Healing Her Child's Vaccine Injuries | Chimene Mark

Hey folks, welcome back to Connected Minds, Christian Yordanoff here.

Today's guest is Shimen Mark.

We met with Shimen at an archipelago of 2026 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, I guess a month ago at this point.

And we just shared a cab together, but Shimen's story in terms of her journey with her child being injured by vaccines.

Kind of really struck me, so I thought I'd bring her on and just kind of talk about what that was like and then what what you did, you know, subsequently to, you know, help your child heal.

So let's get into it, Shimen. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Of course, welcome on very honor to join.

So let's, do you want to just give us a little bit of your kind of backstory, just so the listeners can, you know, have a little bit of context about who you are and so on.

Yes, okay. Well, let's see, I'm a biology and environmental science major.

And I work for a company called W. Silver Recycling and I also work, well, rep, I should say, for a few other companies, which is one is La Luz Wellness Clinic and they're based in in

Calonia La Bottom in Mexico. And then I also am part of a holistic directory here locally and it's called elevate holistic directory.

And basically, I just try to find clients for them, you know, to post in their directory. And I also sort of sign line as a rupor because I have a good friend.

I try to get roofing jobs for a friend of mine and so it's sort of a symbiotic relationship. We don't really trade money, we barter for things.

I love that. I love that.

And then, and that's what I do for a living, but I'm mainly a mom and a gardener. That's my passion.

I'm mom, I'm a mom and I garden and I provide help for my family. We, we, all of our food comes from the farm, as much as we can, our protein for sure.

And we just travel around and get a cow here and get a lamb there and bring it home. We have freezers where we can store that meat, but my journey started when I almost killed my baby.

And it's very hard to talk about. It was, it was a sad day, but I digress. So I have my child at home and I wound up having a hemorrhage, which when I got to the hospital, basically, I, you know, got a tile and all and maybe a pitocin or something.

I was, I was pretty much fine by the time I got to the hospital. And, but according to the midwise, when you find papers, you, you must have a hospital transfer if you lose so much blood. So they put me on an ambulance and off we went and we told the nurses to not vaccinate the baby.

So he got a vitamin K shot and he got a head B shot. I did not know this. I did not know that that's what happened. They took my baby and I didn't get to see him for six solid hours. It was almost like I was being punished for having my baby at home.

And they took him away and I kept on calling. Please bring my baby. Please bring my baby. They refused to bring my baby. The midwise showed up completely had a nervous breakdown.

She was like, where's your baby? I said, I haven't seen my baby. She's like, not even one. And nope, I haven't seen my baby. And she, and of course, I was very tired and I've never done this before.

So she raced off and got, got my baby and we went home a couple of days later back in the hospital. He has jaundice, severe jaundice for five days.

Well, I didn't realize that was a side effect of the vitamin K shot. It's like one of the first side effects of vitamin K shot has a black box warning, meaning you can die if you inject this vaccination.

So he was very damaged at that point that I had no correlation at the time. I was completely blind had no idea that that was happening.

So we go home, we recover a little bit. And then in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, you know, I'm just not going to take them to the two months visit for the other vaccines.

Because at this point, now I'm the pediatricians are really pushing the pediatrician that put us in the hospital with with the jaundice. Now he's really pushing these vaccinations like hardcore every time we had to see him. It was the vaccination.

And so at the two months visit, I wound up just giving him one. I don't remember which one it is. I can look at his record and tell you I wound up giving him one of the vaccine.

And still no correlation, but I just had a very sugary, rattling baby. And that's what you think you're going to get. I mean, you don't know the baseline. I've never had a child. I didn't grow up around kids.

So fast forward to the four months. I just had a weird feeling. I was like, no, I'm not going to do this. I don't think I should inject them.

And back then, or in Texas, in Texas, if the midwives told me any information about vaccines, they could literally get their license taken away. It was very sensitive because I, yes, I was questioning the midwives about vaccinations because I had remembered a childhood friend who wasn't vaccinated.

And I thought, wow, you know, that's interesting. Why didn't why did my neighbor not vaccinate her son? So I asked the midwives, should I vaccinate and they're like, we do not vaccinate our children.

Should I vaccinate mine? You have to make that own decision. You have to perform your own research and make that decision. We cannot guide you on that. You have to do it yourself.

And the poor midwives, they're like, you know, between a rock and a hard spot. They're stuck in. Of course, they want to tell me everything. But if I go and say something or it's this word gets out that they advised me not to vaccinate and say something happens to my baby. Well, then the state will come after them.

So that was good valid advice. Go research. Do your own research. But the problem was I had a full time job. And back then there was no internet. I didn't have internet at my house. You go to the library and look it up when you're working 80 hours a week.

How do you go to the library and look it up and what do you look up? The resources were just very limited back then. But I still had a feeling we.

What was that? This was in 2003. He was born June 2003 was in the hospital for five days within a week or two. He was in the hospital for five days. We only gave him one one shot his two months.

It was probably like, I don't even remember the shot. I have to look. You know, sometimes your mind. You just want to erase things.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, but anyway, if anyone needs proof, I have a record.

And then the before month, I skipped it because I had a gut feeling. I just had it. I had a feeling that this is something that we shouldn't do.

And then when he was six months, you know, there's protests is going around and oh, you know, the babies are dying at the hospitals and it was just very scary. And so, of course, I went in for one of his years.

Probably a well visit, you know, to make them sick.

I went in and I'm like, no, I just want this one. I see, you know, the protestors because they were pushing the vaccine. Oh, I went in because his little ear was hurting.

He was kept on rubbing his ear. And so I said, I don't want anything, but you know, it may be just the protestors that the babies are dying according to the news, right?

Or, you know, friends or whoever's telling me the babies are dying, scaring me to death.

And John, he was like, well, he needs antibiotics too. I said, no, I'm not here for antibiotics.

I'm here, you know, to just make sure he's going to be okay. Well, all of a sudden, the doctor came to nurses come. They're painting me against the wall.

I mean, literally, and they're like, your baby is going to die. He has a thousand needles banging in his brain right now because you refuse to give them antibiotics.

He needs it. He's going to be suffering. And he needs it. And I was like, whoa, okay, well, the next thing you know, they come with a tray of of needles. And I don't, I'm not a doctor. I don't know what those things are.

I, I consented, but I didn't know to what they did not explain to me what they were giving him.

Well, they gave, they gave him the upshot of all the vaccine teamists plus the current ones plus a flu shot, which isn't even, I don't even know why they gave him flu shots, but I know I could kill him.

No, I, I shouldn't say that. And they gave him an antibiotic shot.

So he was screaming. We were holding him down. It was terrifying. That last needle wasn't even out of his leg.

And he passed out cold, absolute sympathy, unresponsive. He did not wake up for two hours. And that doctor threw me out of that office so fast, he said, oh, your baby just needs a little nap.

I was freaking out. And I said, no, if he's not napping, he was like, keep napping. Don't disturb him. Let him sleep. He needs the rest. He will wake up. And I'm like, I remember driving home, just falling. And I'm, I'm just little, you know, because in the US, you put the babies in the car seat behind you.

I'm grabbing his little leg and I'm shaking his leg and all the way home. And he's not waking up and not waking up. And I'm just standing over them and watching him. And he wakes up with the loudest scream like, and he's screaming at the back of his, just from the bottom of his lungs and he's arcing his back in, he's in so much pain.

