HOT TOPICS | Is The Iran War Driven By Christian Nationalism?

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Now, I just want to tell you guys, we're speaking of stuff.

I just want to, as I go through this, right, we're going to, we're going to talk about

the Lord this morning, we're going to talk about the Lord.

We're going to talk about the Lord, Jesus, and we're going to talk about religion.

We're going to open some eyes.

I'm going to do, well, I'm not going to look, I'm not ordained, although I have

officiated weddings, and I've been ordained in that way, right, got my license and all

that stuff.

We're going to talk about how religion not has seat into our politics, because we know

that.

Remember, I want you guys to, as I'm giving you a caveat, I just want you to remember,

this is my book, right, not selling it.

If you want to buy it, find it if you don't, I don't care.

So I once was lost, my search for God in America, where I talk about, wow, the color

is good.

See, that's really the color that I am.

I talk about my faith, and part of having faith is questioning everything.

I talk about questioning everything.

And if you guys remember, for those of you who have been with me from the very beginning,

this was in 2024, when I started, in September of 2024, this book released, and I talked

about the, not the blurring of the line between church and state, but the erasure of the line

between church and state by people who believe in religious nationalism and how that was

suppressing people's rights, and that's not what our Constitution is about, it's not

what our country is about, as a believer, as a Christian.

And so my belief is that the people who do that aren't really Christians, at least they

don't know what being a Christian is.

They don't know what turning the other cheek is, they don't know what live and let live

is, they don't know what God was like, judge not.

And all of the things that religion and Christianity is supposed to be about, they don't really

follow those things unless you believe in their exact ideology, and otherwise they are

going to demonize you.

The thing for me is that we've been dealing with that forever, but this creep of religious,

religion into our politics has really been highlighted by what is happening at the Department

of Justice, or the Department of War, and this administration, the MAGA administration,

with this sort of Christian radicalism, right-wing Christian radicalism that is happening.

Don't look.

The truth is, the truth hurts.

And I cannot believe that these people, the judgment and the inhumanity that has been

perpetrated upon people because they believe, or they are telling people that, well, God

gives me the right to do this, or my religion gives me the right to do that.

We're going to have somebody, we're bringing in some of an expert to talk about this,

okay?

I don't believe that I'm an expert, but I do know a lot.

As someone who went to Catholic school every day, I told you guys this before, you get

up, they teach you to pray in the morning, right?

But anyway, that I went to school, my parents paid for that.

So the religion in my school was a private school, it wasn't a public school, where my cousins

and even my sisters who were older than me went to public schools, and they did not have

to pray, right?

But everyone did the national anthem, whatever, so we had this sort of nationalism of country

for subonus.

And hey, look, I love my country just as much as anyone else, the national anthem makes

me cry when I hear it, especially when Whitney Houston does it amazing.

So, but my parents paid for that, and so if you're going to a Catholic school, then that's

what happens.

If you're whatever school you're going to, whatever religion, if you may be going to

a parochial school or whatever kind of school that is religious, I would imagine if you're

going to, and most of them going to school for Islam, that's what they would do, okay?

So I understand that, but not in things that are secular, that just is not what we're

supposed to do here in the United States.

So you guys ready for this?

As you hit the like and you hit the thumbs up, are you ready for this, okay?

Because we're going to, I wish we had some music, don't don't, because that's kind

of church.

I went to on Sunday, don't don't, good morning congregation, don't don't, don't, don't,

as a chorus walked in, and we got ready, and all the ladies in the church hats and the

doilies, and the white dresses, you know what I'm talking about.

So I want to start by stating that, okay, you guys are going to think I'm nuts, but just

go with me here.

Are you guys ready for this?

Are you ready?

I see Louisiana in there, and I went to Southern, there's a Chiloh missionary Baptist church.

This was me, and then I went to St. Francis Xavier Catholic school during the week, lots

of God, lots of religion.

So I'm there with you.

So I'm going to start, you know, I believe it, I do, I believe it.

I believe, I believe that Donald Trump was chosen by Jesus Christ.

I believe his war with Iran is all a part of God's divine plan, as U.S. military commanders

have reportedly been saying to the troops.

How I believe it, oh yes, I do.

Because I want you to think about it, if you wanted to send a message to humanity, who

better than a man who has cheated on every single wife he's ever had, who has defrauded

just about every person he's ever been in business with, he has defrauded students

at his own university.

He has denied black people housing.

He has my disabled people all in the name of the Lord.

He is called Nazis, the Nazis, he called the neo-Nazis, very fine people on both sides.

He is fantasized about sleeping with his own daughter, oh yes, can I get a name, man?

I believe it, I believe I can fly.

Do you believe that, then you believe you can fly?

Okay, that tracks, that is very Jesus of him, isn't it?

And after all, the Lord works in mysterious ways, and the Lord works through imperfect,

I hear all that shit all the time.

Apparently, some of them involved hush money payments, yes, but I digress, yes, my friends.

In recent days, U.S. military officials have been saying that the orange man is indeed

anointed by Jesus.

To quote, light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to earth.

That is according to a complaint that was sent to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation

by one of the service members who attended a military briefing earlier this month.

The Lord is in our politics.

Now, I want you to keep all this in mind while you watch this clip, roll it.

Put yourself in the place of one of those couple hundred Americans about to undertake this

audacious raid on the Iwo Jima, looking at a lot of uncertainty in front of you.

And this was the passage and this was the pre-mission reading and the prayer that was

read with them.

These are reading from the Book of Psalms, chapter 18, verses 37 to 42, King David writes,

I pursued my enemies and overtook them and did not turn back till they were consumed.

