Harry And Rachel Part 2: When True Love Dies

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Last week on chameleon, we heard part one of Harry and Rachel. The story of a hopeless romantic and a woman who just keeps stringing him along.

This woman, Rachel, got sick. Some old cancer had recurred, and she wanted to see Harry and Santa Barbara, a town that had some history for them.

The emotional night culminated in an embrace.

That night we go back to the room, and as we're laying down together, she hugged me in a way that I have never been hugged by anyone.

It was like we were head to head, nose to nose, and she had me by the back of the head, and she would not let me go.

And I could feel tears on her face, and I could feel her kind of shaking, and she wouldn't let me go.

And I tried to gently ease her away and say, what's going on?

And I thought she was just afraid of cancer. I thought she was afraid she was going to die and never seen me.

After the hug, after that happy but sad reunion or whatever it was, Harry went back home to Vegas.

He was confused and just really worried.

Those worries were affirmed on June 5th, when Rachel told him that her health was slipping fast.

She had exhibited signs of a heart attack and possibly also a stroke, and was rushed to the French Hospital Medical Center, and San Luis Obispo on June 5th, 2022.

That started the 563 days of her being in the hospital, with what she claimed was stage 4 cancer.

Rachel told Harry that she was on a very serious chemo drug called Doxorubisin, which is often called the Red Devil, because of its punishing effects on the body, and the Red Devil was taking its toll on her, she said.

Every impulse told Harry to rush to California to see Rachel, but she urged him to stay away.

She didn't want him around, not when she was in that state, and not with her husband Mark and kids around.

So Harry assumed a new role, caregiver from afar.

She encouraged me to live my life. She was saying, go live your life, go be with your friends, and in my heart, all I wanted to do was stay home and take care of her.

I loved her, and I thought the best thing I could do was to be a virtual caregiver.

Harry and Rachel talked and texted every day. She would disappear for periods, but that made sense. She was constantly in and out of treatments.

The chemo especially was brutal. COVID taught us how to be present with someone without being present, and I did it repeatedly, and I did it to the best of my ability, and there were good days in or bad.

There were plenty of times where I was falling apart thinking, she's going to die, and I can't do anything to control it. I can't help.

What Harry wanted most was to go see her, even for a day. But Rachel was in what she called protective isolation. Her condition was just too precarious for visitors.

I would have driven four hours to tap on the glass.

Right? Give me a protective suit. You want to shoot me with some antibiotics or put me in quarantine for a week, put me in the Walter White and Jesse Pinkman suit, and let me go in.

Let me hold her hand. Let me look into her eyes. I was literally suicidal near the end before I found out what was going on.

It's sort of hard to believe in retrospect, but more than a year passed like this with Harry sitting vigil in Vegas, wondering every day if this would be the one when he'd get the news he was dreading.

Then on December 20th, 2023, Harry got a call from probably the last person on earth he wanted to hear from at that point. Mark, Rachel's husband.

My blood starts to boil. I think what does this guy want from me?

This is the man who, according to Rachel, had been abusing her, who was the primary reason they weren't together, who had been four years a problem that just wouldn't go away.

I don't take the call because my blood pressure and my heart rate are going up. I wear an eye watch. Like I can see my heart rate went up to like 110.

I'm a resting 74, 73 kind of guy. I take a minute. I go out to the car and I call him. I said, Mark, it's Harry so and so.

He said, well, thanks for calling me back. I appreciate it. And I said, like, what's the purpose of your call?

Harry's back was up. He was, as his mother might say, not his best Harry.

He said, who is Rachel to you? And I said, she's my fiance. And who the fuck is she to you? And what do you want?

And Mark seemed surprised. Did you say fiance?

Yeah, she's my fiance. And I know you beat the shit out of her in 2012 and you're lucky that I didn't drive to San Luis Obispo and beat your ass when I found out about this.

She had to talk me out of it. So you're fucking lucky. What do you want? What's your point?

Mark was surprisingly calm, composed.

He said, once the last time you saw her. And I said, May 5th, 2022, 18 months ago, 563 days ago, at the Santa Barbara Hotel when we separated and she started chemo treatment.

And he said, this is your cell phone. You're calling me from I said, yeah.

Harry's phone vibrates. It's a text message with a video attached.

And it's a Rachel walking through the door. She walks through the door with roses in her hand.

And I'm looking at them.

I'm like, what? What am I looking at?

That's Rachel, Mark said, in a video taken last night.

I'm a fairly articulate man. I cannot tell you what I was thinking in that moment.

Like I thought the day before she was 66 pounds and had stayed for cancer and wasn't going to make it.