And it's wintertime. So he has a onesie on you. So I go to change his diaper because he's waking up. I go to change. And his legs have like these giant, it looks like giant mosquito bites.

Someone has a reaction to a mosquito bite like it gets raised and hot and then that center poke and it gets your skin's all hot and red and firm. He has these mosquito bites literally the size of his size. And and within

this is terrible, but moms need to know this. It's this, they get this diarrhea and it's, I call it industrial diarrhea. It is the oddest color. It's like a petrol color like from a chemical, it's a chemical color.

It's a weird yellow, orangey thing. Nothing like I've ever seen before. It burns, it burns them because all of a sudden, he has these rashes that are as thick, just thick, nasty rashes and that, and it just smells so awful.

So moms will know exactly what you're talking, especially if it's a breastfed baby. All of a sudden, he has diarrhea, then he's vomiting and off to the pediatrician we go and they give us Tylenol, they give us some inhaler and we come home with all kinds of prescriptions.

There's a little minions trying to cure our baby and we're giving the baby every, his name is Zeeland, we're giving him every, everything that that the doctor gives us and then exactly to the three week mark, which they say vaccine injury, that average timeframe is three weeks from that shot.

Within, I'd say two weeks in a few days, he went into respiratory failure, back in the hospital. Back in the hospital and he has respiratory failure, we were there for another three days, we get out, I fire that doctor, I fire that doctor, I run as fast as I can and I find, I find a beautiful pediatrician that never harass us about vaccines again.

So that doctor's gone, at the hospital, this nurse, and if I knew who she was, I would buy that woman a house and a property and a garden.

She, she sidelined me and she said, listen, I told, I told the hospital, those vaccinations, filled my baby, he was perfectly fine.

And I told the story to this nurse about him passing out and then missing that and then the rest of the respiratory failure, the rattling, the coughing, I mean, he was like vomiting, clam, oh, we'd give him Tylenol and he would throw it up and it would hit the wall.

Like literally four feet of vomit just went straight to the wall and splattered all the way down in my husband and I were like, what is happening?

So I'm telling the nurse what has happened in the past three weeks and she said, listen, you can't ever vaccinate your baby again.

She said, your baby would die. One more injection, your baby said, he went, he had an anaphylaxis reaction and it's a compound effect.

That's when I learned what compound effects was, you know, you can take one chemical, you're fine, you take another chemical, it backs up like a traffic jam.

The dam of water, you take another chemical, your body can't release it fast enough.

And so she said, don't you dare do that to your baby, I'm telling you right now you'll have a dead baby and I don't and I'm not hitting, I'm being serious.

And so she ignited that fire in me and she said, there's a clinic in Chicago, contact this clinic, she gave me the number and she said, call this lady, she's my friend.

It's a vaccine detox clinic in Chicago and they specialize in vaccine detoxification.

So this is where you had a landline, you didn't even have a cell phone.

Okay. And or I didn't anyway.

Or it may, okay, I take it back, I had a cell phone, but it was my work phone and you couldn't make long calls like that, it was very expensive.

So I'm getting on my landline and I called this nurse and she answered and I told her the story, I told her that this nurse recommended her and she said, all right, come out here.

I'm checking you in, do you have $15,000?

No, I mean, this was $2003, $15,000 was like $50,000.

No, we don't want it. And no, I don't. And I'm working, I'm working from home, even though, even though I had the baby, I was still, I still told my job, I would work from home, I never quit working.

And so I immediately started bawling and crying, I didn't have the money, I didn't have the time and I didn't have the time off.

And she asked me a lot of questions about my health, about my background, what I did for a living.

I mean, she really took a deep dive into my lifestyle and she said, listen, she said, you're a good patient.

She said, you, you, the way you have answered me, she said, I believe that you will truly follow my recommendation.

I said, yes, yes, ma'am, I'm going to follow your recommendations.

And I said, well, what do I have to do? Can we do something, you know, over the phone or something cheaper program or what?

And she said, after hours, I will call you and I will consult with you after hours that you have to do everything I say.

And I said, of course, so she called me for three days in the row, we sat on the phone for two or three hours after her work.

And she said, go to your pantry, you pull out every single box and you tell me what you have.

And you have a trash can and then you have a box that you're going to put back into your pantry.

And I said, okay, we emptied the pantry. I had two items left there.

And she said, don't ever eat that crap again. She taught me about ingredients.

Never accept an MSG or an auto license extract.

And there are over in the US, there's over 356 names that they call MSG.

So a package in the US can say no MSG, but it has auto license extracts.

The same is the same darn thing.

She taught me all that. She taught me about all the dyes, about every chemical, about the preservatives, about box food.

She said, go get raw milk. Well, at that time in Texas, it was very against the lot to sell or buy raw milk.

I put you in the clink right quick. And she said, go find raw milk.

Go find, never eat grocery store meat again.

Do not eat grocery store meat or restaurant meat. Well, it's hard to do.

We have to do it every once in a while, but this is for your main lifestyle and your main source of protein.

She said, go to the farm and get eggs, grow a garden. Done already had a garden growing.

That's not a problem. My family has always been gardeners.

That was the easiest thing for me to do.

She was like, whole food, juice, detox bath, binders, and she treated mother and baby as one unit.

She said, you guys are one and the same. You've got to detox just as much as she has to detox.

And so we started on that detox program.

And he got a little better, a little better.

And he finally, I mean, he was looking healthy and everything.

But for four solid years, his lungs rattled.

Like, I would take him to the doctor because it would sound, people would say, what's going on?

It was the weirdest rattle. It sounded like he had an actual rattle in his lungs and it never stopped.

For four years, but that's it was his lungs releasing those chemicals.

It just took four years for the chemicals to get out of his body.

And he was a tough, tough child. He was very challenging.

And he was smart in school.

He always made stellar grades. He was very smart in school.

He was a very good athlete.

But if that kid, if we did not have him running 24, 7, I mean,

he would literally drive us crazy because he was very hyper.

Again, boys, he was a boy and he was a child and children should be hyper.

Thank goodness we lived on an acre and we let her run.

You know, we got a zip line, we got a trampoline, we got a playhouse.

And that really cultivated his energy to, you know, be able to expend it because he was mentally very challenging.

Until age 10 to 11, that's when I say he was detoxed.

Because he would get in loops. He'd be like, round, round, round.

He wouldn't, he would get in the loop of wanting something or needing something or how to an idea.

And he wouldn't, I couldn't get him out of the loop.

And I'd say, you're looping, you're looping, you're looping, stop looping.

And so by 10 or 11, nothing, he's never looped again.

So I feel at that time frame is when the majority of the chemicals were released enough for him to be himself.

Wow.

So, and we just, if I have a garden, you can see all the plants in the house.

I mean, we have a garden in the house, we have a garden in the back.

And I started, you know, we make all of our own teachers, we have teas, we are plant-based, plant-based.

I don't want to say medicine because that's a plant-based health.

But whenever there's an ailment, there's a plant or a mineral or something of the earth for that.

Every pharmaceutical is a synthesis of nature.

It's a synthetic of nature.

So why not just go back to nature?

So basically this nurse had us go back to nature.

And that was the best thing for our family.

And I was hardcore.

I didn't allow my children going back to nature.