I thrust them through so that they were not able to rise, they fell under my feet.

For you equipped me with strength for the battle.

You made those who rise against me sink under me.

You made my enemies turn their backs to me and those who hated me, I destroyed.

They cried for help, but there was none to save.

They cried to the Lord, but he did not answer them.

I beat them, find his dust before the wind.

I cast them out like the mire of the streets.

And then he prayed this prayer, the chaplain.

Okay, pause please.

Okay.

Now, I want you guys to do this.

And for those of you who may be very religious, you may be Christians.

Now I just want you to imagine how you would feel if someone was preaching or saying this

from a different text or a different religion and you are in our military or you are listening

in this country to figure out why we're going to war or why we're doing what we're doing.

Why we actually change the name of the Department of Defense when Jesus is supposed to be about

peace to the Department of War.

Now I want you to put yourselves in someone else's shoes and remember why this country

was started in large part because of religious freedom.

And that was the freedom, the religious freedom means freedom to practice whatever religion

that it is that you choose to practice.

And also, if you chose not to practice and that that was part of your personal life,

but in the world of government, in the world of business, in the secular world, that religion

has no place in it.

You can bring your morals and your values in there, but you can't demand that everyone

preaches from the same manual prayer book, religious text, doctrine, Bible, whatever.

You cannot have that's not part of what our country is supposed to be about.

That's what religious nationalists and many white nationalists and evangelicals would

like you to believe.

So I don't even, I'm not even going to finish so you understand what is happening here.

I'm not even going to play the rest of that because it goes on for three minutes where

he does that.

That of course was the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegsett, sorry, I'm sorry, is that

I'm going to get, is it the Secretary of America?

No, it's the Gulf of America, sorry I forgot, no, it's the Secretary of War.

This was at yesterday's Christian prayer and worship service at the Pentagon.

Now, if that, that was him calling on all those before him and all of us to pray for

God to quote, pour out your wrath and then, and then quote, break the teeth of the ungodly

is what he said there.

I want you to remember that.

Okay.

So let it stew in your mind while you watch this next clip rolling, press it and that

is what he is doing from the very first night of this operation, the president made it

very clear.

People like this, and now what I'm talking about is not the people of Iran, the people

that run this country are radical Shia clerics, these are religious fanatics.

Look what they are doing now at their weakest point.

This is the weakest Iran has ever been and look at what they're doing.

They're attacking embassies, they're embassies, they're attacking hotels, they, imagine

what these people would do if they had a nuclear weapon, that is an unacceptable risk for

the world.

By the way, the president is not just doing a favor to the United States and to our people.

And this is for the world.

He defined very clearly, so that is the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio saying that leaders of

Iran are religious fanatics.

Okay.

Now look, we know that there's proportionality and there's scale.

We know that if you look at the brutality of what happens in Iran in comparison to what

happens in America, there is really no comparison, but there is a comparison in the

beliefs.

There is a comparison in how it is put into practice or not practice, or people's rights

being violated.

So when he's saying that the leaders of Iran are religious fanatics, I say pot meat kettle.

I'm sorry, I think that these people are completely have no sense of self-awareness.

Kuku for Cocoa Puffs and some instances.

And who are the jihadists?

Who is using scripture and religion and God to justify their violence and bonds and

wanton murder of schoolgirls?

Don't, I mean Andy, hello.

Yep.

Okay.

Maybe I need a little more power.

Okay.

But let me just hear a little bit more from Peterx at the earlier here it is.

So I'll close with scripture drawing strength from Psalm 144.

Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.

He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield.

In whom I take refuge.

May the Lord grant unyielding strength and refuge to our warriors, unbreakable protection

to them in our homeland and total victory over those who seek to harm them.

Amen.

God bless our troops and this mission.

Why, why, why bring God into this war so much?

Why is there so much religious rhetoric all of a sudden and so much God all of a sudden

around this war?

It's very dangerous.

And just as much of a religious fanatic as anyone in any country, I mean, look, again,

as I said, the brutality of proportionality, not the same, but there are different ways

to suppress people.

I'm just saying, he is nervous to talk about the mullahs in Iran right now because that's

the reason that I think we're supposed to be over there liberating people, whatever,

but you know, but then we do the same things where Donald Trump says, you know, they kill

protesters.

Okay, yeah, they kill a lot more protesters.

I get that.

But we are too.

And you are trying to justify it.

You can have investigations into why the protesters were killed.

There's something deeply, deeply wrong here.

Again, I just want to say this is this is hex set earlier this week, demanding Americans

pray for our soldiers to kill Iranians on bended knee and then some words from, you know,

this guy used to be my competitor when I was on the same time, but I've always loved

him.

I love him even more now.

My good friend over at the MS now Lawrence, O'Donnell, here it is.

May Almighty God continue to bless our troops in this fight.

And again, to the American people, please pray for them every day on bended knee with

your family, in your schools, in your churches, in the name of Jesus Christ.

And the name of Jesus Christ means that the misguided fanatic who is by far the most

incompetent secretary of defense in history does not want the prayers or good wishes or

anything else from the 38% of Americans who are not Christian.

Donald Trump's secretary of defense does not want one Jewish prayer said in support of

Donald Trump's war, not one.

He very obviously does not want a Muslim prayer spoken anywhere in the United States in

support of Donald Trump's war on bended knee or not.

And he does not want the prayer of Christians who are not literally on their knees.

I used to kneel down for most of the prayers that we did when I was an altar boy in Catholic

elementary school, but the priests didn't.

