it.

Oh yeah.

I think there's no call I wouldn't rather hear Kevin Harlan's version of it.

All right.

How about Westwood one?

Here's Scott Graham's call.

Sorry.

It gets it in to Cam Bouser.

Bouser back to Sart.

Now ahead to Bouser and you can't got a steal.

Caravan.

For Mullins.

Long three.

He got it.

He got it.

He hit it.

He hit the long three pointer from the logo.

With three tenths of a second left to go.

I don't believe it.

That's a guy you usually hear as a studio host on Westwood one.

They're NFL.

Scott Graham is also a fine play by play man.

All right.

That's how it sounded by the way on 810 WHB yesterday.

Yes.

All right.

Let's hear you con.

This is the winning call Mike Crispino on the Huskies radio network.

Who said they double them back to Sart.

Now ahead to Cam Bouser and a steal.

Mullins gets it.

It's Caravan.

To Mullins.

Long range three.

Oh.

We're winning.

Mullins delivers.

Bedlam.

I was lost to this voice.

Oh.

Good stuff, man.

Yeah.

And then there's the sad.

And then there's the other sadness.

And here is David Schumate on the Blue Devils radio.

And then there's the sad.

And then there's the other sadness.

And here is David Schumate on the Blue Devils radio network.

Get it in.

They do for Bouser.

Followed it back for Sart.

He's to get rid of it to us for Caden.

Seven seconds.

Try to throw it ahead, deflected stolen by Connecticut.

Two seconds.

It's Mullins up top for the win.

Oh, he hit it.

With three tenths of a second to go.

Oh, he hit it.

All right.

So now you've got on here to Yukon combo call.

Yes.

What is this?

I took the two calls of Yukon Yukon.

They're the same ones where they're at the same time.

Just to kind of hear.

And the first part of it's kind of just crosstalk.

But you know right away when the moment happens.

All right.

So here they are.

Being played consecutively.

So you can hear the difference in tone and temperament.

They're playing it at the same time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Going, going.

They're playing consecutively.

They're not consecutive.

Excuse me at the same time.

Yeah.

And so you'll hear when one goes up and one comes down.

Oh, he hit it back for Sart.

That's his throw.

Yeah.

Seven seconds to three.

Two seconds.

Two seconds.

Two seconds.

One, two, three.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, he hit it.

Two seconds.

Now when's the winners, bedroom.

Oh, I just love the.

I did this once before.

I can't remember what the call was, but.

It's just to hear.

If he was real time.

If you were sitting between those two guys,

that's what you would have heard in your left and right ear.

Pretty cool. I mean, I mean, it's said it earlier that this has been an amazing tournament

on almost any way you could imagine with some crazy upsets, you know, the Cinderella

may be dead, but the games have been incredibly compelling and it looks like we're going

to have an all-time game on Saturday night, maybe a couple. The idea that we've seen

what we've seen and we maybe haven't seen the best moment yet is one of the things

that draws you to sports. I think back to the 21 Division of playoffs, that was Cincinnati

knocked off Tennessee in overtime after getting a pick. They got a last second field goal.

That night Packers and 49ers were playing in Green Bay and the Niners got a block punt

to set up a game-winning field goal on the last play of the game. The next day, the Rams

blow a 14-point lead. The Bucks come back and tie it. The Rams hit a long pass to win

that game on a field goal at the gun and then the Chiefs and Bills played the 13-second

game. So you'd seen all those three games and the NFL is like, you ain't seen nothing

yet. My hope isn't that's what the Final Four gives. Sometimes they don't, but it's

sure set up to be an amazing weekend with some really compelling storylines.

What an endpoint spreads make you think that, you know, we at least are not looking at

eight and a half and 10 and a half. We've got, you know, it looks like it's going to

be pretty tight. And in one in one case, it's the lower seeded team. It's favorite.

All right. Here, let's give you a little bit of Matt Miller. He's got a new seven-round

mock draft. We're not going to take you through all seven rounds, but the very latest.

