Healing Through the Wisdom of the Body (with Inna Segal)

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You are listening to A Psychic Story, a podcast that shares behind the scenes insights of

people who lead supernatural lives among the ordinary.

And I'm your host, Nicole Bigley.

Join me every Wednesday as I dispel the mist, behind magic, and lore.

Welcome to A Psychic Story.

Hi, psychic listeners.

Our guest for this episode of A Psychic Story is a pioneer in the field of energy medicine

and human consciousness and the best-selling author of The Secret Language of Your Body.

Her journey into healing began after years of illness and a profound personal loss, which

led her to discover a deep ability to heal herself.

From that turning point, she dedicated her life to helping others transform pain into

freedom through the wisdom of the body and soul.

For over 25 years, she has worked with people around the world from doctors and psychologists

to trauma survivors and creatives, guiding them to uncover the deeper roots of suffering

and restore health from within.

This is the story of Ina Sigal.

Welcome to A Psychic Story, Ina.

Thank you so much for having me, Nicole.

All right.

I like to begin each conversation with this question, and that is when you hear the word

psychic, what does it mean to you?

I think for me, it's about accessing realms that are not necessarily completely easy for

people to have a connection with.

So it's something that can come both from a knowing, something from within.

It can be more intuitive, and it can also be very much about what the focus is.

So I always say to people that for me, the focus has been tuning into people in terms of

seeing what's really going on and why, like what's blocking them, what's what are the

doors that are open, but not necessarily seeing the future as people might, you know, think

of a psychic.

At the same time, you can go to a psychic, and I know I've gone several times in my

lifetime, where you are specifically looking for guidance towards the future and a way to

be aligned, I think, to be aligned with what you're here for.

Yeah, I do think that most people's initial thoughts of psychic, if they're not as familiar

with it, is more of the premonitions and the predictions that aspect of psychic versus

the way that you just described it.

So thank you for sharing that.

Now your first profound spiritual experiences came during an incredibly painful time in

your life.

Can you share what happened when you saw the angel?

Yeah, I didn't know at that stage much about my own intuitive capacity, besides that,

I guess, really knowing what I did want to do and what I didn't want to do in my life.

And I ended up, when I was 19, I ended up getting pregnant, which was definitely in there.

I don't want to do this pile, and it was a very difficult decision, because if anyone

had known me at that time, they would have gone out of all my friends.

I would be probably the last one or the one in my 30s to have children, it was definitely

not where what I thought my life was going to be at that age.

And once I made a decision to have this child, which took a lot, I'm going to say a lot

of self adjustment, a lot of adjustment of my ideas and ideals and dreams and what I

thought I was going to be doing, I was very aligned.

I'm going to say, and I was looking forward to it and quite excited and around maybe three

and a half weeks before I was to give birth, I went to see a nurse and something in me just

kept feeling like there was something going on with this baby that wasn't right.

And so I brought it up to this nurse and I said, something's wrong, I felt like it's wrong

with the heart.

And she said, no, you're being ridiculous, you're just anxious, you're just having,

a moment, lots of people do nothing's wrong.

And she also said to me, if the baby doesn't move much, that's totally normal because that's

what happens at this time.

So I walked away being reassured but still something in me just didn't feel right.

And so a few weeks later, I went into labor and I got to the hospital and I remember as

my partner was parking at the time, I was coming in and I was, it was challenging.

I was not feeling the best and so on and a nurse came up to me.

I was kind of having difficulty standing.

I already had a lot of back pain and so on.

And she said, she put her hands on my belly and she just said, when was the last time the

baby moved?

And I remember thinking that is such a strange thing to say as they're getting a wheelchair

for me.

Anyway, I don't remember what I answered but it didn't take long for me to give birth.

And then as I gave birth, there was a nurse that I didn't know who was in the room and she

and it was silent.

And so I looked up at her and she said, I'm sorry.

And it took me a while to comprehend what she was saying, what that actually meant, what

what I'm sorry meant.

And it felt very harsh the way it came out, you know, I just felt the and I was very shocked.

I think I just, I immediately went, I was staring at the ceiling, I went into a shock,

I was kind of frozen as I, and I asked everybody to leave the room except my partner at the

time.

And as I was staring at the ceiling, I had this, all of a sudden this angel and it was very

feminine.

I told her she appeared wearing all white.

And besides her, there were, it felt like this two angelic looking children appeared a

boy and a girl and she said to me, you know, everything's going to be okay and you will

have two children soon.

You're going to be, you're going to be fine.

So it wasn't like a huge conversation, it was literally a couple words and a sense of

peace that just poured inside of me.

And for the next three hours, I literally felt, I was okay.

I was strong.

I felt like there's some reason, I don't know why, but there is some reason that I'm having

this experience.

I'm going to use it in my life.

I felt very strong inside.

I'm going to say within three hours, after the three hours, the feeling dissipated and

all of the, like, what's wrong with me and anxiety and depression started to come back.

Had you ever had any other experiences like that before, was that the very first time

that you had experienced an angel?

It was the first time I had actually experienced an angel.

It wasn't the first time where I felt a sense of guidance.

When I was 15, I really felt like I wanted to do acting and everybody said, basically,

no, no, you're never going to make any money from it and so on.

And I came from poverty.

I came from Eastern Europe.

We didn't have a bathroom in the house or shower or running water.

So to me, people saying, you're going to be poor the rest of your life was not something

that I was looking forward to.

And definitely not why I felt like my parents came to Australia, which is where I live.

And I made a decision for myself, no, I'm not going to do it.

I'm just going to, I'll do advertising, I'll do something creative, but not that.