The priests who live an even more religious life than Pete Hexeth do most of their public

praying standing up, which is apparently unacceptable to the religiosity of Pete Hexeth.

Pete Hexeth is the first secretary of defense in history who thinks he can define for Americans

the proper way of praying, the proper way of praying for a war on bended knee.

In the name of Jesus Christ.

Thank you, Lawrence.

That's how you do it, by the way, corporate media.

So why is Hexeth like this?

Why is he like this?

And by the way, we have someone standing by in the green room and I'll just give it away

a little bit.

Pastor, just stand by because I got to make some points and I'm going to bring you in

and I'm going to give you the floor and let you talk about these things.

And if there's some things that you think that I got wrong, then call a brother out.

But this is so why is Hexeth like this?

How did he become a zealot?

Well, for starters, we should look at who his religious role models are.

This is reportedly his pastor.

This guy's name is Joshua Haymes, literally calling on someone who's been on this show,

a very nice guy running for Senator in Texas, James Salarico, to be crucified.

He says explicitly, he wants him killed.

Watch public enemies.

These are the orcs at the gate.

You are not called to love the barbarian horde that is planning to break into your city

and, you know, pillage, ponder, rape and mutilate you and your people.

You don't love that horde.

That is your enemy and you pray.

This is where you have impregnatory Psalms.

This is where you pray strongly.

The psalmist is not shy.

God, destroy them.

Make them as dung on the ground, right?

So but Madison and I were talking about that.

And so I say, even in the debate, I think you might have seen it.

But that I had on campus the other day, I pray that God kills him ultimately.

That means killing his heart and raising him up to new life in Christ.

That's the first thing.

We want him crucified with Christ.

That's exactly right.

I want him to be, I think, a Saul of Tarsus, a Tallerico of Tarsus.

Yes.

That's what I wanted.

Who would say I was holding the garments while they stoned Stephen.

And now I'm the, yeah, that's what we want.

Yes.

We want death and new life, right?

And if it would not be within God's will to do so, stop him by any means necessary, oh,

God.

No, I think they're talking about it, you know, I understand what they are.

Maybe they're talking about the resurrection, that whatever, that there should be death to

all of the things that they believe is wrong with him.

And then all of a sudden, he comes back like them, what their version of Christianity

is.

But still, what do you think that fanatics, religious right wing fanatics here?

What do you think that the people on the internet who believe in that there's some

pizza gate thing happening?

What do you think that people on the, the, the right or these sort of religious fanatics

believe?

You know, these are the people who, again, as I said, the pizza gate, the QAnoners, when

they hear that, they think I want him killed, they go, okay, this is dangerous, dangerous

talk.

Now, here is headsets reported pastor again, you guys remember him when I saw him, I was

like, oh, I've seen this guy before, this is him on slavery.

The institution of slavery is not inherently evil.

I know, some of you guys are upset by that, some of you guys are saying I've been saying

that for years.

Okay, I'll take it a step further.

It is not inherently evil to own another human being.

I know, just wait, some of you guys are really upset, but let's talk through this because

it is very important that every Christian affirm what I just said and not only should

they affirm it, every Christian in today's society should be able to defend what I just

said.

Okay.

Every Christian should be able to defend it.

Big, Eva, big evangelicalism has been getting this wrong for years, basically since

the Genesis, since the advent of big Eva, they haven't had a good answer for the slavery

issue.

All right.

Christians in America have been led astray on this topic.

They've been led to believe things that the Bible doesn't teach and when we go beyond

the Bible, there are dire consequences.

That is the spiritual advisor to the man leading the U.S. war on Iran.

What I won't say the bad word because we have a pastor here, but what on earth, what in

heaven is going on right now?

What is going on right now?

I think that question is better answered by Cody D's.

He is a lead pastor of Bining's Lake Church in Mabelton, Georgia.

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And in the case of Minnesota, it's very Somalia oriented.

Think of it.

These people come from a crooked country, disgusting country, one of the worst countries in

the world, acknowledged to be one of the worst countries in the world.

Some people say it's the worst, they have no money, they have nothing.

They come to our country, low IQs, and they rob us blind, stupid people, and they rob us

blind because we have crooked politicians and we have dirty cops.

The Attorney General is a dirty cop, it's my opinion, it's only my opinion, and something

should be done about him.

So that is a president of the United States speaking about people.

And this is supposed to be the man who is according to many evangelicals and religious fanatics

that they believe was chosen by God to take us into a war and maybe lead us to the next

Armageddon.

At least that's what some folks are saying.

And then you have Pete Heggseth, who at every turn brings God in and talks about unvended

knee.

Cody Deese is the lead pastor, as I said, of the Vinings Lake Church in Maybolton, Georgia.

Good morning to you, sir.

Thank you, pastor.

I appreciate you joining your muted, by the way, we're going to unmute you, unless you

can mute yourself, he's muted.

I think you're mute, so on.

Are you there?

There you go.

I know.

How are you doing?

How are you doing?

I'm doing.

I don't know if you heard my opening statement, if you agree or disagree, but you take it

away, pastor, I don't know what to say.

Don Lemon.

Okay, well, let me just start here.

First of all, you're going to get arrested again if you keep talking this way, all right?

Really?

That is, that's dangerous stuff you're talking about.

I mean, this whole segment, I'm really glad you're talking about this because there's

been a lot of us on the edges that have been shouting and speaking about this and trying

to warn media and politicians in general that this is happening and people really weren't

paying attention, but now you're starting to see it in real time, what this is.

And there's lots of ways to describe it, but I do want to just say up front.