At number nine, he has Ruben Bain going to the Chiefs. By the way, what's of note is

he's got David Bailey eight to the Saints, who kind of settled in a little bit higher

up there. He's got the lowest I've seen David Bailey in a while. Yeah, Mansour Moore or

Mansour Delane, the corner from LSU. He's got going seven to the commanders, Karnel Tate,

even with the slow 40 time, the White receiver from Ohio State. He's got going six to the

Browns, Caleb Downs, Saint Leo, Ohio State going five to the Giants. He's got Jeremiah

Love, four to the Titans, which is something we heard a little bit earlier from Nashville

on the drill, Chase McCabe saying that's what was the dream right now of Titan fans. Francis

Maui Goa, offensive attacker from Miami, three to Arizona, Arville Reese Edge from Ohio State.

If you believe he's an edge, going two to the Jets, and of course, Mendoza number one.

So that's how Ruben Bain ended up being there for the Chiefs at nine.

And the one guy I didn't have right here, it was offensive lineman that was kind of shooting

up the list. He started to fall again on this one to get from, was it Georgia, Georgia?

Yeah, Pispitzer Fano is next at 13. Monroe Freeling, he is at 17. Yeah. So not making

it to the Chiefs next pick. By the way, you would go down, you do the first few rounds

for the Chiefs at 29 of the Chiefs take Avion Terrell, cornerback Clemson. First of

him, I've seen his name in a mock draft. At 40, Jeremy Bernard, wide receiver, Alabama.

By the way, decent size, 6124, I think I saw. Do you like the spelling? Yeah, it looks

like Jeremy. Yeah, or Gurmy. Yeah, it does. So all right. That's what he's got for

the Chiefs in those first few picks. We'll take a break. We'll talk more about the Chiefs

with Seth Kaiser next. Welcome back. You're in the program here on Sports Radio 810 WHB Serend

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here to the program. Seth, my friend, how are you? I'm doing very, very well. How about

yourself? I'm doing great and I appreciate the time. We certainly encourage everybody

to check out the Chiefs in the North newsletter. Great read, great chiefs information. I want

to get your thoughts just overall on what you think they have done free agent wise. Do

you think they've done a good enough job at least right now to where they enter the draft

not having to take anyone? That's usually their goal is we want to fill all the positions

so we can line up and play and then we can take the best player available. I'm giving

the air quotes as I say that by the way. Do you think they've stocked the roster up enough

or there still needs to be addressed? There's definitely still needs that have to be addressed

but they have done a good job creating a situation where there's no longer... Well, I would

say there's one position where there's still dire need and they definitely need to make

some moves and that's the fence of end. You know, the idea being that you want to go into

the draft to where if you had a game tomorrow, you could line up and play and while it might

not be ideal, you wouldn't be dragged to the ground by any individual position. And the

reason for that is regardless of when you take a player counting on them to fix a hole

in the roster is... It's risky. Even, you know, with that ninth pick they've gotten obviously

with the guy that you're picking ninth in theory he ought to be able to with the top 10 pick.

That's probably a guy you're saying he should start day one. But you shouldn't count on

him to be a star and you do want redundancy on your roster. You don't ever want to have

to say, okay, this one guy if he works out or set, you want to have some redundancy there.

I do like what they've done with free agency. They addressed some of their biggest needs,

especially with the way the secondary has kind of been gutted to an extent. And then what

I like about what they've done is they've a few different things. One, they grabbed competent

players from kind of outside their tree in a lot of situations. You know, the slot corner

they grabbed from Miami, like, is a really interesting example because he's a guy who are

to the 2025 season and gets hurt in training camp. He's considered a good slot corner, but,

you know, you get hurt in training camp and then you're out all season. And so you grab

a guy who can play slot corner, but he's not... You're not just bringing back someone, right?

Signing Gilman at safety, obviously signing Walker, signing Tonga, like they're bringing in guys

from outside where they've gone rather than just trying to bring the same guys back over

like what we've seen with Derek Nadio over the years. And they addressed some situation,

some positions that they really didn't have anything, right? And running back, they had maybe

the worst running back room in the NFL last year. At nose tackle, they've really struggled lately.

Like, I really like Mike Penel, but late career Mike Penel shouldn't be by far your best nose tackle.

