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Jacob and Drew welcome back Nate of The Monster Island Film Vault to review his Patreon pick of G.I. Joe A Real American Hero The Movie!
Plus the Batman The Animated Series episodes "Baby-Doll" and "The Lion and The Unicorn" https://linktr.ee/thecelcastpodcast
The cell cast is recorded in front of a live streaming audience.
Hello and welcome to another episode of The Cellcast.
Joining me today is a man who searches for bombs while his friend searches Droughts the Car.
Welcome Jacob.
Hey, I've got to do nose. Come on, why not?
Why thank you, let me use a collar your nose remember it goes.
Exactly.
Fruit loops.
This is a snout not a beak.
Hey.
Why thank you, let me use our co-host.
A man who, oh my gosh, if you didn't start, stop screaming and co-
I'm going to run my head into a wall.
Welcome, Drew.
I have opinions about that particular character that will come up later.
How toyed it can you get?
Oh my gosh.
I'm kidding.
Also, because this is his Patreon pic.
Joining us tonight is a man who, uh, well, he sounds like Sarscream and he's not Skeletor.
But he is, he is a Nate Marchand, of the Monster Island convolt.
Yes, I, hello cell nation.
I am Nate Marchand, the host of such podcasts.
Yes, as the Monster Island convolt and Henshin Power V3, the founder of tonight's
speech and the destroyer of Jacob.
I once was a man.
No, seriously, all I have to do to wreck Jacob and to reel this entire podcast is just say
Diabetic Skeletor.
And we're already on that path.
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
Again, I will draw that if you do a clip of it.
If I clip that up for those who don't know, don't listen to my season premiere, where these
gentlemen joined me.
And then yes, Jimmy, I'm getting to that.
We was over Ultraman, the adventure begins and animated Ultraman movie made by Hannah
Barbarra of all people in a same year as this, actually, from 1987.
And I brought them on because we're covering Ultraman movies on M.I.
of V this season, the ultra journey is what we're calling it.
And then the diabetes joke landed in the Veggie Tells episode.
Yes.
We landed.
I like, I listened back to that episode and I'm like, I can follow the trait of thought that
got us here, but it's a very weird train.
Yes.
It's a special episode and context.
Yes.
A very long context.
So point where I actually forgot about it until I heard your episode.
And then you talked about it.
Oh, it's like at that point.
You guys still promote right?
Yes.
But that's what we do.
So what are we watching today?
Since it's Nate's patron pic.
Why don't you tell us what we're watching.
Yeah.
Something action, action man right?
Action.
Action, action, action, action, action.
And the saviors of the Autobots and Decepticons.
Thundercats were all right.
I love the he man and Star Wars.
Anyway, we're talking about GI Joe the movie from 1987.
Because you guys already covered Transformers.
We did.
So I was like, you guys now got to talk about the other movie.
by basically the same team with some of the same cast members that was on the sister
show to transformers.
Right.
Well, now what you need to do to complete the Trimogy, you guys do my little pony move.
Well later this year, we are doing a little pony move, but not my little pony, the movie.
Don't make me, don't make me sponsor it.
I've never seen it, never had a desire to see it, I have to complete the set.
I have seen it.
I've seen more ponies than I care to mention, we're not going down that road just yet.
Okay, Jimmy, I get it.
Geez.
I didn't really, seriously, you're a Brody.
I don't want to talk about it.
All right.
It's good to know that Jimmy enjoys the pretty past up ponies, earning a press digitation
of companionship.
What he said.
Yes, we are doing GI Joe, are we surviving this episode?
No, he's not.
We are doing GI Joe, a real American hero, I'm using the full full name, the movie.
Why don't we go ahead and jump into the spoiler free section?
Years.
Certified fresh and spoiler free.
Not only is this the first time I've watched this particular film, this is the first time
I've watched anything related in any way, shape or form to GI Joe, which I went into this
Bapples, man.
Absolutely, and utterly, completely blind.
The only thing I knew connected to this as a cover commander, because how do you not
know cover commander, he's everywhere on the internet, he's discounted Skeletor for
being honest.
Wow, wow, I see we're going with this, wow, coming out, swinging, and my only other knowledge
of anything like this was on the website, homestarrunner.com, with the original commander, which we
also have our pleasure.
So this is my only knowledge of any of this, and it, oh my gosh, let me just say going
into this blind, I was lost for, well, with the exception of the first couple of minutes,
I think that's there, that's that I was able, I was able to go go on, don't mean the character.
Oh, where, where's my, where is it?
There you go, but I was lost for a good half hour going, wait, who is what now?
I'm just like, which one of these is actually the main GI Joe?
I don't know what's actually named GI Joe, I have expected will someone to be, okay, crash
course in the.
I don't do the, yeah, I know it was snake eyes, yeah, I don't think I was in this.
Yeah, GI Joe is like transformers.
It's an ensemble.
Yes.
In fact, I listened to the commentary, I watched this movie twice, this week in preparation,
time with the commentary, and it was commented by Buzz Dixon, and which I'm going to have to,
depending on what your info and stuff and all that, it says I may have to clarify some
things there.
But he was, he was, I'll just say it now, he basically says like, yeah, the only reason
I didn't get listed as a screenwriter is because Ron Freeman had a contract.
Yeah.
They created it solely as writer, but he said basically he wrote the final draft of the script
and almost nothing that Ron Freeman had came through other than, I think he said, like
nemesis enforcer.
Yeah, that was the, that was the order, yeah, yeah, so he, he said that there were 86 speaking
characters on GI Joe, and he said, we were, that was the largest cast of any cartoon other
than transformers.
Yes.
And he said later, they were eclipsed by the Simpsons, which now has 300 yes, and I
will say I am not reading every cast member on this.
I did narrowing down because we would be here all night.
Yeah.
So it's an ensemble show.
But if you're talking about, there's your crash course in the history of the character.
Part of this, I did not just find out until I went to an army surplus store in my hometown,
and I found World War II era, like, oh, I'm going to get into the manuals.
I am going to get into the whole, we're doing GI Joe came from.
Okay.
Then never mind.
Because a certain person who was in this was in a movie from World War II about GI Joe.
So we will get to that.
Yeah.
And fun fact, in the second live action GI Joe movie, Bruce Willis played the original
GI Joe.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
Which was interesting.
So you went.
I went into this completely blind.
I think I wrote, I knew some characters from Osmosis besides, besides Cobra Commander,
like I knew, I knew the Baroness on site, because I'm sure how do you not know the Baroness
on site.
I knew basically why the, why each of the Joe's was dressed up the way they were.
I kind of knew that's like, okay, Cobra's the bad guys, the Joe's are the good guys.
And this is going to be America on television, and it's great as on television, basically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is the biggest or my propaganda thing you could do at the time.
Which we will, I have some things related to that to say, I will say that this isn't one
of my dislikes, like, well, I listed as a potential dislike, but I won't use it now.
This is not a self-contained movie.
No, it is not.
No, no.
I don't think you need to have seen as much of the show as, you know, you don't have to
have seen the entirety of the show before this just seasons one and two.
I would say, no, there's only two seasons at this point.
I would say, like, if the other seasons were after this, I would say, yeah, I would say,
which we'll talk about, because boy, howdy, because they, yeah, the deep seasons are
a major step down, but I give them credit, they try to follow up the movie, they didn't
just do a reboot.
They attempted to do a follow up.
It's a weird follow up, but they tried to follow up, but I would say if you had seen
a smattering of season one, if you had seen the five part season premiere of season two,
you would probably be able to follow this movie five.
I did not.
This was the first day of watching and great, that first five minutes, I was like, on
the floor, it's like, oh, yeah, go, Joe, all that kind of stuff.
It's a yo Joe, sorry, yo, Joe, go, Joe, what are some iterations?
They say go, Joe and it's stupid, either way.
And then literally, like the next scene, I'm completely thrown off by first by a credit
that we'll get to, because it's like, wait a minute, how does that work?
I know exactly what you talk about, and I can explain.
I at least what to because I have to look it up.
I pause the movie to look it up.
I think I know why.
Yeah, we will explain.
We will explain.
We get to the cast list, but I watch it's going, okay, what is, who are these people?
Why does this one guy look like he's got, I don't know, it is, I followed what happened.
I'm not going to say you shouldn't go watch it, but yeah, definitely, I think you should
watch some other, I'm going to be honest, as much as I know, you guys love Transformers
the movie, but Transformers the movie is not self-contained, no, no, no, no, no, no,
it's not.
It is, but for whatever reason, I, and this made, maybe it's just because I run it into
Transformers stuff more often.
I feel like culturally, through culture, as most of us, you would actually know some
of this stuff, especially around the times we were reviewing those episodes, because we
did have the Bayformers-era stuff, and Transformers has been constantly, constantly on television,
almost for 30, 30 years now, 30, 40 years now, like there's, I don't, it seems like every
time I turn around, there's a new series of Transformers.
Oh, yeah.
Turtles.
Turtles is the same.
What?
I have watched very little Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but I know who I'll care, I
know who I'll make Turtles, but Ninja Turtles benefits from having a much smaller cast.
It does.
It does, but it's so true.
Because don't ask me who half the villains are, but, because I know very few, but this
I'm going into and going, okay, I don't, like the first, like for the most part, I followed
the scenes with Cobra at the beginning, but the next scene where they're at the BET and
I'm laughing my, my head off, it's like, isn't that the Black Entertainment Television
Network?
I made that joke in my notes as well.
Fun fact, according to Buzz Dixon, that was, that, and it predates it, I think, but yeah,
that yes it does.
That do Hickey was inspired by the work of Nicolas Tesla.
Nope.
I think it is.
I figured that.
But there, all these people are talking and going, I don't know you, I don't know you,
I don't know you.
Oh, you sound like that, that rhyming guy on Cheek Commandos, I don't know you.
It's like, I got one, I followed one thing, it's like, all I know is like, you're a bunch
of army men who are setting up this death laser, basically, death laser, I'm sorry, I'm
sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Wasn't that a freezer move?
That, that was a death beam, that was death beam, but I would definitely say as someone
who went into this blind, did not know who any of these characters were.
If you want to go watch GI Joe the movie and you want to get past the amazing opening,
you should watch the rest of the, some more of the other show, just to know who these
people are.
Because for the most part, I was clueless, clueless and I will admit the, the from the
first line of this, I was like out.
Oh, wow.
I may not be the highest rated rating person on this episode, perhaps some of you might
be wondering, why the heck did, in case you missed when I announced this, you know, because
I was, when the last time I was on the show, I was like, here's my Patreon pick.
Well, because I made you guys choose.
Yeah.
You pick this one without knowing it.
And I was like, why did you pick this one?
There are Kaiju in this movie.
Yes, there are.
There are a few minutes, but there are GI Joe here fighting Kaiju.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Snake Kaiju.
Bug Kaiju.
Furns.
Oh, the bug.
That poor man.
Oh my god.
Oh, the poor man.
That is one of, that is one, because this is a childhood favorite of mine.
I don't know how many times I've watched it, it's, it might be up in the 10 range.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
The one of the weirdest ways that I watched this is believe it or not.
They split this up into five parts to show during the week on TV, they used to do that
at the time.
With brand new host segments featuring Sergeant Slotter, of course, who would introduce, it
would introduce it and then do the, the preview for the next part.
And then the show would be, or it was just, they just put it in rotation with the reruns
of the show.
It was wild.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that was, so that was one way that I saw it.
And then I've seen it since then, so the uncut version, I own the blue ray, I will,
I will say the reason I think is the blue ray is actually in white screen.
Yeah.
I watched it once on 2B and it's the standard dev version that's letter box, which
is the version I watched, which is unfortunate because it looks great in white screen.
Imagine that I watched, I found the opening on YouTube, which is ripped from the blue
ray.
And it's like, why is this not the version that's on 2B?
Well, the weird thing is, is that the show factory set that I have, which miraculously
came to me undabbed, because shut factory's quality control is the worst, tell me about
it.
It included the DVD version and the DVD version for whatever reason, even though it has
all the same special features, but it has a different menu.
That's in full frame, but the blue ray is wide.
I can understand that situation.
Yes.
But to explain why I never watched GI Joe, it just never came up on TV when I was watching
it.
I was a little bit about this during the retro cartoon episode.
Yeah.
I was a little old for the, I was a little young for the show in an air because I wasn't
born clear, or I was just barely born.
By the time, by the time we got to the 90s, I don't think any GI Joe was on TV at the
time.
No, there was no real reason.
Yeah, there was.
And then GI Joe extreme in the mid 90s, that didn't last long.
That's in that weird air, where it's like, well, there was nothing new and that probably
was something more interesting on another channel when it was on television.
So yeah, I just never got around to it.
And I've still yet to even see the live action movies.
Oh, okay.
I didn't kind of, I wasn't having the nostalgia for GI Joe.
I wasn't exactly.
And then you see that it's safe, it's, it's, it's Michael Bay or in the style of Michael
Bay.
It's not Michael Bay.
It's in the style of the Bay of Bay formers.
No, it's not, not really the first one.
Well, it came across that way.
Yeah.
Rise of Cobra was a massive disappointment for me, despite the fact that they had some
brilliant casting in it.
They did weird stuff with the characters.
Right.
I agree.
Never on my radar.
Christopher Ecclister was Destro.
That should have been brilliant, but it was not.
And don't you mean it should have been fantastic?
Yes, fantastic.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Continue.
Yeah.
And then, and then the sequel retaliation, it's better, but they try to basically sweep
the first movie under the rug.
And they don't do it very well.
And then I felt like they missed out completely again with their casting because they cast
Dwayne the Rock Johnson as roadblock, who speak, that's the guy who speaks in rhyme.
And the rock would do that when he was a professional wrestler sometimes.
He would speak in rhyme.
I'm like, this is perfect casting.
He does it for one.
He does it in one scene.
It never does it again.
Yeah.
And when he did it, he was quoting song lyrics, I was like, talk about wasting, wasting what
you have right there.
What?
It's just.
Yeah.
It disappointed me.
Yeah.
So I will say this.
And maybe I'll sponsor this sometime.
The best GI Joe anything I've ever seen is GI Joe Resolute, which was a web series of
like three minute episodes that got edited together into a complete movie.
Ah.
Ah.
Absolutely.
Fantastic.
Got you.
Jacob, what are your spoiler free thoughts?
All right.
So, spoiler free thoughts for GI Joe, the movie.
I grew up a GI Joe fan, yo, Joe, I watched this all the time with transformers with
thunder cats.
Oh, that was, that was my childhood, like every, every weekday weekend, what have you
watched this?
I remember watching this as a very young child.
I think we rented this because my big brother was having eye surgery and we rented that
along with he managed he risk to go to the sword on the same night.
I think.
And we reviewed that too.
We have.
I thoroughly, I feel like I enjoyed this movie when I was a kid because I think we watched
it twice as a kid with children and I enjoyed it.
I thought it was a little bit odd and I was like, okay, this is cool.
It's GI Joe.
Okay, this is awesome.
You have greatest opening ever for an animated movie ever.
And then I watched it for this review and again, great opening, be like I knew most of
the characters.
I can remember most of them.
And then you start getting into the story where two plot lines, which probably shouldn't
work together really don't work that well.
I was, I watched it and I was like slightly disappointed, just be honest.
I was very.
I was slightly disappointed without how, how executed it was because I understand me like
they had two obligations they had to do with co-bro law and all this other stuff had to
make it make sense.
Yeah.
Well, and let me tell you a buzz, buzz Dixon gets into that whole thing and basically the
reason why this movie is the way it is is you've heard of Bandai mandates.
He's where has bro Mandate and what buzz Dixon in the commentary, explain what their original
idea was going to be and I'm like, yeah, should have fought him because it sounds better
than this.
I, I, spoiler warning, I don't think this is as good as Transformers the movie.
No, I don't think it holds up quite quite as well.
And the other thing they could have a different decisions were made.
Yeah.
It's a different decision.
It's a good lord.
It's a good lord.
They made it.
They made it weird.
Yeah.
I will say this Drew.
I will say this for you Drew, this movie is not an entirely accurate representation of
the show.
No, it's not.