Part of the reason James Tallerico is mentioned, part of the reason you actually, in fact, were

arrested, is because of all of this of what we're talking about.

Now, let me give you an example.

You were exposing something when you were in that church that morning.

James Tallerico is exposing something as he talks about Christian nationalism.

And my experience is this, as I observe more and more as people speak up and expose what

this is, and we'll talk about Christian nationalism, but expose what this Christian nationalism

is, in that moment is when many of you get silenced.

So think about what you were doing in that church that morning.

You are shedding light on how religion and the state ice comes together and its cover

is what this religion is doing for these acts of injustice.

And the more you shed light on that, the more the patriarchy, the authoritarian leader,

the white supremacy, cannot handle that exposure, because what is threatening is not necessarily

you done.

It's not necessarily James Tallerico.

It's what you're doing.

You're speaking truth and truth is always threatening to a lie.

And that's what a part of my task as a minister right now is I am attempting to pull the

curtain back on all of what you were saying this morning.

And you have been absolutely on it.

What this is is Christian nationalism.

All right.

Now for those of your listeners that don't know, which I'm sure they do, because you've

been given like a full sermon this morning, but Christian nationalism is not Christianity

plus patriotism, all right.

Now that's what they would like you to believe.

It is not that.

You say up front, I love America.

I heard you say that in your opening statements.

I am patriotic.

The problem is not loving America.

The problem is believing God loves America more than any other nation, okay?

Christian nationalism is not Christianity plus patriotism.

It is a political ideology wrapped in religious language.

I could say it this way.

It is a political ideology of white supremacy, patriarchy, misogyny, greed, and fear carrying

around the logo of Jesus.

That's what this is.

And there are many reasons why it seems to be rising right now, Don.

I would just start here.

First of all, evil rarely presents itself as evil, okay?

So everything you just talked about, segment.

Evil rarely shows up like, hey guys.

Let's all get together and kill innocent elementary school kids in Iran.

No, most of America is not going to sign up for that.

So what do you do?

You co-opt the name of Jesus.

You bring in language about God to do what?

To cover or justify the acts of atrocity that you are doing, okay?

And here's what I mean.

Hate always disguises itself as love, war disguises itself as just, cruelty disguises

itself as strength, domination disguises itself as leadership, idolatry disguises itself

as devotion.

And empire has always been good at this Don.

So in some ways, I'm not like overly shocked.

This is what Christian nationalism is.

We've been saying this for a long time.

It's just now America's waking up and seeing it because Pete Hexeth is a Christian

nationalist.

And Christian nationalism is a very, very dangerous cancer on the movement of Jesus.

And it must be exposed.

And this isn't new.

I mean, much of this goes back to Constantine.

I actually think this is by and large why the book of Revelation right now in the Bible

Don is far more relevant than ever.

And I don't even mean in the apocalyptic way that we're talking about, okay?

So there's so much to say Don, I'll leave it right here, but there's so much to say.

And if you want, it's probably worthwhile to just get into the book of Revelation for

a minute to discuss why they keep using language like Armageddon and how they're missing

it and how they're leveraging it as a futurist reading.

Okay.

Don's like, I told you I was going to give you the core.

I spoke for a couple of minutes and that's why I have you here because, oh, come on.

You're just so right on pastor about everything and look, you're a Christian.

I'm a Christian, but I, you know, my eyes are open and I want you to respond to this

and I want you to talk about Armageddon and the book of Revelation and all that.

And here's what people are watching saying, then we're not real Christians.

I, because, and Christianity, America was founded on Christianity and, you know, I'm just

saying, you know, I'm playing devil's advocate here.

America's founded on Christianity and you know, the Bible says, I'm the Lord, I God,

that I should have no others before me.

And so what you're doing is not Christianity, this, it's not Christian like.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, there's lots to say about that.

And part of this is, you know, when you get into the Bible as a whole, I mean, there's

lots of things in the Bible that aren't right.

Okay?

Genocide is in the Bible.

Yeah.

Violence is in the Bible.

Massage and E is in the Bible.

Human sacrifice is in the Bible.

Yes.

Slavery is in the Bible.

In the Bible.

God, can we just say this?

Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's right.

All right?

And there are parts of the Bible.

I know this may be hard for some Christians to hear that are bad, wrong, any moral, all

right?

And this is why it's imperative that whatever you read in the Bible, you interpret through

the teachings and lens of Jesus.

And if you're going to call yourself a Christian, Christian means Christ.

So if you're going to call yourself a Christian, then it would be who you to go back to Jesus

his life and his teachings and interpret everything you're reading through the lens

of this man named Jesus.

Now, all of that said, Don, part of that is what we're dealing with in this very controversial

book that's at the very end of the Bible called Revelation.

All right?

Now, Revelation is a book that barely made it into canon, okay?

For many reasons, but it did.

And a lot of people don't know this and it's worth talking about.

So let me just start here, Revelation, and this may be hard for some of your listeners,

others of them may be like right on.

But it's important for us to say this right now in America in 2026 with Pete Hegg says

spouting off about a book that he knows nothing about, okay?

Revelation is not a future prediction about the end of the world.

I want to repeat that for America to hear.

Revelation is not a future prediction about the end of the world.

All right?

This is apocalyptic literature.

Apocalyptic literature is a style of writing that uses symbols, visions, and cosmic imagery

to reveal how God is at work behind the scenes, okay?

This book is written by real people, a real man named John who was exiled

by the Empire of Rome, and he's writing it to seven churches, real people that are being

oppressed by a global military superpower.