But then they obviously didn't have anyone on their roster. So grabbing someone there,

grabbing Gilman makes a ton of sense because you're losing by and cook. You know,

a dressing spot corner makes a ton of sense. You're losing Trent McDuffy and you can't keep playing

Jamari Conner there. And so they did all that. They grabbed a competent veteran and they also didn't

break the bank in a way that took away their flexibility in future seasons. The Trent McDuffy

trade gave them an amount of flexibility moving forward and it was tough to see McDuffy go,

great player, hugely in part responsible for the the dynasty era, right, with 2022 and 2023.

But it kind of opened up a lot of doors that they could travel down going one way or the other

for the next two or three years with the roster. And with the signings they made, you know, Kenneth

Walker, the closest they came to breaking the bank for running back, but he was still well below

the top two contracts in the league. Still, you know, 14 and a half million a year,

that it doesn't remove your flexibility. Gilman was a really reasonable contract.

Tonga was a really reasonable contract. They were able to maintain their flexibility while bringing

in guys who have shown themselves the competent players at the pro level and they needed that.

They needed to fill out the roster and they still need blue chip talent. But last time you and I

talked, we said they were in a weird position that they need blue chip talent, but they also need

solid talent throughout the roster to kind of fill in holes and have them not having

weaknesses at some of these spots. And I thought they did a good job with that second part

in terms of, you know, a guy like Tonga, a guy like Gilman, and then Walker, like like a higher end

talent. But by doing that, you kind of fill in some of these gaps. So I'm really happy with what

they did because they managed to be active, get solid players, and get them at like kind of middle

class contracts that you don't often see in the NFL. Yeah, we're talking with Seth Kaiser here in

the program. What do you think? Like I hear mixed reviews at a Seattle about what the chiefs

guy with Kenneth Walker, they clearly bought high on him because he was he was part of a tandem,

right? And tell Bill asked a couple of weeks of the regular season and then he had a great post

season that shot his value up. Now if he's that guy and what people in Seattle, I was just hanging

out with a buddy of mine who who covers the Seahawks this past weekend. And he's like, he seems to have

kind of figured out this LaVion Bell running style where he's more patient and he waits to the

hole is there and then he takes off. He said in that he went to a new level. He goes, but we

saw that really for just the one year where what should the concern level be that the chiefs invested

what they did. One of the higher paid running backs in the league for a guy that according to the

team, he just came from and won a championship and won an MVP in the Super Bowl for is like, wow,

I'm not sure. You know, it's an interesting thing. Walker is an interesting case for me because

he's a guy who when he kind of came onto the scene as a young player and a lot of people were

talking about him, I actually reviewed a few of his games. Now this was years ago, right? They

went as a rookie or even like a second year player. And I remember walking away having kind of,

you use a very boomer bust runner, right? You either you break something open or nothing,

you know, nothing really happens, kind of runs into someone's back the way we've kind of seen

with all the respect to a multiple Super Bowl winner. I think the check would do over the last few

years. And that's something that I really noticed was consistent with Walker's film, but because

he's so explosive, he was able to also generate big plays. So it was a very boomer bust. That was very

different when I reviewed this last year's film. And that was one of the things that stood out to

me when I wrote his film review. I ended up reviewing I mean the entire postseason then I was like,

I don't know, like 150, 200 of his other snaps throughout the course of the season, maybe a few more.

And what I found was his running style has become more patient. He has gotten better at setting

up blockers. A really good example of this, actually, one of his explosive Super Bowl runs

that involves a player of the Chiefs just signed in free agency. Yeah, I wrote about Tonga,

who seems like a really good run defending no tackle and substantial upgrade over what they've had.

And he can win in multiple ways. Well, there's a snap there in the Super Bowl where Tonga wins

is one-on-one matchup, is able to generate some pressures the wrong word, but it does put

pressure into the backfield in terms of kind of blowing up where running lanes can go. And he's

almost kind of too gaping to an extent, forcing Walker to try to do something to avoid getting

tackled for a loss. And so what Walker does, he takes, as he's giving the handoff, he's

already in the process. He knows he wants to cut back, but what he does, he drives towards Tonga's

right side, forcing Tonga to flash, his helmet to that side, and shift his momentum to try to

win to that side. And as soon as he sees that he plants his left foot and crosses back over

to the gap that Tonga just vacated and because another defender had just gotten blown out of the

hole, this is why Run Defense is a team sport, he had tons of space to work his way back.