I didn't even allow them to watch television.

They didn't have video games until my son was old enough to buy one with his own money.

They didn't have video games.

They didn't get to watch TV.

Maybe one hour here and there, but never on the daily.

The summers were spent televisions off.

I mean, literally, the kids just revealed to me over a holiday, not long ago, that when they said, mom,

when you would go to the grocery store and leave us.

Because, you know, there at a certain age, once there's a certain age in the US, you can leave them.

Once we were at age for me to leave them to go to the grocery store, they said, mom, we want to confess.

Every time you do the grocery store, we would turn on the television.

And I was like, I know, I know you would.

And they were like, wow.

And I said, well, when you, when the television's on and it just gets turned off, you can walk over to it and touch it.

And it goes, you know, it gives you a spark.

It gives you electricity.

And so I would come right in and I would go, and you know, it would do warm.

And the electricity would be there.

But I wouldn't say anything because they were entertained while I was gone.

And that's their disabled making their own little decisions.

And I would, I would turn on the TV and later.

And they were watching appropriate content.

So, so that was okay.

No television, outside play, get in the dirt, kick off your shoes, get in the sunshine.

You know, have your plants and your minerals and your cheese and zero Tylenol, let the fevers burn.

If anybody had a fever, they burn.

If they were sick, bath, fluids, and pray for the fever.

Because the fever really does take care of all kinds of business in the body.

Yeah.

And now they're, they're thriving my second son.

He only got the vitamin K shot because at the time I still had it correlated the vitamin K with the jaundice.

It was only two years behind my other son.

And I still didn't have all the information.

Like I knew, I knew I shouldn't vaccinate, but I still hadn't read all the information that I have today.

So my second son did get the vitamin K shot.

But nothing else because they presented it as a vitamin.

And so by the time my daughter came around, I knew better.

And she has zero.

But since my, since my son was six months old, we've never done Tylenol ibuprofen or any over the counter, anything ever.

Yeah, that's amazing.

And you know, it's just, I think your story, it's great that it has a happy, let's just say a happy end to that, all that horror.

The, the, you know, the horrific part, though, is it's millions, I guess tens of millions of families and children now.

Unfortunately, they are, you know, basically damaged for life by, but in some of these cases with these vaccines, it's absolutely.

I cannot think of a more heinous, horrific crime against humanity.

No, right now going on at a mass scale.

It's the uninformed consent.

They didn't even tell me what they were injecting into my baby.

They did not explain it.

They, they pinned me against the wall, literally three of them.

And then they brought the tray in.

They did not give me any side.

They didn't tell me, oh, the vitamin K shot has a black box warning.

Or, you know, the, the heat, he got the detox.

The, he didn't, he didn't get the MMR.

He got the detox, the flu shot.

I don't know.

I'd have to look at that thing.

I just try to avoid it at all costs, but, but the uninformed consent is unsanite.

I believe someone who really truly believes in vaccines and they truly believe that's going to save them.

Well, that's their choice, but they should be informed of what could happen to their body.

If they, if they inject that material, all you have to do is look at the manufacturer's inserts.

And they tell you exactly what's going to happen to your body.

But, but that's the thing.

Like, I would probably, if you lined up, you know, a hundred pediatricians right now.

I doubt that most of them would even know what's in these damn things.

Seriously.

No.

And, and, and I was railroaded by my friends.

There was people in town that said that, that my children will not be allowed to play with their children because they're unvaccinated and have the diseases.

I mean, that was, that's, I was like, but we'll off with you.

Like, excuse me, you injected the diseases.

You have a hundred percent chance of having the diseases.

You injected them, you know, my kids are fine.

And just, just, you know, people will say, well, what, what if your kids, you know, something's going to be wrong with them if they don't get the vaccine?

No, no.

Even, even as damaged as Zeeland was, he graduated with honors.

He graduated most valuable player, you know, and, and he's got state recognition as well as citywide recognition.

He, I fixed him.

Yeah.

If you, if you don't do it, you don't have to fix anything.

But, but if you can recognize and open your eyes, you can fix them.

And also, can I just, sorry, sorry to interrupt here.

This is actually another subtle way the parents get.

I just, I have plenty of parents that have kind of worked and communicated with over the years.

Where they stop doing a bunch of the things like, you know, organic acid testing and, you know, just making sure the diet is really clean, really organic and no shitty junk food and taking plenty of supplements.

They stop doing that because I don't know how they do it.

It's some kind of spell that the, at least kind of the autism community.

There's, there's a contingent of parents that shame those people because they are then saying,

you, there's something wrong with you.

You are not accepting the child that God gave you.

And you're trying to fix your child.

That is unbelievably, unbelievably messed up.

It's not a superpower.

Yeah.

No, it's not.

No, it's not a superpower.

Unbelievable.

It's no, it's not a superpower.

Their brain is damaged.

You know, and then, and I also feel like it should be some sort of law.

If you are methylene tetral hydrofolate reductase positive, it's MTHF are positive that you should be documented in all, like your whole file that you should never be vaccinated.

Because that's where you have the blood vein barrier that the chemical can pass.

Your blood vein barrier isn't intact when you have that genetic condition.

It's, and he did my son had that.

I found out out much later.

And that is what happened to him because it's like, oh, my kids took the vaccine and they're fine.

Well, are they going to have an S later?

Are they going to have rheumatoids?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or asthma.

Or asthma.

I, you know, you don't know that for many, many years.

And again, it's a compound.

And on those injections, just make your body sick.

How can flammaldehyde, polysorbate 80, the roundup that they put in the vaccine?

You know, they put the roundup in there.

Feet of cells.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bowvine caterpillar.

The Darby is the canine.

It's the copper spaniel.

Yeah.

They have the chicken, the chicken in there.

It's.

Yeah.

It's disgusting.

Yeah.

And then in order to make the vaccine, they have to harvest live babies and harvest their organs for the vaccine research.

Really?

Yeah.

Literally, they're harvesting live fetuses.

And the fetuses are having their organs removed while they're alive.

Yeah.

Like what kind of sinister crazy business is that?

And then you're injecting those into your babies and yourself?

Listen, I had all my vaccines.

My parents followed the CDC schedule.

I traveled and backpacked in the third world countries.

I went.

I packed through Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, and Honduras.

Every time I got on the plane, my parents or my mom took me to the doctor.

And I don't even know what I got.

I probably have this.

I don't even know.

I was sick all the time.

And what the parents receive is provided to the children.

So he was already loaded.

I, I got a flu shot while I was pregnant.

Okay.

So I'm not coming from a place of shame.

I'm coming from a place of knowledge because I did it.

I did that.

They told me my baby was going to die if I didn't get the flu shot because the flu is going around.

And if you get the flu, your baby will die and you'll spontaneously abort it.

Do you want that?

I'm like, well, no.

And they're like, we're here.

And I'm like, okay, you know, okay.

And I didn't even.

I was just following blindly a first time mom.

I had no family or there's no support in this area.

And everybody was doing it.

And so that's what I was told.

And I did it.

And so I think that flu shot was the first of.

That was what got the ball rolling.

Mm hmm.

He was already damaged.

Yeah.

From that shot.

And when I stopped all that business is when I got better.

When I, when we, when we stopped all the Tylenol, stopped all the ibuprofen.

I was just a normal person puffing pills in college.

