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She's an ambassador to the asthma and allergy foundation of America

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Robin Wilson. How you doing, Robin?

How are you doing? Well, how are you?

Well, Robin, I got this fantastic looking book called Clean Design,

Wellness for Your Lifestyle.

And you autographed it, thank you.

That means I get to keep you right now.

Now, this is a book, my wife is going to take this from me,

because it's always the amazing pictures,

and she's always on me, Robin, about take off your shoes,

shake your coat before you bring it in the house.

You know, I'm so annoyed, I just ignore her

and sitting there and going to another conversation

that we won't do on the show,

but she's after reading your book, I gotta say,

honey, I apologize.

I should have been listening to you.

I have to go public with this.

I apologize, because after reading your book,

she has been absolutely telling me to do the right thing,

and I may have had a much more breathing,

and better breathing environment in my home

if I have listened to her.

Talk about your company and your brand clean design.

Well, first of all, thank you for having me on the show,

and I wanted to let you know that one in five people

suffer from asthma or allergies,

that's 60 million Americans.

And one of the first places we think of

is the weaving and sneezing outside,

but we forget about our homes,

which absolutely should be a sanctuary for easy breathing.

And figure white is right.

Yeah, they go back to us.

You're gonna record this, I'm gonna talk to them.

Because I want to talk to the public here,

the general public in the sense that,

we assume a lot of things we walk through life.

We go out there into pollen.

We complain about it,

and then we just come right back into our house

with that pollen, with those flakes you may not see,

and we might just sit on the sofa.

We might even dive into our bed and watch TV.

All that is what you're talking about,

and you're trying to tell us to stop,

and realize that we are carriers, correct?

Well, I think the first thing to say is,

when you walk into your home, take your shoes off,

take your hat off, take your coat off,

and try to leave all of that outside air, outside pollen,

and any other issues at your doorstep.

And then create a safe home environment,

not just for you, but for your children.

A lot of people are dead that your shoes,

in some places, you could be walking across a park,

and you never know what's happened on the grass

or on that parkway.

And so you don't want E. coli in your home, for example.

You don't want other toxins in your home.

But my book, Clean Designed Home,

was actually my second book.

We've created a lifestyle brand over 24 years.

I am the first black woman, American woman,

to have a global lifestyle brand

focused on the allergen aware consumer.

We are sold at 51 Macy stores from Guam to Puerto Rico.

We're at 56 belt stores on Wayfair, Shopify,

and every branch of the military, actually,

the PX faces have our brand.

That should show you that it is a problem

that people are trying to find a solution to.

And our Clean Designed Home brand hopes to be

and remain the number one allergen aware brand.

You might notice I'm not using the term hypoallergenic.

I say that because Jane Doe might be allergic to something

and the next person is not.

So by saying allergen aware,

we actually are trying to make sure people know

what's in their product.

So they can make a decision about what works for their skin

or their environment at their home.

I remember Robin, first of all,

thank you for coming to my show to talk about Clean Designed,

talk about lifestyle, talk about the home.

And we want to get in detail in your book

because I travel a lot on airplanes

and not fly with a mask and a very comfortable flying

with a mask.

And but every once in a while I see people

get on the plane carrying this little beat up pillows.

You know, these little ugly pillows.

I can make a, I mean, like, you know,

this pillow then saw another life.

This pillow saw another life.

And I go, and my mind I go,

that pillow, first of all, it's coming on the plane.

And then it's being hugged up by this person.

And then this plane, this pillow's going off on the plane.

And you have a story about pillows in your book

that you talk about.

I'm gonna allow you to tell everybody

about those pillows that we sometimes have fallen in love with.

We need to be doing something else with them.

Call them, put them in the trash.

Well, you are so funny.

I actually asked someone recently,

I spoke to a big group and I said,

when was the last time each of you

washed or replaced or pillow?

And there was just a wave of groans and grimaces

across the room.

And I said to everyone, I said,

the average answer is six years,

but they're the outlier that have had their pillow since college

and they're now in their 40s.

So that's pretty gross when you think about the dandruff,

the pollen, the drool,

and any other number of pathogens

that could be in your pillow.

But I make it funny when I say to someone,

break up with your pillow.

Get a first pillow.

And there's a simple test.

If you can fold your pillow over and it stays in place,

it probably weighs more now than when you bought it.

Pillows should pop back.