It is, which is weird because the, you could say the same thing about Transformers, about
Transformers the movie, but it still feels of the show even though they do a massive time
jump and everything.
But this feels very, this actually does feel different than the show because the show
would get fantastical, get very pulpy, and science fiction all that, but not nearly this
level of greed, agreed, agreed, agreed, and then the weird thing was when the dikes
show started, other than the opening five-parter, they went, they did very comparatively, very
mundane stories after that, much more down the earth.
And that is one of many reasons why the dikes series is not as well liked and the reception
to this movie for what I've been able to gather in the GI Joe fandom is very mixed, which
is weird.
Yeah, I imagine.
Which is, and I don't think that's really shifted all that much, which is interesting
because the Transformers movie used to be hated by the fandom, and now it's beloved.
Yeah, it's highly beloved.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The GI Joe movie did not experience that.
Well, the thing was, like after the, you know, spoiler for a 40-year-old movie now that
they killed off Optimus Prime in the movie, in which that shattered so many children's
and kids in the nightmares for that.
And so when Hasbro has learned about this is, oh no, we have to do some changes and we
get that later.
But at the same time.
That's going to come up later too.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I was going to say, there's a timeline for all of this.
I have, I have a suspicion that some of our likes and dislikes are going to be the
same.
Possibly.
That's why I always have backups just in case, but before we move on, hey, Jimmy, you got
any opinions on this?
Why am I not surprised that you would claim to have been a member of GI Joe, of course
you were.
I mean, at least he wasn't in Cobra.
Yeah, at least he wasn't in Cobra.
What was your call sign out of curiosity?
Private.
Private.
Widget.
And slaughter must have had a heyday with you anyway.
That's unfortunate.
The theory.
I guess a little bit good names were taken, I guess.
So despite the fact that you have definitely made your spoiler free thoughts known throughout
our spoiler free thoughts.
I know.
I basically, I basically said all of them.
You know, because that kind of, you did step over you guys, but you did a little bit.
So I broke, I broke a protocol, send me to the slaughterhouse right now.
There have to be a commercial, send me to the slaughterhouse.
So I'll, I'll, you know, I'll be back in, I don't know, a couple of weeks probably.
Yeah.
So let, let me ask you a question, Nate.
There's a sound I haven't heard in a while.
That's true.
So I was going to ask you ever since you've cut, you've already, you know, kind of expanded
upon it.
Be like, did you watch the I Joe as a kid?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
That's good.
Because it was what, if you listened to the retro cartoons episode that I did with Drew,
was it ever in the hair and how he was or is that just like a one on three last last
year when I had a, Jacob had some emergency hospital stuff to take care of.
Yeah.
I don't remember if that was when your dad was having the issues or that's when you
were, you were having the, I was having, I was having the kidney issues.
Yeah.
That's right.
Oh, that's right.
The, the infamous kid, the infamous kidney problems.
Anyway, I was trying to make sure we had something going on.
And I said in that episode that when I was a child, a, a GI Joe was one of my top three.
Okay.
I was curious.
Yeah.
It was that.
Yeah.
It was that plus transformers, plus thunder cats, those were, you know, those were the
three that little Nate, like, enjoyed the most.
Yeah.
He man.
Didn't get into he man.
Oh, okay.
I got, I got into he man.
I didn't really get into a, she was much because they're going to, it was, you know, more
of a girl show.
But fair, fair.
This wasn't my thing except for the secret of the sword.
Love that.
That was cool.
I don't care.
She's easy as all.
I mean, that was basically, let's introduce she, so we can make a, make a, I, I spent
off show.
Exactly.
I cannot, I mean, honestly, I cannot wait until they finally do the third part for the
he man revelation part three, where they put, they turn out a, um, destra, mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean, like, okay, come on.
Let's go.
Let's go because we know they've got the cast.
They know they recorded everything.
So let's just get done.
Anyway.
Yes.
Why don't we go ahead and jump into the spoiler filled section of this review?
Yes.
The following is a spoiler filled review for the film.
GI Joe.
Listener discretion is advised.
GI Joe, a real American hero, the movie was directed by Don Jarwetch, who also directed
media episodes of the Spider-Man 1981 television series.
Mm-hmm.
It was written by Don Friedman, Buzz Dixon and Roger Slyther.
Oh, so they actually include all the, the proper.
So IMDB had it separated by the different things.
I've just combined them all into one because it makes sense here like I said, listening
to the commentary buzz, Dixon said like basically wrote the final draft of the script and
it's very different than what Friedman had.
Yeah.
It is based on the original, the GI Joe action figure series of toys originally created
by Stan Weston and the GI Joe real American hero television series developed by Ron Friedman
Steve Gerber and Buzz Dixon.
Yeah, Steve Gerber of comic book fame, creator of Howard the Duck.
That is true.
Oh my gosh.
That actually explains some stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you did not mention that, you know, GI Joe goes farther back than that, but getting
to that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did because technically I started with the GI Joe action figures that were created by
Stan Weston.
But if you're talking about the other term, we'll get into that when we get to a certain
cast.
Got it.
That's right.
Moving on.
Getting into the cast, Lieutenant Falcon was played by Don Johnson.
Yeah.
So this is, and he was trying to, he was, he played Detective James Crockett on the television
series Miami Vice.
Oh, and he would, I remember, I didn't see Miami Vice.
I remember he had a show in the 90s that I caught for a while, but he was also a cop.
I can't remember what it's called.
Nash Bridges.
That's where it is.
Yeah.
But this is a like Transformers the movie.
They, they were breaking the mold here and we're getting actual celebrities to voice
the character.
Indeed.
Indeed.
Cooper Commander, a river and gun hoe were voiced by Chris Lada, who's apparently also
goes on, goes by Christopher Collins on IMDB.
And he was star scream on Transformers.
That's what's rising at all.
It's not.
It's the same voice.
Yeah.
It's the same voice.
He was actually a standup comedian as well.
Really?
I could say that.
Yeah.
Sir Pentor, Sir Pentor was voiced by Dick Gautier and he was hot rodded Rodinus Prime
in the Transformers.
In the show.
Not the show.
In the show.
In the show.
Not the movie, but the show.
Yes.
Yeah.
Cause like I said, these were made by the same people.
So there's a lot across the world.
A lot across the world.
Between the cast and the writers and everything.
Go on animation studio.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Galobulous was played by Burgess Meredith.
Oh, yeah.
That's right.
Who was Amar and Clash of the Titans, Mickey and Rocky and the penguin in Batman 1966.
And that was like, oh, this will hopefully make Drew happy.
Maybe.
I mean, he was from an acting point of view, one of the brighter spots of this film.
I mean, he's, I looked him up really quick and he's considered to be one of the most
accomplished actors of the 20th century, but I propose to this.
He was also, he also played the character of Ernie Pyle in the movie, the story of G.I.
Joe from the 1940s about world that took place about the actual soldier is a duck.
Oh, a doctor drama basically about soldiers in World War II.
Oh, I didn't know this.
That is where the turn, well, G.I.
Joe comes from.
Yeah.
The term, the slang term used for soldiers because it would be general issue, Joe.
And that was made popular outside of the military by that film.
Yeah.
Well, I also know I was going to bring up, I was at an Army surplus store in my hometown.
And I found these instructional manuals, World War II era that were given to soldiers.
And there was this soldier character who was supposed to, you know, because they had
these little illustrations and it was explaining how, you know, you do certain things when you're
in the Army or whatever.
Yeah.
And the character's name in those manuals and it said it on the current cover was G.I.
Joe.
Yeah.
Fun.
Fun fact for that.
And Burgess Meredith actually was in a bunch of the G.I. training videos back during World
War II.
Sue, so.
And fun.
And also fun fact, most of those manuals and pamphlets were drawn by Disney artists.
Yeah.
So there you go.
There's like, there's all this connected.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of them.
Jinks was voiced by Shuko Akune and in the, this is not the 90s ER show.
This was a, an 80s one.
Oh, okay.
She played Maria Armardo.
Hmm.
Uh, Duke, Zammoth, lift ticket and blowtorch were voiced by Michael Bell.
And he was prowl in the Transformers.
Nice.
I met him.
I can mention really sergeant slaughter was played by sergeant slaughter and he was sergeant
slaughter in the N.W.W.F.
Yes.
And that's all he, that's his entire career right there in one line.
Okay.
This was the line that confused me when I saw it.
All right.
Here's my personal interpretation.
By the way.
His, his, his Bob Remus, by the way.
Yeah.
And Buzdix and told the whole story about where the wrestling is.
I was just slaughtered.
The wrestling character came from.
It's really interesting.
But here's my personal interpretation of this.
I think what they're saying is that this is sergeant slaughter.
The wrestler playing sergeant slaughter.
The GI Joe character because they are not exactly the same.
No, that's true.
So that's why it's that sergeant slaughter as himself.
Because the, the GI Joe sergeant slaughter is a little different.
Yes.
A little bit different enough.
But admittedly, admittedly, though, when I was watching those opening credits, I'm seeing,
you know, Don Johnson is Lieutenant Falcon and Burgess Meredith as, as a globulous.
Go obvious.
And then sergeant slaughter.
And I go, wait, what?
Yeah.
Because, and I think it might also be a contract, a contract thing because sergeant slaughter
had to quit WWF at the time.
Yes.
To be on the show.
He was contacted by the, by the people making a show because his character showed up in season two.
Yeah.
So they contacted him and said, Hey, we want to make a toy out of your wrestling persona
and have you on the cartoon.
He wanted to jump at it immediately.
He's like, I want to do this.
Right.
But WWE wouldn't let him do it unless you can't do that while you're wrestling.
So he quit wrestling while he was on the show.
So he could be in the toy line and be on the cartoon because, and it was all because
WWE had licensed their toys to a different company other than Hasbro.
Right.
But that does bring up an interesting question.
He was to this.
And does bring up an interesting question because I know that Dwayne Johnson cannot be credited
as the rock unless WWE signs off on it.
Yes.
He has to be credited as Dwayne Johnson.
So how did he get away with still being sergeant slaughter?
How much than Hasbro A.
That I don't know.
I don't know the legalities of all that.
But that's I think that might have been a contributor to it.
But I also think as they're making it.
It's like the wrestler and the GI Joe character are not exactly the same.
Right.
They're very similar, but they are not the same.
Right.
Beachhead was played by Bill Callaway.
And the thing he is on the most is a single character was on the Smurfs as Clumsy Smurf.
Okay.
All righty.
I couldn't pass that one up.
General Hawk was played by Ed Gilbert.
And on Tattoo Teenage Daily and Fighters from Beverly Hills.
He played Emperor Gorganis.
Oh my gosh.
I keep hearing about that.
It was the main villain in the history of Tocosatsu.
Yes he was.
And that's probably the only time I'll get away with talking about Tattoo Teenage Daily and Fighters from Beverly Hills.
And don't we get to that one episode of Dragon Balls of your bridge?
Oh my gosh.
Yes.
It's all you have heard of that.
Oh yeah.
Really go on.
People.
People.
You do not understand.
It's the worst one.
It's the worst Power Rangers class.
Out of all of the attempts to cash in on Power Rangers.
It's the very worst one.
Which is saying something.
It was completely American produced.
And they clearly had no idea how to make Tocosatsu.
No.
Clearly.
Anyway.
It even occurred to even think about it.
And the insane thing is I saw the DVD set for that show.
Jump from dirt cheap to one kidney.
Almost overnight.
So they should wish you bought it when it was dirt cheap.
So here's the question.
I thought it was overpriced when it was dirt cheap.
But now you could have had a pretty penny.
That is true.
That is true.
So here's the question.
Me like, would you rather have that?
Or a mask writer?
Mask writer?
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
You know, Lengenstein in Teenage Dude Ninja Turtles.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
How did I not pick up on that?
Oh my god.
Yeah, you're not kidding.
Oh my gosh.
In my parents, I had to look up, she was.
Okay.
I remember this person who looks like they escaped Alvin in the chipmunks.
So you're telling me...
You're telling me this woman had such rage.
You could play the mousey little office girl and a reptilian fanfatal.
Yes.
Wow. Law was played by Ron Ortiz. And this is his only credit. Poor guy because it's
not very obvious they were setting up for these characters to continue. And it didn't
until another show and they didn't and I bet you they didn't use his casers.
Yeah. And spoiler warning. Oh, I think this guy never got another acting role in his life.
Well, I'm just think it's like I don't think any of the characters introduced in this movie
ever came back. And irony of ironies as we'll get into a certain character who was supposed to die
who doesn't die. Yes. Even when they even when deep did it's revival and we may ostensibly
made seasons three and four. He's hardly in it. That is true. So true. It is so weird.
It is so weird. I agree. Good to you. Dr. Mindbender was played by Brian Cummings.
And do you remember all those 90s Disney trailers? Oh my gosh. The boys say coming soon on Disney DVD.
I don't know. I guess that's that's the guy. That's that guy. That's Brian Cummings.
Brian Cummings. Wow. Is he related to Jim? I don't think so. Okay.
The Baroness was played by Morgan Lofty. And she was Aunt May in the 1981 Spider-Man cartoon.
Oh, wow. Spider-Man is amazing. That's a second person. No, there's a reason for that.
Oh, okay. No, no, not in it. The director worked on it. Yeah. That's okay.
Zandar, Nemesis and Forcer and a scientist was played by Peter Cullen.
Of course, he was often his prime and the transformers.
The voice of one of the boys. King Kong in 1976 is King Kong and he was uncredited.
I had to get that in there before you said it. And he was the predator.
So there you go. There you go. He was basically one of the voices of my childhood.
Fair. So I do have to say, like, you did miss one of the characters. As a child, I love to that.
Scarlet. I don't remember Scarlet in this. Scarlet's in it.
Oh, Scarlet's in it. She doesn't talk. She says one of the blank and you blank in your
miss her. Yeah, she's barely in it. Like, oh my gosh, what are you doing?
Because I mean, honestly, I had a crush on Scarlet when I was a kid, like a little kid. Okay.
I don't remember Scarlet as much as I do, Lady J for some odd reason in the show.
Okay, I know you're talking to another that I've got. Yeah, pick your head with a crossbow.
And yeah, she barely has a role in this. Yes.
Yeah, like major blood. One of the cobras is only in the opening. Yeah, they just disappear.
Completely understandable. I was going to be nice and bring it up, but I can't find it fast enough.
No worries, no worries, no worries. Kingdom Hearts connections. Yes.
How many we got? Yeah, Nate.
At this large of a cast, albeit it's like 15 years before Kingdom Hearts, even started.
That didn't matter. But continue. Yeah, maybe three.
Jake five. Five. Okay. Anyone in the chat? Artsy says three.
The answer is one, two, five, thirty, sir. Take it. Eat it, Roy.
The answer is four. Four. Four. That was not planned.
And he, the fun part of this, I haven't mentioned any other names yet.
Oh, well, it's a produs because the one who was pretty well get it.
That's right.
That's what I asked.
Frank Walker, who was Torch and Wild Bill in this.
Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, he would have used in Kingdom Hearts. That's at least one.
Abu and experiment, Abu and experiment two to one sparking in Kingdom Hearts.
Uh-huh. That's because half of this man's career is voicing animals.
But the fact that he's only in two or less two roles in all of Kingdom Hearts is crazy to make.
Rob Poulson. Surprise, surprise.
Well, snow job in this. And he is like two lines.
He was Jacques and the Grand Duke in Kingdom Hearts and Grey Fox in Super Smash Brothers Ultimate.
Uh-huh.
Because Smash Brothers Ultimate is a Kingdom Hearts game.
Cory Burton, who was Tomax in this in Kingdom Hearts, he played,
Captain Hook, the White Rabbit, Dorknob, Flossam, Jetson, Dizz,
Dance from the Wisedale, Jinson, Master Control Program, Santa Claus,
Sark, Shen, you, the Pendler, and the Magic Mirror.
So half the cast got it.
No, that's not even half the cast. That's maybe a that's maybe a 30 second.
He just he picked up a lot of roles at the uh the celebrity's left when they decided not to return.
Right.
But Christopher Lee, his two roles.
Good to you.