You would go to the clinic in college because you had a cold and you needed to study for your tested two days

and you can't handle this cold.

I took everything they gave me.

I would go mountain biking and get poison ivy.

I don't know how many cortisol shots they gave me.

You're supposed to only have three in your life.

Is it one?

Six or eight.

People are taking those things daily that those corticosteroids in some cases it's insane.

Mm hmm.

And, and, but you didn't know.

I mean, I understand these people blindly.

But the thing is, once I received the information,

I, you have to internalize it.

You have to receive the information and be open-minded.

And you also have to go on testimonials.

Like, I would, if my midwives could have, if the state would have allowed them to guide me on vaccinations.

And if they could have told me everything, that would have changed my world.

But they couldn't.

I would have heated that advice.

And I remember how disappointed my midwife was when she found out I got the flu shot.

And I, I was like, I, I couldn't understand, I, I felt the disappointment,

but I didn't understand it and she didn't explain it.

But I should have read between the line.

Mm hmm.

I should have read it.

But, but you're scared and you're, you're tired and, you know, the baby's coming.

And, and they tell you he's going to die.

Well, I did it any almost I didn't wait.

Just like my shirt.

I was like, you know, you're going to have to vaccinate your kids.

We did rest in peace.

Oh, yeah, let's, let's, let's talk about.

So, just for the listeners, before we start recording, she mentioned showed me her shopping t-shirt collection.

Do you want to run us through what you have written on your t-shirts for your shopping trips?

Yes, I love to wear my, my information, my informative t-shirt shopping.

So I have one that says, vaccinate your kids, we did rest in peace.

And, you know, the last tag, not rare.

And it has a list of all that, you know, the kids that are under this program that pretty much died acutely.

Like, within a few days of their vaccine, like it was a wild business.

And then I have a, a shirt and they're all printed front and back.

So if you're, if you're walking towards me or walking behind me, you see.

And it's okay.

Yeah.

We feel like an army.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, put your mask up here and set it down there.

Yeah.

And so I have one that says, repeal the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986,

which Ronald Reagan, our president, signed that act that rendered all vaccine manufacturers not liable for vaccine injury.

Because the manufacturers told the government, we are going to halt production on vaccines.

We're getting sued and they're all winning.

We're losing money.

We're not making money on the vaccination.

Yeah.

So we're done here.

And the government was like, oh, let's protect you.

So you don't have to go to court.

And so now.

And, and, and doctors don't know that.

And most parents don't know that.

Another uninformed sort of consent piece.

Yes.

Doctors don't know that parents don't know that.

And then after that act was put in place back and manufacturers weren't liable.

Well, the families kept on coming in drove.

And so then they created the VAERS.

They created the vaccine adverse effect.

Reports.

The constituents of the United States pay for that program.

Our tax dollars pay for that program.

One percent of vaccine injuries are reported to VAERS.

One percent.

Yes.

And you in the United States, you may not file a court case without a VAERS ID.

You have to have a VAERS ID before any court will even open a case for you.

So one percent gets reported.

One percent gets a court case.

And one percent of the court cases received monetary value for their injuries.

We've paid out over a five billion dollars.

Yeah.

I was going to say four billion, but I guess it's five billion.

Like it was four billion before 2020.

So I mean, it's around five billion.

So if you multiply that by a hundred twice, we're talking.

I don't even know those numbers.

I'm not a great guy, but that's insane.

So if you want to give grace to the program, we have to say, let's say 90.

You can multiply that by 90%.

Because now we are giving them one to 10% grace.

Because now that COVID came around, more people entered into the VAERS.

And you know our VAERS craft at least twice.

I think maybe a third time, I'm not sure.

But we craft the system after the COVID shots in like April of 2021.

We craft VAERS.

Because so many people were online at the same time entering their injuries.

And so now we give it grace.

We, you know, back then it was one percent that was reported.

Now let's give it grace 10% that's reported.

Well, that leaves the 90% still missing.

So if you go to the VAERS and you look at the 40,000 people that died times that by 90.

Let's do that.

So 40,000 people that are reported.

I think it might be 38,000.

Let's give it 38.

I don't know if it's gotten to 40, but it's climbing.

It could be 40.

Now I haven't looked at it in months.

But let's just say 38.

So I'm not lying.

Okay.

Times 90% because only 10%.

Okay.

Wow.

That's like 3,420,000 people dead because of that shot.

It's just a warning.

According if you apply, you know, loose bio stuff.

So anyway.

Another t-shirt is my Macroetry Tourist t-shirt.

Health is cultivated, not injected.

That's a good one.

People really say it.

That's hard.

And then I have.

I have my force to comply shirt with the mask on.

And I really don't have to wear that anymore because you know, we've been unmasked.

mask, but I wore that everywhere during masking times. Yeah. And you had more though. Oh,

oh, I have, oh, the, um, the national vaccine, um, I went to the VIE event, the vaccine

entry epidemic event with still big tree, um, RFK, Suzanne Humphries. Um, there was a lot of the big

hitters there. So I wear that one. And that's about it. Yeah. Oh, the my mama bear. I have my, my,

where my mama bear shirt around. And I usually have my mama bear shirts. I have several mama bear

shirts. And I wear them when I'm going in front of the school board. Wow. The, you know, but like,

this is, this is the thing, this is the thing, right? So if stuff like this happens and you learn

some stuff, I think it's so important for us, all of us to spread the word, spread the message. It

doesn't matter what it's about. It whether it's about vaccine injury, whether it's about, you

know, glyphosate in the food supply, whatever the case is, right? Because unless we do that,

you're not going to go to Google. Hey, is the government and the farmer industry trying to

poison my kids? You know, I mean, like, go to Google and go, go search through the first 100 pages

of results. See how much luck you have finding a counter narrative, right? So I think it's

important to spread awareness to other people. And so again, like, you can't change someone's mind

because here's the thing. And I've thought about this a lot over the years since, you know,

my first book, like I said, to you earlier, was an autism. So I've seen what these parents,

some of them are like when they don't want to admit that it could have been the vaccines that

contribute, at least contribute, not necessarily downright caused it, you know? Because it's usually

a number of other things that that were happening on top of everything. But what happens is they

get vaccinated. So they're damaged. So then they're reacting, right? They're sick. They're,

you're, you're skin and your lungs are the last to produce. So, you know, they get a fever.

That's why that's why they say, oh, if your kid gets a fever or your child gets a fever,

just give them Tylenol. No, you are, they're just further damaging. They're just beating the dead

once when you give a Tylenol after a vaccination. And that's common ground. And toggle with

ibuprofen. And so, but they, but listen, I went back to my doctor and I said, the vaccines did

thatness and absolutely not your abs. I mean, they literally acted like I was insane. I have a

t-shirt for that. That's the other t-shirt I just found it. And it says, the good thing about science

is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. And my aunt gave me this. My aunt gave me that

shirt. And so, you know, you can tell the parents all about the science and they're still not

going to believe it. And they don't understand that these researchers are paid to produce the

result of the house, which is paying them whatever, whatever corporation is paying them to get

those good results like the cigarette companies pay the scientists to say that cigarettes do not

cause damage or cancer. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they were recommending, I don't know, where do you

live, where are you from? Portugal. Oh, well, well, I don't know how the advertisement went back

back in the 50s and 60s for you guys, but literally there are pregnant women smoking mobbles or,

you know, doctors prefer camels if you're pregnant. I know it's literally the doctors have the

women smoking. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, so it's so difficult. Imagine you imagine you're doing

something to your kids or to yourself, whether that's eating a specific way that's potentially harmful

or, you know, interventions that are harming your kids. Like the human ego,

it's main role is to maintain stasis. So it wants to defend itself. So if you come in for many

angle with any amount of information, it's so normal for us to immediately have this knee-jerk

reaction. No, you must be wrong. Here are the reasons why. And the problem, the problem is that

from what I've seen, anyone, any human that is intellectually honest and actually doesn't

honest sort of, let's just say objective, unbiased, look into vaccines, into vaccines properly.