Snaps like that were a lot more common last year for Walker than they were previously in

the film. And you see a guy who's developed, who he still bounces it outside more quickly

than is sometimes advisable and because he's so explosive, he gets away with it,

but he sets up blockers significantly better than what we saw last year in Kansas City from

Pateco. And then the thing is Kareem Hunt knows how to set up blockers, but he's just got no

explosion to do it. You and I talked about that, right? You know, last year had you combined the two

of them, maybe you would have had something, but I think you are getting the best version of Walker,

he's a different player on film than he was as a rookie. And my assumption is that should continue,

there is a question in terms of fit. So you have a ran a ton of under center stuff,

a ton of ton of ton of it. It'll be interesting to see what he looks like out of shotgun. He

looked comfortable in the limited snaps that I saw. Then he's got great first step, third step

and top end speed. So it in theory works well for him, but that is going to be an interesting

fit that's something of a projection in terms of what the chief likes to do. Doesn't it mean that

there has to be, isn't that the signal that there's a serious change coming into how they play

offensive football? Because if you just took a guy and made him one of the highest paid

his position, and you're going to ask him to do something totally different than what he's had

success at before, you're making an awfully big risk. Absolutely. I think the signal that we would

be getting to me is hiring earthy enemy who, you know, was doing what he did with Ben Johnson,

and when he was in Kansas City, there was always talk that he was the guy that was more, no,

we need to run the ball more. We need to run the ball more. Great. That's one little bit of

signal, hopefully. Ben choosing Walker over Travis ETN from what it seems like at least, they

actually kind of signed ETN for that note. That to me would be another signal because he would be

like a little bit in theory more of a fit because that's more of what he's done in terms of some

of those handouts out of shotgun and mechanism. So the signal is that they're going to be going that

direction, certainly, to at least give the run game more attention than what they've given it

previously. And I would just mean in terms of quantity, and I don't think you do either. You mean

in terms of like approach, like, okay, let's dial up some more under center, and let's not just have

it be the, oh yeah, we'll run from under center three times on the opening script, and then we

don't do it again the rest of the game. Right. Let's have it be a genuine pitch in our pitch count.

And again, it's handy read. It's about your homes. It's always going to be past first,

but you could shift from 30% to 35% to 38% and still make a massive difference in approach

provided it's given more time and practice. It's not just about how often you're on the ball.

It's how often you practice running the ball. How are you approaching on the ball? Are you really

shifting a little bit away from our field? Are you really shifting? It doesn't have to be this

massive, complete shift. They're never going to run the Seahawks scheme or a kubiak-based scheme.

But are you willing to shift 10, 15%, because really, I think all you need to do to really have

a domino effect elsewhere. We're talking to Seth Kaiser here in the program. I want to go back to

something you talked about on the edge. Where do you sit on Aston, Jolotti now? Like the fact that

they haven't done more at the edge is either one. It just speaks to that there is just if you're

got any ability at the edge, you do not get to free agency. Or it speaks to the fact that they're

real comfortable with Aston, Jolotti. And I think you need a rotation and they definitely don't

have the depth and you cannot be, even if you think he's going to be hot, even if you're going

to be healthy, excuse me. And even if you still believe in your initial analysis that Felix

on your DK Osama can play, you cannot count on him. So it leads me to think that they're pretty

confident at Aston, Jolotti. Should they be? I mean, I really like to call the film and the fact

that he was able to be on the field more so for rundown, but also first and passing up and not

be this glaring weak spot, his rookie year. Okay, you know, they were able to give him snaps and he

wasn't, you know, he wasn't part of the problem. But the issue here, she wasn't really part of the

solution either. He did get a little more snaps, you know, as the season went along. And you and

me both know the Chiefs were one of the third worst, third down defenses in the league last year.