Lastly, Greg Berger, who was motor Viper in this,
have no idea who that was.
He is E or in Kingdom Hearts.
Uh-huh.
And that brings me to the bottom.
You know, who else he was?
Who else?
Who?
Me Grimlock.
Yes, he was Grimlock.
Uh-huh.
Grimlock.
And I have met him too.
And that brings me to the end of the Kingdom Hearts connections.
Jacob, what do we got in info and stuff?
All right.
So info and stuff.
IMDB has a 5.7 out of 10 right tomatoes.
This is a 33 at and its audience score is 50.
Wow.
Uh, you can you can rinse it on Amazon via for 3 to 9.
I'm physical media.
If you can buy it for 1899, it's a 4K digital Blu-ray.
And it was on prime.
Wait, let me ask you this.
Before you go.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
on the Amazon one.
Is that the version you watched?
No.
You watched the two be like I did.
Maybe.
So you don't know if the Amazon one on Amazon
was widescreener or a full screener on Amazon.
This is the information I looked up.
So you, okay, that's why I was in,
it was a widescreen though.
Are you talking about streaming or the blue ray?
I'm talking about purchasing,
I thought you were talking about the digital version.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, physical media, physical media.
I was in a blue ray, it's 4K, I don't Amazon.
Okay, all right.
So production was paramount pictures,
sky, sky, glass, entertainment,
Hasbro studios.
Deadly.
Hang on.
It's the rise of Cobra.
It might be.
Cobra!
Because paramount was not a bug or this.
This is have a 4K, there is no 4K.
You're lucky, there's a 1080p.
You're welcome.
I'm sorry.
Thank you.
You know what?
That was the best one you've ever done
because the numbers that you had were reasonable.
They were.
They were.
Yes.
Well, for me, it took until you said paramount pictures
and I went, now wait a minute.
This never went to theaters.
No, it didn't.
Actually, much later, much later, much later.
I was saying, I was like, you don't make me well,
actually, for you on this anyway.
That's my line.
It went later because of Fathom events.
Yeah, I wish I would have seen that.
That would have been I kind of wish I had too.
Because I think this would have been a weird,
but it would have been worth it for the first five minutes
in a theater.
Oh, yeah, you're not.
Oh, he's anyway.
Anyways, goes to the real info and stuff.
Info 7 is a 7, 10 right tomatoes.
There's a 43 out of 43 in the audience scores, 66.
You can watch it for free on tubing.
You can buy the physical media for 2399.
That's a blu-ray on Amazon Prime.
Blu-ray DVD combo.
Yes, but that seems pricey.
You get two discs.
Yeah, fair.
And the DVD has DVD-round features.
You can read the script.
You can download the script from the DVD and read it.
Assuming you have a DVD-ROM drive on your computer.
Which is this day and age.
This one is still.
Yes.
All right, production was Hasbro,
Sunbow Entertainment, Marvel Productions,
Toei Animation, distribution for its home video release.
That's many, many years later, was celebrity home entertainment.
Its runtime was a whole 93 minutes.
It was rated G.
Originally it was rated G.
No freaking way.
Cheese.
Archie, clap that.
Oh, my word.
Somebody was not expecting it was not G.
I said, there's no way this kind of G rating.
No way.
They were even told to go for a PG rating.
And then we're going to be in that thing.
And then weirdly enough, they got squeamish about some things.
According to Google, it was not rated.
You say.
Because I've done, because it probably never got sent to.
It was the double A or this one.
Never got a rating.
So never got a rating.
So there's no way it was G.
Well, I think that was left over.
My last one is that I just forgot to do it.
I don't think that was G either.
Fantasia?
Oh, Fantasia might have been G.
Yeah, Fantasia was G.
Fantasia's 2000 was G.
OK, yeah, yeah.
Any ways now I have my hearing again.
I, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Doesn't have a rating.
It's not G.
It was really so you can't read it.
You can't rent a ad blockbuster.
No, unless you're an adult.
No, but yes, yes.
Then it stuck kids before.
Oh, my gosh, bloodbusters missed the release date was April 20th, 1987.
Box office didn't have one.
Oh, she can't have them.
Yeah, let's you put them events home entertainment, rhino entertainment, rhino, rhino
entertainment first release, first release the film on DVD in 2000 in June 20th
that year.
In 5.1 mass remaster remix, rhino, rhino scopic sound, which contain bonus features,
shell factor release the film, a remastered special edition DVD Blu-ray on July 27th,
2010, featuring audio commentary as anything has spoken up before.
Story consultant and what have you by Buzz Dixon and principal copy of the original script
like they said.
So that's all I have for an info and stuff.
Yeah, and they also the special features on the Blu-ray and DVD also included like some
of the PSAs and some others.
I think the trail was a trail.
I could be wrong in that, but they had a few other special features that were more connected
to the show.
Oh, okay.
That's fair.
Getting into the summary.
While Cobra Commander and Serpentor blame each other for each other stewardship of Cobra
at the root cause of their organization's failures, Pythonna, a woman from the secret
civilization Cobra Law infiltrates the terror drone.
While there she reveals Serpentor that Cobra Law was responsible for inspiring Dr. Mindbender
to create him through dream manipulation.
Her urging Serpentor plans to capture GI Joe's latest weapon, the broadcast energy transmitter
or BET.
Cobra assaults the Joe's as they test the BET and the MLA's.
The Joe's use the BET to activate their automated weapon systems.
Serpentor has captured and Cobra Commander orders a retreat.
Cobra Commander leads his troops into Cobra Law, the hidden underground city that serves
as their headquarters.
As the Joe's celebrate their victory, a new group of rookie Joe's are brought onto the
team.
The two Cobra's include the allegedly clumsy female ninja jinx, military police officer
law and his dog order, former basketball player, Big Lob, EOD specialist, Tom Lrat and undercover
officer chuckles and dukes reckless half brother, Lieutenant Falcon, who is a green beret.
And Cobra mentioned what their name is.
They're the raw hides.
How was this guy from what was he special forces or what?
Was he a green beret being this much of a turd?
Good question.
I know why he's not a green beret anymore.
That is true.
Nothing to do with joining GI Joe.
Go ahead.
In Cobra Law, seven of the Joe's are in ambushed and detained within the love crafty and
living environments.
Including Scarlett.
The Cobra soldiers are meant by the civilization's leaders, Golobilus, who was Pai Fana and his
other and his other henchmen, Nenesis and Forster, the arrest Cobra commander.
While there, Cobra learns about their history.
Forty thousand years ago, Cobra Law was a prehistoric civilization that ruled Earth.
However, the Ice Age, the evolution of humans and their development of scientific technology,
resulted in Cobra Law's survivors being forced into caverns within the Himalayas.
Cobra Law rebuilt their society in secret as centuries passed.
Golobilus vowed to destroy humanity so that people could reclaim the Earth.
He eventually discovered a nobleman who was working on biological weapons.
The nobleman later became Cobra Commander, charged conquering the world for Cobra Law.
However, Cobra left out the part about how he scarred himself with his own experiments.
Exactly.
However, Cobra commanders repeated failures caused Golobilus to use his psychic motivator
on Dr. Mindbender to create serpentor.
Meanwhile, it disguises Zorana, uses Falcon to infiltrate serpentor's holding cell.
Falcon is put on guard duty by his older half-brother Duke.
As they punishment for skipping the training earlier, yeah, that's why he was on that,
not because he brought in Zorana to the base.
He didn't know it was Zorani.
He just thought it was a cute blonde.
That's weird.
Still, it should not have been allowed anywhere near that base.
Obviously, it shouldn't have been allowed, but he did not know that it was an enemy agent,
but that's why.
That's why he was on that, not because he brought in Zorana to the base.
He didn't know it was Zorani.
He just thought it was a cute blonde.
That's weird.
That's why he was on that guard duty.
That's why he was on that guard duty.
Or that's why he had nothing to do with him skipping training.
It was all about that.
Oh, yeah?
And then everything he said, oh, yeah, there's no way they'd be able to do it unless they do X, Y, Z,
as we watched them do exactly that.
Exactly, like, Agent.
Falcon abandons his posts to Flirtwood Jax while the serpentor is kind of an innocent
enforcer, free serpentor, injuring Alpine, bazooka, and gun hoe in the process.
General Hawk lectures Falcon on their election of duty, and confines him to his quarters
into a core marshal.
In Cobra Law, Cobra Commander is tried, and Galobulus reveals his plans to launch spore
pods filled with mutated spores into space and use the BET to hatch them, thus doing humanity.
He punishes Cobra Commander for his repeated failures, following his trialbex posing him
to the spores, which transform Cobra Commander into a giant snake.
He flees and makes his way into the camp with growth block.
Convince by Duke to spare Falcon from harsh postments, General Hawk reassigns Falcon to
the slaughterhouse, where he is to be retained, Bertrain, by sergeant slaughter, and his
renegades, consisting of ex-viper, Mercer, former basketball player Red Dog, and former
Acrobat, Taurus.
On a weaponless recon mission in the Teradrome, the five Earth Cobra's plans and that the
Baroness has discovered the location of the BET.
As Falcon and the others destroy the Teradrome, Cobra launches an assault on the Joes.
The Joes launch a counterattack on Cobra, but the BET is stolen.
Serpentor attempts to kill Falcon, but Duke intervenes and falls into a coma.
Falcon, the renegades, and the crew.
In the Himalayas to stop Cobra Law, the GI Joe team has led to Cobra Law's layer by
Cobra Commander.
The new recruits prove themselves valuable soldiers as the Joes rescue their captured teammates.
Falcon, Jakes, and Sergeant Slotter confront Glomulus, Pythana, and Serpentor.
The ensuing fight culminates in Jakes and Slotter sending Pythana and Nemesis and Forcer,
fallen to their apparent demise.
Finally Falcon sends Serpentor out of Cobra Law, and reconfigures the BET to incinerate
the Spore Pods in space, and destroying Cobra Law as Globulus escapes.
Immediately following the battle, the structuring received news that Duke has come out of his
Cobra head is recovering.
Did I mention this movie is nuts?
You're not kidding.
Getting into the trivia.
This movie's opening sequence with the GI Joe soldiers saving the Statue of Liberty from
the Cobra invaders was originally intended to be the climax in an earlier drafts.
Oh, that is contradicted by Buzz Dixon.
And Buzz Dixon said that this opening was not in the script at all.
It was added because the animators wanted an action opening.
Fear.
Well, the reason why I'm not saying to do with the rest of the movie, it has nothing to
do with it.
And according to the trivia I got, it was an earlier drafts.
But anyway, that must be a, that must be some early trivia.
Yeah.
The director and storyboard artists aside to salvage it and turn it into the film's opening
so newcomers can understand the premise of the series and to just fight Serpentor shouting
in his underlings in the following scene as in the following drafts of the script open
on Cobra Island and Serpentor shouting at them for a noticeable reason.
But yeah, if I could also see them adding this at the last minute, because this seems
to be where most of the budget went, yes, please lie it's off.
When Sergeant Slotter uses the term ditty bag to illustrate Lieutenant Falcon's past or
fail, ditty spelled D-I-T-Y is military jargon for it, do it yourself.
When a soldier outprocesses from an installation for discharge or another assignment.
I did not know that.
Wow.
Buzz Dixon was a story consultant on the show.
Occasionally, we would write some of the episodes.
He also worked on the DEEK show and part of the reason why he was brought on is because
he was in the army for six years.
That makes sense.
Oh, he understands how the military works, which is why as crazy as G.I. Joe would get where
it's like an animated act 80s action movie for children.
There's a ring of truth to it because they actually talk to people who knew he was
their military consultant and Larry Hama, who created the comic books, was also a veteran.
So that's how he was able to bring some, a semblance, a very similar to, he was the
big literary words.
The movie was being produced by the same company and at the same time as the Transformers
the movie 1986.
This has been agreed that both movies would suffer the loss of their lead heroes, Optimus
Prime, and Duke.
Production began on G.I. Joe first and was expected to be released first during the production
of the two movies G.I. Joe got held up while Transformers finished production.
Released states were changed and Transformers got a theatrical release in 1986.
Optimus Prime's death sparked some controversy and caused the writers to change Duke's death
to a coma.
Oh my god.
G.I. Joe never got to the theaters and was released to video instead.
Had G.I. Joe been released first, there's a good chance Optimus Prime might have survived
that movie.
However, according to story consultant Buzz Dickson, if you watch the Duke goes into a coma
sequence and I do agree with this, with a volume turned down, it's obvious that Duke actually
died at the end of the scene.
And in his commentary, when we got to that part, he proceeded to quote a long passage from the
the famous Monty Python dead parrot sketch replacing the parrot with Duke, it was gold.
Also, he had, I'm sure you'll get to, you know, some trivia about the name Cobra Law,
but he had actually the next one.
Okay, get to that because he had a funny nickname for Cobra Law in the commentary.
The name Cobra Law was not intended to be in the movie.
The writers planned to replace this name when they came up with a better name,
the Hasbro fell in love with it.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, it was a placeholder name.
Hasbro inspired by Shangra La from yeah, lost horizon, the novel.
And they weren't going to, it was like, oh, it's just a placeholder name.
But for some odd reason Hasbro loved it.
So in the commentary, Buzz Dickson said, well, I probably should have used a different name
that they wouldn't have liked.
And the thing is, is he would catch himself not doing it.
So he would correct himself.
And then sometimes he would remember to do it.
So throughout the commentary, he referred to,
he referred to Cobra Law as Granny's body house.
This is entirely why, whenever you're working on a creative project for somebody else
who does not have a creative bone in their body, never give them a good name,
a half decent name, give them something that is absolute garbage that no one will like,
or at least try to go up with a better name because they might use it.
That is true. Yeah.
Buzz Dickson also said, you'll hear bits of it.
I don't know if this is in your trivia, is there anything in there about the trills?
The trills sounds.
No, okay.
You mean the sounds sounded like a half-gainny pair of terrorists?
Yes, they're minions.
He wanted them to sound like really high-pitched trill noises.
He compared it to the, he said in Lawrence of Arabia,
there are Arab women who would make noises like that.
And he said, we never could get them to quite do it.
And then they were supposed that infamous battle cry was supposed to be the trills sound,
but they said the problem was Mr. Gaudier.
His voice was way too deep to do it properly.
So it came out like it did.
Yeah.
Galobulus, Nemesis Inforcer.
Okay. Galobulus is a stupid, incredibly 80s name.
I just want to say that.
It is.
But him, Nemesis Inforcer and a royal guard were part of a three pack of action figures released in 1987.
Python did not receive an action figure until the GI Joe Collector's Club released one in 2016.
Not surprising.
Yeah, weird.
Also, that's because girls toys, toys with girls and them don't sell.
Supposedly.
Supposedly.
Supposedly.
Also Galobulus.
I will met as stupid and very 80s is that name sounds.
According to Buzz Dixon, the name would have made a ton more sense if they had used the original
character design that they had there where he was going to be there as he put it very corculate.
Sounds like he would have been probably been inspired by Baron Harcone.
Yeah.
Suddenly what I was thinking of was that's Baron Harcone from Dune.
Yeah, where he was, so he was going to be this really fat dude who's floating around on his
little throne thing and then with shock everybody at the end, at the end of the movie where he's
suddenly moving around really fast.
It just occurred to me that that's probably the job of the hut was based on.
Baron Harcone.
Yeah, probably.
Probably.
So just cross my mind, sorry.
Yeah, I'm just saying like when I heard this like that makes way more sense that I think I would
have been a little more willing to accept that name.
Yeah.
Okay, nice.
I give Burgess Meredith credit.
He really sells that character.
He does.
Burgess Meredith always goes 110% no matter how stupid the role is.
That is true.
Yeah, but like about I'm like that name.
Like I can work with the other names, but globular something like come on.
That sounds like something you lob that's gross and slimy.
It's like something a little brother throws in his sister, you know.
After Duke yells at him, Falcon tells him he's an officer and he's pulling rank,
which references the fact that Falcon technically outranks Duke since he's a lieutenant and Duke
is a first sergeant.
How?
The only reason Duke can order Falcon around is because he's officially the second command of G.I. Joe.