And what John is doing is he's writing in a particular literature that would be like

done like the sci-fi of our day, all right?

And he's not writing about 2026 in Iran.

He's not writing about America.

This may shock a lot of people, but America's not in the Bible.

Now, I know we think we're the center of everything, but we're not the center of the biblical

narrative.

It's not in the book of Revelation.

He's not writing about some future.

I'm going to throw this out there.

The Antichrist is not someone that's coming, all right?

So we just need to pause all of that because first of all, Antichrist is not even in the

book of Revelation, all right?

What you have is to beast in the book of Revelation.

And that first beast that John is writing about, it says he has seven heads, okay?

What is that beast?

That beast is the Roman Empire of his day.

This man is writing in the late first century about real things that are happening in real

time to real people in his moment.

And he is describing using symbols in language because he knows if he comes outright blatantly

and says these things, first of all, he will be killed himself, okay?

So he's writing with these symbols in language.

And he's trying to help the Jesus followers of the day.

And he's challenging them, and he's encouraging them.

And he is saying ultimately, Don, he's saying this.

He is saying, come out of the empire.

Do not be seduced by what they're trying to lure you into.

He's trying to reveal the violence of empire, the lies of empire.

And he's calling his people to come out of that empire.

And the way he does that is he is using this language too.

And here's the word Don, apocalypse.

Now we have this modern understanding of apocalypse, which is this idea that there's going to be

some end of the world type scenario.

But in its original phrase, apocalypse, the actual word behind it is unveiling.

So this is why the book is called Revelation.

It is a revealing.

What is John revealing?

John is revealing the way of love and Jesus in the midst of an oppressive empire.

But John is also pulling the curtain back and unveiling and revealing what the heart

of the empire actually is.

He's exposing the lie, which is what Don, you did by reporting the truth.

And it's what James Talleriko is doing as he calls out Christian nationalism.

That is true apocalyptic work.

Thank you, Pastor.

Can we talk about, I want to, can I read you something that I wrote about the last time

you hear you read me what you wrote after I was arrested?

So I'm going to read you something that I wrote.

And this is again, this is my book that people say, oh, you're not a Christian, because

I get accused of being ungodly in whatever all the time when I actually wrote a book about

God.

And here's the thing.

So, and this is what I write in my book, it's on page 77 of my book, it says true freedom

of religion would support democracy, foster mutual understanding and encourage critical thinking.

True advocates of freedom of religion would advocate for enlightenment, education and

open-hearted dialogue, respectful conversations among people who disagree without judging or

jocking for power.

True freedom of religion is possible only if we honor the absolute separation of church

and state.

We can have freedom of religion or we can have a Christian nation.

We can have both.

Evangelicals know this, and it is clear which side of the narthics they're on.

When evangelical zealots preach freedom of religion and practice oppression, they're

taking a familiar page from the time-worn authoritarian playbook.

It's not about faith.

It's about control.

Get into people's heads by way of their hearts, swaddle the loss of liberty in religious

dogma, and then use faith communities to mobilize voters and codify oppression into law.

Religion does a great job of teaching people to suspend their disbelief and submit themselves

to a higher power.

If the higher power were a benevolent God, that would be nice.

But in this case, we're talking about ruthless, self-dealing men who use God's name for personal

gain, promising salvation and pitching nostalgia for a Christian nation that never existed.

Right-wing power mongers conflate religious zeal with patriotism, then conflate patriotism

with nationalism.

And the effect is powerful enough to break the sacred bonds of family with a charismatic

want to be desperate as their frontman.

They sample the Bible and the Constitution, the way that ice cubes samples the Islay brothers,

and it was a good day.

You hear it in there.

That unmistakable riff from footsteps in the dark, but it's a whole new jam.

That is how you persuade people to vote against their own interests in extreme self-sabotaging

ways.

While you get decent, intelligent people to vote against their right to health care,

their family's economic well-being, and their sexually diverse children's rights to exist.

I know how that feels.

I know what it's like to need God so desperately you're willing to listen to anyone who seems

qualified to connect you to Him.

Hmm.

Done.

I mean, yes, yes to everything you just said.

I feel like a part of this conversation, Don, is exactly what you said.

I think what's under it, and here's my theory, is you have this hierarchy that's been set

up and in their minds where the white man sits at the top.

And what is transpiring right now is you're starting to see so much of that hierarchy has

been revealed, exposed, that apocalyptic work.

And what happens as it's being exposed is starting to show cracks.

And you can call this whatever you want.

I mean, some people just call this just straight up equality, like equality is actually rising

right now.

And as it rises, these men that sit at the top of this misogynistic patriarchal white

supremacist culture are feeling threatened.

And as they're feeling threatened, as equality begins to rise, they are doing everything

in their power to kick and scream and keep their position at the top of the hierarchy.

And what's transpiring is, I feel like the reason religious language is rising right now,

more than it ever has, is because it's almost their last straw, right?

They can't lose the evangelical voting block.

They have to keep the hierarchy in motion.

And so they're using all the language they can muster, trying to baptize all of their

bigotry, trying to somehow justify all of their wars.

And a part of that is a last grasp at some authority.

Why do you go to the Bible?

You go to the Bible because it has authority in a lot of people's lives.

And many people go to the Bible to leverage the authority.

And here's why, because in and of themselves, they don't have any authority.

They lost any authority they had on the access Hollywood bus.

So if you don't have authority to speak anymore because you've slaughtered your own integrity,

then what do you do?

You leverage all the pieces of authority you can to bolster yourself up to maintain that

position.

But here's my encouragement to you.