You know, you fold it a little bit

and it just pops back into place.

That's a pretty healthy pillow.

One of the things most people don't know

is I have a rule of three because you can actually

wash a down alternative pillow.

That means that if you think about your pillow

as an ecosystem in and of itself,

you can wash the pillow cover every three weeks,

wash the pillow protector.

That means a zippered pillow protector every three months.

And then every three years,

if you haven't done all those things,

you need to replace your pillow.

Think like the batteries, you know, every see this.

And then on top of that, it's also a beauty story.

Have you ever wondered when you're traveling,

you go to a hotel and you come back

with each so refreshed and everybody's like,

oh my God, you look so good.

What happened?

You know, and you're like, oh, I'm so great.

Three days later, you're stuffed up,

and you have circles under your eyes again.

And what you may be doing is sleeping on a dirty pillow.

And that means when you think about a hotel,

they're refreshing their pillows all the time.

You come home to that pillow,

you should be breaking up with.

Right.

And you should absolutely go to clean design home

to check us out.

Well, that's why you're on the show.

Because I'm going to share a couple of stories about,

I think some people need to hit the truth.

You know, I'm not the person who,

I remember in about 2001, I was always coffeeed.

I mean, it was to a point I was coffeeing so much

that I didn't really, I'm not saying suicidal,

but it was just constant cough.

It was just a constant cough,

and it was just frustrating me because,

I didn't know how to get rid of it.

It wasn't a cold cough, it was a constant cough.

And that was, and eventually learned that was tied

to my pillow in my Los Angeles apartment.

Because what happened was I traveled so much,

a Robin, and because I traveled,

I never could figure out where it was.

You know, and it turned out I was allergic to that pillow.

That I don't know what the pillow was.

Once I got rid of that pillow, my cough went away.

And that's when we talked about clean design,

making sure the environment you stay in.

And then another story was when I found out,

I was allergic to feathers.

To feathers.

And I was in Austin, my daughter was touring

she was playing tennis with my wife,

and I just broke out.

And I was just laying on a sofa.

And that's when I discovered I was allergic to feathers.

And again, you have to realize these patterns,

and these patterns can really lead to a lifestyle

that can kill you and not only kill you,

can frustrate you.

And so when you wrote your book, Clean Design,

what was the basic purpose of it, Robin?

I think that the premise goes back to,

I grew up with allergies in asthma.

I jokingly say I was the lab rat for my lifestyle.

And a lot of people today recognize that allergens

can create or allergic reactions

can create a chronic inflammation in your body.

That means when you really get sick,

you're immune system's weak.

So I recommend always using a down alternative pillow

because it can be washed number one.

I also recommend that you try to protect your mattress

with a mattress protector and also protector pillow

with a pillow protector.

So let me take it to another place.

I grew up in Austin, Texas.

I'm surprised you mentioned Austin.

And I call it the weaving and staging capital world, right?

Because it's blooming all year round.

Beautiful, greenery.

And so you weave and see outside.

And if you don't have certain protocols inside,

then you're also weaving and sneezing inside.

I also believe that a lot of people don't realize,

and when they read the book,

they'll learn that the same pollen profile

that you might be allergic to grass or some trees,

you can come inside and eat a fruit

from that same profile or vegetable from that same profile.

And it will cause you to just double up your load of allergens.

And so let's say you're allergic to grass

or to trees and then you come in and eat a cucumber.

It might be the exact same pollen profile.

And so I'm trying to educate people

about simple steps they can use to protect them,

so especially during allergy and asthma season,

and may, as you know, as allergy and asthma awareness month,

so you're way ahead of the curve

in talking about this subject.

Well, I have to because of the fact that it personally impacts

me, impacts my family, my daughter, my wife.

And if you don't realize what's going on,

it can run a relationship,

can run your experience socially,

can make you, your sleeping habits can be impacted by.

It can make you a grumpy person.

It can make you a person that people don't want to be around

because you don't understand what's bothering you.

And that's what the clean design is all about.

And let me just, before we go,

we're going to go to break to the minute

and I want to just set up what we're going to talk about

on the backside of this break.

Clean design is a room by room guy by Robin Wilson,

who I'm speaking to.

She is an expert in creating a wellness lifestyle

and a lifelong allergy and asthma.

She's life-zone allergy and asthma sufferer.

Just like me, I'm an allergy sufferer.