That is true.
But how?
How is this?
That my god.
How is this Goober?
Why have they not promoted Duke yet?
I have no idea.
No, how did Falcon, who apparently is an impassal,
he like got the rank of that and actually outranks his brother?
How?
I don't know.
By the way,
well, Falcon is an officer and Duke is a infantryman.
I'm aware.
But how?
Yeah, anyway,
people and all things, but anyway,
yeah, is there anything in your trivia about the character designs for the renegades?
No.
Okay.
I'll throw this in there really quick.
They modeled the renegades appropriately after professional wrestlers.
That makes sense.
That makes sense, yeah.
Yeah.
So in case you're wondering, so one of them, oh, I can't remember all of them.
The bold guy was modeled after the Iron Sheik.
The a Mercer, the ex-Cobra guy was not a wrestler,
but he was modeled after Dove Lugrid.
Oh, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
That makes a total sense.
Yeah, you could definitely tell once you know that.
And then let me double check my nose.
Buzz Dixon mentioned this.
The other guy was modeled after Jimmy Supaflass.
Nookah.
But they're like,
you know, Sergeant Slotter's a professional wrestler,
or a model of the other guys after a professional wrestler.
That makes sense.
It does.
Definitely wins the team.
Despite being one of the new GI Joe's in his file card describing him as a smooth talking CIA
undercover operatives.
Check it.
Checkles never says a single word in this movie.
But I think it's the joke.
But I can tell you right now,
and this movie is probably one of the biggest testaments to this.
The comics by Larry Hama, they're being published by Marvel at the time.
Go in very different directions than the cartoon.
They always do the Transformers did.
But GI Joe is even more drastic as I'm sure,
I probably will bring up when we get to our discussion proper.
Yes.
And like all this Cobra Law nonsense, not in the comics.
And the fact I think I think I read that the Cobra Law characters,
I think Larry Hama snuck some sort of a reference to these characters just to make fun of them.
Mm-hmm.
That's surprising.
If I remember right?
And yeah, like everything that this movie does is incredibly different,
you know, and the stuff that they did a lot of the stuff they didn't season two,
especially with Serpentor.
It's Serpentor is in the comics, but he's different than he is in the show.
So I've only got two more bits of trivia left.
Let me check my notes.
Later on during a Deeks 10 year on the animated series,
Falcon continues his role as the team screw up.
He becomes addicted to drugs, peddled by one of GI Joe's enemies,
the headman, and has to go through rehab.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Oh my gosh.
It makes sense they would do that.
It totally makes sense they wouldn't do it in the 80s.
Lastly, this is the last animated film produced by Marvel Productions,
which is now called Marvel Animation,
until Ultimate Avengers the Movie in 2006.
Which we have reviewed.
Yes.
Yeah.
All right, I'll throw a few more that I got from the commentary for you guys.
So there were actually two scenes in this movie
that Buzz Dixon said, for whatever reason,
once they got to storyboarding it, people got squeamish and they had them cut it.
Or at least one was when they storyboard.
I think the other one they had to edit.
The scene when Zirana leaves and then takes off her disguise.
She was supposed to be naked.
She was supposed to be topless and see her from behind because they were
because Hasbro told them go for a PG rating.
So they did that, but then they got squeamish.
So they had to put in a magic swimsuit that appears out of nowhere.
Yes, because that makes perfect sense when you're changing clothes.
Yes.
And you can tell because they had to edit around it
when Falcon is fighting Galobulus.
And he grabs that little scepter thing that he has,
stabs him in the eye in that artificial eye,
but they had to edit around it.
Yeah, that makes sense.
They got squeamish for those.
But not for all the other disturbing things that are in this movie.
Right. I don't understand that.
And let's see, let's see.
Dixon said that the idea that the idea in this
when Roblox gets blinded and has to cart Cobra Commander around.
That was inspired by a screenplay idea he had that was inspired by a movie called The Defiant
Ones that was about a white bigot who had to carry a crippled black man
away from a forest fire.
So they were completely dependent on each other.
He never got the screenplay written, but he threw that idea into here.
His idea was the bigot and the black man.
But the movie was the movie was referencing was a little different.
And let's see what other things that he mentioned.
He also, he claims.
I don't know how he, how this works.
But he says that G.I. Joe was actually aimed at a slightly older audience than Transformers.
But he says G.I. Joe was meant for 12-year-olds and Transformers for 10-year-olds.
Okay. Okay.
Seems about even money to me, but okay.
Yeah, he also mentioned because I was like, why in the heck are these guys just to prove how
tough they are? Because even action movies don't do this. Why are we rating the enemy stronghold
with no weapons? Yeah, but he said that that's not completely unfounded.
He says during World War II, it was standard practice to send deep recon patrols
without weapons behind enemy lines.
And the reason they did that was so they wouldn't be tempted to use their guns and give their
positions away. Okay, I could kind of see that, but it doesn't entirely make sense in this one.
No, this was more of a weirder, the greatest fighting force that ever was, I'm Sergeant Slotter.
We will have to talk about this man. Yeah.
Yeah.
Also, the flashback lore dump sequence was, he said twice as long in the script.
Yeah, they had to cut it down for budget in time.
Right.
So yeah, those are the most pertinent, I think, bit to trivia.
I got on the commentary. It's great commentary.
A great commentary. The weird thing is, Buzz Dixon starts it off by saying,
oh, like, I will take responsibility for this, but I will not take the blame.
And then proceeds to kind of poke fun at the movie, but also, but he also said several times,
this was the best thing he was ever, that he was ever associated with. So like, okay, dude,
he doesn't really know how he feels about it. It sounds like, yeah, it's, oh, it's like,
so he starts off apologizing, but then says, like, this is one of the things I'm most proud of.
Like, okay, dude, so I'm gonna mix it up a little bit and say, Jacob, what is your first
like for this film? My first like for this film, it is the opening scene, which is like,
probably where most, most, most of everything. I knew, I knew the opening was gonna be on that.
I have it as a potential like I'm just, so I'm gonna go with a different because I always have
backups. You're fine. Yeah, but the, oh my gosh, the opening is spectacular. I mean, like, you
have the, the, the angles in which they use the animation and the whole movie. You're not
kidding. You're not kidding. It's probably one of the best to be like opening up like films.
Like, you could just release this as a short film and they could have just left it at that.
And it would do an amazing, but dude, the only way that that opening makes any sense,
because it's not even like a James Bond opening where it's the opening damn bit where it's like,
oh, let's, here's a mission James Bond is just so we can remind you how cool James Bond is,
and it may or may not connect to the rest of the movie. At the very least, it'll be like,
James Bond comes home. It comes back to MI6 headquarters after being on a mission.
It's like, here's another one for you, 007. Is that even that? This is completely separate
from the rest of the movie. We have no idea why Cobra is attacking the Statue of Liberty.
No, other than the fact that it's an American icon and why not? That's the entire reason.
Yeah, it's a whole reason. So in my mind, the only way this opening makes any sort of sense,
because even by Saturday morning cartoon logic, the bad guy Cobra is making some really questionable
decisions, like why is Cobra Commander flying down there and planting a bomb? They could put it on a
rocket. Well, it is Cobra Commander. He is kind of the new guy who makes all the mistakes.
Say what you will. He was willing to go plant the bomb himself. That is true. That was a
little bit. This is just the sneaky leader. Yeah, but the only way that this makes any sort of sense
in universe and the same could be said for the opening of the show, because this is,
I'm pretty sure, I don't know, I haven't read anything that confirms this, but I'm pretty sure
this is a brand new rendition of the theme song, but it is the same singer from the TV show.
Yes, but the expanded version of it. It's a lot like the intro for the Transformers. It's
an meant to be an extended version. It is, but it's a definitely a new thing. It's a new recording,
so it's not a new band. That was something else. I think I remember reading. That was just one of
the things that suffered when they had to change it and then send it straight to video. They were
going to do like they did with Transformers the movie where it was going to have a brand. It was
going to have a score that was going to be similar to Transformers the movie. And then they
decided not to, which we'll get into that with potential dislikes. But the only reason that this
opening makes sense in universe is that this is a recruitment video. Like they put this together
to get people to join GI Joe. And you know, how did they get, how did they get Cobra to play along
with them? That's what I'd like to know. Maybe they had actors. Very close actors that look like
I'm just saying, this is a recruitment video to get people to join GI Joe. I was going up.
I was going with that maybe Cobra was trying to destroy the statue of Liberty to hurt morale
among the Americans, much like, or as a symbolic thing, much like future terrorist attacks that
we're going to get into. Right. Did. But, and they got stopped by GI Joe because, of course, GI Joe
was there. And that's that's why I thought it was. And that's why Serpentor was like,
he could have struck the mighty blow for the, for Cobra.
Yeah. But the script that Buzz Dixon worked on, he said, that first scene that when your synopsis
started, it's like, that was how his script, that was where his script started that intro is not
there. But you know, I don't, this intro is brilliant. I'm sorry. It's probably, I mean, I am,
I have not, like, taken in the entirety of the GI Joe franchise, but given what I have seen of it,
this might be PGI Joe. Yeah. Yes. The intro to this. They could have used this for an army
recruiting thing. That's what we like. Yeah. The actual army could have used this in the 80s
to recruit people in the army. Yeah. See, and this is the thing. I wonder if
what makes this so appealing. And at times kind of a relic is that I think this could only
have been made at that moment in time. This is Reagan's America. Yeah. The tail end of the cold war,
patriotism is running high. And that's one of the things that I love about a real American hero.
They've mucked around with the levels of patriotism or GI Joe since this. Yeah. But here,
they are unabashedly patriotic. And I love every second of it. I come from a military family,
so that's part of the idea. My dad's name is Joseph, which made me feel like as a kid is like,
my dad is actually GI Joe. So, so the unabashed patriotism, the American flag is featured
frequently and permanently. Dude, the whole ending after they get the bomb. Dude flies down, grabs
the American flag and flies all the way up the statue of liberty. Oh my gosh. That's
like this should be showed every 4th of July. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Speaking of that scene,
speaking of that scene, the fact that like Duke picks up the flag from the ground and takes that
the scene where he's one amazing bit of animation. It's a beautiful bit of animation. Oh my gosh.
His peak Americana brought to you by the greatest of Japanese animation. Yeah, go figure on that.
Toe animation did this. Yes, absolutely. How does Toe a Japanese company really feel about
having to animate this for for the American audience? Yeah. Probably it's like, well,
it's a job. But they win 110%. They did. They committed so much. Like, can you imagine
regardless of where you saw, whether it would have been shown in the theater or you saw it on video,
like that opening makes promises. Yes, that the movie does not fulfill. No, it doesn't fulfill
because the movie is really weird. It is weird. Yes. It is incredibly weird to like it. I'm sure
we will get into watching this. I was literally like getting super excited. Wash this one. Oh,
this is going to be this is the kind of film this is going to be. This is not going to be some
stupid. We'll get into that when we get to dislikes because literally the very next scene. Yes,
yes. So remember, I went into this blind. He did. He did. So yes, the opening credits for this movie
is so like everybody said, be like, this is patriotic beyond American USA, USA kind of thing.
Beyond believe the animation is spectacular, perfect, best opening to an anime movie in the last
40 years. One of them, but I have to go back and like find the one that I enjoy. But this one,
I just think like, okay, USA, USA, that's what I think of this opening. It has like everything you
want. We like again, it's not contextual to anything that's going on. It's just more like we need
something to pump the, pump the audience up and then it does his job fantastically. So yes,
the open and I think that opening like, there you have like a gazillion cameos from both the
Joe's and the coke and no, don't go up in the rest of the movie. Like I think they think I read
somewhere in some trivia someplace that like there's only like three GI Joe characters who don't
make some sort of appearance in this movie. So I'm going to jump off of your first like,
because this is my first like as well. Okay. But this is like, like you were saying,
I'm like we were saying this is such a patriotic action. Like this gets to the end of 12-year-old
to stand and go, yeah! That's the cobra! It's like, because I was like, I haven't been this
excited for the opening of a movie since I saw the Power Rangers jump out of a plane.
So yeah, I mean, this is just such a fun opening for this film and I'm kind of thinking, okay,
if they can hold this, we're going to be golden. They didn't hold it. We'll get to that.
We'll get to that. Nate, what's your first like for this film?
All right, so I'm going to go with one of my backup likes since we've already talked about
the opening, but I am going, I'm going to go with the animation. We've kind of some of the
phrases of the animation. The opening obviously is where the best animation is. But as much as I know,
we're probably going to rag on the rest of the movie and as freaking weird as the rest of the movie
is, as I've said, it is not a great representation of how the show is, but I appreciate the weirdness of
it. There's a there's a harshness to the movie with the style of it. It feels almost like it was
ripped out of the pages. I think the summary called it kind of like what was it like Lovecraftian
at points. I feel like a lot of the art style of this could have been taken out of the pages of an
an 80s issue of heavy metal. Like it has that aesthetic to it. This you know grungy, dark
at points horrifying design and everything aesthetic to it, particularly in the Cobra Lost Sections.
Not so much with the rest of the show, but definitely in those Cobra Lost Sections. And I
feel like something that could only have been produced in the 80s because when I think of other
80s cartoons and there's some similar aesthetics. I think of Thundercats has some similar aesthetics
to it as well. And it's like you could only have done this in the 80s when everything was
hand drawn. Any attempts to try to replicate something like this. Yeah. There's something missing.
It's too clean. It's too clean. Yeah. And you know, there's some great colors in this.
In fact, Buzz Dixon even said in the commentary is like, I wish we could have seen more of Cobra
law. Or Granny's body has as he put it. You know, he said, I wish we could have seen more. Yeah,
because it's not like he loved the designs of it because it was so strange. And but you know,
he was talking about how like a lot of the stuff in this movie, particularly with the Cobra
Lost stuff was inspired by he was a big science fiction fan. So he was reading a lot of science
fiction novels and there was stuff in there about biological technology. And you know, this is
also a guy who said, yeah, I read classic books. I watched classic movies and he's talking about
how all of these influences plus his military experience got poured into GI Joe. And it's like, you
know what? That exact right there is exactly why as weird as this is, well, it may not be the
best thing in the franchise aside from that epic opening. There's a reason why
stuff like this worked as quote unquote corny as it was. It works compared to the new stuff
written by people who I'm just going to come out and say it. What is that Jimmy? Yeah, my hot
take for the episode. He was reaching for that button. It wasn't working. But it's just feels
shallow by comparison. Yeah. You know, so I the I just say in the animators and the characters and
the designers, they aren't designers or whatever that they are working on this. They really
outdid themselves. Fair. Jacob, what's your second like for this? My second like kind of go
back to the animation. My particular would be with co-bacroomander's mutation from being like,
I once was a man to being a stink. I know it's cheesy as all out. The entire premise of it is just
bonkers. But the his when he when we're first to see he gets mutated, the animation is very well
done. This is why he wears a mask. The fact to be like in the point where it's him and
crap. Roblox. Roblox. Thank you. More with names. Roblox me like in Roblox fills his mask and
whatever. Like it's like, man, this is your mask and be like, I once was a man to be like the entire
mutation into the devolves into this snake and be like, the whole time, be like, you see scenes where
he's like, digressing over and over and over again and be like, this is very well done. Like
animation wise, be like, it's always very nice to look lit for the most part. It's animated wise
and just the the the fact that they took it where he was a man into a snake man and they become
just a snake. I was like, that's clever. I really enjoyed that for animation wise between the
animation. Yeah, between the animation and Chris Lottas performance. Yeah. And I will say the
writing for those things, that creep me out so much. Yeah, you're going to creep me out. Like
there are things in this movie that are kind of tattooed on my brain because they disturbed
little Nate while he was watching because he was not exactly used to this. No, it's like,
this is not how GM Joe normally is. What is going on? Yeah. It's it's it's it was honestly kind
of disturbing. It was. But I was younger. And even to this day when I watched this movie, particularly
when they're doing the stuff with Cobra Commander, like when they first give him the spores and
everything, it still takes me back to you. You're kind of being traumatized by it as a child.