They can use all the language they want of God.

The more they use it, the more the building of our church fills up because many people,

many people, not all people, but many people are not being deceived and fooled by it.

They see right through it and they've had enough of it.

And I think what you're going to find is already you're seeing it.

But come midterms, let me just say Pete Hegseth, Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, all of you people

that are using Jesus' language to justify your atrocities and all of your policies that

are harming marginalized and oppressed people.

We will not look away and we see through it.

And I can just speak from my local community right outside of Atlanta, Georgia.

We'll be in the voting booth coming soon.

And we will act accordingly because we see through what you're doing.

You're using God's name in vain.

And maybe in the words of Will Smith, we can just leverage just a minute here, all right?

Keep God's name out of your mouth.

Keep Jesus' name out of your mouth, especially when what you are doing is anti-Christ.

And that's what it is.

I want to be very clear about that.

When we talk about the anti-Christ, yes, goes back to Revelation.

John was talking about Nero, a first century emperor.

He was one head of many of that beast, okay?

But when we talk about anti-Christ, here's what we mean.

The words only use one time in the Bible and it's in the epistles of John, John 1,

John 2, John 3.

And it's anti-Christ plural.

Here's what that means.

Anti-Christ is not a person.

It's not.

It is a pattern.

And that pattern can be seen through systems, institutions, individuals, emperors, empires,

presidents.

It animates a particular direction.

So if Christ is the way of love, forgiveness, truth, humility, integrity, peace, justice,

selfless, compassion, then what is anti-Christ?

It's the opposite of that.

Greed, corruption, immorality, violence, war, injustice, revenge, envy, narcissism.

So when John says, don't take the mark, my God, he's not talking about

some vaccine in 2026.

Seriously, I don't mean to come down, but I'm a little fired up about this.

People need to go to seminary before you quote the Bible on a public level.

All right.

Armchair Theologians out here who've been shaped by Jerry Jenkins in Tim Le Hay in left behind.

A book that sold like 60 to 80 million copies a long time ago that terrorized me as a young

evangelical boy because I was told a rapture was going to happen and we were going to float

out of here without any clothes on and I was going to be, if I'm not careful, left behind

to fight some...

We are you there, pastor?

Oh, you're muted, pastor.

Okay, I got it.

We got it.

We're like, no, man, it's too much.

Cut, stop talking.

I think I'm not sure if you're on the right mic.

Make sure you're on the right mic.

But look, I want to say something too, pastor.

It's also about fear.

If you can get people to be fearful and if you can get them aggrieved, as Donald Trump

is so good at getting people to think that they are aggrieved, right?

And look, there is some war on Christmas, a war on Christianity when I'm not so sure

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This is Franklin Graham at CPAC.

You know that's going on right now.

Franklin Graham, and we'll discuss here it is.

As the secular socialists in our country were wanting to take Christ out of Christmas,

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Trump comes to office and he starts saying, Merry Christmas.

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And we'll only have one chance at this.

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That was Franklin Graham at CPEC.

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Cody Deese is the lead pastor of Vining's Lake Church in Mabelton, Georgia.

So war on Christmas.

I have never stopped saying Merry Christmas.

I love Christmas.

I also know that Christmas is not exactly Jesus' birthday.

It's a bit symbolic.

So some people take it literally that this is the day and this is what it's anyways.

But I love Christmas.

I love Jesus.

I say Merry Christmas.

I don't see a war on Christmas.

But anyways.

And then you have a pastor who is at CPEC saying that telling people who to vote for.

You know, whatever.

What do you make of that?

Well, here's what I would say.

I mean, there's so much flowing through my head right now.

First of all, I would start here.

So they're fighting a war on keeping Christ in Christmas.

It's been said, and I think it's worth saying,

didn't originate with me, but it's a good word.

How about we start by keeping Christ in Christianity?

And then we can get to Christ in Christmas.

I will also add, while you're fighting this war of keeping Christ in Christmas,

there are people all around you who are starving.

There are people who have lost snap benefits.

There are people that are in desperate need for food, for groceries, for shelter, for homes.

And to me, I never saw Jesus walking around like,

listen, guys, if you could just make sure you keep my name in Christmas,

that's the battle worth fighting.

No, he was feeding people, he was helping people,

and he was working to expose systems that kept people in the positions of oppression that they're in.

And I would also just add, honestly, I grew up in that world.

So like my dad was a Southern Baptist pastor.

I am fully aware of how much respect Franklin Graham's father had

in the evangelical world, Billy Graham.

Yeah.

I will say this.

Franklin Graham, I lost all respect in what he's doing,

the day the Access Hollywood video came out,

and Franklin Graham was interviewed.

And he was asked about all the affairs that's happening with Trump.

And this man said, it's nobody's business.

Now, this is the same man who said when asked about Clinton and Monica Lewinsky,

that if a leader cannot be faithful to his own wife and family,

how could we expect him to be faithful to the country?

It was that moment.

You say, why would you lose respect in Franklin Graham?

Because it was that moment he showed me something.

And what he showed me is that his allegiance is not to the way of Jesus.

It's to the Republican Party.

And all the red flags went off for me in that moment.

Because I realize yet again, here is another religious leader who is trying to get in bed

as close as he can with the powers that be.

And Jesus in his moments of full exposure

raged the most, and that's the phrase, he got angry.

The most when religious leaders were providing shelter and cover

for injustice and atrocities.

This is why Don, by the way, he walked into the temple and flip tables.

Flip the tables.

It's not that wrongdoing was happening inside the temple, and it was.

There was exploitation going on.