No more than just, oh, but the CDC said there's one theory already in the air and there's

aluminum in the cheese. So if they actually look at it properly, no person, no person that hasn't

over 80 is going to vaccinate themselves or their kids, not one single person that's not mentally

retarded. Exactly, you would stop deadpan. If you just looked at it, you would stop. All you have

to do is read the manufacturer's inserts, read them, they tell you, yeah, it's just it blows my mind.

Listen, I have this one, I don't even know if she was a friend back then if she could even say this,

but I was breastfeeding my baby and he was about a year and she said, when are you going to

quit breastfeeding? And I'm like, whenever I feel like it, and let me digress, that nurse that

saved our lives, that saved my life, my baby's life, she told me, whatever you do, you breastfed

for a minimum of 2.5 years, minimum. And I did, I breastfed each child 2.5 years by the time

my first one son was 2.5 years, I was already well into my pregnancy with my second. So it's like,

I put down one baby and picked up another baby and then the other one came two years and my

next later, I put down that baby and I picked up this one. So I breastfed for seven and a half

years without stopping. So I really think that that provided the foundation and the nutrition.

And when they're 2.5 years old, they don't breastfeed every five minutes like a newborn,

they pop on at night to go to bed or you know, in the morning when they wake up during the day,

it's a moot point, they're not after you all day. My kids never tried to breastfeed in public or

do anything weird. They have all these ideas of dragging your toddler on the boob for the grocery

store. No, that's not how it happens. It's a very private. I don't know if you've actually looked

at compared formula ingredients in the USA versus in Europe. But someone, I saw a picture somewhere,

the difference between what's in the US formula. Look, listen, when my wife was pregnant, I had

an inkling of an idea to buy some certified organic formula just in case. So then our midwife

advised us to just, no, don't, you'll be fine. But even, and I'm so glad she did say that because

even the certified organic garbage had just crap, like a sunflower oil, sunflower oil. But,

but when I saw a label of a US one, it had not only a good, I don't, 20, 30% more ingredients,

but it was like soybean oil. It was basically just glorified poison, poison, just poison,

poison. It's disgusting. Like, unbelievably disgusting. I know. I know. And then they shame you

for pointing out the shit that it is because what about those bodies that can't breastfeed you monster?

No, but you know what? Like, back in the day, people, people would use like colostrum,

cow's milk, you know, raw milk. I forget the name of those women to do that.

You know, there's women that's kind of like their job and not a wet nurse. Yeah. So then you

were actually like, by not only is it healthier for your child, but you're actually helping somebody,

you know, make a few extra bucks, make an income. So it's kind of like a community aspect that

they want to divide and sort of remove all of these things that, you know, we used to do,

and we were a hell of a lot healthier, you know, two to 400 years ago, 500 years ago, whatever

the case is. So it's kind of like every, it seems like they thought every angle how to like

scare the bejesus out of parents. So they vaccinate when they're tired, when they're stressed,

when they don't know what they're doing with a new baby. And then it just continues. And then

at the first sign of fever, oh, you got to stop the fever. It's the healing, that's the healing

mechanism in the body. Literally the healing mechanism. And they're teaching us to stop it

from as soon as even we were kids, a lot of our parents were like that too. So it's so messed up,

man, so messed up. It's so messed up. And going back to the wet nurse in community,

there's a community down here in Mexico and they're Americans that own the con farms down in

Mexico. And so they spend around, you know, six months in Mexico with their con farms and then

they have their businesses in the US. Well, this one family was traveling, had a car accident,

and the mom broke her legs and was in the hospital for a couple of weeks, like getting fixed

in her surgeries and whatnot. And she was nursing a nine month old baby. Her community took her

baby and the nursing mothers all spent time with the baby nursing until she got out of the hospital.

And maybe she was in the hospital a month. It seemed like a very long time. But the community kept

that baby alive, kept her on the breast, kept the baby on the breast. The baby never got a bottle.

And when the mom was out of the hospital, the community gave the baby back to the mama. Wow.

That story was beautiful. And it just happened a couple of years ago. So there are communities that

are rallying around each other and are helping and supporting the natural way of life.

That's the other thing. I think all of these like flu shots and all the sort of antibiotics and

things like that that women are given just in general, like young women giving birth today.

They're generally, you know, I'll say on average, maybe there's of course there's exceptions

plus minus, but on average, they're a lot less healthy than their moms and of course,

their grandmothers. So I think a lot of the breastfeeding problems, they're stemming from malnutrition,

stress, hormonal imbalances. So if you look, if you go to like a more natural

part and I've helped, you know, quite a few women either prepare for pregnancy, recover from

pregnancy. So I know what and of course my wife, you know, we went through that like at a very

intimate level. So I know what like, like there's a lot of remedies to help, you know, just

whether that's if you want to speed up the, you know, improve the birding process, the recovery process,

simulate breast milk production. I mean, there's so many like natural remedies we can use,

that they want to completely divorce from those and at the same time dependent on their synthetic

shite basically. It's, yes, they want to say we don't dependant and ignorant. They, they,

we're not going to stand for it. No, no, no, no, no, and there are communities out there,

people are waking up, people are ascending in their thought process, they're understanding,

they're realizing, you know, they're realizing what is making them sick and they're moving towards

better health. I have found so many new, healthily minded or health-minded communities that want

to eat healthily and have a healthy lifestyle. And I'm so thankful for that. I was accused of

child abuse because I didn't vaccinate my kids. I mean, literally, they, I was a child abuser

enough. And I'm just looking at them like, you're injecting chemicals into your baby's bloodstream,

you're injecting the diseases. They're all aluminum. Literal aluminum. The, the, the, the

marisol, everything, the heavy metals. And you know, they put the glycospated or the roundup

in the vaccine because they don't want it to grow mold and plant. Yeah. I mean, that's just so

gross. Like how nasty it are those things. Yeah. And but they, they think they're healthy. Oh,

back to that story. A friend of mine, you know, she was like, ooh, when are you gonna,

when are you gonna quit breastfeeding? And I said, I don't know, whenever I decide and she was like,

well, everybody knows vaccines replace the nutrition of breast milk after six months. And I was like,

okay, I don't think I can be your friend. Yeah, I think sometimes, yeah, that doesn't even compute.

I think sometimes, you know, like, and you know, how I look at it nowadays, like sometimes,

let's say I'm on my whatever channels, I get like a comment from someone that's completely deranged.