And this book will enable you to eliminate

and manage allergy triggers,

which I had to find and had to discover

and create a comfortable and non-toxic home environment.

Before we go to break, when people come to you,

I'm pretty sure people get pretty emotional

because like I said, when I was coughing in Los Angeles,

you know, I won't say the word suicide,

but I really didn't feel like living

because it was just really, really bad.

And I was just constantly coughing and coughing.

It was always in the morning

because I was doing the morning show,

Steve Harvey morning show from 6 a.m. to 10 a.m.

And that whole run, I was, it was about six months,

I was just constantly coughing.

And so when people come to you and say, thank you,

I'm pretty sure you get, it can't get pretty emotional,

correct, Robin?

Certainly, and especially when it's a parent with a child

who maybe they've been rushing their child

to the emergency room in the middle of the night.

And I simply will say, change the pillow,

test the pillow, change the sheets,

and dust under the bed.

And a few other, you know, places like

get the ceiling fan clean, clean from the top down.

You give them simple tips.

The next thing you know, you get that nice letter.

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This is a beautiful book, by the way.

It was a lot of,

it's like, can one say it's a coffee table book?

Because that's that feeling with all these beautiful photos

and the imagery, but it has so much information

that you can't leave it on the coffee table

because you need to be reading this in your bed,

reading it in your drinking coffee,

reading it in your office breaks

because there's so much vital information

that can change a person's lifestyle.

Yes, well, those are all my designs

from my design work over the last period of time.

With my client's permission,

we've published photos of their spaces,

but this book is a primer.

It's not meant to be read, covered, a cover.

There's a, for each room, there's a kitchen.

There's the nursery, there's the bathroom.

You can read it, learn what you need to learn.

Put it away, come back to it as you need to.

And so if you read it, cover to cover it,

we'll feel repetitive,

but a lot of people gain so much information.

You learn simple things that I actually omitted to my grandmother

who was a housekeeper in the era of the help.

And she had a book,

and back then you didn't have the commercial cleaners

that you find in the grocery store.

She's lemon juice and toothpaste and baking soda

and Coca-Cola.

And so people are like Coca-Cola.

And so yeah, did you know you can pour Coca-Cola

in your toilet overnight?

And if you have a ring, it will be gone

in the morning with a little elbow grease.

If you have a child who puts crayon on the wall,

we can use toothpaste to get that crayon off

instead of putting a toxic cleanser at their nose level.

And you can also clean the tile in your bathroom

and make it white with toothpaste.

Simple tips to prevent your home

from being overloaded with chemicals.

Wow, just smiling when I was listening to this information

because when I get home, my wife won't leave.

She won't be just wagging the finger,

but she don't have a lot to say

because she's like a kindred spirit with you

with this information you have in this book.

Now, we talked about the entryways in the mud rooms.

Now, I'm gonna tell you what I do.

I come home, you know, put my keys down,

I unload it at the doorway.

I guess you can call it the entryway

of the mud room area, you know?

And then I, then I come and I just flop in the middle

of the room and I turn on the remote and I'm watching TV.

Okay, what mistakes, if you know what I've just said,

I've done.

Did you take your shoes off?

No.

Did you maybe wash your hands and then change your clothes?

So you have, I call it your city street clothes

and then you have your lounge wear that you have at home.

No.

So you put whatever, let's say you rode the train that day

or you were in the park, you just put all that pollen

or whatever on your couch.

So this is what she does, she goes, watch your hands.

I ain't got tap on that, I ain't got tap on that.

I'm all I wanted you to drink a glass of water,

wash your hands.

And then, so I'm saying that I'm here in the truth

because of the fact that these are things that I resist

and I eventually do it with a little nagging

and I wash my hands or I grab a fruit

and then she said, wash your hands for you before you eat that.

And of course, I put the fruit on the water

but then, you know, is my hands washed?

Your hands were, yes, the good athletes.

I just didn't say, if you were to imagine,

and this sounds really gross,

but if you were to imagine that every surface you touch,

you got some glitter on the fingers.

Every surface, so that means you touched the railing

on the train, you touched your door handle,

you touched your, maybe you have to put gas

in your cars, you touched that pump

that a million people have touched and so on.

And then you come inside and you touch a plate of food.

How much glitter would be on your fingers?

Now, if you say those were germs,

some, your body right now maybe can fight it off,

maybe it can, but now you are putting that inside of you.