And for bad, I don't know, it was maybe nine or ten months, I just felt like a zombie.

I felt completely disassociated from life.

You know, I just, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't function properly.

I decided to do dance classes.

I thought, if I do something creative, maybe this will go away.

And so then I ended up in a class with a 26 year old woman who was studying to be a doctor.

And she had this book and it was called Born to succeed and for some reason she gave

me the book.

And one day where I literally couldn't take it anymore, I kind of, I got home and I said,

hey, hey, I need a message.

At that point, there was no such thing as card decks and I didn't understand even if

there was, I had never considered anything like that even existed.

And so I opened the book and I was like, I'm going to put my hand on whatever line it

is.

And then I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do what it says.

And so I did.

And it said, God wants you to do what you want to do.

And I never heard this, this had never occurred to me.

And I remember the thoughts that came to me.

I want to do acting.

My friends couldn't think of anything worse.

One of my best friends was saying she wanted to be dentist.

I remember saying to her, come think of anything worse, I'd rather clean.

And she said, all come on in and monkey can be a dentist and I was like, not this monkey.

And I remember thinking, what is it that I want to do this?

I want to do acting.

None of them do.

There must be some reason for it.

And I'm going to listen now.

I'm actually going to follow.

And I remember saying this to my mom.

And I just said to her, look, you have to pay for it.

And I'll figure out which class, where I'm going, how I'm going to get there, but you

got to pay.

And she did.

And so I remember showing up three hours earlier to this class.

And it was like poetry was coming out of me.

And it was really interesting that within a six months period, I had a very strong feeling

that I had to go and visit another class.

And when I came into this other class, I was like, this is home.

I don't know why I have to be here.

And it was double the price, double the distance from my house.

And when I was like, I'm not driving, she wasn't a very good driver.

And I just remember like stepping into that particular class and going, this is somehow

my destiny lies here.

And it was true.

I ended up meeting my first husband there.

And he were so very good friends when I was married.

And he was the one who introduced me to everything to do with healing and alternative therapies

and things like that.

So it wasn't so much an angel experience.

But when I was in the class, he was staring at me the whole time.

And I remember, I was 18 at that time.

And I remember thinking to myself, oh my God, why is he staring?

And I had decided on that particular day I was going to go to my grandparents' house

instead of where I actually lived.

And I came up to the teacher and I said, Peter, his name was Peter, I need to get to this

place.

Do you have any idea how I get there from here?

And he said, no, no, no.

And I had already spoken to some of the students and one of them was going to take me.

And then at the end of the class, which never happened, never happened, Peter said, is

anyone going near St. Kilda, which is where I wanted to go?

And Paul, who became my husband, put out his hand and he said, I am.

And Peter said, can you take, yeah, can you drive in a home?

And while we were driving, Paul said to me, and he was asking me all sorts of questions,

are you spiritually?

Are you dizzy?

Are you that?

And he said, and I said, why are you asking?

He said, well, you're not going to believe this, but when I was in the class and I was

looking at you, I just kept hearing this voice and it kept saying, offer her a leaf

home, offer her a leaf home.

And every time I came up to you, you kind of walked away.

So I just thought, I'll leave it.

He's like, but when Peter said that I just knew that somehow we needed to connect.

And you know, that I would drive, that I would drive you home.

And you know, we would, you know, have a connection.

So yeah, so that happened before.

Well, now you've also talked about, though,

we're shared that intuitive abilities were present in your family lineage.

So it sounds like you had intuitive experiences yourself and then there was the big

angel moment through your loss, your, you know, the husband that you married Paul later

on.

He had that intuitive experience with you.

But what about your intuition growing up and with your family?

What did that look like?

Well, it was really interesting because in a way, I had no idea until I started doing

healing work, I think, I sit until it awakened inside of me because nobody talked about

it.

My grandmother, I think she, she might have mentioned this when I was maybe 14, 13, 14 without

really going into any detail, I didn't really ask.

And she, she spoke about her, her mother being clairvoyant and that when my grandmother was

really small, she was, her mother had a children and my grandmother was born with some kind

of a thin layer of skin over her and her mother said to her, and she was the first born

and her mother said to her, you're going to be the lucky one.

And in this family and my grandmother would tell me later on that lots of people, they

lived in a tiny little village and lots of people would come to her mother, her name was Anna

to ask her readings and they'd bring food.

So they didn't pay because it wasn't like that then, but they would bring food.

And she said that her mother's accuracy was just renowned, like it was incredible.

And when the war was coming and my grandmother must have been, I would say 11 or 12, her

mom said to her, my grandmother's name was Emma, so she said to her daughter Emma, she

said, out of everybody in the family, you're the only one who's going to survive.

And your dad, your dad will come back, he's going to go to war, he'll come back, don't

know who's going to leave long, you're the only one who's going to survive and leave long.

She, at that stage, she would have maybe had seven children, maybe would have been pregnant

with her eight.

And she said to my grandmother, I'm going to have to, you know, you're going to have to hide.

I'm going to have to hide you from everyone because I see your, you surviving and, but this

needs to be, you need to be hidden.

So when the war actually came to Eastern Europe, my grandmother, on the day the Germans came

and they picked up her mother who at the time had a three months old baby, as well as all

the other kids, my grandmother ran up to her and her mother said to her, what are you doing?

I hid you for so long, why are you here?

And my grandmother said, well, you know, she would have been 13 at the time.

You know, I don't, I just want to go with you.

I don't want to, I don't want to be alone, I don't know how I'm going to survive.

And her mother looked at her and she said, no, that's not how this is going to work.