It's that the building, the temple had become a hiding place for those who were doing wrong.

Religion was laundering violence.

And it's in that moment that Jesus walks in, and he says,

my house is supposed to be a house of prayer, and you've made it a what,

din of robbers.

And what he's saying is you are providing cover for injustice.

The sanctuary is providing cover for those doing wrong.

And that was the apex.

That was the moment where he walked in and said, absolutely not.

I will not gather and take a photo op of laying hands on this leader.

Nope.

I will flip the tables.

The prophets did not protect kings.

They confronted them.

My word to Franklin Graham would be to wake up.

Wake up.

And use your leverage in your power to stop getting close to power.

And begging that power to see you, to approve of you.

My word to you would be to confront the power that's close to you.

And look inward and ask yourself, is this truly the way of Jesus?

Or have you mistaken the narrow path as the Republican path?

Because those two are not the same.

They run contrary to MAGA in Jesus, run contrary to each other.

Pastor, since you do you mentioned the access Hollywood bus?

Yeah.

And we showed Franklin Graham there saying that, you know,

Donald Trump is the one vote for him.

This is someone on a news program, Fox News, asking about starving Iranians,

which is a very serious, important question.

And this is how the president of United States who gets to determine sort of the trajectory of this war.

This is how he responded.

Watch everybody pay attention.

Think it is alarming that we have not been able to see or hear from any of the Iranian people.

And I imagine that is because their internet is shut down.

And I think there is some general worry about them.

Obviously their government treats them terribly and killed tens of thousands of them in January.

Do you, again, like Kayleigh, I would never ask you to tell us something that is classified.

But do you have any insight as to how they are doing?

Do they have drinking water?

I do.

Do they have food?

Right. I do.

It's upsetting.

I do.

But first you remember when we had lunch years ago in the base of Trump Tower when it was a brand new building.

It's a long time ago.

Yes.

A long time ago.

You haven't changed.

Oh.

Now I'm not allowed to say this.

It's the end of my political career.

But you may be even better looking.

Okay.

But I will not say that.

I will not say that because that will end my political career.

You know, you're not allowed to say a woman's beautiful anymore.

You know what, don't I mean?

I mean, here's what I would say.

Sometimes I'm like you like a lot of Americans.

I just sit and watch in every.

Yeah.

I mean, it's friday.

It's 11 o'clock.

He tends to do crazy thing like the wild moments happen when the stock market closes.

So I've already, and as a pastor, by the way, just what a blessing.

Let me just say that every Saturday.

I'm changing my message because this man on friday evening when the market closes

decided to just say whatever it is he wants to say.

And sometimes I watch and listen to what comes out of his mouth.

And here's what I can tell you as a pastor.

The external is a mirror of the internal.

And the chaos that we are seeing in Iran.

The chaos that we are seeing in America is not by chance.

The unconscious, the unconscious of these leaders surfacing.

The chaos out there is not separate from us.

It is an amplification of us in those with the most power magnified the most.

And so here's all I'm going to say.

We are governed by people who never learn to govern themselves.

We are being led as a nation by people who never learn to lead themselves.

And just like that book and revelation exposing what's underneath in the depths of the unconscious of the empire.

So I believe what we're seeing right now are leaders that are leading our nation.

You can put leaders in quotes leading our nation.

And what's happening is they've never actually looked inward in their own souls.

And it's projecting out of them and it's becoming policies and it's becoming action.

And the book of James says it.

Where does hatred come from?

Does it not begin within your own heart?

And so everything that's inside of that internal world of these men is just making its way to the outside.

So you plugged your book.

Now here's mine.

And I mentioned this for one reason.

I just wrote it.

It came out in October.

But it's called discovering your internal universe.

And the reason I started with that book because I got another one coming soon.

We'll talk about some other time down the road.

But the reason I started with that one is because I think it all starts right here.

And I'm not saying that we don't confront the injustice happening to the contrary.

I'm saying we confront the injustice we're seeing.

But simultaneously, we need to continue to do our own work.

So we point out the contradictions within ourselves.

And we point out the corruption that's out there around us.

And what we're experiencing right now when I look at this war,

I am seeing the insides of men that are attempting to lead this nation

who have so much buried within them that they've never actually worked.

And I don't say that to make excuses.

Nope.

I don't say that to justify any actions.

I say that because it is dangerous what we're in right now.

And my hope, and I can leave you with this.

My hope is that the truth ultimately will make itself known.

I want to just don't if you don't mind.

I'll just like two minutes here.

This is something that I wrote for your listeners that I hope they can lean into in this moment of chaos

because if you're like me, sometimes I fall into some sense of discouragement going,

can anybody stop these men?

There's no checks and balances.

The chaos sometimes gets so discouraging.

And so when you're living in a world where people are leveraging the name of Jesus,

it gets really confusing for a lot of Christians.

And I understand, Don, many of your listeners have reached out to me the first time I was on the show going,

this is why I don't believe or subscribe to a God at all.

Please hear me.

I get that.

I'm not here to try to convince anyone of any God.

I get it.

Sometimes, Don, the healthiest thing you can do is be an atheist because the God you've been in it with,

God you've been presented with is so egregious and so atrocious that the healthiest move is to move a far away from that understanding of God

or that God in general that you possibly can.

So I get it.

I get why people are like, can we leave the magical mythical stuff alone, period?

And I understand that.

I'm convinced of all the confusion.

I do want to say part of the reason I still am following Jesus is because I'm compelled by his life and his message.

And I do think there's something at the core that he keeps teaching that I am hell bent on bringing to our country.

And that is his sermon on the Mount.

