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We've got a bunch of pre arbitration signings that took place and an explanation of what

exactly happened with Mason when we've got not one but two games to talk about in this

one which included a rough appearance by one of the Cardinals.

Most important bullpen arms but we're going to start with what we saw on Wednesday as the

Cardinals face the Washington nationals and it was another day where the pitching pretty

good.

Hitting pretty uninspiring.

We had a lineup that featured a lot of the people that the Cardinals are going to be counting

on in 2026.

This is a legit lineup here.

Mason when JJ weather hold Alec Burleson Jordan Walker.

Colin Gorman Jose Firmin Pedro Pahas Nathan Church and the Hulk himself Raniel Rodriguez.

These were your starters against the Washington nationals.

And what has become an all too common theme so far here in the spring.

Things did not go so well.

This group of starters managed to go three for 24 on Wednesday.

Three for 24.

And this time you can't before you do it.

Before you say it.

Oh, I bet it was so and so cannot put the blame on Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman this

time around because they had two of the three hits Mason when was over three saw his

bringing average drop down to 158.

What's up with that JJ weather haul he walks was hit by a pitch goes over one but that's

now eight walks so far this JJ which is one short of the league lead and he's got an

OBP of 500 so far so even though he was going for one.

He's on base two out of three times so not going to complain about that Alec Burleson.

Oh for three with a walk he's down to 250 Jose Firmin over three is down to 143 Jose Firmin

had four hits in his first ten at bats and it was very exciting.

And we were like all right Jose Firmin is getting a chance to show that you know he belongs

in the major leagues and then he should be playing more.

He's over 18 cents so the average has fallen way down to 143 Paz over two batting average

down to 111 this spring.

Rodriguez over four two strikeouts and he grounded into a double play when they announced

the lineup I was like oh man I was like wouldn't this would have been a good game to have

on TV because you got to see Dustin May and of course JJ's in the lineup and then you

got Rodriguez and now I'm kind of glad that I didn't have to watch.

Rodriguez go oh for four with two strikeouts and ground into a double play although I still

would have liked to have seen him play because we haven't got a chance to do it very often.

But either way not a great day for him.

Lot of attention is on Walker and Gorman for good reason here in 26.

There are no excuses for them anymore they are playing the positions that they are supposed

to be playing.

They're not they're not getting moved to weird spots places that are you know they're

not used to.

These are their positions right field and third base.

They don't have any veterans standing in their way limiting them from being able to get

500 bats maybe even 600 if you play well.

The org has back them their manager Ali marble has back them their teammates have back

them and now the fan base is just waiting for the results.

And in this one it was the two out combination of Burley Walker and Gorman.

They finally got the Cardinals on the board in the sixth inning.

Burley walked on four straight Walker ends up driving the one one slider up the middle

gets through into center field and then it was Gorman who turned on a no two fastball

lined it into right field for an RBI single to tie the ball game up at one a piece.

And I hate to you know I hate having to use like the kitty gloves when I talk about

these guys.

But after so much negativity that has surrounded Walker and Gorman the last couple seasons

you know you're still kind of like well I don't want to be a total jerk every time things

don't go great.

And when you're looking for positives to come away with from what you've seen so far

in the spring heading into this new year.

That's what you got in this inning.

That was a positive inning that included Walker and Gorman.

So yay we applaud that.

Now overall the results are still extremely underwhelming for I would say more Walker

than than Gorman like Georgia Walker is now hitting just 231 in the spring.

And I know we're not supposed to get bent out over you know bent out of shape about stats

in the spring.

Or bad you're supposed to just kind of stay even keel.

But Jordan Walker is hitting 231 he's six for 26 with eight strikeouts and just two walks

only two RBI's and zero extra bass hits none.

This is a man who is six foot six 250 pounds.

He's as big as Giancarlo Stan who is a massive man.

The ball should be flying off of his bat even when he doesn't catch it flush on the barrel.

And yet the mystery continues on why he can't put the ball in the air and do it with authority

more frequently.

It's an absolute mystery nobody can seem to figure it out and I remember and I'm sure

you do too.

It's when they first brought him up that first season and he was getting bass hits and the

batting average was fine but they were like look we got to work on you you know getting

the ball in the air we need some left dude we need to work on this.