And I don't know how she did it.

But they were already, they already got onto the trucks with the Germans and my great

grandmother did something where one of the Germans said, oh, too many people get off and

you told her and my grandmother and the family to get off.

And my grandmother's mother said, okay, I'm going to give the baby to sort of, to this lady

to hold.

You're going to run and you're going to get, you know, as you run, they're going to

shoot and they're going to shoot to me and I will stand in front.

You have to keep running.

And so that's what my grandmother did, she, oh, she said to her before, what are you leaving

me on?

And her mother said on God and the will of good people.

And as my grandmother ran, her mother was shot.

And my grandmother said that she had one, well, she had actually a lot of experiences where

it was very clear that it was her mother guiding her.

She felt like, she said a few days later, she went back to the house and there were Germans

in chic.

She wanted to get some photos.

Do you remember?

My mother.

And she went into the attic.

And as she went there, she heard two Germans coming and they knew she was there.

And they kept screaming and shouting at her to calm down and she wouldn't.

And then she said one got onto the ladder and started going up.

As he got up and he tried to pull her down, it was like electricity went through his

body.

And I was obviously no electricity.

And he fell down and he kind of went, oh my God, there's like, he got a shock.

And she said they laughed and she knew she had a feeling it was her mother who was doing

it.

And she always knew when the Germans would come because she, she was in the forest on

her own and she became part of the partisans, so the resistance for four years.

And she said it was like, she just always knew when they were about to be killed or Germans

would come.

And sometimes she would say to people, one am in the morning, we have to leave, we have

to go.

And they would go, no, it's black, it's so dark, we weren't see, we're going to be killed

and she'd be like, now I'm going, I'm leaving and she would leave.

And if you'd met my grandmother, you could not, like she was so gentle and pure, you would

never believe that she was capable of this.

She said there was one very clear experience for her, where her mother was guiding her.

She had been walking through the forest for about eight days and with no food, it was

in a dress, like in a summer dress, it was probably minus 40 Celsius.

So she said this snow was kind of like up to her chest and she, her legs were just completely

frozen, she was frozen, she had not been, she had an eaten and she lay down and she was

like, this is it, I'm done, I can't do anymore.

And she said at that moment, her mother appeared to her very clearly in a vision, but she said

it was like she was in front of her and she said her mother was standing there and then

all the children for her, my grandmother didn't know if her brother, so she had a brother

who was 10 years old who'd also somehow ran, so she didn't know that if he would had

survived or not, and she said she saw him trailing as the last one so she knew he hadn't.

And she looked at her mother and she said to her, please take me, I can't do this anymore,

I just want to be with you.

And her mother looked at her and she said it, she was very strict and in her very strict

voice, she said to her, I have told you, you have a different path to us all.

And she said to her, you're going to get up, you're going to walk to the, there's a

village very close by, you're going to walk to the last house in the village that is

dilapidated and falling apart, you're going to knock, there's good people in that house,

they're going to look after you and they're going to help you with your legs.

So even if you have to crawl there, you need to get there.

And that's what my grandmother did and so she said that's how her legs were saved at

the time because she just, she doesn't know how she even got there, but she stayed with

these people for three weeks, they hid her, but they, you know, did feet and sages and

baths and so on, for her.

And it's just incredible, it's just incredible survival.

What powerful stories of resilience and so you grew up hearing that and knowing that.

And so there was probably some sort of trust in your life that you were being guided by

a higher, higher power or your family on the other side and everything.

And you mentioned earlier that healing yourself was really this turning point and your journey

into this work, we can't begin with that.

So what did that process teach you about the body and its intelligence or even what did

it look like when you started to heal?

I felt like the stories in my grandmother told me and the healing were probably not connected

at the time.

So, you know, in my life, there was, there was a lady that professed that she did healing.

And to me and my family and, you know, it felt like she did very dark type of like magic

as I was growing up and my dad somehow, it was like she, she was after my dad.

And from the time she started doing whatever she was doing, it was like my dad had changed

and he was a different person and everybody would say like she's a witch and she does this.

So I, she was quite afraid of it, I'm going to say and turned off by anything like that.

Medicine was more of the way that my mom kind of operated and so I had a lot of digestive

vicious psoriasis, anxiety and back pain.

So she would just take me mainly to doctors or anybody the doctors recommended.

And whilst, and it was interesting because whilst we lived in Eastern Europe, I think my

mom was more open to alternatives, but when we got to Australia, it just didn't seem

like she was.

And so I didn't really know much about healing in that sense except that what I saw, you

know, with this lady was a, was something I never wanted to participate in and it was

a real turn off and was very off for me.

I really thought that I would do acting in my life and writing.

So, you know, when I met my, then he became my husband when I met Paul, he was the one

who really opened the doors to alternative healing to me.

And for about, let's just say two, two and a half years, I went to see different people

with this attitude that how I would go to a doctor, basically, I don't know anything,

you know, everything fixed me, heal me, you know, do whatever you do.

And I went to see a lot of people at one point I was seeing it felt like, you know, someone

almost every day of the week or five days a week.

After I had this experience of the baby dying, everything exploded in my body, like my

psoriasis just became really, really bad.

I found very hard to eat food without having crazy reactions.

I could hardly walk because my back was just twisted and flamed most of the time.

I was seeing a chiropractor three times a week at the time.

And the turning point really came when I went to this chiropractor, it would have been

quite a few.

I had been seeing him regularly, like I said, for a while, the back pain had been a major

issue in my life.

And this particular day, I remember I wake up and I was just, and when I say even wake

up, I just, I hardly slept because I was in pain all the time.