Like, maybe accusing me, accusing me that I am on the Illuminati's payroll and I'm telling people

to eat more carbohydrates so that they can sleep better and their libido has a chance of recovering

and their stress is low. You know what I mean? Like just the most stupid stuff, right? But so when I

see comments like that, when I hear people say just the most, just really does not compute segments,

to me, I no longer allow it to irritate me. I'm like, it's like imagine you let's say you're out

on the street and you meet a drunk person or someone that is clearly insane, like, you know, like

away with a fairy-style person, well, you're not going to take that to personally. So I wouldn't

in these situations anymore, I don't take these things personally, I'm like, you know what,

we simply do not align with our views and values. Therefore, I never need to speak to you again.

Yeah, delete. Take care of all the best. Take care. Take care of all the best. And in many cases,

I think wishing these people good luck is also a good idea because if you trust the government,

a big pharma with your health, you are screwed with a capital F. That's it. Yeah, you're screwed

to the capital F. I mean, and the hamster wheel, if they go down, it's like they're just getting

sicker and sicker and piling on more meds, piling on more meds, chasing more doctors, chasing more

doctors. Yeah. It's a wild, wild, wild business. And so I'm curious. It's quite a corner.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, like this is taught dependency since we were babies. I remember,

I don't know if this was vaccine related. I had a few vaccines as I was growing up, you know,

that I remember. But I remember, and I shared, I think I shared the story at my workshop

at an archipelago or somewhere I hadn't talked about this before. But it kind of, I remember

that recently. So I had this phase in my life. I was maybe, I don't know, 7, 8, I don't remember.

But I got these spots, like almost like chicken pox, but it's just like, I had a lot of malaise,

a lot of fatigue, and I was normal healthy child. So now in hindsight, I'm like, could that have

been actually been a vaccine injury? So my mother was taking me to all these doctors, all kinds of

as much as Bulgaria post communism had. And we had no success. She was like at her with

her hand. And then finally, she took me to some lady that apparently was more like a nutrition

focus and keep in mind back in the day, like my parents and especially my grandparents,

they couldn't name like five vitamins and minerals. You don't mean like that's how immigrants,

people generally were in pre-internet, you know, all that stuff. But anyway,

so that woman that lady, that doctor, she just told my mother, just give him potatoes.

And keep in mind that a lot of those potatoes were just like the way I love them, my favorite was

cooked in some flour oil. So it wasn't even like optimal. But that eating just potatoes, I don't know

for how long it was. I was actually enjoying all the French fries that I was eating. That actually

allowed that to heal. It did the trick. But they don't have a lot of minerals in them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. But also, I think just the elimination that

of whatever was triggering my immune system, that probably helped. And of course,

seed oils are immunosuppressive, so that could have helped in a not so good way. But the point

is that even then, like, she was at her with send, didn't know what to do with her child.

And she was just going from doctor to doctor to doctor. And she would have done

anything that those doctors say. Now, where do most people, most parents go now? They go to the

you know, quote unquote, conventional medical establishment. And what are those doctors

to up with? Well, there's cortisol mimicking chemicals, right? So hydro cortisol, that's literally

cortisol mimicking chemicals that suppress the immune system. Antibiotics that, you know, a lot of

the time they're not needed. And then it just like Tylenol, it's suppressive of symptoms. So

drug drugs that suppress the symptoms while the underlying cause or issue festers. So those are

like the main tools these people have. That's a good way. It just enters and grows. Yeah, yeah.

So that those are the things they have. And those are the options the parents think they have. They

don't know about many many people don't know about these other options, not the listeners to this

podcast, not your friends, of course, but like the huge 10, 20, hundreds of millions of normal

people, you know. So that's like, and this is again, from a very early age, this is we're taught,

this is it. That's your options. We can we will manage your symptoms. That's the best that the peak,

the pinnacle of science in medicine has is to manage your symptoms until you die. And that's

managed. Well, no, that's not like right now. I mean, I think back how I felt in my 20s when I

was, you know, compounded with all of medications and travel vaccines. And, you know, I'm having to

work at 80 hours a week. And so then you take the antibiotics to get over the, the whatever,

really quick. I mean, I was I was flying blindly too. I was one. That was I, I it seemed, you

know, and I got out of it. I you can you can get out of it. You can learn to trust your body.

It can be scary. I think that they don't have enough knowledge and they don't trust their body

and they, and they trust what other people say. But let me tell you, I didn't talk about

Z one's injury to anyone. I mentioned to a few people, yeah, the vaccines put us in the hospital.

Oh, that, oh, please, that oak come on. You, you're just trying to blame something.

Your baby's just sick. You're not taking responsibility.

You're, yes, I was flandered. You know, we were, we were told we were abusing the kids.

They told I was labeled crazy. Back to nut.

Uh, it really, it's hard. And I can see where people, even if they try to start on that path,

how they get very easily derailed. Birds of the feather flock together like, you know, uh,

misery loves company. Someone doesn't want to see you trying to get healthier. They almost want

you to be in the same state they are. It's like, yeah, yeah, they won't support you because they

don't understand it. But they, they almost don't even want that for you. Like they don't want to

see you bloom and thrive in a weird way. So I, there was a lot of the delete buttons going on with

people that I moved to my, to my face. And, um, we, uh, we were railroaded as a family.

Some family members came to us in 2016 and said that we needed to provide proof of the

cities. Uh, we need to provide, provide proof that our children are vaccinated as per the CDC

schedule and that they have all their updates because if they get polio and die,

we'll be disinherited and they will never talk to us again. And I'm like, this is in 2016,

16 years later, after I've been doing this. And I mean, my kids are the epitome of health.

They're perfectly, you know, they have muscles and they're strong and, and they're smart. My,

my, my middle son, you know, he graduated with all kinds of honors. He's got a scholarship at,

at the university. I mean, nobody, none of my kids brains were damaged from not taking vaccine.

I mean, the whole consensus was, I was damaging my children. That's what, that's what they

presented to me. And so, you know what? Like you said, delete, sorry, it's, oh, you can't know me.

I must have sat on the phone and the block, the block button got pressed by my ass as a set

on my phone. Sorry. Yes. And so between 2016 and 2019, boy, did I get rid of about 20 people in

my life? Like I just off with them. I just, I just, you know what? I just moved to another dimension.

It's crazy. I never, I never, I never run into them at the grocery store. I just decided I live,

I live on a different plane than they do. And they can't enter my world because they were constantly

trying to derail it. They were constantly telling me I was doing wrong. They were constantly

telling me I was a bad mom because, you know, I didn't give them Tylenol when they had fever.

Oh, this is a good story about ingredients. This is, this is my, this is the moment where not only

I knew I was correct, it was such a, a haunt moment because it was a scientific study that was

performed right before my eyes. The kids, I think it was six boys total. I don't think it was seven.

Six boys total were invited to a birthday sleepover. So, and it's very good friends with my son,

still a very good friend of my son. So I take my son to the birthday sleepover and I go in the

front door and it's red. Everything is red. The decorations are red. It was like red theme party.

I want to say it's like Avengers or something, you know, the red guy. Whatever his hero was,

it was red. So they had red hot cheetos, red Doritos, red twizzlers, red candies, red icing on

the birthday cake. The pizza was like red. You know, the pizza was from the, the store down the

street where, you know, they use all of the dye ingredients and the nasty pizza. And like, oh,

the red hot dogs, like the reddest hot dogs you can find. And I was, I was like, oh my,

and I really, I'm like, I'm going to take my kid and run. This is going to end well.