And I do remember at that time and I was like well isn't he hitting like three something

right now like just kind of let him do his thing you know he's a he's a rookies 20 like

you know we're going to mess with the swing already.

And whatever has happened since then since that season because memory came back and he

wasn't so bad he's actually had a pretty good rookie season.

That's then it's what what is this it's it's confusing and we don't know why we don't

know what has happened like well where the things go so wrong that a man of his stature

is not even hitting line drives anymore it's all just going into the ground.

So it's problem it's problem no engorment is batting just 160 this spring.

He's 4 for 25 but on the positive side of things with gorman he does have two home runs

in five ribbies and he's only struck out four times while walking three times what was

the big problem with gorman way too many strikeouts right and as I've said before you would

take the lower batting average and the higher amount of strikeouts as long as when he is

putting the ball in play he's doing some serious damage on those balls that he connects

with like if he's hitting just singles like like Walker you're not going to be thrilled

with the results but we've seen the kind of production we were hoping to see from him so

far this spring the too long fly he's also hit a couple into the win they should have been

gone and they've been hung up so and he's cut down the strikeouts so I feel like gorman

is on a better path than Jordan Walker is so far this spring the only other hit in this

game was at least starters wise was from nathan church who got the start and center field

and that ball didn't leave the infield so it's now like you he ripped one through the

cartels offense the score to one run in each of its last two games left field continues

to be a competitive spot we're still looking for answers there so JC's off at the WBC you've

seen for mean you've seen church you've seen Nelson Velazquez get a lot of the action

of course Joshua bias as well but we know he's going to start in Memphis has already been

cut from the major league camp to uh to go down and he'll start at Memphis this year which

is what we thought should happen it was it like when I tweeted that out I was it I really

wasn't saying like hey he should be started like that's not what I meant it kind of got

misconstrued but you know he had a heck of a spring so I'm excited to see him continue

his progression and we'll see what he does at Memphis when the season starts but the

other three guys for mean church Velazquez um we can focus on those three right now and

Velazquez hit another home run in the game on Tuesday against the mats he now leads the

cartels in spring with eight hits so far he's eight for 23 is it in 348 with two home runs

three RBI's five walks and just two struggles and if you remember he did start off the spring

kind of slow he was two for ten but in his last five games he's now batting 462 going

six for 13 both his home runs have come in the last five games just one strike out so

he's putting the ball in play if he continues to do this will it be enough for him to earn

a spot despite not being on the 40 man roster which is like the real problem here because

like okay well he's not on the 40 man means you got to get somebody off the 40 man that

you're willing to get rid of you know I'm sure you can find somebody in there but um you

know is that going to be enough for them to to trust him to be on the major league roster to be

a bench bat or even the starting left fielder like I don't know we still got some time to figure that

out but the clock is ticking because we are on March 11th and we are only 15 days away 15 days away

from opening day we're going to talk about Dustin May 2nd started the spring which happened

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game and we're going to start with the starter makes sense right Dustin May is going to get my

number one start a star of the game and this is despite having what you know I would consider a

a rougher time in this game than he then he had in his debut really a lot of the effort that he

had to put forth in this one was in the first inning the cartels stop free agent acquisition kind

of had a long first inning and it started with what is the biggest no no lead off walks that's

right lead off walk to new nia's who ends up stealing second base although the broadcast thought he

was out but you know there are no challenges uh during spring training for that kind of stuff so

safe was the call so we remained on second base then nats young stud james wood ended up uh

grounding out to first base to move the runner over then you get a double off of burly's glove

brings in the run to make it one to nothing tail is old as time lead off lock comes around the score

next guy grounded to win it's short who tried to get the runner going to third again the broadcast

thought he was out but again no challenges safe was the call made it first and third with one

out may would strike out the next hitter which was Ruiz on on a heater up in the zone actually out of

the zone it was way up uh but that would take him to 19 pitches in the inning so Ali came out and

pulled them from the game let Ian Badeau come then finish that inning which he did by getting

a ground out from the next hitter and I know people were freaking out on line about this when

they saw that he was out of the game in the first inning and it was all part of the plan it's just