I'm like, oh, I was like, oh, gosh, what happened? Yeah, it's like, really? I and weirdly enough,
you're it actually makes Cobra Commander kind of a sympathetic doctor. So almost no on that note,
my second dislike. Like second like, yes, yes, very nice. Like I said, I came into this with almost
no knowledge of GI Joe. My only real knowledge was that Cobra Commander was the bad guy. And in
order for this show to work, he had to lose all the time because the Joe's have to win.
So we get in with this thing starts and he's getting berated by Sir Pentor.
Get on the Sir Pentor in a minute. I'm thinking, okay, yeah, sure, it makes sense that he's been
failing all this time. But you know, he's still the leader of Cobra. He's the way he's going to do.
And he's getting thrown under the bus by pretty much every single person in Cobra.
And I just, I was watching. I was going, where are they going with this? Because they're obviously
setting him up for something. And then we get the trial of Cobra Commander. It's like,
in Cobra a lot. Yeah, in Cobra a lot. I'm going, wow, y'all really do. We are really putting
this character through his paces. Great. I have no, I just know who this character is from an
archetypal point of view. I don't really know who the character and stuff is. Yeah, I've never seen
it. And then we go through this whole bit where he gets the spores and then turns it to,
or first we get the flashback and we see why he has to wear the face mask. And then they put
making breathing the spores so that he has to be slowly starts turning into the snake. And I'm going,
wow, I feel sorry for this dude. He's the villain of the show. And I'm feeling sorry for him because
as bad as he is, he does not deserve this. Yeah, no one deserves this. To give you
a little bit of that. And then the fact that he and Roadlock pretty much team up to get out of
there and back to the Joe's base. Yeah. And he does like, wow, this is actually a really cool
spot point in this that pretty much because they betrayed him, Cobra Commander is betraying
all of Cobra, because of what they did to him. Yeah. Yeah. Which I mean, the only thing that
would have been cooler is if they'd have had Cobra Commander kill Sir Pinter were at the very end.
Yes. Well, he kind of does. And when they do the deep series, which was made two years after
this movie. Yeah. And they had a five-parter called Operation Dragon Fire that launched it.
And it follows up on this movie. They don't ignore it. Yeah. At least for this midi series.
And Cobra Commander, Sir Pinter is still around. And Cobra Commander does get his revenge
on Sir Pinter. But if it happened in this movie, that would have been
and kind of cool. Oh, yeah. They probably were expecting Sir Pinter to come back in
sunbows season three that never happened. Yeah. If they had done one. And honestly,
if spoiler warning, it's kind of poetic because Cobra Commander basically does the same thing
to Sir Pinter. Turns him into a snake. Oh, that's not much of a change. No, it's not. He's very nice.
Snake in a, you know, yeah, we'll get more. However, however, the only part, the only part of the
movie that the deep show does acknowledge is that Cobra Commander got turned into a snake. And
it basically ignores everything else. That makes sense. And it's really strange. That was really
strange. But to kind of fill in, even though they talk about it in the movie,
Sir Pinter in the show was created as a replacement for Cobra Commander because everybody else
was fed up with his incompetence. And Cobra Commander, because he has a silver tongue.
And because he realizes that there was one flaw in Sir Pinter, which is that he's incredibly,
I think, remember, I think it's that he's incredibly impulsive. And because of that, even his plans
were not working. So he convinced Sir Pinter to keep him around. So he could blame all of his
failures on Cobra Commander while he was plotting to overthrow Sir Pinter at some point or another.
Now, in the comics, Sir Pinter was created as a general who was still subservient to Cobra Commander.
So that's one of the big difference. I thought that the bath out that story of
the pretty much Cobra's betrayal of Cobra Commander and then him having to help the Joe's in order
just to get back to civilization. I thought that was just such a cool concept. It's like,
ah, this is this is a neat way to handle this story. And I just kept waiting for him to finally
get his revenge during the movie, but apparently it happened later. So yeah, yeah. And like I said,
he gets his revenge in the deep show. And the way he gets turned back into a humanoid snake
is really weird. Anyway, Nate, what's your second like?
Two words, Sergeant Slotter. Fair. This man, at least the GI Joe version of him,
is the incarnation of 80s action movies. Yes, I agree. Like, if you distilled the entirety of
80s action movies into a man, his name would be Sergeant Slotter. Like this guy, this dude,
my gosh, he gets all the best lines in the movie. He does. And like, he's like, if Schwarzenegger,
and like basically every action star had a baby. And like, that is him. I don't know how else
to explain it. Like, this guy is tough guy, you know, cliches stacked on top of each other.
It's like, it's nothing. But tough guy, it's tough. I cliches all the way down. Like,
and he has such a great look with the glasses and the hat. And it's a simple design, but it's
an iconic design that it just works. And this is, this really is just a more exaggerated version
of Mr. Remus's, yeah, wrestling persona, because of the freedom of animation and action movie
tropes. Like, it is absolutely nuts. And see, he was introduced in season two of the show. He
didn't show up as much as you would have thought he would, but when he showed up, you paid attention.
Right. And like, my gosh, so many of the best lines, like, I need to go look at some of the ones
that I wrote down because they are gold. They're absolute gold. Let's see. Yeah, this is my
favorite one. This is my favorite one. Thank you, Sergeant Slotter for this. He says,
you're going to work until you wish you were dead and keep going because you're afraid.
If you don't, I won't let you die. That was a very good line. That was a very good line.
It's like, I could see early early shouting this. Yes.
I just like, oh, my gosh, I love you. It's that I'm not, I'm between this or my other
favorite Sergeant Slotter line is from the show. It's from one of his early appearances on the show
where he's giving a pep talk to all the shows after they've been defeated by Cobra.
And it was during the five part arc where they make Sir Pentor. And he tells all of them,
like everybody, he's talking to everybody. And all of them stand at attention, including General
Hawk. And, you know, give him, give him their full attention. And he says, give your
horse to America boys because your butts belong to me. That general, I'm just the staff Sergeant,
but you're in here, the general, but you belong to me.
I just, I love every seat he's in. I love it. Just every second he's on screen. I absolutely love
it. And probably the pinnacle of what he does in this movie. And this is one of those images
that has been tattooed on Nate's brain since little Nate watched this movie.
Yes, when he runs across the bridge and it turns out to be a giant mantis,
the mantis gets up turn around and it's going to get him. And Sergeant Slotter takes his rifle
and he shoots at him, but the rifle's out of ammo. It's a laser. So the laser doesn't work.
But it's Sergeant Slotter worried about that. No, Sergeant Slotter is not worried about that.
He just turns the rifle around and smacks them and hits us in the face.
Because he's Sergeant Slotter. Because he's Sergeant Slotter day. And then Sergeant Slotter
just, and then the mantis just falls over and he's like, come on guys.
Yeah, so I love your comparison earlier because you be like, Cal hold on.
Why do I now want to fight between Sergeant Slotter and Segata Sanchiro right now?
Or, or how about Chuck Norris? Rest in peace. Yes.
That would be nice to a three way fight. Yes. So I do. I'm trying.
Don't fry. Yes. So I do. I do watch a man Randy Savage commentating.
Yes. I do. Or, you know, well, we'll pit Sergeant Slotter against Captain Gordon,
you know, the head of security on the island. Oh, there you go. Anyway, check it.
So I love your comparison. Like he's this amalgamation. Sorry. I love the,
the effect of the like Sergeant Slotter feel like if they took Sir Sampintor,
or like Sir Sampintor and like create him from like all the greatest generals or whatever.
It's like they took the, they created Sergeant Slotter from all the greatest action heroes
of the 80s or whatever. It made this tough as nails guy that would chew.
Dozer is a, who eats, who eats giant ribs for breakfast?
Yeah. It's a breakfast. Oh, yeah. That kind of guy. He's the amalgamation memory thing.
It's, yeah, I can believe it. And he's the only guy that the reason why he has the
renegades is because they're kind of, they're loose cannons. And apparently he's the only one
that he that he's the only one who could talk to him and then respect him. Yeah.
That's the wild part. And this is the guy because Captain Falcon says, oh,
invading the enemy. Captain Falcon. Captain Falcon. It's a different guy.
I'm sorry. Captain Falcon over here on my shelf. Yeah, Kyle,
come on. Podge. Anyway, there's a cover idea for it.
It's a little bit about doing a focus.
That's the option. Yeah, I could be an option considering I still convinced Captain Falcon
is based off comment writer. But I think he is actually. But anyway, so
this is the guy when Lieutenant Falcon says, oh, we're going to invade the enemy's headquarters,
like the enemy headquarters, not just a headquarters, the headquarters. Oh, it's,
it's supposed to be just for first off, Sergeant Slotter says, oh, it's just, you know,
this is an educational trading mission. You are invading the headquarters of all the bad guys.
And this is just a trading reason for you because you are Sergeant Slotter. And this is how it works.
Yes. So every mission is a training mission for Sergeant Slotter. Yeah, exactly.
It's like, you know, we need to start Sergeant Slotter facts. Every mission for Sergeant Slotter
in the training mission, like we should do that. Like in honor of Chuck Norris,
we will do Sergeant Slotter facts. And Lieutenant Falcon says, oh, it's just,
supposed to be a training mission, but why don't we make it more challenging and not take weapons?
He's like, I like that only because you are Sergeant Slotter. We do think this is a good
thing. Yeah, Falcon. Shut up. I wish one of the other guys would have said that,
just look at this like, Falcon. Shut up. I wish Falcon had been like, oh,
wait, I didn't think he'd do. This is why Falcon is a screw up. That's true.
Oh my gosh. Like I said, every second this guy is on screen. Like think of,
it's like if you took the movie, like you took the entire team of people from the first predator
and put them into one man. Like this is like, you know, Jesse, the body Ventura is like,
I got time to bleed. Oh, painless. If it bleeds, we could kill it.
Like this guy. Oh my gosh. You will. That's Batman. I know.
What is going to happen? Oh my gosh. Like again, a little bit of a relic of the time,
because even if they could bring Sergeant Slotter back and Sergeant Slotter was in the
deep show and he was, it was still Sergeant Slotter, the wrestler voicing him, but
most of that energy was just gone. Like the deep version of Sergeant Slotter is a pale
limitation of what we had here. And it's very disappointing, but I don't think they could
bring Sergeant Slotter even if they got the pro wrestler back to voicing because he's still around.
Yeah, I don't think it would be the same. He is very much a product of the 80s.
Yes. And that that action movie culture, it just it would not be the same.
They broke the mold with Sergeant Slotter figuratively and literally figuratively.
That's what I did there.
Someone thinks they're funny.
Because we need to get into our dislikes now.
Jacob, what is your first dislike? Oh my gosh. So all I'm going to say is
Oh my gosh. Yeah, so incredibly stupid. So here, here, so you have this really interesting
story about the Joes and everything. But once again, the Cobra Law Junk, because I
understand it was a mandate from Hasbro, they had to bring in the Cobra Law stuff. They had
to shift the story to make everything about Cobra Law. And the entire thing just goes, you go,
okay, great opening. Okay, Joes are doing this. Cobra is doing this. Okay, it sounds like a
river story. And then they bring in Cobra Law. It's like every time they bring up Cobra Law,
the story goes, boy, be like the everybody's been broke off. And now we have to somehow manage the
story just to keep Cobra Law in the story. And the entire time, it's like, this is ridiculous,
the entire time. Why are they doing this? And I'm just, I'm back on mandates. Yeah,
Hasbro mandates, I get it be like this had to be in the script. And it's like, okay, we got to
go more sci-fi. We got more fantasy with this. And it just broke the movie for me. Because I'm
watching this and like, okay, this will be like GI Joe Cobra Cobra. That makes no sense. Makes zero
sense. The story just becomes stupider and stupider and stupider every time Cobra Law comes up.
Like just stick with your GI Joe, pick a really interesting plot. Not all my gosh, we're gonna,
here's the kicker. Here's the kicker for me. So Cobra Law is going to implant these spores into
outer space. And they're not going to burn up in the atmosphere. Thought about that. That doesn't
work either. So, and they are so anti-technology, this and this and this. And they have to use
GI Joe's newest weapon in order to cause these pods to grow and dispersing everything like that,
even though your anti-technology, you have to use GI Joe's to know in their defense plan.
I'm sorry. And I have this thought come to mind. Energy transformer make my spores grow.
But they look entire Cobra Law Law Law Law Law and this is so stupid. In their defense,
they were only using it to expedite the process. Fair. But it was so stupid. I'm guessing the
self-justification. This is head cannon admittedly. Fair. The justification can be we are exploiting
an a weapon of the enemy to expedite something that would have eventually happened. I get it.
Now, the the the kicker is. Okay. So you have Cobra Law Law Law has
you like they're going to be the title of this episode isn't it. Cobra Law Law Law Law Law.
But you you have this, you have this ancient civilization which is Cobra Law Law Law Law Law.
It's just Cobra Law. I'm sorry. We keep saying Cobra Law Law Law Law. That's because Sir
Pentor did that as a battle cry. Which was stupid. So the the fact be like this is an ancient
civilization that predates humans and be like and for somehow they are located in the Arctic.
They're snakes. They're snakes. They're war blooded creatures. Why in the world is a war blooded
creature that can't survive the winter living in Antarctica? That makes no sense.
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Take this cover before. I think so. Yes. Oh my gosh. They should be Stakesicles.
This shouldn't be anything in the story. It should be like they show up and it's it's you know.
I hit fit. Yes sir. Have a good hit. Cobra is having a hit. He always has a
secret. But the fact that there's titles. There's the title of your episode. Throwing a
hit. But no, it's it's more like my my thought was ever since supposed to be like they're supposed
to be plants in the Arctic and I get why they did that. I get it. But at the same time be like
these are snakes. They're warm blooded creatures. They don't do well with the cold.
Me like bugs don't do well with the cold. But why are they in the winter? Why are they?
Snakes. Snakesicles too. Electric boogaloo. I have a way you could make this work.
Okay. Would they do have a way you could have made this work? Instead of them being out in the
open in the Himalayas. Uh huh. You have them be under a blast. That'd be our day. I know.
It's the first thing to give them my Himalayas. The Himalayas and the Himalayan mountains
they are pretty cold. Yeah. I'm saying you have them go through a cave tunnel and all of a sudden
it's like journey to the center of the earth. You just have cobra la la la la la la la la la
underneath Mount Everest. That will go that makes more sense. But no under the ice cap.
Artsy stuff in the chat. Yes. Your episode time. Yes. Have again. Is he feeling cobra la la la la la
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Yes. I feel it. If you'd have done that I got to say that I put it in place and there
and instead of trying to cram all of this lore and projects nonsense about it's not necessarily
nonsense. The problem is it's way too much of one time. That is true. It's way too much
miles away. It's spread out. It's been spread out across a season true. Do you not have the
problem. That is true. It is a textbook definition of Lord Dump. Yes. It is. Oh my God. I will tell
you that's one of the things I don't like this. It's not in my desk. Like it's like this is the
most plot. There's a little heavy plot dump. I am. You're not kidding. You are not kidding.
And literally should have been spread out across multiple episodes. And the example of how
off-rills this plot goes. The fact of me like they have to retro retrofit the cobra la la la on top
of Sir Pintor on top of his creation and everything. I will be getting into that in one of my
dislikes. That's fair. So me like the fact of me like even cobra commander was from cobra la la la
that was like what the what you bring that up. Oh yeah because it doesn't move. You think that's
the only reason why I will tell you this. I will tell you this. This isn't quite what I was
going to bring up. But however, this origin for cobra commander is unique to this movie. I agree.
It is. I actually kind of like this origin. The incarnation of cobra commander has anything close
to this. Is origin is either left is origins either left mysterious like the first life action
where we had a kind of a stupid origin for. It's quite interesting. It's not quite as weird as
this, but still not great in the comics, which is the most contemporary contemporaneous thing. This
is one of the other huge divergences that the comics had. And once I tell you admittedly, I have
gotten this from reading wikis. I have not read the comics myself. I'm very curious. I'm hoping that
this makes a bit more sense and execution than in summary fear. Because when I tell you this,
you're gonna be like, how the heck does that work? In the comics, cobra commander is human. Yes.