Just have that moment.

So now you wash your hands,

takes you the happy birthday song to wash your hands.

Right?

And now you're now at least you've mitigated some of the germs.

That's all.

But it's all about effort.

It's all about consistency.

And when you was, when you was going,

cause in your book, you go from room to room,

you go from entryway, you go to the living room,

you talk about the kitchen, you talk about the bedroom,

where you spend 130 of your life,

baby nursery, bathroom, home offices,

larger room basement, garages, and addicts,

outdoor living.

So you break it down.

You let, there are no excuses to people going,

okay, Robin, what about the addict?

Okay, I got, I got something for you.

Hey, Robin, what about my bedroom?

All right, got something for you.

Hey, Robin, what about the kitchen?

I got something for you.

Because you want to make sure that when people,

when you talk to your house about clean design,

you want to make sure this is how you can design

and live a good life.

And that's important to you, correct?

Right.

It is, I said this to someone recently,

if you tomorrow were diagnosed with diabetes,

you're going to probably do whatever

the doctor tells you to do.

If you recognize that asthma is a chronic condition,

just like diabetes, in fact, before COVID,

I think it was the fourth leading cause of death,

you would do what your doctor says.

And what he often will say or she will say

is you need a clean environment.

You need to make sure you watch what you eat.

You need to have a clean pillow and bedding.

You need to duster home.

You need to take your shoes off at the front door.

And you need to make sure, first and foremost,

that if you bring pollen into the house,

either you wash her hair or, you know,

what do you call it?

You brush it out or you wear a sleep cap or something.

Something to make sure you're not turning over

to smell the night and having that reaction.

Now, what is that reaction?

That's what most people are like.

Why is it three in the morning?

I don't feel well.

And I remind them that during the day,

we have something called cortisol,

it's a stress hormone.

Now, it allows us to get through the day

and all this stressful things we encounter.

And at some point, it leaves your body.

It goes to a lower level.

So you can sleep and go into room sleep.

Well, that's about the time when that stress hormone's gone,

which is when your body can react

for lack of a better word.

So reactions can be, when people think about this,

they're, eczema, hay fever, and asthma are all in the same family.

So you might wake up with a rash on your arm,

on your face.

That could be an eczema reaction.

You might wake up with the cough or the wheezing.

It might be your hay fever reaction.

And you might have a full-on asthma attack.

All in the same family, different degrees

and different manifestations.

Now, if you just do simple steps to manage the triggers,

then the likelihood that it will go to full-on asthma attack

is less.

Just the same way in diabetes, right?

If you eat well, don't binge on a chocolate bar

at the wrong time, the likelihood

you're going to go into full-diabetic coma is very low.

And that's what people don't understand.

And really, asthma is like your choking.

You can't breathe in.

All you want is you can't breathe out.

It's like you're suffocating from the inside out.

It's very scary if you've had an asthma attack.

Robin, as we close out the show,

we've been talking about your book Clean Design,

Wellness for Your Lifestyle, but also

want to remind people if you can, your retail brand,

your platforms where your designs are available and retail

stores across the country to floor yours.

Well, you know, Clean Design's home is a lifestyle brand.

We're so, like I said, macy, belt, waist

there, fets off beyond every branch of military.

Number one, allergen and wear brand.

We hope that people will visit at Clean Design

home on Instagram and Facebook and friend us.

And don't so shop us.

We want to really push the one-stop shop

for a healthy lifestyle to everyone.

And especially the one-in-five people

who suffer from asthma analogies.

Robin, thank you for coming on Monday making

conferences dramatically.

I'm glad you took your time.

Change my life and allow me to tell our

honest story and share with the people

and let them know that.

You know, look, you can be hard-headed.

You can not change and guess what?

Only person who's gonna not benefit from that is you

and your family.

So change.

And again, thank you for coming on my show, Robin.

Thank you very much, Sean.

Have a wonderful day.

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I think society is gonna decide

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of responsibility to the products we put out in the world.

An in-depth conversation with the man

who's shaping our future.

My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI.

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Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of The On-Pervous Podcast.

My latest episode is with Noah Kahn,

the singer-songwriter behind the multi-platinum global hit,

Stick Season, and one of the biggest voices in music today.

Talking about the mental illness stuff,

it used to be the thing that I was ashamed of.

Getting to talk about this is not common for me.

Right now, I need it more than ever.

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