19 pitches let's let's get him down and get him arrested real quick and you know you can do that

that reentry role in spring training so may comes back out of the second he got the nats one two

three with another strike out this time he did it on a change up to the left he mervis to win the

second and the 30 allows one out one out walk but erase that on a double play then in the fourth

he allowed a rocket single to the lead off hitter after he left a sinker over the heart of the play

lucky that one didn't go over the wall but then he got to fly outs in another strike out this time

he got the whiff on the sweeper and that ended his day final line three and two thirds innings

one run two hits two walks three strike out 61 pitches Velo resting comfortably around 96 97

but he was also touching 98 multiple times and most importantly not hurt no injury concerns

after the game so that that's huge right second serve the game goes to Nathan Church who had

a one of only five cardinal sits also stole his first base of the spring which is great

and it sure feels like Nathan Church is going to be the answer while large new bars out it just

feels like it makes a lot of sense he's got you know the upside defensively he's got the arm he's

got speed defensively wise he's far far to way better than for means to JC and Velasquez plus

it's not like he has sucked with the bat I mean he's been fine he's hitting 263 he's got the one

home run three RBI's four walks four strike outs a stolen base does a little bit of everything

if newt was in there and I told you that was newt's numbers through this point in spring training

you'd be cool with that you'd be more than happy be like all right newt's on his way not bad

so why would we think differently about Nathan Church who's getting a nice long look

as the possible starting left fielder for the Cardinals while large newt bars out third star

of the game I'm going to give this one to Gorman we talked about this already but it's too

wild RBI single perhaps the Nolan Gorman for for that at bat I'd also like to give some love to

JJ Weatherhole who was on two more times with the walk got hit by a pitcher we all had to

because we were worried that he'd hit all right it was the same pitcher Cavali and he had hit church

and then he hit Weatherhole and obviously both of them are from the left side so we're like

all right dude stop it quit hitting our left hand to hitters but sigh of relief everybody was

fine they both stayed in the game weatherhole stole his second base of the spring in this one as

well a lot of discussion on the broadcast about where they want to hit JJ when opening day rolls

around there was an argument whether he should be first whether he should be second

the answer is yes get him up there at the top of the order personally I like him in the lead-off

spot for now because he's the one guy who is it chasing and seems to be willing to let the game

come to him and he'll walk if you want to walk in he's not in hurry he doesn't need to swing all

the time you know Mason win as much as we love him and it seems like they want to get him to be the

lead-off guy he just doesn't walk enough he does it and JJ's also got that power thread you know

Mason win sure he could put one over the wall here and there but JJ's got legit pop and for him

to have you know the the good batter's eye to be able to put the ball over the wall and be dangerous

in that lead-off spot as well as when he does get on base if he does walk or however he gets on

as a threat to steal a bag that's a lead-off header so I am kind of on board with him batting

lead-off from the get-go so we'll see what ends up happening uh Bolton was good again on

Wednesday at least until the very end when Marino gave up a couple runs of the ninth but uh

Justin Bruehl Matt's Fonson Ryan Fernandez three shut out innings for those guys each also

struck out a hitter Ryan Fernandez continues to look better and better ever since that first

bat outing he had in the spring and as far as observations from Tuesday six to one loss against

the Metz goes you had the Velazquez home run which is a bomb uh Victor Scott one for three got thrown

out stealing although again there was no replay but it looked safe to me I was shocked they called

them out but the team managed just one run on three hits there was not a lot of offense there once

again reliever Riley O'Brien had a really rough outing walking four and just two thirds of an

inning uh only 11 of his 27 pitches were thrown at strikes uh also threw a wild pitch like that was

a mess for for Riley O'Brien but haven't heard anything about him being hurt so that's good uh

but that was just his second appearance since coming back from that cap issue that he suffered

earlier in camp uh Packey Norton continues to be a wonderful story after being out of baseball

basically for what two years has been trying to come back and uh he threw another shut out

inning in that game on Tuesday he's now made five appearances and hasn't a lot of run

has given up just two hits it hasn't walked a single hitter and he's got six strikeouts

Packey Norton does he make the roster can he be uh the left-handed reliever the the

the Cardinals are searching for we'll find out uh Cardinals announced contract agreements with 29

pre-arbitration service time players but there's something different about the Mason win portion of

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locked on the number one sports podcast network cardinals announced that they have signed 29 of

their pre arbitration service time players to contracts for the 26 season and that short stop