Had broken ribs from CPR was just in the worst shape of her life.

And there she is. No hair missing. No scar from a brain tumor.

Able to walk, not paralyzed.

No machines keeping her alive.

She's walking in the house. Clear as day, full head of hair with roses in her hand.

I was stunned. I was pissed.

If I were a cartoon character, I would be Yosemite Sam chasing Bugs Bunny.

And the red would be going up and my shotgun would be in my hand.

And I said, I need a minute. I need a minute.

And I'm going to have to call you back.

And if you think you know how this story goes, if you think Rachel was faking her cancer to keep Harriet Bay

so that she continue her relationship with her husband, well, yeah, you'd be right.

But that's just the start.

Because the video that Mark sent of Rachel and the roses, those weren't for Mark or from Mark.

They were from her other boyfriend, a guy named Russ.

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This week, part two of Harry and Rachel were almost everything Harry thought he knew about Rachel as cast and doubt.

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Mark and Rachel's marriage was far from perfect. They had their share of issues and been to counseling, but they'd written it out.

Ray is a healthy family, and in 2023, two decades into it, things felt mostly okay.

Sure, Rachel would go out now and then, and sometimes stay out. But she worked for an airline.

Late nights plus some travel were just part of it. She was also very social and sometimes stayed over with friends.

One night, Rachel told Mark she was working in overnight at the airport. He ordered some food and decided to get her some too as a surprise.

So he picked it up and drove over to the airport. But when he arrived, there was no sign of Rachel's car.

He tried her phone, no answer.

Mark wasn't an especially suspicious guy, but this didn't feel right.

He says he did something he'd never done before. He pulled their cell phone records and noticed a bunch of very long calls to a single number with a Pasa Robles area code.

He searched the number online, got an address, and headed over. This was December 15, 2023.

Knocks on the door, Russ answers the door and says, can I help you? By the way, Russ is wearing pajama bottoms, and that's it.

And the house is dark, the lights are off, Rachel's car is in the driveway.

It's no mystery what's going on here, but Russ isn't saying anything. He leaves Mark on the doorstep.

So he waits in the driveway, sits there and waits.

It's on a ring camera. I've seen it. I've seen the picture of him with his arms folded, sitting on the hood of Rachel's car, waiting for her to come out of the house.

And eventually he leaves, she comes home, does the crawl a shame home, and they talk about it, and they're going to try to figure some things out, and sorry, and you know, poor me.

Three days later, Mark decides to pick Rachel up at the airport after her shift. He's going to take her out to dinner.

He wants to try and piece the relationship back together with the woman he's been with for 23 years, the mother of his kids.

But when he gets to the airport, he sees his wife with Russ, making out in the parking lot.

So he and Russ end up in a fist fight. This is like pays of our lives on steroids.

There's a fist fight on airport, property, Rachel's in the middle of it, punches thrown, Russ gets knocked down, Mark gets knocked down, Mark's glasses break, his face is cut up.

Two days later, Mark picks up their oldest daughter from college. She's the only one over the floor who's left home.

She sees the cut on his face. What happened, she asks?

Mark said, well, I had a fight with mom's boyfriend, and Madison said, Harry? And Mark said, Harry, who the fuck is Harry?

Madison pulls out her phone and starts scrolling through pictures until she finds a series of grabs from Harry's Instagram account, from about a year and a half prior.

A bunch of pictures of Rachel and I together. Rachel's my girl, Rachel's commenting on it. She's got a picture of a note that I wrote that she found in Rachel's car. She's got pictures of flowers that were sent to the house. She's like, this is mom's boyfriend.

She just hadn't wanted to say anything. She was afraid to blow the family up because she couldn't really verify beyond what she had. So then Mark calls me.

That's where we left you at the top with Mark calling Harry to let him know firstly that he knew about his relationship with Rachel and then that they were both being taken for a ride.

Harry, upon hearing this, couldn't process it. He needed to hear from Rachel. He called her and when she didn't pick up, he texted, who is Russ?

And she immediately responded to that text and she said, I don't know that name. And I said, are you sure you don't know Russ so and so?

I don't know that name. I said, well, it's interesting because I just had a phone call with Mark. You know, you're still husband, Mark.

Rachel, he says, started to fumble, accusing Mark of coming to the hospital to bother her.

And I said, Rachel, you're not in the hospital. You're not sick. I saw you on the ring camera five nights ago.

Where are you right now? And I'm sitting staring at my phone waiting for the bubbles to pop up and I get the message that I will never forget, which is Harry.

Harry, my situation has recently changed and I've chosen to not include you.

I've been sitting here for a year and a half. I thought you were pregnant with our child. I thought you had cancer.