So I was, to be honest, at that point, the only thing that I was focused on is I want

experience where death feels like that's where I was at.

And when I went to see him this particular day, I just felt like everything was inflamed

and I was like, I feel like I'm going to end up in a wheelchair.

This is where I'm going.

And he came out of his office and he was a very peaceful, wise man, I felt.

And he just looked at me and he said, you know, your body stuck.

And I was like, I guess in my mind, I thought, tell me something I don't know.

I know that.

I want.

And he, you know, he said, you know, then no silence, I should say.

And so then I just said, okay, well, should I, you know, like what are you going to do?

Should I go into it?

And he was like, no, your body wants to be stuck.

There's nothing I can do for you.

Go home.

That was the last thing I expected.

I'm going to say for him to say that.

And when I went home, I was enraged.

I was actually enraged.

But because I had been studying linguistics and literature had turned on.

In my mind, I was thinking in terms of language.

And I was like, well, somehow, somehow, I'm speaking different language.

And my body is trying to obviously speak Japanese to me, and I don't know Japanese.

So I'm going to go home and I'm going to figure it out.

And so when I went home, I decided that I was going to essentially do a lot of the things

that I learned from my acting classes.

I started with breathing, placing my hands on my back to hold that area and to create

a connection.

As I was breathing deeply, I realized that I hardly ever breathed, deeply, either that

I usually held my breath.

Most of us don't, right?

Most of us hold our breath a lot.

And then I started counting backwards from 30, because my mind was just very negative.

And as I was doing this, it just occurred to me why didn't I ask for higher help?

It was probably the first time I actually did consciously ask for higher help.

There was definitely a conflict inside of me because on one hand, I felt like I was

guided.

Like you're saying, Nicole, but on the other hand, I was like,

if I was guided, why would God bring that experience to me?

Like what have I done to have a baby die at 20, like I was 20 years old?

That makes no sense to me.

And it happened literally, I felt like it happened on my birthday.

So when I literally turned 20, so to me it was like, well, okay, I saw the angel, but

I don't have children yet.

So how do I know that it's true?

And at the same time, why was I punished?

Like what have I done?

So I was very conflicted.

But I still asked, I didn't really expect anything to happen.

And when I asked and basically said, if there is something higher or divine out there that

can help me now with my pain, please help me.

And I just started to feel this warmth at my eyes close, and I could see this golden

light.

It was like sunshine pouring into me.

And I definitely felt an unwinding happening.

And I guess this is where maybe on the subconscious level, it was obvious that it came up, but

it wasn't obvious to me consciously that my mind all of a sudden went, well, I wonder

what it would look like if I could see my back.

And within a moment of thinking that it was like somebody turned the light on and I literally

could see my back and where the inflammation was and where the twist was and what was going

on.

And I remember thinking, I am really, I actually really want to know not as a victim, but

I actually want to know why this is happening to me this way.

And my best way of describing this is that I saw a vision that was both memory and wisdom.

And it started with show, you know, I was showing me coming to Australia and I'm knowing

one word of English and being bullied and how that turned into psoriasis because I just

couldn't, I couldn't be in my skin.

I wasn't comfortable.

And prior to that, we had gone from Eastern Europe to Europe to Italy, I said, lived

in Italy for 10 months and I really felt like that was my home, I'm more home than where

I was born.

And so coming to Australia was a real, another shock to my system.

I was like, because I thought it was going to be Italy, but better.

And it definitely was not what I thought.

And so I was, I went from being this very expressive, loved child who could fully be

myself and was very acknowledged for who I was to hiding and crying every day, you know,

and being bullied at school and not knowing how to who I was anymore.

And so that made complete sense to me that I would get this psoriasis from that.

And then I, as I acknowledged and really felt through it and I feel like it's so important

for people to acknowledge and cry and everything, you know, that came with the image changed.

And I became aware of the lower back, which is where I had pain and sad, I literally couldn't

move forward.

And how that was again layered with my parents and their conflicts, they were in constant

conflict with each other.

This lady that came in between, you know, that I was talking about who had done this black

magic and my dad and my mom was struggling and suffering.

And there was just a lot of things, you know, I went to a different school and there was

a different type of bullying that was going on there.

And so again, there was all sorts of things that showed up and I'm not going to say that

I understood it all on the day.

It kind of flickered and I just kept acknowledging and sort of seeing it and feeling through it.

I also saw all the self about my grandparents and how that connected to my digestive system.

And then I fell asleep and the next day when I wake up, my spine was straight.

That was the biggest difference and the level of pain went down by 70%.

So I'm going to say that I didn't have any pain, but compared to before, it was a huge

difference.

And I also want to say that I had had experiences from other practitioners where I had relief

for over the years, however, it never, I never felt like I could hold it.

And there was a sense and a feeling like I can hold this.

And that was the difference.

I'm going to say the biggest difference.

And because there was so much that came to me, I'm that person that I need to write

it down to understand I don't fully comprehend things until I write it down.

So over the next three weeks, I was writing things and connecting and all the pieces together

and so on.

And by the end, I didn't have psoriasis and I've never had it since it just disappeared.

The back pain disappeared, never had it since the anxiety went right down.

The digestive issue has taken a long, long time to work on.

And I still have to be conscious of certain things that I do, which I take as appreciation

because I don't know how I eat in a much better way than I would have.

I think without that help and I'm aware that the digestive system is about experiences

and then we need to assimilate our experiences.