Oh my god. And I'm like, Zealine, don't eat that. But of course, they're at the birthday party

and we spend in the night. So he's eating it. Well, this was Saturday night by Sunday night,

all the boys have fever. All of them. Zealine has a fever and the, and the other five boys have

fever. So what did I do? Get them in the bath, get them out of the bath. I wrapped them up in

blanket, gave them herbal tea, honey. And I put a bunch of skins like we have the lamb skin.

So I put all these lamb skins on him and he's, and he, he's sweating it out. I'm like, I call it

hot-boxed in them. I'm, I'm, I'm put them in a little hot box and I'm just letting him sweat it

out. Well, he didn't go to school Monday. He didn't go to school Tuesday. He went to school on

Wednesday. And all the other moms literally every single mom called and said, I heard Zealine's at

school. What, what did you give him? What kind of Tylenol extra strength did you give him?

What, what, what clinic did you go to? We're going to go to your doctor. And I'm like, I didn't,

I, I, I, I made, I left this fever burning. I said, I left this fever on. And they're like,

no, no, no. We need to know what you're giving him. Like, what, who are you giving him? Where

we need your medication. Mama suit goes, please. T T T and, you know, rest in a bath and burn,

burn them up. I said, just put covers on and burn them up. That's child abuse. I mean, they were

like, they were like, we're not going to do that. Every single one of those families took their

kids and they gave them tamifloos. They gave them tamifloos and those poor, those poor boys were

out for two solid weeks. I mean, not one of them went to school in one week. And I'm sure

they didn't get into school until well into the next week. And my kids up and running in two days

because I detox them. I knew exactly what was happening. And that's exactly, this is exactly the

whole sort of thing around. This is the, this goes deeper. And obviously, we don't have time to go

so deep. But the whole thing about, like, the vaccines is when people realize that these

alleged viruses that you're vaccinating your child for don't actually, like, there's no real

evidence that they freaking exist. And there's a, what are you vaccinated for? So, like, the thing

about fever that a lot of, I mean, listeners here would know this, but a lot of folks don't, like,

we are just giving an example. So we went to Cairo, Egypt to see the pyramids in January.

And I told my wife, listen, like, because we went there, it was horrifically polluted. Like,

you cannot imagine until you see that and you smell it, you cannot imagine how horrifically

polluted that place is. But anyway, so I told my wife a couple of days in, because on the,

the, not the, the, we flew in the evening, but then the next day by the early afternoon,

out my nose was running all day. And I was like constantly, because that's the detox

a pattern. So I told my wife, you're getting it out, you're releasing it. Yeah, yeah. So I told my

wife, listen, just let me just warn you right now, if you or our kiddo or any of us starts getting

cold symptom stuff, we didn't catch anything. It's a detox reaction, relax. And she kind of knows

the stuff, but I have to remind her, because you know, the mama bear instinct kicks in when

your child has fever. You're like, I got to do something. You got to do nothing. You just get,

make sure that it's safe and has fluids and, and it's eating and stuff, whatever. But I told her,

look, it's very likely we're going to have a detox sort of process, whether it's now, whether it's

delayed when we come home. And we did, like, I think they, they had theirs a little bit after.

We came back. I was having it throughout the entire time. At one point, I was like blood in my,

every time was like kind of blowing my nose at blood. It's, it's, I'd rather have it that way

than it being stored in the body and expressing later on, you know, but whatever. But it's just,

that's when people understand, like, the fever is the, you know, the water in the body and the cells

becoming less viscous, more fluid, so that stuff can get out faster. Yeah, exactly. So when you

realize that, then the fever, not that, like, you don't want it to be like mega high and for like

hours and hours at a time. But like, you like, you have to just allow it to happen a little bit,

you know, it's, if it gets really high and stuff like that, there's always like, you can manage it,

keep it a little bit low, if you need to. But there's still like things like Yaro, Root, and like

things that have similar sort of effects that, that, you know, let's say, I'm a profan paracetamol,

we have the paracetamol is like a basically a liver poison. So you just have to choose less

heavy tools for the job, especially with a little kid. Yes, yes, and, and, and it's, I just

honor the exit strategy. When you have a fever and your, your nose starts running and your lung

start producing and you start sweating, that's, that's the exit strategy for your body. I mean,

it's, it's sitting rid of it and then you can't take something to plug it up and then you create a

traffic jam and then that's where the organisms, you know, the bacteria come in because, you know,

someone who, let's say, has a, has a cold and then they keep on trying to dry up their cold,

instead of letting it produce, you're not going to dry it up way down the bottom of your lung.

It's going to pull, you're just backing it up, you're just not allowing it to itself. And then

what happens, the little bacteria are like, oh, we need to go clean this up and they're going to

go and start eating it and multiplying divide. You're, you're providing the perfect environment

for secondary infection. And then the virus situation, wow, isn't that something else?

We've been just told a big bunch of hui. Now, our body does something, but it's not what it tell,

what they tell us it does. And viruses don't fall out of our bodies and then we pick them up and

they, you know, try to attack us. If anything, the virus that they claim, if anything,

it's an uber driver for ourselves to be released. Like in my mind, I think of a, like they're like,

oh, I have a virus. Oh, good, your uber drivers are working. Your, the virus goes in,

attach, this is theoretically, you know, you try to, you know, you try to do lame in terms with

people because no matter what it is, we've been lied to how it behaves. Like there's something

out there. It's just like, we've, we've been lied to how our body is behaving. So in my mind,

when they say a virus, oh, well, it's just an uber driver to take all of your dead and decaying

cells out of your body in the form of mucus and sweat and, you know, bodily fluids. Period.

It's not going to fall on the table and attack you. That is ridiculous.

Yeah. And let's see a picture of like a real one that's not a freaking like drawing

a cartoon. Let's just see a real one, guys. Just one, one would be nice. You know, like,

I'm sure like these electron microscopes, like they can't be able to do something. Let's see

something. We can't, why can't we see a, you know, we, if they tell us we can see

better than why can't we see a virus? I mean, we can, I mean, we can, we can pretend to go to

the moon, but we, yet we can't see a freaking real virus. You know, come on, guys, you got to do

better with the side-ups, please. There's so bad, no sign-ups are so bad. And it's just embarrassing.

It's embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. It was the real deal. And you know, there's a, there's a

fund out there in 2019. It was up to maybe a million dollars or two and still growing.

I need to find it. It's like some strip to caucus or someone was saying, find me this virus,

like evidence that exists and you get the surprise. Yes, prove the virus exists and you win

the jackpot. And I've donated, I donated to that jackpot. And so, yeah, and I've lost it. You

know how everything flies through your phone and who is where to find it now. But I'm sure if

we really searched, we can find it. And I guarantee the jackpot hasn't been won because my community

our community would have let us know, right? So there really is no hardcore proof. It's only

what the pharmaceutical, you know, all the guards have told us what it is. They've never proved.