And a huge part of that was their inability to generate pressure with four. Now that doesn't

necessarily mean that Aston, Jolotti, you know, not to have been bad because it takes more than one

player. But when you look on film, he is still working his way through how to win at the pro level.

He's got good power, doesn't have good length. And so his style of winning, especially when you do

rely a little more on the bull rushes and the long arms, which, you know, because I assume we might

talk about Rubin Bay in junior at some point, that's the differentiation in play style and how you win.

It's something that where length does come into play. He doesn't have a wide frame. And so

he at times in college would get swallowed up by bigger tackles, but his cape was so good most

of the time that it was definitely likely to work the risk to high level athlete with good power.

And to me, counting on that to be like a big step forward though would be a mistake.

You can hope and you can say, okay, we've got a guy who can be part of the rotation who won't

embarrass us if he's on the field. That's great. You need those guys. You need them to keep everyone fresh.

But to me, I think their lack of activity in the edge market is much more indicative of the fact

that guys that are, you know, kind of on George Harlottis' level are getting paid

and million dollars more a year than he is when they hit free agency. Or maybe they're a little better.

I think that's just, that's a tough market to enter if you're the chiefs. And so I think it's more

reflective of that than them thinking that they're set at edge. At least I certainly hope so.

Yeah, let's do talk about the draft. What do you think of where we look at right now as far as,

you know, just the the overall depth of of edge rushers and what they could end up with?

And you know, edge rushers are such an interesting position in the draft because

you've basically got I think three guys that everyone thinks could maybe, you know, be top 10 type guys.

One of them is Bailey who is almost certainly not going to fall to nine, who's considered probably

the best edge rusher in terms of pure past rusher in the draft. But he doesn't necessarily fit some

of the the spags and traits in terms of how he wins. Although I don't read too much into that in

some ways to be perfectly honest because I do think that he's got enough length to where they,

they can, you know, you can throw on five, ten pounds and get where you need to be if you're him.

But odds are he's not going to fall to nine. Then you've got Rubin Bay and Junior who's got

exceptional tape. He's got exceptional tape against top level prospects, including to go back to

Joladi, kind of a bigger body tackles. They didn't get in the same problems that at times they

gave Joladi because Bane is just unbelievably powerful. And he also has pretty remarkable bend

for a power based player. And so he's able to threaten the edge a little more legitimately because

it's got a pretty good first step as well. And so, but you've got those really short arms.

So how many teams that are in the top eight take them off their board. And that's always

impossible to know. Again, his tape is exceptional. So you've got them and then you've got Falk,

who is, you know, he's like one of those guys that looks like he was built in a lab to pay

defense and play defensive end. But he's probably more of a George Harlotto type guy where you've got

a ceiling there. Even if the floor might be something you're pretty comfortable with. And so,

when one of those guys will fall to nine, for me right now, Rubin Bay and Junior would be my easy

pick simply because I think the way that he wins fits so well with what's bags like despite

the arm length thing. But it really is it's there's no like one guy that you know other I love Bane's

tape, but the arm length thing does at least present a question because he's such an outlier.

There's really never been an edge built quite like him. How about Zion Young from Missouri? Have you

had a chance to do much of them? I haven't had a chance to take much to get much of a look at him.

He's on the list, basically for the next, well, a little less than a month now, the entirety of

content at the Chief of North Newsletter unless they sign a free agent unexpectedly. I can't, Jordan,

excuse me, sorry, I got a little bit of a coffee. Other than that, it's just going to be entirely

know your draft crush looks. I'm working at McIleman right now and then I'm going to do a couple more

receivers and I'm going to hit the edge of his heart again. And Young is one of them that I really

want to look at because people that I trust really like him. Yeah, I hear people talking about him

at like 29 for the Chiefs, but I think reality is more he's going to go closer to nine than he is 29.

And so, you know, my dream scenario might be if they do like him, if they do think he fits would be

trading back to 14, 15, 16 somewhere in there getting more picks and then getting him,

but I think it may come down to the end. You end up having to take him that high because I do

think he's going to be one of those names that we continue to see, see climb up the board. I think

he came from off the radar in a great senior bowl. And the more that they go back and kind of look

at the tape and do all that, I think he's going to be one of the risers that starts to come up.