And when something shows up that is difficult, that rather than running away from it or pushing

it aside, which I definitely would have done if I did not learn this and didn't have enough

digestive issues in my life, yeah, I would have been just pushing it aside instead of going,

how do I deal with this?

How do I work with this?

And it sounds like when you experienced all this and thank you for sharing because that's

very extremely powerful, is that it sounds like there was a lot of subconscious things

that you weren't picking up on, obviously emotional things.

And with this, I'll just say an expanded consciousness and awareness, you were able to have

that mind-body connection.

And I always say as a healer that it's not me or even source really that's healing anyone,

it's the person, we heal ourselves.

And so that's what you were able to do.

While you were able to get relief from some of those other practitioners, it was really

through that awareness and through your intention.

Even though you didn't even really know what you were doing, you just opened yourself,

I say just, but you opened yourself up to that higher power to receive what you needed

to, whether that was knowledge and information or healing or all the things.

Absolutely.

And I also think that all the work that I had done with the practitioners created an internal

flexibility and an openness inside my nervous system to be able to do it, healing can

require preparation at times.

This is one of those things people get frustrated about because they go, and I've had that question,

oh, well, it just sounds like you had an instant healing and it was like, well, instant healing

that probably took years to get to where my body was finally in that state.

And like you said, my consciousness, where I could access it.

And then there's been a big journey because I don't believe in just physical healing, right?

I just, I think that's a doorway into essentially knowing who you are and working on your emotions,

working on themes.

So I always see people about themes that, you know, in life, we're always in that process

of transforming, growing, learning.

So rather than getting into the state of, oh, my God, am I not healed already?

It's kind of like, well, what's the focus now?

And as we're going through stages, it's like, you know, there was, for me, there was

a time where the focus was my children, how can I be the best mom possible?

And then, you know, the focus has been, what can I learn from grief and loss?

And how do I move through that?

How do I, I've heard you talk about this in other episodes?

How do I become more refined in my intuitive abilities?

Because a one point, you know, because as I did the healing on myself within weeks, I

realized that I could see into other people's bodies.

So I was going to say, because you saw your back, and then you had that, that ability,

yeah.

Yeah.

So it was like, well, how do I refine this?

How do I work on this?

You know, and then I had years of, I want to understand the spiritual world.

I actually, I want to understand what happens in the spiritual world, world after we die.

And, you know, I had years of this as a theme that I wanted to understand and discover,

like soul family and connections was, you know, so I'm just saying, there's so many different

themes that come into our lives where, you know, destiny come, our purpose, relationships,

where we start to go, oh, what is the focus now for me to grow and healing to me encompasses

all of this?

What you were talking, what came to mind is that our soul or our spirit is, or sorry,

our body is our spirit or our soul in the physical.

And when we can understand as you were discussing and sharing the emotional component to it, the

mental component, the focus areas, that is the journey, that is the spiritual growth,

that is the healing.

So it's not necessarily as you were talking about this instantaneous healing, it took a lot

for you to get to that point.

So when people hear the phrase heal yourself, what do you think they often misunderstand

perhaps?

I feel like there's so many different parts, again, that they may misunderstand, well,

usually they'll say, well, I don't know what that means, I don't know how that looks.

You know, what do you even think about that?

I feel like they're almost very often people feel like they haven't been given the tools,

the skills for it.

So it's almost like on some level they go, are you saying that I haven't?

Like are you blaming me?

Or they can, depends, you know, or they can go, sure, now, what does that look like?

And I want to do the work.

Yeah, I want to do the work.

A lot of people don't, a lot of people don't want to do the work, yeah?

Exactly.

Or they're actually genuinely not ready for it.

And I think honestly, it's only been maybe the last year where it has occurred to me

that some people are genuinely not ready to start because they're the levels of trauma

that have occurred inside of them, one, they haven't recognized it properly.

And two, in particular, people who've spent their whole lives having no support.

And it's almost like for them, there's such a fear of, I'm going to, I don't understand

this.

I don't understand what you're talking about, you know, what if I break down, what do you

mean emotions and usually they're in a male body as well, I'm going to say, not always,

but often, you know, and it's almost like I'm there for myself.

And what I realize, again, that, you know, or people who, yeah, there's just been so much

trauma where they may need to start kind of like I did with other people helping them.

And eventually, where they start to have some trust internally, not just in their mind

and that they can survive anything, but in their emotions, in their feelings, that their

feelings is not, it's not their enemy.

And that, you know, they're not going to fall apart.

I think, you know, sometimes it's, they need that work with somebody on the nervous system

and bodywork and adjustment.

I think it's beautiful that in healing, we have so many different ways to enter where

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Yeah, and that's important because I always say to people that if you are drawn to something

it might be sound or you're curious about tarot or crystals or certain culture that maybe

you didn't grow up in, but you have a- so trust that curiosity or that internudge and

knowing because it's really about remembering parts of it, meaning your own healing journey

and what that would be.

Your soul knows the answer, your higher self knows the answer, and all of that.

Curious before I ask you this next question, did you ever see that man again?

The one that told you that your body was stuck?

Did you ever just knock on the store and say, hey, look, I'm no longer stuck.

Look at me now.

Absolutely.

I love the question.

Six months later, I went to get a first session because I wanted to see what he would

say.

And he said to me, I don't know what he did, but whatever you did works, keep doing it.

That was his whole, you know, thing to me, and I felt very acknowledged by that.

I also want to recognize too that when he saw you, it wasn't him giving up.

I don't know what went through his mind or what he might have even shared with you or

not, but it was courageous that he didn't- I mean, he acknowledged that it wasn't about

him being able to help you that you needed to do that, and that lit that fire within

you.