And he used to be a kid you not. A used car salesman. I've heard that one before. Okay.
Yeah. Block story short if I remember correctly. If this was my show, Jimmy would have to add
this to his blog for the episode. He was a used car salesman. He had a family. His business fell
apart. His family. I think if things were falling apart for his family, he snapped,
blamed the US government for it. And then burned down his own car dealership. And if I remember
correctly, I think he murdered his family too. Yeah. He burned them with the car dealership.
If I remember correctly, that detail, I might be misremembering question. And then became a
terrorist to stick it to the US government. Question was was the cars he was selling mustang
cobras. I would love that irony. So again, it's not named after the snake. It's named after
the car. Yeah. And I will get as part of I dislike the original idea that Buzz Dixon hitched
for both this and a rise or pen to a rise, which is the five part of the introduces
or a serpent or he shared it on the commentary. And I thought to myself, yeah,
should have went with that because it's still different than the comics. And I think I would have
preferred it to the weirdness that they get into with go commander here. You have anything to add
before going to be like the fact that the cobra plot is so ridiculously over the top. And again,
it's an over stuffed story. And it's just, I mean, like once you get into
it's just, I mean, like you lose, I lose it. I go, can you just turn me into a dog and get me out
of here? Oh, you can make that happen.
You got your transfer, Margaret, and it transmogrified Ray recharge.
She says, be careful what you wish for. She said it just like that too.
Is it is it like a modified version of the of the spores, the cobra lost spores?
No, no, this is space technology. Not snake technology. Snake technology, god. Yeah,
whatever snake, snake, technology. Do you know, but we'll know, we'll know that if you got
exposed to the spores, you're a total dog. She said calm down. She's not done anything yet. Are we sure?
Still fully charged. Okay, good.
Hey, Jimmy, can you do anything about this?
Ah, good. He cut the wires. Oh, good. Wait, is there no wires?
Oh, crap. Jimmy, you got the wrong ones.
Anyway, wires that you cut. You don't want to talk about it. That's probably for the better.
Anyway, my, my first dislike.
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eyes I said multiple times. I went into this blind. I knew literally went into a coma only because
of transformers and the trivia and all that stuff and the research for that.
The weirdness about the timeline of this is that Hasbro read the script for this where Duke
dies is like, that's great. Let's do it for transformers with Optimus and then we'll be
came up first and then they were here. There's the thing. They first off, they change their minds
after it's all animated and voiced and everything and say, Oh, no, we can't kill Duke.
Just have a couple of something. How do we go to a coma? They tried to course correct.
We were stared by us. They tried to, of course, with only two lines and they are completely unbelievable lines.
You just get him going into the coma and the nurses. He's going into a coma.
I'm going to blow the crappy was getting a coma. You can't survive that.
Seriously, speared in the heart with a lot of blood. That was a ton of blood in a show in a franchise
that was scared of showing people getting hurt despite the many acts of violence.
And then you try to say, Oh, look, he's still lying by having someone call someone. Hey,
guys, guess what? Duke's actually has come out of his coma. Everything's okay.
Amson, they're going two things. Why is every other line referencing Duke after his quote,
unquote, coma? I think like he's dead because the original script he lies, including the last line.
And thirdly, thirdly, thirdly, thirdly, thirdly.
It is entirely disrespectful to the character of Duke to
take this great death scene for this character. It's kind of an amazing death scene and
bypass it at the very last freaking minute because you are scared of people
of being afraid of Duke's death because of this pride dying.
And it's almost a move point because like I said,
Sombo didn't make a third season. And when Duke made more seasons later, guess what?
Duke is hardly in it. I am not a big GI Joe fan. I did not grow up on it. And I am pissed
for GI Joe fans to say because they, if you're going to take a character who's given a meaningful
death scene and take it away from him, you are disrespecting the character and it's disrespectful
to the franchise. This would have been like, if at the last minute, they,
McCoy popped up and swaned some magic thing over Spock. It said, oh, look, he's better now.
And Star Trek to the right of the car.
Wasn't that kind of happening and Star Trek into darkness? Yes!
We don't see point 9. Star Trek to the right of our scene right now.
Breathe. This is why I did the rat master. I knew it was going to go this way because this is
a granite as an amateur writer at best. This is the biggest vampire night.
It's, it has to have some executives at a toy company got scared.
Where was the scaredness later on as well with so many other things you've stepped in?
Especially in the last couple years, different people are running the company and apparently
they didn't learn from the mistakes. Well, you want to know, you want to know something else,
like you think this is bad. Yeah, they killed Optimus, but before they made the decision to resurrect
him, they killed him again. Yeah, because he came back as a zombie, which is just disturbing it up,
and then they killed him again. So yeah, that is my second dislike. And then in the Japanese show,
they killed him a third time. My second dislike, I mean, I first dislike,
for G.I. Joe, a real American hero of the movie, is the disrespect
towards the entire franchise by putting Duke into a coma. You're not kidding.
Nate, what's your first dislike? All right, I'm trying to decide, you know, I hit the button.
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My freaking gimmick, and this is my sponsored episode song, taking it
the mother trucking retcons. You're not kidding. I am speaking, this does not affect you, Drew.
This affects me as a fan here. The retcons in this are kind of obscene.
First of all, Cobra commanders, the back of Cobra commanders head was seen at least once or twice
in the show, and he was definitely not pale green. So he was implicitly human, a bald human,
but implicitly human. And all of this stuff with Cobra law was invented for the movie.
Yeah, it was all invented for the movie, and it was because Hasbro turned down
Buzdixon's original pitch for season two, because they basically just told him,
is like, he gave him a pitch, and was like, okay, that's cool. But what are you going to do with
the Cobra Emperor? And they're like, who's the Cobra Emperor? And he's like, well, we need you to
put the Cobra Emperor in there. It's almost the way he tells it. It's almost like they like gas
layman, and it's a change again. Yeah, apparently no, but no, no. Which is what makes all of this weird,
because Hasbro had it in their head that they had to have certain things. You know what Buzdixon's
original pitch was for this? They got pervutated into this and like that five-parter that started
season two. It was a story that he said he called the most dangerous man in the world
that would have explained the origin of Cobra. Cobra law was no, Cobra,
it was nowhere in there. You know what it was? There was this character. I forget what I don't
know if Buzdixon gave him a name or anything, but he said he would have been like, like a Karl Marx
or like an Adolf Hitler or something, like that kind of a character. He founded Cobra. And he was
like there, not only did he found Cobra, he formulated their entire philosophy and everything.
Cobra Commander was a subordinate. He overthrew this guy and put him in prison
in his own prison, kept him around, took over the organization,
and then took it in a completely different direction. He basically
the tarnished this guy's whole mission statement with Cobra and then ran it into the ground with
his incompetence. And then, let me make sure I get this right because this guy would have escaped
from prison. And the Joe's would have tried to help him. Yeah, yeah, here it is. Yeah,
misapplied the founder's philosophy. It made Cobra an evil organization. And then he would have
escaped. The Joe's would have pursued him, tried to help him out, but then they realized we don't
like him either. So they just would have left him alone. You would still be at large throughout
season two. They're radically causing problems for both of them, but especially Cobra.
And this was eventually promutated into Sir Pentor and Cobra,
I'm like, dude, you should have stuck to your guns. I would have, I was like, I would prefer
that. I think even little Nate would have preferred that to all of this weirdness.
It just, it doesn't exactly fit because it contradict it. And now admittedly, the
Transformers movie does some of the same stuff. It also contradicts some stuff from the Joe.
But it's more like they introduce new things that we where you're like, I think we would have
either had a reference or seen something like the Matrix of leadership. I was like, why didn't we
see that until this movie? But you let it go because it still feels like it fits.
This does not fit in nicely. No, because all of this stuff where it's like, oh, we manipulated
Dr. Vinebender to actually make some, shut up. This just, this is the screams retcon.
Yes, it is very much like a retcon and it's not a good retcon, most retcons. I would argue are not
good ideas. This is definitely not one of them. It's frustrating because on the other hand,
I love the aesthetic and the visuals of Cobra law. And maybe, maybe, and maybe, maybe if they
just made them the villains in this, like they were just an ancient civilization. They had no
connections to Cobra, but they pop up and they cause problems for both of them. Or maybe Cobra and
the Joe's have to team up against Cobra. La, la, la, la, la, because Cobra is like, we want to
take over the world. Not these guys and the Joe's are like, we don't like either what have you
taken over? So I that could have been way more interesting. I think this third party coming up.
Yeah. But on the other hand, there is a logic to it because where is Cobra getting its resources?
Admittedly, where is Cobra getting its resources? Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe they could have
maybe they could have a connection to Cobra. Maybe they didn't create Cobra, but they were,
but they were supplying the technology or something. Or maybe the movie stars. Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe
the movie starts with Cobra commander being like, I've run out of resources. What do I do? And then
they make it deal with the yield. Yeah. Collabula shows up and says, I will make you a deal. You know,
something like that. So you could still have them and do a lot of this movie.
But not all these weird retcons. It is so bizarre. Like I said, and like the comics completely,
almost completely ignore this. Those characters don't really, the Cobra,
la la la la la. The characters never really come back. Yeah. Which should tell you a lot.
So weird. But that's why I have kind of two minds about it because it's simultaneously the
weirdest, possibly worst thing about this movie other than what they do to Duke. But it's also one of
the most interesting things in it because it's a visually unique movie.
So it's so incredibly frustrating. Also, I would also I would also feel bad because we got
Burgess Meredith in a GI Joe movie. Yes. Overselling everything in this. Like we are talking like,
this is raw Julia as embison levels almost fair. Yes. I would argue is better than street fighter,
but like Burgess Meredith is all in and then some with this. So yeah, the retcons.
Not a good idea. Like I said, the Deak series basically ignores all of it. Other than
Sir Pentor has found Cobra commander of the snake and has basically put him in like his own
little cage just to torture him. Just to screw with it. Keep him around as a pet. And then
if somebody loyal to Cobra commander breaks him out, does some weird sciencey rudo pseudo magic
stuff to him that makes him a snake man. He's a reptilian man again, then they give him a new costume.
And then he overthrows Sir Pentor and turns him into a snake because poetic justice.
And then he takes over Cobra again. And everybody, you know, not Cobra,
just Cobra commander. Yes. Yeah, Cobra commander takes over Cobra again. And weirdly enough,
all of the subordinates are just like, yeah, we love you. When?
The Deak show is follow who's in charge. They don't really care. I guess the Deak show,
the Deak show is weird. I revisited some of it recently. Unfortunately, the two
uploads are broken. The episodes are mislabeled or replaced the same episode multiple times.
Right. And also I'm like, oh, well, I guess I'm buying the DVDs. Oh, well, it's weird. Jacob,
what is your second dislike? My second dislike, I mean, like, I'm going to bounce what Drew said
earlier was the fact that you have this broken because again, Hasbro was scared death to repeat
what they did with Optimus Prime because again, as a child watching that as a child broke me,
I was like, they killed a prime. They can't do that. And I understand from like, like,
production and corporate that kind of thing, like, you don't want to repeat the same thing is
you'd be like, you're doing it the same negative reaction. I get why they did it. But be like,
I don't know what prevented them from easily going back and re-editing things with this movie.
Go back, do some new animation, new audio, what have you, not simply just taking two little
audio clips to make you believe that oh my gosh, be like, oh, he survived. But the entire time,
like Drew was talking about everybody else to talk about, the fact be like, the animation
screen said, oh my gosh, dude, he's dead. But they're trying to convince you. Oh, no, he survived.
And then why is everybody start his gaslight? Yeah, it's gaslight. It's gaslighting our audience
to say the worst gaslight ever done, but it's gaslighting. It's almost bad as Mother Gothel. Let's
just say that it's almost worse as Mother Gothel from Tangle. But it's like, oh my war. It's like,
good night. Like, Hasbro, taking a little bit of the money and put it to do animation and make
the scene slightly different and just amp it up. Just a little bit change something other than,
oh, give it two different lines. That's it. That is sloppy writing beyond belief. Me like,
what? You didn't have the time to go in and do some slight reanimations. Go back and redo
some lines. Check if that would have cost money. Oh, I'm aware. I'm aware. They didn't want to
spend it. But be like, if you're so concerned about repeating what you didn't, the transformers,
the movie, go back, put a little more effort into this instead of giving us two lines that give
no indication whatsoever. Oh, the dude survived because all the other characters, including,
um, Falcon, isn't it? Right? Yeah, it's not further.
To the Falcon. Yeah, well, to the Falcon. He like, the fact that he like, all his motivation is
the fact that he's like, he's no, his half brother is dead. And we know this simply by just like visual,
audio, everything about this. And it makes no sense that they just put two lines in there to
try to convince the audience that Duke is alive. Like, even visually, we know, be like, because
the visuals and the audio tells us otherwise. It is just a poor attempt at trying to make a bad
situation better when they make it absolutely worse. So this would be like, oh, we need to change
this. Oh, let's give two lines and not change animation whatsoever, because we're due cheap.
And you just make the movie worse with it. Just saying, I'd be like, the way they executed the,
oh, he's in a coma. Oh, he came back. No problem. It made no sense whatsoever. And it's just the
dumbest decision, either a killed Duke off, just have it be that way and make it this really epic ending
or change it. Change your story a little bit, put in time, put in money, put in the effort,
do something different and make it better. But no, let's throw one line, two lines that make no sense
and is not convincing whatsoever. At the button, Drew.
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dangerously close to getting to as many rat masters as we did for the Titanic movies. And this
isn't nearly as bad a movie. No. Yeah. Anyways, that is my second final. This is like a
this movie. The fact that they they took Oh, dude Steph. Oh yeah, let's be cheap and throw two
different lines of there and not change a fucking thing in the movie. Drew looks like he is preparing.
If you'll haven't seen that particular video on our short page, you need to go look it up. Yes,
but are on a on our TikTok. I should say yes. My second dislike for this film,
doesn't you hit the button now or is the entire concept and execution of the character of
Sir Pentor. I absolutely hate this. I come back. I'm defeated.
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look at this through my eyes. I just got done watching the most epic five minutes ever seen
in an animated cartoon of any length. We get this slow movement through the swamp.
Obviously, we're building up to something and we get this guy coming out of a ceiling,
going, boom! Who are you and why do I care? Next, dude, you've got the snake
thaming up just a lot a little too much. It keeps going. It's like,
because then you start getting into this thing, oh, we got first off, oh, I'm going to throw
Cobra Commander into the bus. And then Cobra Cairn's like, no, we must defend him when it's
getting invaded by this mysterious stranger who actually is just trying to go talk to Sir Pentor.
And it's just like, oh, you should go steal this this energy transmitter thingy. And
and and and just care. And we eventually we get to Shagra Law and they start going into this
character's back. Shagra Law Law Law Law Law. And we start going into this character's backstory
and how he's first off, he's he is a genetic experiment holding all the DNA
all the world's dictators. Yes. This is all from the show. I know. I know. But also that was done by
Dr. Minebender. I'm saying it had another name gun to mine, but Dr. Minebender,
but Dr. Minebender, this was not Dr. Minebender's idea. No, this was given to him by this weird bug
thing that they psychically convinced him that he needed to make Sir Pentor by
and in fact, the board tried doing this on the island for a little while.
So this character is like the Emperor's idiot son.
I want to describe him as a character archetype because obviously no one
directly cares what this guy thinks or this doesn't feel like it, but they're all
enabling him because oh, he's the Emperor's son, but he's a big idiot. And he's obviously well
loved by the Emperor in this case being globulous. But I'm still sitting there going
can't read. This is like this guy is the problem. I guess you had globulous take over from
a cobra commander and you didn't have Sir Pentor in the middle of it. And it's very obvious
Sir Pentor was designed as a toy first in a character second and I'm saying this about a glorified
toy commercial because that's what GI Joe and Transformers and all these Hasbro own shows are.
But at least with all the other shows, there's another machine of believability
that kind of just lets the capitalism flow over me and move on.
But this, that is a top five line from the complete run of this podcast from Drew.