I thought you were dying. And now you're not only cheating and lying with me, but you've got another boyfriend you're starting with and you're still married to Mark.

You've got three of us. And she said, I can't really talk now, but please stop talking to Mark. You're making it worse for me.

This did not exactly diffuse Harry's temper.

Who the fuck do you think you are that you can tell me to stop talking to Mark because I'm making it worse for you?

What about what I've been through? What about what I've been through? And she wouldn't talk. Wouldn't talk.

Rachel stopped replying, but Harry wasn't letting it go that easily. And a few days later, she relented and called back.

She was tearful and remorseful and I said, why did you do this? And she said, I tried to get you to leave me.

And I said, you tried with everything but the truth, but that doesn't answer my question. Why did you do it? You're still married to Mark.

And she said, I did it because of Mark. I couldn't get away. And I wanted to leave. And I still want to leave.

And I'm trying to get out. And I couldn't tell you. I couldn't talk to you about it.

Harry was on a mission. He wanted every detail, every lie to try and work out the truth and make some sense of it.

But the only person who could give him answers was Rachel herself.

I said, why didn't you just tell me the truth? Why couldn't you just be honest with me? Her response was, I tried to get you to leave me.

Why didn't you? You tried to get me to leave?

He means all those times she pleaded with him to get on with his life, to not take on the burden of someone who was possibly dying, who had a million problems of her own.

And obviously, none of this made a difference. Harry was in love.

I said, look at all these texts I have from you about how much you love me and that you fight for me every single day and nothing else matters in the world.

I have those notes. I've handwritten them.

I've seen some of them and emails and a series of elaborately designed newsletters Rachel made for Harry in 2022 when she was supposedly hospitalized.

They're covered in photos of Harry and have little stories with titles like To Love and Be Loved.

One, titled Locations, Dates, Outfits starts like this.

November 10th, 2022. Will this be the day we finally wed?

You tried to get me to leave with everything but the truth. You tried to get me to leave.

Just ridiculous. Posters.

The thing I couldn't help but wonder as an observer was how this possibly could have worked.

How could Rachel have managed to keep a husband and a boyfriend who got as much attention as Harry, a boyfriend who was getting pledges of undying love and who she was circling dates to marry?

I think she was going to have to plan her own death or just push me far enough away that I would stay away from her for another couple years and then magically she could pop into my life at some point and say, hey, I'm better.

I recovered from the cancer. Can we get together?

Alternatively, if Rachel really was done with Harry, she might have found a way to just declare herself dead.

This seems like a thing Rachel did sometimes.

She would tell Harry about the death of someone in her life who would subsequently turn out not to be dead at all, like her sister Sherry.

Rachel told Harry that Sherry died, many years back.

But Sherry, very much alive, and in touch with both Mark and Harry, who sent me a text message from last June, in which Sherry reports that she was at the spa when the lady doing her facial started talking about Harry's podcast.

I eventually told him, I'm the dead sister, Sherry wrote.

Then there's Bobby, the old flame who she supposedly left Mark for, then discovered, had a secret life and lover, and then died of an overdose.

She needed to create the Bobby narrative so that I would stay away, knowing that she was taken care of and some new man came into her life and was going to take care of her.

When in reality, he was married, she was married to her first husband Todd, and they were each other's side pieces.

And then at one point, Bobby moves to Flint. Rachel goes to see him and they split up.

Rachel out of anger because she doesn't take rejection well, gets one of her girlfriends and says,

why don't you come with me to Flint to meet my friend, Brian, not Bobby. Bobby had just broken up with her, but Bobby introduced her to a guy named Brian Flint.

Rachel and his girlfriend go to Flint as an act of revenge, Rachel strikes up a relationship with Brian.

Literally, whirlwind relationship and ends up in four months married to Brian.

Less than a year after Rachel's marriage to Mark, she's now married to Mark and to Brian.

Wow, and as you've probably guessed, Bobby is very much alive. Rachel never did leave Mark for him, which I know because Mark told me, he and Rachel never separated in more than 20 years of marriage until it all came tumbling down in 2023.

And of course, you have to remember that this was all stuff Harry found out later.

He had pieces of the truth, information that would back up the version of herself that she wanted Harry to know.

He knew nothing of the reality of all these relationships.

It's very much like a baseball team where there's a bullpen. That's what it was.

To him, he was the main character in his and Rachel's story with Mark as the villain.

Like, I was against Mark until I realized what Mark really was.

He's a sweet guy. He is the antithesis of me, affable and soft-spoken.

And I thought in the end what she was planning, and this may sound crazy, is I think she wanted me to have some confrontation which would end in Mark's passing.