You know, anger gets a bad rap, but to your point about feeling emotions, man, you felt

that.

You really made you in an empowering way to go about it a completely different way.

So that was that turning point for you.

How did learning to listen to your body change your relationship with pain and illness?

It changed it completely.

It led me to see everything that is happening inside my body as a guidance system.

So- and I think this is a really important question to call for everyone and an important

exploration, because not everybody feels like they can have access to higher guidance

or to, you know, divine guidance or guides or whatever, you know, angels, whatever I would

call it, even though I are honestly a hundred percent, I'm going to say it's knowing because

I've done years and years of research on this that all of us have a guardian angel that

is always there and actually holds up the threads of our destiny together and is guiding

us, but not all of us have access to that.

I honestly believe that all of us have access to the body and how we interpret it and how

we start to work with it and understand it.

So for many people, it's numbed and they are disassociated, but they can still recognize

the numbness.

And so what I found was that there was so much wisdom.

I started to really connect to the wisdom of the body and I read my book, The Secret

Language of Your Body, around that, where I was like, wow, what is the heart about?

What is it trying to show me?

Oh, well, actually, we already know that the heart is about intimacy and relationships

and destiny and purpose.

So when the heart is breaking down, then something around relationships, intimacy, self-love,

purpose is breaking down.

So wow, OK, I'm going to use this as guidance.

And so I went through every part of the body after when I was writing my book, The Secret

Language of Your Body, as a way to really inspire and encourage other people to see that everything

that happens in the body is actually there to guide you and not, I think most people

when they don't understand, oh my body is breaking down, it's bad, it's this, it's

bad, as opposed to actually, no, it's the only way that most of us know whether we're

on the right track or the wrong track or we're being guided or we're going against what

is our guidance because your body's meant to guide you towards transformation growth and

part of that is I'm going to give you an illness or I'm going to give you anything to move

you towards healing, to transformation, to understanding of what doesn't work and what

you need to change in your life.

Let's unpack that a little bit more because you, just as you mentioned, a bit framed

in a different way is that you teach that the body carries messages and wisdom.

So how can people begin tuning into what their body is communicating?

The several steps towards it.

So get our book, first and foremost, but yes, it's actually, I write about them.

In my three books that I read, okay, all of it, yes, but essentially, we need to

wake the body up and these is where I found to do that is through movement.

So by standing up and scanning your body by, and when I say scanning, and just mean becoming

aware of where my blocked stock or have pain, placing your hands on the part of the body

and the same way as what I did, breathing into that area and starting to acknowledge.

And you might start to acknowledge it by going, actually, don't feel much.

I have numbness.

And I always say, rather than going into a feeling which is hard for a lot of people if

they haven't done this type of work, go into sensation.

What is the sensation?

What if we could create a shape of this sensation?

What would it be?

And what if that had a color?

What would it be?

And then actually, physically, this is one of the things that I don't see a lot of people

do because a lot of people just work more psychically with healing, but physically saying,

okay, so now, you know, let's say it's a square that is brown and the sensation is numbness.

Let's take that out of your body and let's visualize a purple fire because purple is a

color of transformation and I've reached out a lot about color and let's place it into

this purple flame with that intention of letting go, letting go.

What are you letting go of?

And from there, let's go deeper and explore, okay, what's underneath this numbness is there

more numbness or is there something else?

But I'll also say to people, okay, I'm going to ask you to shake and move one arm because

I want you to start to become aware of the difference between energy that flows and energy

that is stagnant because, you know, unless you are disabled, you can move your body, you

know, to some degree, and if you are disabled, then again, we find another way.

So yeah, moving your body, moving your arms and actually releasing the energy, again, the

intention is to let go and also to become aware of what's the difference between one side

of the body and the other because we need to, without actually knowing the difference between

the two, when I'm numb and when I'm not consciously, we're going to go into a state that we're

used to, all right, we're going to go, we're always going to go back to what is, this is what

I always do and most people are in that state of fight and flight and running in their life.

And so, you know, once you can explore this and then do the same with the other arm and then

we work with both arms and then we work with the hip area because you carry your family around

your hip area and, you know, and we move our legs and, you know, we do a bit of a belly dancing type

of letting go because your legs are about moving forward and when people are stuck, they obviously

cannot move forward and sometimes I'll actually get people to move around the room doing this,

especially if I'm doing it live, but even, you know, if I'm doing it online and we have music to help

with that and then I'll get people to, once they're a little bit awake, I'll actually work with

helping them to ground and, again, to feel what is the, how does it feel when you're ground,

how do you feel when you're inside the body as opposed to outside the body? And from there,

we'd then go into an exploration and the exploration can look like something like, let's bring

our hands back to this part of the body. If there was a thought pattern or belief in this part

of the body, what would it be? And we might go, where did it come from? How does it affect you?

If this thought pattern or belief was connected to a feeling, what would it be? And is this feeling

connected to an experience or a symbol, I'm going to say, depends on what we're doing, we might

go into symbolic or archetypal work or we might go into a memory, like what happened to you?

And from there, we then use the tools to shift the perspective that people took on.

What one of the biggest things I realize is that every part of your body has a perspective

and it's either a negative one that's limiting and fear-based, that's making you seek

or it's a healing one that's expansive and it's making you move forward. And so we change the

perspective, we work with energy, with color, with seeing the experience from a different place

and I mentioned archetypes and often recognizing which part of me got stuck in this experience and

how do we bring, how do we help this part to grow? Thank you for sharing that. Now, what role does the

soul play in healing? Well, I, again, through my studies and I'm going to say through my studies

of root of sin as work, I've been a big fan of his work. Again, he was a scientist and a clairvoyant,

one of the most amazing clairvoyance that I think has ever lived. What I've learned is that we have

a soul in the spirit and there are two different things and sometimes there's confusion around this.