Mason win has opted to have his contract renewed hold on I'll explain this the team now has all

players on its 40 player major league roster under contract for the 26 season here are your names

Joshua bias Leo Bernal Justin Bruell Nathan Church Jimmy Crooks Hunter Dobbins Jose Firmin

Ryan Fernandez Richard Fitz Gordon Grassofo Tinkins Yvonne Herrera Cooper Jirpie Kyle Leahy

Bryson Mott Michael McGreevy Riley O'Brien Pedro Pahas says our Prieto Matt Pushard Nick Raquet

Dakota Robi Chris Roycroft Thomas J C Victor Scott the second George Soriano Matt Sponson

Brian Torres and Jordan Walker so what is the Mason win part of all of this as explained by Derrick

Wool the wonderful sports writer at STL today.com who covers the cardinals for them so if you haven't

followed him on Twitter you should do it because you got a lot of info smart man Mason win this

is how he explains it says Mason win was the only player who had his contract renewed by the

Cardinals this season and what that means is they could not agree on a salary for 2026 and the

team can impose its salary on him as a pre-arb player he said the Cardinals use a formula to set

the salaries for all the players with zero to three years of service time that formula used to be

publicly available fan grabs war it's changed somewhat since MLB started the bonus pool team runs

numbers makes an offer most of them agree some players reject the offer so that when and if

they go to arbitration hearings the team cannot argue that the player agreed to that salary

player can argue otherwise in the past the Cardinals impose the penalty on renewals of $10,000

less than their initial offer now what does this mean well it means that they couldn't come

do an agreement and so they just kind of move forward you have seen other teams around the league

lock up their young players the long-term deals before they go to arbitration they essentially

buy out the arbitration years and on paper Mason win appears to be a guy that maybe the Cardinals

should think about trying to do that with he and Jay Jay weather hold are the two that in my eyes

make the most sense right now but I don't even know if they're considering trying something like

that at this moment considering we've got a new CBA coming in 2027 and Lord only knows what's

going to happen with that because we don't know if there's going to be a lockout we don't know if

there's going to be a salary floor a salary cap we don't know we don't know what the heck's going

to happen with this thing but there's going to be some fighting get ready for it but um so I don't

know if the Cardinals are even thinking about that stuff yeah where they're like well let's find

out what we got going on here with CBA and then let's come doing agreement because you know if Mason

wins offense comes around the way that most people think it will and the first half of last season

was a glimpse of what he can do when healthy he loses the knee last year basically and he's a

shell of a player in the second half same thing kind of happened to another stud shortstop

alley daily cruise with the reds had this monster first half everything was going great gets hurt

and can't do hardly anything that he was really good at through the entire second half go look

at the numbers and um you know it not having one of your two legs underneath you while you play

makes life a little bit difficult so um we know he's got the club we know he's got the arm the mentality

he's the kind of guy that just looks like he's going to be a superstar um we just need the

bat to do what it did in the first half last season and have him do that through a whole season

and then you I think we'll have more people start to believe in Mason win as an all-around player

but he and Jay Jay are the guys that I would be looking at uh I don't know is there anyone else

that you guys think they need to lock up by offering something big despite not having much

with track record in the big leagues let me know in the comments down below also this was announced

that 12 members of the Cardinals Hall of Fame are expected to be in attendance for opening day

you know how big a deal this is as he Smith's going to be there my man uh Edgar Rinsor Rhea

Tony LaRusa Ray Langford Ted Simmons Vince Coleman John Tudor Jason Isringhausen

Willie McGee Mark McGuire Al Ravowski Scott Rowan um it's quite a list there and speaking of

Willie uh MLB the show again had him in a Giants jersey and then as a member of the Giants

for his first car part of their card as part of their veteran series of cards so I can only

imagine that he's going to get a Cardinals Willie McGee card for the game at some point um kind of

got hoes last year not getting a Cardinals version of Scott Rowan I feel like that everybody

else got one like Toronto Reds Phillies Cardinals didn't get one for whatever reason so that was

rude but we got Aussie we got Teddy Simmons last year we got McGuire in a Cardinals uh Beltron

got a Cardinals card Larry Walker got a Cardinals Card last year so I guess it can't complain too

much but that would be cool to see William McGee back in the game that would be a lot of fun so

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