And we start here in his name a lot more. And it does feel like, you know, to go all the way back

to the point about Ash and Jalani that they are maybe leaving the edge piece to that pick or to

an early pick to to round out their debt that that spot. I also think defensive tackle. I mean,

we're talking about 29. You know, I think that could be a good spot to get a good quality

rotational defensive tackle. Maybe they trade down from there into the into the upper 30s. They

did that before and worked out real well drafting a guy named Chris Jones. So I wouldn't be shocked.

Would you be shocked if they went D line D line with their first couple of picks?

I would be surprised a little bit because they went D line D line last year, but I wouldn't be shocked

because they really do have a pretty significant need there because and this is something you

not talked about before is that you can't let sunk cost dictate your future decisions. That's true

in life. It's true in business and it's true in the NFL draft. They don't know what they have in

O and O. I think, you know, they he showed a little bit of juice. Hopefully them signing a legitimate

good nose tackle and this ridiculous, you know, put on 30 pounds experiment or whatever was. I

don't think it was actually 30, but you know, the longer we talk about it, it's like a fish story,

right? You know, I mean, I want them to put on 150 pounds and, you know, but they don't know what

they have in him. They don't know what they have in action in July. And you can never have too many

defensive linemen. There's no team out there in the lead that's like, man, we have too many above

average defensive linemen. And this is terrible. What are we going to do? There's no team that's

like that in the lead. It's like wide receivers because you have the ability to put so many on the

field at once and rotate them in and out. If a team was like, oh, man, I don't know what to do. We've

got five very good receivers. I mean, maybe they eventually trade one away, but maybe they just

run a lot of five wide and no team has a good third quarterback, let alone a good fifth one,

and the same with defensive linemen, where if you got seven guys that you legitimately like

rushing the passer, we saw what that did for Seattle, that you can just have every single snap,

someone who's playing with their hair on fire, and that's on the first play of the drive,

and the 10th play of the drive. And if that 10th play of the driver makes a huge difference.

There's never a bad thing there. And that's what those guys hit. If they don't hit, you're looking

at a gate being full on the roster, if you don't upgrade that talent. So it wouldn't shock me if

they went that route. The only reason it might surprise me a little bit is because wide receivers

are pretty obvious idea at either one of those spots too. Yeah. And I'm scared of the wide

receivers. There seems to be there's flaws of whether it's like being healthy and playing

or 40 time, like, is there are there wide outs that really weren't going in the first round that

you you feel confident? I know you said you're just kind of starting to get into it, but you have

kind of a feel on on where you are as to the wide receivers being round one caliber.

The two that I've watched the most so far, and I like them both quite a bit. You know,

you always start at the top. And so you end up finding guys you like right away. I like

Colonel Tate. I like the guy lemon. I like the way both of them in my opinion, and I'm actually

going to be writing about this with lemon. The way they both win, I think, translates really well

how the modern NFL receiver gets open. An easy example, and of course everyone's always,

you know, looking at the most recent thing, but JSN in Seattle, one of the knocks on him coming

out, right? He's not an elite athlete. He's not, you know, this really high little athlete,

how is he going to threaten down the field? The last year is probably the best deep ball

threat in the game because he runs his routes. He's got enough athleticism. He's got great ball skills,

and he runs his routes with such intentionality. That's one area where Colonel Tate and

McKay lemon both have a ton of intentionality and a ton of polish in their routes. And that's

what you've come to expect from Ohio State receivers, especially those guys come out, you know,

it's a factory there. But they both do a great job setting up defenders, and they both have good

enough physical traits that they're not just purely relying on winning with technique.

Lemon's undersized, but he's built like a running back as opposed to being like, you know,

people here are a smaller receiver and they're going to think you save your worthy,

or even like Hollywood Brown, but he's not built like them. He's built and he does not play

the same way, so this is just for build sake. He's built more like Tyree Kill. He's built more like

a running back, and he's got tremendous ball skills, and he's got tremendously strong hands.