So this spirit is actually the eternal part of us, the part that comes in into every life and the

soul gets transformed in each life and it gets transformed based on previous lifetimes and how

you've lived and what you've done into how, you know, the soul needs to come into this particular

body, be connected to this particular family, you know, ancestors, the feminine masculine body,

whatever it is, it needs to align and come in and the soul is the part that carries all your emotions.

So within the soul, you've got the astral body and the astral body is the body of likes,

dislikes, desires, wants, emotions, our connection to other people, our destiny. So when we're

working with the soul, we're essentially working with a system of, I'm going to say,

organization or disorganization. When your emotions are all over the place and are completely

disorganized, usually, and again, I've heard you talk about this Nicole, about auras, you know,

in the aureque field, which is part of the soul, this is what the soul represents or is, you know,

how we see the soul is the aura, you know, you'll see several, depends on the person or how you're

doing it. You can see several layers of the soul and each layer of the soul will show you

what's going on with the person because you can't lie once you can see that. And so you'll be

showing you where you're suppressing, pushing away, not organized, you know, all over the place,

chaotic, overwhelmed, overload. And so the soul plays such a huge role in it, it plays a role in

your digestion, it plays a role in your circulatory system and how we're in particular where

all the nourishment goes or whether it does or doesn't or whether you, you know, all your emotional

negativity, how it moves through the body and how it weakens the different organs inside the body.

So it has a huge, huge role. Thanks for walking us through that because I never really

thought about spirit being the eternal part. I was, I was think of it and refer to it as higher

self or that oversol aspect and then our soul being that and not the incarnate, but the aspect that

art that we experience in this lifetime and or other lifetimes. So that's given me different

terminology to think of it through. Where would you recommend people starting out? Everybody's different

on their spiritual journey or their path. But when it looks, when somebody's looking for healing

or self-healing, where's the first place that they should start? Making time for it.

Thank you. Thank you. Yes. And I mean, I'm the excuses for it. You have to make time for it

because I feel like the medical system and what it teaches us and healing are the complete

opposites of each other usually. And again, I'm not saying not to take medication if you really

need it. We all do a different times. But if you can avoid it, do because it has side effects

and they're not very good ones. But essentially with healing, you know, with medicine, you take

something, you don't just think about it. It's just like you're not in control. Something

else is doing whatever it's doing. You don't know anything about it. You don't know anything

about your body. It's a complete opposite of healing. Healing is you deciding that you want to

be in charge. You want to understand. You want to explore. You want to grow and evolve. You want to

essentially see it as not just pain relief or even healing a disease. But as something that

opens the door to knowing yourself. And so you have to create time and you have to take responsibility.

And not responsibility for, oh, somebody abused me and did this to me. No, the responsibility,

like I can say, you know, in my life, I have been bullied, but I also have been sexually abused.

It's not that I go, oh, I deserve to be bullied, but you know, I take responsibility in that way.

Oh, I somehow deserve to be sexually abused. Absolutely not. The responsibility is that

I'm the only person that can connect to that experience. Understand something from it.

Turn it around from something that is hurting me and is destroying me to something that I can

use to help me other people in whatever way or form. And through that

heal and transform without that, there's just that it's not possible.

And speaking of time, making the time for it and doing the exploration and that work

that goes in, but you mentioned earlier too, sometimes people aren't ready for it just yet and

or other things need to happen. So there is part of that trust and surrender that it will happen

in that divine time, but really being more consciously aware of what is your role and what is your

responsibility in your own healing. Now, what does it look like to live in a way that supports

ongoing self-healing rather than quick fixes? You mentioned like the medication, for example.

And to me, that's a bandaid. There are some things that can help us from the inside, like eating

nourishing food, getting sunshine, drinking and hydrating and doing all of those things.

And that's not necessarily a quick fix, but what would be, you know, a way to spiritually live

this healing path? I think it's putting together in your life a pathway where

as soon as you wake up, as soon as you wake up, you start to meditate or have an intention or a

focus for the day. And I'm going to say healing practice, essentially, that you do on a daily basis.

It is a lifestyle. So the way that I teach people or talk about this is what are you already

doing in your life? Same, yeah. I train myself to, I have a set of particular meditations

that I do in the morning that connect me to the spirit world, because that's how I want to live.

I know during the time of sleep, I am going into the spiritual world. So I want to come back with

that support. We all have showers, I think, or most of us have showers when we, you know, after we

get up. And so I'll say to people, okay, while you're having a shower, can you take a moment to scan

quickly and sense where is my body at? Or even as you're washing yourself, can you say something

beautiful, loving to different parts of your body? Can you acknowledge something for a times

in deeper work? I'll actually, when we're working with the archetypes, I'll say to people,

okay, if you're working with your feminine or you're in a child or something, just two minutes or

five minutes in the shower, put on a song, and that's with that partner in the shower. Or, you know,

like start to reprogram yourself. Okay, then what are you going to do next? You're going to brush

your teeth. Can you say some nice things to yourself or look into your eyes and acknowledge?

And when you're getting dressed, rather than just taking anything, can you start to go, what

would be healing color for me today? What do I feel like wearing, user and user intuition there?

Maybe even, you know, 10 seconds to reflect on the color, I'll go learn about that color,

right? And because color is also part of your personality and your, you know, kind of how it

makes you feel color is, you know, it's how you show up in the world, how others experience you,

it's a feeling like you said. So, you know, doing that and then eating consciously, taking a moment,

and again, tuning into the body and going, is this cultivating good for me right now?