I think she wanted me to kill Mark. I really do.

This is, to be clear, just Harry's theory, a gut feeling.

I think it kills two birds with one stone. It gets me away from her and out of her life, and it gets Mark out of her life.

You can understand how Harry could get there. This was not a woman who could just end relationships like a normal person.

I mean, she could have asked Mark for a divorce at any stage.

There were so many exit ramps along the way that she could have taken.

Why not take one of them and be honest? Why not say to me in that hotel room.

Listen, I have not been honest. I don't have cancer. I didn't know how to tell you that I don't have cancer. I'm afraid.

I feel stuck in my relationship with Mark. Any number of things. I'm a pragmatic guy.

At that point, I could have said, you know what? You didn't have to lie to me. I don't want you to ever lie to me again.

I'm willing to look past this.

Or, you know, in the alternate reality where that happened, maybe Harry would have run immediately to his car and sped away forever.

I said it didn't have to be that way, Rachel.

And by the way, it's not too late. I thought, if you talk to me, is there a way for us to talk about it and see our way through it?

I know people listening are going to go, are you kidding me? They're throwing stuff at their radio or her or they're listening to her.

Like, what are you talking about? You sat home for 563 days. What's wrong with you, fool?

But the reality is, is when you love somebody, when you really love somebody. And I loved her with every fiber it might be.

In most versions of this story, the Harry character would be devastated and would probably run as far as he could

from the sociopath who'd just played him so badly, who'd lied to him and her husband and God knows how many others.

He'd suffer and wallow and eventually move on, and probably feel happier for it.

Because, what if she'd reeled him back in somehow? What an incredible fucking bullet to dodge.

But that's not Harry. He didn't put it behind him. Quite the opposite.

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Once the truth was out that Rachel had been spinning lies for as long as he'd known her.

Harry didn't just retreat and lick his wounds. He needed to know everything.

And he began an obsessive quest to unravel the lies in search of the truth.

I mean, this is what you're dealing with. You're dealing with someone who is a typical con artist.

When they're caught, they go screw you. So what?

So you caught me. F you. I'm on to the next one.

That's what they do. Can you imagine doing that to somebody?

And Rachel, I just thought there's something serendipitous about this relationship.

And I got fooled.

And then I've gone from sadness and heartbreak to now like she is setting Mark up.

Mark is facing possible prison. Still.

This is true. Mark ultimately did leave Rachel.

First, to an RV parked out in front of their house. But ultimately to his own rental house.

Rachel did not let him go easily. She made allegations and filed for restraining orders.

And now Mark hasn't seen three of his four daughters in two years.

As the various cases, all of which he says are based on lies,

wind their way through the California courts.

He and Harry have become friends of a sort.

They are members of a small and undesirable club of men who happened to fall for one particular woman.

The work that became Harry's podcast, the messenger, the Rachel Cancer scam,

really started as an impromptu exercise in personal therapy.

He ultimately wrote and produced 12 episodes,

a full season in which she unspooled his story, unfiltered.

It was tough for me to tell a story and at what's even worse,

you know this as a podcast guy.

When after you record an episode,

your natural instinct is to go back and listen to it

and go, does it sound okay?

I couldn't listen to episodes nine through twelve

because I was so upset.

It's heartbreaking to me to hear me in that frame of mind.

So after I got done with all that,

I built this beat board for season two.

I started to realize, oh there's, you know, that husband Todd,

I really need to have a conversation with him.

I hadn't even heard about Todd.

I found the boyfriend Brad that she faked twins with.

She stole the ultrasound from her sister.

I hadn't heard about Brad either.

I found a woman she lived with in 2011 and 2012

that took care of their kids that witnessed her faking cancer.

I found a guy in 2011 that tells a similar story to mine.

That's Greg, who worked with Rachel at a local bank.

Here's what Greg says Rachel told him.

Rachel was in a horrific accident, she lost her memory.

I had an affair with her during that time.

She faked cancer, she faked two pregnancies.

She bought a cemetery plot for our babies in San Luis Obispo.

Like I'm hearing all this stuff and I'm going, oh my god.

The more people that hear the story, the more opportunity there is to find people.

At what point do I just give up and go, she's got to get stopped.

She's got to get arrested.

An arrest would require proof of a crime.

And there may be crimes out there.

For one thing, if she really was married to Brian and Mark at the same time,

that's big of me.

And there is evidence.

But the statute of limitations has passed.

Mark's also alleging false police reports and fabricated evidence.

Those things could ultimately come out in court.

What's undeniable is that the scale of Rachel's romance scams,

the wreckage she's left in her wake is vast.