So I like his tape. I think the way seeing people win could translate well at the next level

in terms of being able to win against some of that man-matched stuff that is so prevalent in the

lead now. One of the things that I know you were talking about, you mentioned Cam Jordan in

there as a guy you like. You also mentioned Will Dissle a tight end. Do you think that they,

since they got Travis Kelsey on the third round that they're just never that that will never be a

high investment position. They're just going to keep continuing to take a lower round guys at

that position. Man, I hope not that would drive me insane. That would be like, that would be like

because you took a walk on a beach and a clam washed up with a giant hurl that you assumed you

could just walk the beach the rest of your life and never have to work again. It's not how this

works, and so the thing is for me, I talked about Will Dissle, not because you can do any of the

things Travis Kelsey can. No one can. And that's my big point is this whole like trying to find Travis

Kelsey light experiment, but as you're tied into, it doesn't work. And you end up finding guys who

can't be the type of blockers that really are needed in today's NFL. And that's why a guy like

Dissle would make a ton of sense. He's a genuinely high level blocker, and they really have

never replaced Blake Bell as a legitimately good blocker. And this is a better blocker than Bell

was. But like having a guy who can block well in line, take on defense events, that opens up

so much about what your run games can do. And that didn't matter nearly as much three years ago.

But now that NFL teams have kind of caught up to modern offensive schemes in the passing game,

in terms of some of the match stuff and some of their disguises, now it doesn't matter more

because teams are playing a lot of two safety stuff and they're taking away the passing game.

And so now it's cyclical, right? Now we got to run the ball again. Well, you know what you need to

run the ball, a tight end who can dig out a defensive end who's playing outside the tackle.

And that's something that Dissle can do. And man, I hope they don't, I hope they understand

that you cannot replace Travis Kelsey. You cannot replace his role, even if they were to somehow

draft the next 20 guns all that's who is an incredible player. His way of winning, everyone's

way of winning at the time and position is different than Travis Kelsey. And so you would have to

change the role no matter who you have. So they've got to be planning to pivot, not just continue.

Yeah, it's to me, you know, I like, I'm not a huge fan of the signing given 12 plus million

dollars to Travis Kelsey as at this point in his career. I mean, I think one of the things they need

to do, like we talk about getting under center, you need to evolve into a wide receiver centric

offense. Like that's part of it is like if you're going to run the game is then you play action

off of it and you go down field because you should be drawing people up and you know, Travis Kelsey's

kind of been the guy that like everybody's going down field to open things up underneath for Travis

Kelsey. Well, the run game should draw everything in, right? And then you need to take your shot

down the field. So I mean, I, you know, like to me, there are tight ends that are out there.

We keep seeing other teams find good tight ends. The chiefs, like you said, I do love what you said

about Travis Kelsey light. How about quit drafting guys who played quarterback in high school and college?

You know, like all their all their tight ends played quarterback. It's like, I don't, I don't get it.

It's yeah, you're looking for a maybe there might be more of a correlation than a

causation thing there. And you're not, you just can't get you can't expect to strike lightning

that way. Travis Kelsey's the greatest receiving tight end ever lived. And you're not going to find

a guy who wins that same way. And so, and the because he's so unique, getting 70% of what he does

doesn't allow you to operate your offense the same way. And so I, I agree. I think they need to be

more wide receiver centered. I couldn't even go out and find a great tight end because that can be a

match up nightmare. But you know, he's not going to be a similar type of tight end. You've got to use

him more as that team winner and the way other tight ends win more in the league. Unless you somehow

grab Brock Bowers and even Brock Bowers wins differently than Travis Kelsey has won at most of his

career. But Bowers wins more the way like like you're won through year four Travis Kelsey won, right?

With just a shocking athleticism for his size and this incredible ability run catch in good ball skills.