But with this, every other character is like, okay, I get why the Joe's will make sense in
their character design. The co-op. The co-op. Then all the other members of Cobra, there's
there does character designs make sense. And then you've got Sir Pentor who is like
the biggest edge lord O.C. character that was ever made because that's what this feels like
I should be writing across this character on Deviant Art.
As an artist or as a piece of art. Does it matter? Does there a difference? This character is dumb.
I mean, he's so very much and it is him specifically that took me out of this film.
and made it to where I was watching it mostly in the background.
I was still watching it. I was keeping an eye on it. I was...
My apologies, Artsy Step.
She says, guys, wait, I can't keep up with all the clips.
Oh, keep up, Madam.
It takes a bit to actually make clips.
So we have this many right one right after another.
But this character is so stupid and so toy executive created that.
Any amount of believability that this film has,
he's taking out any second's characters on screen.
For him, his faults, that every time we say Cobra Law,
we have to say Cobra Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law Law.
I'm going, that will get you canceled now.
How is it not going to get us canceled by making fun of it?
This character is so annoying and he is the main thing.
Like, everything else I could have just let go and like it just be nitpicks.
But with him, it's like, no, this is the entire reason I don't like this film.
Because anytime it tried to do something cool or interesting,
as much as it might have annoyed my co-host,
he would pop up and ruin it completely and utterly ruin it.
And I want to see him go into the furnace,
where the toy story three toys nearly died.
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Oh, why?
But I will say that after the first couple minutes of this film,
most of my watching of this film was...
This is totally against fun.
Nate, what's your third, this is your second dislike?
I just want to build off of that.
Check the private chat.
Your rant reminded me that in the early 90s sunbow,
co-produced a Conan, the barbarian guard.
And the big bad guy, his name was Rathamhan.
He looks like Sir Pentor on crack.
I can see this guy going...
He was the leader of a snake cult.
No kidding.
And to make it even crazier,
I was reading up on him while you were going on your rant master.
He used to be a lizard man.
And then the evil god that he served turned him into that.
To lead the snake cult.
Oh, my goodness.
So basically, sunbow recycled the characters.
Oh, Father.
Oh, me.
I unfortunately will not be building on the train of rant masters here.
Because we got to the major ones that I would have brought up as a dislike.
So I will say my second dislike is the music.
Because it is inconsistent.
Like I was saying, it was supposed to be like Transformers the Movie
where they were going to do a soundtrack that was like that.
And when you're watching this,
and this is Registers More for me as someone who's seen the show.
And I'm sure it was true for you as well, Jacob.
What makes this weird is that you get new...
I thought there wasn't any new music made for this.
And listening to it again, I'm pretty sure that's not exactly...
I think it's that they didn't get to put in anything like crazy rock songs.
Like in Transformers the Movie.
Because there's clearly new music in this.
It stands out.
Because it sounds...
It's not Vince Tacola,
who composed for Transformers the Movie, but it sounds very similar.
But it comes very sporadically.
And everything else is as the music used from the show.
And this new music and the one and the stuff from the show,
the tracks from the show are so different.
They don't exactly gel.
Especially since it will switch in the same scene.
So you get the opening with that epic new rendition of the theme song.
Great.
And then we cut to the first actual scene.
And it's recycling music used from the show.
And then Python shows up.
And there's a brand new track that sounds like it was from Transformers the Movie.
True.
And it's kind of jarring because it doesn't exactly fit.
And then that's the entire movie.
It's mostly recycled music.
And then occasionally new music that sounds way...
That honestly sounds more cinematic.
And then it's...
Here for a minute and it's done.
And then we go back.
So yeah, it's an inconsistent soundtrack.
Because I think the sets of music on their own are fine.
But trying to use them in the same thing.
It doesn't quite gel.
Which feels incredibly minor compared to everything else we've been losing our minds over.
Very great.
So there you go.
So we need to rate this film.
Jacob, what are you writing it?
Oh, no, no, no.
I want to use this first.
True.
True.
True.
I honestly did not think you would hate it this much.
I swear.
I was trying...
I was not trying to make bad movie month come early again.
I really was.
First stop, first stop.
You must not have caught my thing because I did not play.
If I had been for you.
I know.
I know.
I'll be in someone else's digestion.
I didn't play that thing.
Yeah, I know.
But I'm thinking like, yeah, we had like...
This was accidental.
This was not meant to be had in the other Star Wars holiday special.
It's not that.
It's not that bad.
I actually did enjoy my time watching it.
Or at least having it on in the background for good portions of it.
Right.
But at saying time, this...
This is not something I want to return to until I have more context.
Fair for what's going on.
Because I have suspicions that is even with all the retcons of changes.
God, you all talked about for all this.
I have a feeling there's going to be watching it with more context, but
at least who these characters were in the show and everything.
I would probably enjoy it more.
And all of my diss likes their things would have come up.
I think even if I had seen the show, it's just that they stand out more to me,
especially with Sir Pentor.
But as a film, as a film, I think I'm going to rate this a 6.5.
Who?
The first five minutes are amazing.
The rest of it is at least TV quality animation and keeps at a fairly
standard quality.
Character designs for the most part are good.
Even though they were definitely designed as toys first before they had to
figure out how to animate them.
But they still work as well as they are.
I wish I would have...
I wish I would have known who these characters were, so I wouldn't have felt
lost for the first half of the film.
But from what I can tell, this is actually very well made with the
budgets and the restrictions that it was under.
So yeah, I'm giving it a 6.5.
So apparently, I read a little bit lower I'm reading a 6.
The first five minutes are spectacular.
I think if you gave this thing anything less than a 6 because of the first
opening, in the animation, it's not bad.
Definitely for something that has more of a television quality, maybe a little
higher.
But animation alone, it's great.
Most of the plot, when you get the cover, you lose me completely.
Like, it retconned, like Nate said, retconning everything in this
in the show.
Just to fit this movie, it makes no sense.
I'll be like, I think nostalgia wise, it's still going to give me a 6
because as a kid, I enjoyed it.
Even though I never understood this movie at all when I was a kid.
I was like, oh, cool, GI Joe.
Oh, snakes.
Okay, I don't like snakes.
Okay, Indiana Jones.
Exactly.
I'm tired of these mother trucking snakes on this mother trucking
mountain.
Why was it so bad?
Oh, what?
That's a faster still a little.
Why was it Samuel?
Samuel L Jackson in GI Joe would be amazing.
I mean, come on.
He basically played a crooked GI Joe and Kong Skull Island.
Sergeant Slotter would be just fun to watch.
You're not kidding.
You're not kidding.
Let me tell you something.
Sergeant Slotter.
I am tired of these mother trucking copres.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Raking my mother.
Raking my mother trucking tank.
Trucker hand.
You're going to ride that until we actually get to that, aren't you?
Yes.
Diabetic Skeletor.
Oh, fly me to the moon.
Let me play among the stars where it'll be the stupid movie.
Name.
No, Jimmy.
Enough with the catchphrases anyway.
Nate, what is your rating for this?
You two have put me in a pickle.
So is it a 3.5?
Who do you think I am?
Roy, what?
Because you put me in a pickle because Drew the non-fan gave it a 6.5.
Yes.
And then Jacob the fan gave it a 6.
Yeah.
And here I was wrestling between 6.5 and 7.
And I'm like, what do I do?
I get that.
I mean, it's going to average up to 6.5 no matter what you do.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Probably.
It's a middle of the road movie at this point.
Don't watch it because.
That's not.
And then just get that.
The thing is that it's a movie.
I think.
I agree with you.
You can't.
I don't think you can.
Reasonably rate it lower than a 6 because it's highs are really high.
They are.
Even the weird ones that like that.
That doesn't really feel like GI Joe like all the stuff.
But that imagery is great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The imagery is great.
You know, the world building is great.
It's interesting.
It's weirdly dark.
Strangely disturbing.
Like I still can't get over.
I think they got squeamish over certain things.
But there's a lot of weird disturbing stuff in this.
Yeah.
Even compared to like Transformers the movie, which I think is more traumatic.
This is disturbing.
Yes.
You know, but I.
You know what?
I'm.
Right.
Sure.
I don't.
I can.
Shut up, Jimmy.
Anyway.
6.5.
Okay.
Okay.
I was wrestling with the seven.
The more we talked about it, the more I'm like, I think it has to be a 6.5.
But the thing is, is that it's weird for me, the fan to get make it a 6.5.
When the nonfan gave it a 6.5 and then the other fan in the room gave it a 6.
I don't know how to feel about that.
That's fair.
That's fair.
That's why it was.
That's why it was screwing me up.
That's fair.
I would have expected like Drew to give it a 6 and you give it a 6.5.
When it may be feel better about a 6.5.
That's certainly fine.
I think the fact to be like, they're, they're asked for the movie that are really good.
And then there's what the.
Serpent is going on here.
What the serpent is going on here.
We sure is your title.
That's not the title.
That's it.
It's not the title.
What the hell is going.
What the.
What the
Let's go to the Archie steps this. It's what the
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Am vengeance. I am the night
Come on
Off off got the right strike
For some reason I thought you're gonna say co-work on
Man the animated series
Baby doll. Yes, first aired October 1st
1994 is production episode 76 broadcast episode 74
Written by Paul Dini and directed by Dan Reba in this episode a former child star now grown bitter and insane
Kidnapps or TV family and holds in prisoner on an abandoned soundstage while Robin works
Works fast to free the actors from baby dolls explosive death trap Batman pursues his tiny the tiny fiend through a deadly carnival funhouse
Newcast for this episode. We got Allison Laplacca as Mary doll slash baby doll
Jason Marsden. Yes, Max goo himself. That's spunky Spencer
Robbie wrist is Brian daily Judy Stringus as Tanny Vance
Tasia Valenza as Miriam and Alan Young a.k.a
Scrooge McDuck as Todd Baker. Yes. Oh, oh, and you can hear it after you know that
Wow, he does he does sound like a scrooge without the Scottish accent
trivia for this episode baby dolls two thugs are drawn to resemble Gilligan and the skipper from Gilligan's Island
I didn't know that wow the character animation of Mary doll is nearly identical to that of Mitzi from the cartoon
Animaniacs which was also made by Warner Brothers and this teen that makes sense the character of cousin
Spoky Spencer is an obvious reference to cousin Oliver played by Robbie wrist who played Brian daily in this a
Character introduced in the Brady bunch last season and credited with ending the show
Whilst sharing a similar appearance to Oliver Spoky is also musician just like Robbie wrist
Although Jason Marsden's voice is Spoky Robbie wrist voices the character a
Brand-Daily an actor who played dolls old a brother in the show
Hmm the opening scene shows actors leaving a playhouse after a performance of death of a salesman
Pops wazor reference to similar themes of misunderstood or altered reality and the desire for greatness felt by Mary doll
The frequent viewing of old episodes of love that baby also serve as a stand-in for the flashbacks in death of a salesman
Uh-huh. I was wondering about that actually
Production order wise. This is not only studio junios final episode
But also their final overall animation services contribution to the entire DC animated universe
This is the last thing they did for them. Wow. What are your thoughts on this episode? Oh
Go ahead find it out for who goes first go. I was gonna say I
Go
No
Sorry, sorry
Please don't wake up my downstairs later
Again, I will say
This was one once I started watching it
It all came back to me. I was like I
Actually remember this episode very distinctly. I didn't
Exactly remember why I remember did very distinctly, but the farther right we went along
I was like I recognize this I recognize this I recognize this
The ending I forgot how much of a gut punch that ending was
Which we will get to get this was a Paul Dini episode right? Yes
Which explains it because Paul Dini wrote all the best episodes
Yes, so
I forgot about this now. I did a little bit of my own research because I wonder is like
Who is this this character baby doll
and
Near as I can tell baby doll does not exist in the comics, but there is a similar character who appeared in the 80s
That may have inspired her. It's character named baby boob
Ah
It's a similar idea where it's
Someone it's in a basically a villainous adult in the body of a child, but it's but this was supposed to be like
Should I think she was genetically altered to still be a child hyperplasia by the way is a real condition
It is
I looked it up. It is a real condition and it has to do with cell development with like organs not developing correctly
Hinder cell development
So it's a it's a real condition. It didn't make this up. Yeah, so
Kudos to them on that
But you would think it feels like it would be a bit of a gimmick episode, but it's not a gimmick episode
No, it's not
And like I said here
It is very emotionally affecting especially that ending
I forgot how good this show was at getting into the psychology of these characters
Even a one-off villain. No, baby doll does come back
I did read that baby doll comes back and one more episode later on
But
It's amazing how much they get into the psychology of these characters and how weirdly
Not your friend artsy, but about how artsy the ending gets yes
And what really strikes me about this is that when you get to the end of this episode really it's kind of the whole episode
But it's really abundant in
The end of this episode that that's not trying to hurt her. No, no
It's like she's actually an adult
But I wonder if there's still a part of it. It's like this is a kid
So it's hard to remember when you're watching this episode that it's not a kid
Because I'm sitting here going thinking this character is reminding me a lot of El Maira from tiny tunes
There's a lot of El Maira
And she they designed her intentionally to look like more of an of the Steven Spielberg character that a Batman animated series character
Oh agree. I think but
The entire you forget why you're watching it
Yeah, the voice sounds a little weird and coming out as low as it is in her, but then when she goes to her non
Baby doll voice
Doll voice you go. Oh, yeah, that is what this is
And that actress did an amazing job. Yeah, you're not kidding
You know being able to do both versions of the character and it's and you can tell when she switches voices and notice
This is the brilliance of the script thing and the voice direction in this episode
She only slips into the adult voice when she
Basically talking about her trauma. Yeah
You know, she has that home that borderline comical
So illiquid where she
Basically lays out her motivations for doing this and it's not the usual thing you expect from a Batman villain
It's not or sadistic pleasure like the Joker. It's not for your money. It's not for power
It's not for revenge. It's not for all of these motivations
it's because
for her
Playing a child. I think what's there like?
Wasn't there a black actor in the 80s who kind or the 70s who kind of did the same thing?
I don't remember his name. Yeah, he's on a sitcom. Yeah
Or he played a kid. Yeah
Willis the guy with which you told about Willis
Yeah, I wonder if that might have been
Yeah, I wonder if that might have been a bit of inspiration
But she wants to go
She wants to go back to that because that's when she felt happy. It was pretending to be a child
Yeah, so it's like it's layered because it's like she was 20
But that was and that was the height of her popularity as a man
Dear
But it's also she did it by acting like a child. Yeah, so it's like the style
So it's this it's like layers of nostalgia. Yes
And she only
Stops and this was the incredible symbolism because like I said bab is just chasing after he's not trying to hurt her
Like he at the most he like he's shooting he fires the grapple gun at her because he's gonna shoot her
Yeah with her doll. Yeah, and he throws something at her
At you know when she's using the
The ball of the baseball
Cannon at the at the at the fair. He's not trying to hurt her. No, it's more towards her than that
Yeah, yeah, and
She doesn't stop until that incredibly symbolic ending where and I
She's really stuff in the fun house
It doesn't exactly make sense, but it makes emotional sense. Yes
Where she sees what she would have been had she not suffer from hypoplasia and she would have been a proper adult
Yeah, and she's like wow look at me
I'm pretty. I love it, but it's not really me. Yeah
I
Can't ever be in that and then she shoots it and that's the last bullet in her gun. Yeah
She's
And then on her line. I didn't mean to yeah, yes, because that was her catchphrase when she was on the show and it's supposed to be in a
It was they showed that in a funny context and they showed it in a sinister
Context and then we get to this last one
I think it's all very
She's apologizing because she's like I don't know what else to do and Batman Batman just
Just let's her
Hug him. Yeah, just because hand on her head. That's it
I think it's also very interesting how when they're showing her trying to be a serious actress
She's playing Lady Macbeth
She is playing that is
In the scene over many layers in this episode dang spot out scene. So yeah, yeah
There's so many layers in this episode it you wouldn't expect something with a you know, I kind of
Weird sort of obscure may or may not be from the comics character you would you would expect this to just be
You know average I bet no
They go all in on this
And I think one of the things that this really does and this is a side of Batman. I wish more people would talk about
Batman is
Not some gruff tough guy who's just trying to
You know, he's got some gruff edge lord kind of a character. He really
wants to help these villains. Yeah, he wants to help her
They they focus on the dark. They don't focus on the night. Yes, yeah of his monitor
That's always been my issue with
Mostly renditions of Batman after that after this. I wrote during it too to a degree with the
the
What is the guy's name?