Turn the other cheek.

Love your enemy.

This is nonviolence at its best.

He's saying stop buying into the myth of redemptive violence.

Violence only perpetuates more violence.

And any Christian that supports war or violence has to take on the first three centuries of Christians who opposed Christians even participating in the military.

It wasn't until Augustine after the empire got in back with Christianity that even the theory of just war began to surface.

So all of the chaos, everything that's happening, I get why there's a lot of confusion.

So let me just leave you with this.

It's just a little riff on truth here.

They can try to dismiss truth, distort it, but they cannot destroy it.

It's always present.

It refuses to disappear.

It refuses to stay hidden.

It has been present in every black and brown body killed in our streets by police.

It was present on January 6th when power tried to rewrite the insurrection.

It was present in the murder of Renee Good, Keith Porter, Jr.

Alex Freddie.

And it's pressing through the lies of this very moment.

It is exposing those who defend cruelty, excuse harm, and normalize violence.

It is exposing a system built on white supremacy, greed, fear, and control.

It is exposing a movement that survives only by keeping people blind.

So to all your listeners, keep telling the truth.

Keep naming the lies.

Keep refusing the fog.

Because truth doesn't just confront.

It liberates.

Truth breaks spells.

Truth wakes us up.

And sooner or later, the truth will set us all free.

Free from authoritarianism.

Free from the spell blinding so many in this moment.

And free from this twisted upside down reality they call making America great again.

Cody D's lead pastor of bindings lake church in Mabelton, Georgia.

What a great message today to leave us with with your entire message today.

Now, I know you said I was plugging my book.

I wasn't, but you know, I said, told people they didn't have to buy it.

And the reason is that everything that I'm seeing now that is happening now.

I saw it coming around.

You know, I saw it and I wrote about it in this book.

And so if you wanted to, when did you release that book?

September of 2024 just before the election.

It's called my, I once was lost my search for God in America.

September of 2014.

And it is about everything that is happening now.

Just as the interview that I did about Elon Musk became everything that became part of what was happening in the country.

I feel like perhaps it was God, you know, saying telling people what to look for.

But you know, I just, and your book, I just want to put it up.

It's called discovering your internal universe.

And yeah, discovering your internal universe by pastor Cody D's.

It's just a great.

And where can we find you?

You're online on Sunday morning as well, right?

We know that.

Yeah, yeah.

We're live now in person.

You have in person church, but also you're online.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're live now.

So you can join us on YouTube, Instagram, any of those things.

And Don, I didn't want to tell you.

First of all, we need to get you out here.

I was just thinking about this.

It'd be great to have you on a Sunday.

And we set up and do like a conversation at our church on a Sunday.

So we'll talk about that.

But I'm working on a second project that, and it's a whole other thing.

We don't talk about it live.

But I'm going to shoot it to you because my time with you in D.L.

While we were on tour, I wrote in one of the chapters.

I can't wait for you to see it.

I think you're going to absolutely.

Oh, that's great.

That's great.

Yeah.

Wait, we should have you come on the road with us.

I think people would love it.

Oh, my God.

Oh, so that's a part of what I talk about in this book.

And check this out.

I'll just pitch it live.

So in the book, I talk about how a journalist, a comedian,

and a pastor walk into a bar.

And I'm like, that's the, that's the opening line of.

That's exactly what happened pretty much.

That is exactly, literally is what happened.

But then I thought, my God, Don, that's kind of like on par with America right now.

And that just like was the best moment that I've had in years sitting up there with you guys going.

Yeah, this is it.

This is what America wants right now.

It's what we need right now where we can all sit around and have these conversations because here's the thing.

I love it.

Journalists speak in truth in D.L.

I mean, that's what comedians do.

They have a way to speak the toughest truths.

But then they cover it with laughter to make us all ease into it through the back door.

It's just mind blowing stuff.

So I would just say this to everybody's listening.

And you don't, you didn't ask me to do this, but I was there.

I experienced it.

So I stayed out of the goodness of my heart.

But if you guys, you guys do this like tour thing with City, Ronnery.

Like if he comes to a city near you, like people, it, it's like, it's a good time.

Like it's worth getting into.

And I left like so hopeful and encouraged by the group of people that were in that room that night.

And it's the first time I've laughed that hard.

As a pastor, I got, like I had to, I was like the first of my laugh that hard and so long.

So I've been sending you guys all the love as you go out and do this.

Oh, thank you.

So what are you doing on on the third of April?

Come to come to Raleigh with us.

I'll get you on a plane and we'll get you there.

Listen, man.

We'll, we'll, we'll look, we'll look into it.

We'll see.

I actually do have family out that way in North Carolina.

But yeah, you guys, man, keep, keep doing your thing.

And you know, Don, I'm always here, man.

I'm so grateful for you.

And seriously, thanks for doing this segment.

I know like recently on CNN, they did their rise of Christian nationalism, but that's like the only two that I hear.

So as you keep speaking towards these things, I think you're going to see it sadly more and more as we approach the midterms and as we get closer to the

even the next presidential election, they're going to grab harder and harder onto everything they can.

Is it pertains to the way of Jesus and leverage it and use it and co-opt it?

And so I hope our listeners are aware and their eyes are open.

They're vigilant, be open.

And just remember, just because it carries that name does not mean it actually portrays the way of Jesus.

Thank you, Pastor.

I'll see you soon.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

And I received everything you said.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

Pastor Cody Dees.

The lead pastor findings like church in Mabelton.

That in Mabelton, Georgia.

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This is what they're doing there.

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Okay.

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