There are nine fake pregnancies with different men over the years.

Like Mike Cherry, who you can hear in season two, episode 18,

who said this to Harry, after explaining that he and Rachel were looking at houses to move in together,

along with their girls.

I just remember thinking, there's a few red flags,

but don't question it and screw up the relationship because you're questioning the red flag.

There are at least ten guys that she's had affairs with.

One other person that she faked cancer and near death experience with,

but she told her entire family that she had cancer in 2012.

And what's worse than all of that is what she's doing to her husband right now

by keeping him away from his kids for no good reason,

saying that he did things that he didn't do and he's not capable of doing.

Mark, when I finally reached him, confirmed everything I'd heard.

He too was still learning things about the woman he'd been married to for 24 years.

The woman he was finally divorced from, as of two days before we spoke.

He was in a car on the highway, so the quality isn't great.

We found out that there was a newer side of the air throughout the years.

I was just like, wow, this woman is just so prolific.

I don't know who I was married to for that period of time,

but it definitely wasn't the woman that I thought he was.

My goal is to bring truth to light.

And so I'm doing that in the form of these lawsuits in civil court that I filed against her.

And hopefully, you know, in the end, people will see that she's just a very troubled one.

Take me out of the equation, what she's done to her husband,

and everyone else in her life, her family, her poor mother, who loves her, her sister,

all these people that want nothing more than for her to be happy and healthy and know she's loved.

She's walked away from everybody.

You know, she just writes people off like a con artist writes someone off out of their script.

She is a very smart woman.

She and I talked for 563 days straight when I thought she was in the hospital,

minus about a month at the end.

And she remembers every single detail about everything.

She is able to hold things together in a way that I have never seen.

It's time for me to be done with it.

I want her stopped.

I want her arrested.

I want her charged.

The TSA and the FBI and the FAA twice have investigated the fake pilot's license,

and they can't prove it's a forgery.

So yes, Rachel did claim to be a pilot and does appear to have owned a fake pilot's license.

I can't confirm that the FBI investigated, but I have seen letters from Harry to these agencies.

She also was never actually a lawyer.

When Mark met her back in LA, she told him she was in law school at UCLA,

having gotten her undergrad at Rice.

Neither of those things was true.

When she's pulled off from crazy fraudulent aim,

she had us convinced that she was an actual nurse.

But she would come home and scrub and wearing a stethoscope

and, you know, had a fake badge.

Had us all convinced that she was working at the hospital at the jury.

Rachel was in reality a nurse's assistant.

She had everybody at her job convinced that she was a pilot nurse.

And you were a grown woman.

One of those women appears anonymously on Harry's podcast.

She says Rachel had them all convinced she was flying Medevac choppers in her spare time.

It is completely understandable to feel heartbroken if you've been through what happened to Harry.

It's so much to think about how I allowed my life to be destroyed by this process.

When if I were just getting some counseling or really listening to someone,

someone could have literally put their hands on my shoulder and gone, stop.

I'm going to hire an investigator.

I'm going to figure out what's real. It's not.

And that would have ended it.

But I was so in it that I couldn't get out of my own way.

You can fault him for being naive, for not seeing the flags, for keeping the faintest hope alive

in the face of so many rejections.

But Harry just wanted so badly for this woman to love him.

He didn't want to see the signs.

So I get the hurt and the anger.

What I don't totally get is the podcast.

And Harry himself says this was difficult.

In the beginning it was therapeutic.

And then when I started social media and that social media,

in the beginning it was an active revenge.

When I did social media, I set up a TikTok and an Instagram of like 140,000 people

looked at that Instagram account.

And then I thought, you know what, I'm on to this and I'm going to do it and it's going to be healthy.

I'm just not sure I would want to put myself out there in that way.

I had unbelievable anxiety the night before this came out.

I literally was sitting in my backyard thinking, is it too late to call the podcast provider

and say, pull it, stop it, I'm done, I'm out.

Harry knew what he was inviting into his life.

And the people that are cutting on me through the internet are calling me a joke.

They're calling me naive. They're calling me gullible.

You know, you're calling me names.

I'm just not used to that and it was unnerving to me.

This was, I hate to say it inevitable.

Being as open as Harry has been, bearing his soul and laying out a painfully personal saga

in which any objective observer is thinking at various points,

come on man, how can you not see this?

But you know how love goes, sometimes it makes us do crazy things.

I always try to engage with everyone, say listen,

have you ever loved somebody more than you ever loved anything in the world?

And if something happened to that relationship, what would you be prepared to do?

And most people's answer is I will be prepared to do what I need to do to save it.

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