Shulshumaka movies. Yeah
They they focus so much on how
Dark the story as they forgets like these are so human beings and Batman does care for them is much as he asked to fight them
Mm-hmm
Someone was pointing out to me that it'll a lot of cases
Batman always refers to the villains by their actual names
Not their villain name and the only one he doesn't do that with is the Joker. Yeah, and that's because the Joker doesn't have
Real labels. Yeah, no one knows who the Joker's real name is
I mean they go with Jack Napier earlier in the series to a phrase back to that's a
required to the original movie but
Joker's origin has changed so many times that you can't even say that's his actual story. Mm-hmm. So anyway
Yeah, I do I do like the the comment that aren't these stuff put in their way like he's like be he like he
Like he be like he was there for ace and the the last episode of Justice League or Justice League eliminated
Yeah, and I love it. Yeah, that's just a powerful episode. Never seen it
um be like the the fact me like this this story is so about humanity about
um a person's um
I would call an element but more of her
Disorder she has mm-hmm that is dr- that is driven her insane to the point where she wants to relive something that was you know
20 years ago
20-10 years ago and it's like literally toxic nostalgia. Yeah, it's something you see the scowl jump beyond belief
And it's just me like it's a it's a young woman who's now what air 30s
Thirdly I think she was 20 on the show and I think this is those 20 years ago
So she's a middle-aged woman at this point. Yeah, she's in her 50s now
But at the same time it's more well the dad looks like a grandpa now, so yeah, that's true
So it's it's just so me like the the psychology and like you said it's so deep
The fact of me like you you're looking at a woman who is
So desperate to go back to the point in time because we all want to live in the past and something past me
You talk a bunch of like older men. That's all they talk about they talk about their past when they were younger and the glory days of what they did
It's the same thing with baby doll
She she is she is so
Trapped within her past because be like she tried to move forward from it and it didn't work and erect her life
And now she's desperate to go back to it because that's when the like you said it was the only point in our life when she was happy
Yeah, and the thing is is it's understandable
She's one of those understandable villains because yeah, she didn't want to be a super villain
She wanted to break out and do yeah, she was upset with
This new character who gets introduced by the way
That's what I'll buy criticism of this episode
I think it strains credibility a little bit that Rob that was able to disguise himself
Yeah, well as that character, but
But this other than that
She tried to do something else with unless you want to do something new, but she had been pigeonholed she couldn't do it
Stereotypes. Yeah, very
Like that so she couldn't do it
You know, and I don't want to say that what she did isn't her fault which is
But it adds to the tragedy of the character
She doesn't just like didn't mean to yeah, you could make the argument
She didn't want to do it she got kind of backed into that and all she could think about was when she was happy yeah
And really if you look at ultimately like don't we all want to go back to the points in our life when we were happy our
Our peak is and we're like okay, this is this is my echelon. This is where I was
But the fact be like and in her situation where she couldn't move on be like that and she was tight cast
She couldn't get any work beyond that and she spent the next 20 years just
Like rolling in her her grief and her pain and everything and it manifested to be like I want to recreate this
But I'm gonna force people to do it because this is what I want yeah
Yeah, and and to a certain extent she kind of tries to weaponize her condition
She does
Which is a very unfortunate thing that a lot of people do like this it's kind of this episode is a little bit pressioned
Oh, yeah, you imagine making this episode now in the age of the internet good grief. Oh, yeah
They would have an influencer now. Yeah, she'd be an influencer. Yeah, that'd be the thing
You know she'd be like of yeah villainous influencer that would oh man. I almost want to see that now
Like baby doll in present day as an online influencer and
And then she like captures the family and his life streaming what she's doing to them. Yeah
Yeah, we're in dark with this. Oh, yeah, we're really quick
Like this wasn't weird and dark all ready. No. Yeah
She just wasn't filming it
That we know of that we know of yes, that we know of yeah
And then the other I had like one other little criticism about this episode like yeah, that didn't
Why we're gonna remember what it
What it was I also wrote that the that madam her lady henchman. I say yeah
Looks like she looks like see Viper from marium. Yeah, Marium. Yeah, she looks like see Viper from street fighter
I kept expecting her to do more than she actually did for whatever reason
Yeah, I mean, especially since she told her own against Batman pretty well there, which is agreed on an easy feat
Yeah, I think yeah, the thing with Robin was like my major
criticism of this episode. Yeah, that was a little forced
I think
I'm be like I do I do agree with that
No, the other the other one was like
She puts the dynamite on top of the cake. I'm like baby doll
Given how large that explosion was after Robin grabs it with his teeth and throws it away
It's like that would have taken out all of you including you
Sure was your plan. I was sitting there going um
I can understand if you're trying to take the whole family out with your aggression
But shouldn't you be running
And wow did that dynamite look very looney tunes? Yeah, it's very
I with her tiny tunes that design it was very
Khartune where I come a better term. Yes, but uh, yeah, this is a very very good episode
It's one I kind of remembered though. I think I confused it with a later
Episode that may actually be either part of justice league or another one where Batman
It has to talk as talking with one of the members of the the royal flush gang that she's
ace ace. Yeah, I think I was confusing it with that one
but uh
Yeah, uh, this is a very good episode and you'll pretty much it we pretty much hit
Yeah, everything so it's better it's better really than has any right to be. Yeah, give a green agree
Given that it like I said, it's not about any of the heavy hitter villains. No
And it's in the middle of the show where it's starting to wind down for the most part
So before they reinvent the show later on
Uh, let's go ahead and go into the next one. Yeah, okay
The lion in the unicorn
Which first it's this episode because I was on for the first one which first aired November 15th
1995
Written by Diane Dwayne Peter Moorewood and Steve Perry and directed by Boyd Kirkland
Fun fact, this is the final episode broadcast to be aired on Fox kids of the entire DC animated universe
The first one with red claw was the first one to air. Yes
Ironic ain't that a thing and we had Nate on for both episodes
And Kate Mulgrew
Uh, I can totally hear that now. Oh, yeah, I'm just I watch the good Alfred. I need coffee
And she's still and she's still playing it as the butch Russian woman. Yes
Anyway, she can do it. I remember reading someone joke that Kate Mulgrew
Sounds like a woman who has marked too many moral boroughs
Right
In this episode the international terrorist known as red claw strikes again and kidnaps Alfred
luring him into his into a trap on his native England
Alfred once worked for the British Secret Service in red claw has learned he was entrusted with the firing code to a hidden long-range missile
And then in robin have to rescue Alfred before red claw learns the firing code or else she will use the missile to bring England to its knees
Getting into the cast. We've got Adam Ant as Bert. Wait, what Adam? Yes, I had to double check it
If they was Adam Ants or Adam Adam Ant
Not Adam Ants. I'm funny. He was having a little too much fun with his stage thing
All this has to be a stage name. Yes, but he played Bert
And Richard Doyle played Ernie
But that's again. Yes, Roy Doe Trees played Frederick
Kenneth Mars played M2
BJ War played M3 and how rail played the cameraman
Ah
Though this episode was the last of the original series to be aired the final episode of the original series to be produced was back girl returns in 1994
The lion in the unicorn are the supporters of the royal code of arms in the of the United Kingdom
It is an analog for great Britain that has been used in the nursery rhyme Alfred's part of the code is the first two lines of the song
Struggling against the truth serum Alfred quotes the opening lines of the brook and later on the charge of the light brigade
Both by his namesake Alfred Lloyd Tennyson
Yeah, the short and tall thugs who initially gree Alfred and London are named Burton Ernie after the Sesame Street characters
Alfred refers to the smash piece smashed piece of furniture as a
Louis quince quince quince quince being French for the number 15. I probably mispronounced that so it's a Louis the 15
Ah, this is the final of plant parents of red claw in the DC animated universe
It is not made clear she drowned in the river tens or was captured in imprisoned
Though the former appears more likely as she has not seen her heard from again
And red claw is being the villainous episode as we mentioned
She was also the first villain of the series and she last appeared in those episodes the cat and the claw parts one and two
What are y'all thoughts on this one?
I need more
Alfred as secret agent like this is my favorite
This is my favorite background for Alfred. I love the idea that he was
Used to be a british secret agent like he was James Bond when he was young that
Just like that man trade man James Bond isn't is a great idea there. Yeah, yeah
And it makes total sense and I could definitely see somebody who worked as a spy and then would just
With this retire from the spy life
To a humble position like being a bummer or an American like it makes so much sense that it gives
Alfred such a mystique and it makes sense that he would then be a good mentor for Bruce's Bruce becomes the Batman and that's true
And all over to end it as everything
Mm-hmm. Yeah, like this is like I said I don't know Batman how to fight originally before Batman learn a win under other masters
Right. I don't know when they when DC went with this
Backstory for Alfred. I'm guessing it might be like a post-crisis thing
Like don't know if they would have done this pre-crisis or whatever
But this is something that has cropped up in some form or another the first time I ever saw it was the show
Yeah, but like like it's hinted at it's not in the Burton and Schumacher movies. It's hinted at
I don't even think it's in the Nolan movies, but oh, maybe it is
I don't remember. It's hinted at in the the Snyder verse. Yes. Yes. The Snyder is obviously
It's a very obvious Alfred and that knows more than he's letting on. Yeah. Yeah, it's hinted at the Snyder verse
There was I could see it in in Nolan's thing too because Michael Cain I could see
Actually, maybe they did
Secret agents. Yeah. Oh, no, he mentioned he mentioned in the dark night that
He was on that he was doing something and that's where he met the person who had a jewel the size of a tangerine
Yeah, yeah, and did and when he was doing the whole some men just went to the world burn speech
Maybe that was what it was. Yeah, and then there was there was a live action show about young Alfred being a secret agent. Yeah
Yeah, they also they also mentioned that I think in Gotham, I believe they do mention that he was okay
He was I never watched a whole lot of Gotham. I think it's all like more or two episodes, but they do mention it
Right, so at some point this was done
I don't know if it was original to the cartoon and then they put it in the comics or whatever
That happened a lot, but at some point they said all that and honestly, I think that's that I love that for Alfred
I love the idea of this of the humble servant who used to be a really big deal
But he decided to stop being a big deal. Yeah
But he uses that experience to help the hero. Yes
Such a great idea. Yeah
Also, I swear this episode was on a ton because I remember seeing it a lot
Admittedly though this afternoon I did have to watch twice because I fell asleep in the middle of it because apparently I was tired
Obviously, I also wonder watching this episode if it might have subconsciously influenced my writing of my first novel because I too
Have a scene where truth serum is administered to a hero who then gives what sounds like a nonsense response to a question
That is in fact a secret code to unlock something that could be
So they picked up on that way too quickly in my opinion, but then you're they had time constraints. Yeah, that's true
So yeah
Yeah, I had a blast with this one
You know
Going to England was a nice change of me. Yeah, I agree
So one of the few episodes that goat leads Gotham that is true
Yeah, at least the United States for an extended time
Admittedly the British government is willing to work with batman really fast
I'm sure they've heard of him before. Well, yeah, but still they're just very willing to be like, okay, you deal with this
You you American who dresses like a funny little bat. Okay. Yeah
He just shows up and he like oh
Nobody questions it at all. Yeah, why are you here?
What me the new ask who are you? It's like well, I'm Batman. Oh, okay. That's fine. Oh, here's the here's the here's the layer
Here's everything. I'm like wow, okay. What would we listen to you because I can give you red claw who's red claw
Yeah, they they agree to work to work with him really fast. Yes
You know also project Excalibur is a pretty cool sounding. Yeah, but that's that's almost generic British mission
Number 32 basically anyway. Yeah, yeah, but the but they never questions like aren't you a little out of your jurisdiction?
Like I would have liked at least one line like that
Would be like back to your jurisdiction
See I have I talked with somebody and I kind of agree with him
We get later on with Justice League sure
That everyone's gonna know about Batman. Well, also he's not Batman from Batman 66 where he's actually part of the law and force true
true
Yeah, but I I was remember talking with somebody I think when I was in college about this
I'll like at least with like the DC universe because Marvel universe everybody's in New York
But yes, and the DC universe. It's he kind of says like I kind of like to think that there's like this unspoken jurisdiction
Where all the superheroes stay out of each other's cities unless they have to be there
That makes far more sense than the New York where it's like why isn't spider-man coming out to help daredevil
Because he's being he's busy with clones in another book in another part of the town
Yeah, we we want we want we're not talking about that. We don't talk about clone saga
Hey, no, no, no, no, anyway, I grew up with so okay
The story's awful. Oh, I know it's awful, but you've been Riley spider-man. You you scholar spider whatever
Yeah, but then they botched that
They bought it twice
To my knowledge, we still don't know which spider-man is the original of which is the clone
Because they changed it so many times
The clone was Ben I know it's kind of how you have to go with but no excuse me the clone what yeah, Ben
Yeah, the clone is actually doing right away. Yeah
Because they retconned it all the time because we love retcons around here. Look at it you jager the movie anyway
So
Anyways, so yeah next week
Our Batman episodes are going to be showdown and riddlers before
So join us next week with for that along with project Hill Mary
Nate tell us about where we can find you
Kind of for your shameless self promotion. I mean you kind of did it for me already
Really
Yeah, I was like you already did it for me, so I don't know if I really if I need to reiterate any of that
But I will say this film vault's been promoted like crazy. I agree Jimmy
So I will say check out the other show that's technically part of
Culture box, but we're running into some production issues and hopefully once we get all that take a care of we can
More adamantly callers as part of the culture book network, but Henshin power v3 we're three friends of three minutes to talk about took a satsu
I host that with my friends Chris senti guy
the oh wait, yeah Christopher
Reiner yeah
My brain is shutting down. I'm sorry. Yeah, Christopher sent like a Reiner and Jake the metal Don Hammbrick and in that one
We talk about Henshin hero television and our gimmick is that which we lovingly borrowed from another podcast
It we only have three minutes to talk about to each episode of television
And you know, so we got we got to really think fast and have our points together as you do
So give that one a listen
We're hoping to have our episodes on comment writer fives and the guiver and amaze out soon. So yes, we don't just talk about live action
And
We've got some fun plans in store for season two
Putting some guest episodes and we're going to get to our very first senti on the show
Mutei senti time ranger, which became
Power of your time force. Yep
Which had to be crazily edited because of September 11
Yes, you do as you do anyway, and then also check out my author website Nathan js marchin.com where you can learn about all of my
Writing as well as my podcast. I have a new book out right now collection short stories called the worlds of Nathan marchin volume two tales of the lost and lonely
So go those are all available on amazon and there's a full list of all my books on my website
So give that so go check that out. I'm a
Contributing writer to the website kaiji united
So you can go read my stuff on there including a very well received article where I went to a ray harry house in
Museum exhibit in
Michigan
So that was really cool. I share a birthday with ray harry house, which is why I do a ray harry house in episode
For my birthday raise and my friend Elijah Thomas is because we all have the same birthday
He's a fellow kaiji podcast or goes in the kaiji conversation
All right nice
And I'm also part of the
writing staff and the stable of actors for
Cyther podcasts and their super hero audio dramas. You can hear me notoriously as my former roommate
Rito on Power Rangers the audio drama
Of all people deadpool on xmen the audio drama although so far I've only ever been a post-credit guy
But I made such an impression at least two or three people asked me to play deadpool for their fan productions
Nice go figure
I'm not quite Ryan Reynolds, but apparently I'm getting up there and
You and then on Avengers the audio drama whenever they cross over with the fantastic four. I'm Johnny Storm, baby
So go give those a listen and as I said I'm also on the writing stuff
I produced an episode for them and I will be writing
An upcoming episode of Power Rangers the audio drama nice
Well, which is now Power Rangers zero the audio drama. Oh, they've gotten up with the zero era now
That's all the really important stuff. I would say
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