Is this nourishing? So, it's, it's moving through the day. And I also say to people,

when you learn processes and you're just to rewind for a minute, I mentioned themes.

I feel like when people focus on themes as opposed to on, I've got 20 things to do, right?

They have much better results than when they go, well, I have 20 things. Okay, but what's the most

important right now in terms of focused, detailed healing? And I guide and teach people to

create maps for themselves. And also to actually create, look at their diaries to start on Sunday

when it comes to actual longer, longer processes. And to go, I'm going to book myself, you know,

date with myself for healing. And, you know, three times a week, I'm going to have this hour,

no one and nothing unless they're dying can take that time. I'm, you know, and this is a time

where I'm going to do this. And also putting reminders on their phones where, you know, you might go,

okay, I'm a twerk. What are the things that I can do for two minutes, right? I can take a moment

and breathe deeply. I can ask a question of myself. Again, I teach people a lot about pressure point

work. I mean, maybe I can hold a pressure point. Nobody knows that I'm doing it. Maybe I can go to

the bathroom and ground myself or, you know, it's creating that practice through the day that supports

you in strengthens you. And at the same time, I'm going to say it's also, especially as you're

working on themes, it's being specific with the theme and bringing joy and fun to it.

So it's kind of like I'm working on my feminine theme. I know my feminine, the part of me that's

feminine wants to go out and spend time with people and not have time limits and, you know, dance

and enjoy and, you know, not care about work, for instance. And so if I ignore that, then what

happens is that it become hardened inside and more irritated and reactive with my partner.

And so now, now I have to move to the theme of relationships, because I actually didn't, you know,

honor this, let's say on the weekend or, you know, I haven't done the things that nourish that

feminine. And so I feel like there's the kind of loss can also be a lot of fun and joy in

balancing and going, healing is not all, oh my god, this is so painful and stressful. It's

also got this beautiful expansion and joy. And it sounds really simple, but it's very practical

and impactful when you do it that way. And as you were mentioning, finding the time in your day-to-day

routine, I refer to it as spiritual hygiene and or how we incorporate that, those ways to live our

lives fully and completely. And as you start to feel better, whether that's in the physical sense,

the emotional sense, the mental sense, all of the energy bodies, you then have time and or motivation

and energy to do more. And it's not necessarily more like a checklist, but more of that quality,

not necessarily the quantity aspect of it. Well, thank you so much, Ena, for being here.

For anyone listening who is either starting or in the middle of their own healing journey,

what's the final thing you want them to know? And then please share how listeners can find you

and learn more about your work. I want people to know that it doesn't have to be fast. I feel like

we live in a society where instant fast, easy is what, you know, what we're advertised. And somehow,

if it's not instant fast and easy, we fail as opposed to it is okay for takes time and it should

take time and anything that's real takes time. And that there's going to be days where it doesn't

feel like you're getting anywhere, but those days are really important as well to just acknowledge

it and just to be there and that struggle is a part of life and a part of life that

stretches you, expands you and pushes you to grow in a way that nothing else will. And I do

believe that the soul comes with an agenda and their agenda is that I grow more in this life

and I become deeper, more enriched, more wise than I was when I came. And I truly believe that

being a turtle is better than being in the hair because the turtle wins the race. So be kind to

yourself. And one more thing I want to say is that celebrate your wins because the people that I

100% can say to you have healed the fastest in my 25 years of experience are always the ones that

acknowledge any and every progress and celebrate it. The small wins as well as the big wins.

That's important. I think the small wins are even more important because it's easier to,

you know, to recognize the big ones, but we often don't, you know, and actually do take time

to celebrate. And I mean, like, what does celebration mean to you? Figure that out and then celebrate

in that way, without necessarily having, like, so I'm going to put celebration doesn't mean having

something that isn't not good for your health. Yeah, it's recognizing your success list.

And in terms of people, you know, if people have been interested in what I'm saying and

there's so much more to it, I think we've just started to scratch the surface. But if you're

interested, then I really encourage people to go to my website, which is you know, seal.com.

And go to the section on master classes because this is something that, you know, in speaking about

how do we empower people and take away their reasons for not doing something, you know,

how do we take away excuses? And what I've done in the last couple of years is I've recorded

master classes on many different topics, starting from self-healing and connecting to your body

and how to do that and what it's saying to, and they're between two and a four hour long. I'm

going to say to how do we understand our purpose, to how do we become a healer, you know, or

go really deep into our healing journey and awaken, it's called awakening the healer within,

to understanding our stages of development from childhood and what causes a lot of the issues

that we have to ancestry. So lots of different options and start with whatever kind of,

let's use our intuition, whatever your intuition says, oh, I like this, but actually give yourself

time, get a journal and write down your insights and follow the processes because each one has

between two and three processes, people to actually participate in. I don't think we're going to

have it for free forever, I'm going to say. So at some point, we're going to charge, I always

used to charge for this type of thing, but I just feel like we're in a time where people need to make

choices, you know, and there's so many more people that I seek than ever before, but there's also

so many more possibilities to get better than ever before. And I just wanted to give to people

that are possibility fast to go, let me connect. And then if you want to go further, then there's,

you know, all sorts of courses that I teach that people can participate in as well.

Well, thank you so much, and I'll be sure to include your website, that master class link,

and then help people can get you on social media. And for now, we are going to go over to

Patreon for our patrons. So thank you so much again, Ena, for being on a psychic story.

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