Hey, do you know that Christine Massey out of Canada and how she wrote to like over, I think she

wrote to 219 countries and asked for proof of the COVID virus? I heard about that. Yeah, she did

that and I'll find it and send it to you. Yeah, I don't remember that name, but I know someone

was doing that and basically they had nothing and that's the thing. They had nothing. And that's

why just a quick, I think I've said this before in the podcast, but I was at the vet. I think

a year or two ago just to get a cone because my dog scratched her eye and I didn't want her to,

you know, keep scratching it. And in hindsight, I should have just fashioned the cone out of a

cardboard box because I went there and the dude, he looked at her little doggy passport and he's

eyes went like like Mr. Scrooge with the dollar signs, cha-ching. He's like, she's really behind

her vaccines. So he was like, the whole time dude, I came from my dog's eye. I need the cone.

And he's like, oh, you gotta come back for those vaccines. I'm like, okay, I will. But like my

strategy would now in hindsight, we're like, I would be happy to oblige as long as you show me

the research where these viruses that you want to vaccinate my dog for have been identified.

And then of course, the safety profile of the vaccines. And, you know, I want data. And I beg you,

he'd be like, you know what? I'm this, this battle isn't worth fighting. You just, you just go,

I'm not gonna belabor the point with you because he ain't gonna be able to find it. Simple as.

No, he can't. Well, the next, we only had two pediatricians, the one that killed, almost killed my

baby. And then the one that saved our lives because he was totally on board with our lifestyle.

So when we were threatened by the family that, if our kids caught a communicable, preventable

disease, we were gonna be, you know, ex-communicated from the family. My husband was very perturbed.

I mean, he was torn. He had not done, he had not seen all the research. I had seen, he was

just going along with whatever I felt was correct. And so he said, well, let's go talk to the doctor.

And I would never name names of anybody, but he's already retired, but it, so it doesn't matter.

He said, well, I want to go meet the doctor. I have some questions for the doctor. And I've been

with the doctor for, you know, what, 14 years or so up until that point. And he was always very

open. And, you know, he was like, you know, I have to ask, do you want to vaccinate tonight?

I'm like, what do you think? He was like, we'll say no, you know? And he was so calm and gentle.

And he gave us so much of his time. He answered all of my questions. And when my kids had a cold,

because when they were little, when they were little bitty, I was still unsure. And I just wanted to

make sure that, you know, sometimes you just have to double check, right? So I would take him to

that doctor because he never pushed any medication. I would just go check to make sure of, you know,

what I was doing was correct. Never once did he ever prescribe the vaccination. I mean, excuse me,

an antibiotic. Like if my kids were, you know, having colds and like, like, producing, he's like,

he said, they'll be right, they'll be okay in three days. Okay, good. I'm doing the right thing.

This is when they were little bitty. Like once they got older, we probably didn't see him,

you know, for eight or 10 years, except I did take him to the well checks so I could keep and maintain

rapport with the pediatrician. Just in case there was an accident, he would need a hospital and

I want that guy, right? I needed him. He was on board with my lifestyle. So I was going to support him

and go to those well with him. So my husband went and said, I have questions. So my husband had

questions and we're like, all right, let's go. And my husband, deadpan, and my husband's a physical

therapist. So he had on his scrubs. So he looked very, you know, like in the medical field too.

And my husband said, what vaccine would you recommend to give my kids today? Which ones do you

personally recommend? And he was like, none. Can you believe it? I got one of those pediatricians.

So that's the joy. Like one almost killed my son and one is going to do everything he can

to make sure my kids never go through that again because he knew our stories. And he believed,

he believed my story. He believed what happened to us. And so there are doctors out there that

will, that do understand and more and more are coming on board now. I'll have to say a next

family that he treated, he gave all the kids the vaccines and he also offered vaccines to the

parents. And I said, well, you know, but then that's up to the parents to say no. If the parents

would have said, you know what, I don't want him. He would have said, he would have probably not

pushed, you know, because he said, look, are you guys up to date on your D-tap and your HEPB?

And the parents are like, well, no. And he's like, well, you need them. So come back. And I'm like,

well, okay. But if they would have said, you know, give me some, like, do we really need it?

Oh, you know, if they would have argued with them a little bit, he would totally backed off. So

yeah, yeah. I can't say it. His whole career or job is on the line. Because if those parents

say, you know, this guy is like telling us, I have second thoughts about this. Imagine that

goal goes out to like his at the hospital administrator or whatever or the board that he's certified with.

So like, you are in for like a lot of shame and then potentially losing your license. And then

they remind the fact that you have a family, a car, blah, blah, blah mortgage and student loan debt

that you probably haven't paid off in many cases. So they are really, I, in some ways,

I am like, I will not excuse the heinous things they're doing to the kids and the people in general

on a mass scale. I will not excuse that. But I empathize at some level because they were like 18

year old, 20 year olds, you know, starry eyed naive. I'm going to help the world. And the probably

99% of those people wanted to help the world. But that system that puts you through the ringer,

you know, eight plus years, it will crush your spirit. And, and, and, and then you become a

useful idiot in the, exactly, the mafia's hands. And they, they got you by the short and

curly then with all your student loan debt and all that. Exactly. So, you know, one, one family's

experience was very different. But said, I really don't feel like he harassed them or pushed them.

He just asked them and said, you know, you need it. You're to date. But, but I guess the folks

that had knowledge and a lot of the midwives in the area would, you know, that was their pediatrician,

the folks that had knowledge, he 100% understood us and respected the knowledge that we brought to

the table and respected our position. So, at, at a minimum, that's what he did for many families.

But again, again, it, it, it, again, goes back to the whole thing. You know, I was interviewing

Christopher Gronski, he was at the conference as well yesterday. And he multiple times, he said,

look, you, at the end of the day, you or us, I must take responsibility for myself, my health,

my family's health, all that's unless we stop seeding our responsibility to authority,

things may not, we may not get lucky in the way the current environment is, the way the

systems are set up. Unless you take responsibility for yourself, you may get, you know, the,

the short end of the stick as it were. And, and boy, did we get that short end? But we planted

the tree and grew it. That's it. You made, you know, when, when life gives you lemons, you make

some tequila and then you, you know, you do some tequila shots, right? I want to thank you,

she meant, I want to thank you so much for coming on and sharing and being, you know, just opening

up and sharing the story because it's clearly, it's such a sensitive area, so many, so many

parents live in shame because they blame themselves and like it, it's a horrible thing, but I'm so

happy that you, you found healing and you found the right people to support you and, and like,

your entire trajectory of your family's life and your kids' future, you know, family's lives

was changed for the better. So it's such a beautiful story and I really, really thank you for

coming on, sharing the post. Oh, yes, so much for the better. And parents need to understand that

they have to forgive themselves for what they didn't know before they knew it. Yes, yes. Because the

guilt can kill a thousand elephants. I went to bed crying for 20 years. I mean, I just, it's only

been the last few years where I didn't relive that before I went to them. Yeah, yeah, man. So,

so I can't imagine some of the other parents out there and, and, and what's the journey that they

have ahead of them and, and it's such a, it's heartbreaking. Yeah, it's heartbreaking. But,

yeah, but there are good stories. And listen, you can reverse those damages. You've just got to

detox. Yeah, exactly, exactly, detox and, and eat correctly. Exactly. So important. Well, again,

thank you. She meant so much for coming on. And this was this was an honor and it was the best

cab ride I ever had, meeting you and, and getting invited. So thank you so much. Yeah, and I love

what you guys are doing at La Luz. It's absolutely amazing work. Oh, yes. La Luz, yeah. But,

yeah, very much so. All right. Thank you.