But that's not the Travis Kelsey we've watched and the Travis Kelsey that they built the offense

around. Travis Kelsey they built the offense around is a top what three reading defenses as a

route runner of all time. You're not going to find that again. Yeah, yeah. It's like stop trying to

just turn it, you know, like we said, recreate what you've already had. Let's look for the next

thing. And I think that's where they've got to be progressive and it just doesn't feel like they're

doing that. All right, we're talking to Seth Kaiser here from the Chief of the North Newsletter,

required reading if you were a big time cheese fan. Let's get to our final four. Let's start with

this. The Chiefs have nine picks in this draft. How many do you think they're actually how many

players do you think they're actually going to come away with? I think they actually come away with

eight. I don't think they I think they do some kind of trade up, but I think they might have

some kind of trade down, but I think they ultimately end up taking eight. Okay, is there still snow

on the ground? Um, you made a few places, yes, but only where it's been piled up at the end of

parking lots or like places where they're shade. Otherwise, it's been an unfeasenably lovely march.

Okay. Good. Good. So it hasn't it hasn't been too frosty. All right. How's your bracket look

right now? I I I I follow college basketball these days about as close as I follow college football.

So my bracket is beautiful in that it does not exist. Yeah, I knew it. I just like to underscore

that how much of a film chiefs football junk you are when it comes to it. No time for real life.

Stop of your bracket stuff. I've got tape to watch. Um, all right. Uh, do you have a, uh, do you

have a sleep or someone someone you've kind of got your eye on that you're going to be writing about

that you're looking at that you like to see the chiefs get? I know you mentioned came Jordan. I

know some of the stuff that's there on the site, but anything gives a peek under the covers. What's

coming is to someone you might be, uh, you know, uh, given us a crush on or, uh, still another

free agent you haven't had a chance to write about? Sure. So I mean, I really am. I think

Kim Jordan would be a terrific fit with the chiefs. And I've written about that a little bit in terms

of the way he wins. Um, the fact that they need a guy who can at least be a productive rotational

past rusher. Um, Jordan was better last year than Dana or a men who were and there's an opportunity

to kind of be walking to the draft upgraded over what you have last year. Um, he plays really

well run defense. It's a great fit. The other thing and this is going to sound so counter to

everything, too. And I just got done talking about it. So don't get mad at me. Um, I might write a

piece because I'm definitely going to review a film about why the chiefs training back and grabbing

uh, Kangins to be wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. Um, they had an end out of Oregon,

which again, I don't really counter into it. Everything we just talked about. But the fact that he is

a good receiver, but he's also very solid blocker. Kind of factors into that for me. And so I

find a writing about him as well. Okay. All right. We look forward to it. And it's always great

catching up with your set. We appreciate it. We'll talk to you again down the road. Sounds great.

Thanks for having me. All right. But first, the law fed a delicate testant into the hour answer.

How many NCAA tournament games have there been between 35 win teams? Oh,

two. Five last year floor to Houston. There were three in the 2008 final four. Wow. That's

holy cow. All right. All three games. So the big boys are going at it again this year. By the way,

a correction. Yes. Uh, Christian Latenter actually has 21. Oh, it's like somebody was saying

early, 18. Yeah. I know. Yeah. 21 for for late for late in the 18 for Bobby Hurley. So

Carey had still not even no fee when he's not even second. Not even tied for second. If they

win the nanny, he'll pass. He'll pass early. It's going to be better. It would still be back

a later. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Uh, Royals of one three to one. The boys in blue get the

W Chris Boobich the win six more strong innings from a royal starting pitcher. Just two hits.

One run three walks four strikeouts needs just 75 pitches to get through six. What do we have?

Like it was like 60 or something. 67 maybe for Lugo and like 70 for walk. I mean, they've been

very efficient. Yeah. Uh, the last three starts. Uh, but Chris Boobich does get the win. Uh, as we

mentioned before the game, no Lucas Erseg, at least not likely. Yeah. Is what we heard from

Matt Quaterer that Lucas Erseg or Matt Strong would be available. They didn't pitch and they didn't

need him. Daniel Lynch touched. I saw it 95. You may have caught even got even higher than that.

But his velocity's going up. He had a clean inning one hit. Uh, no walks. Uh, one K, no hits.

Nick Mears, an inning hit. No runs. Okay. And then John Triber closed it out. He got the save.

He goes an inning ahead. No runs. No walks. No Ks. Your Kansas City Royals are now back at 500.

And we're likely to have a question. Will the Royals be below 500 again this year? We'll see if

that ends up becoming pertinent when it's all said and done.