Hour 1: Baker's Big Payday and The Browns' Watson Lesson

0:00the can Carmen show with a three line. Well Michigan gets nothing for their money anymore. They pay the quarter back more than any quarterback in college football and the other player college football. You pay Western Michigan to come and beat you and then they get another second tacked on because obviously the Mac knows where the money comes from. The Western Michigan knows where the money comes from. We don't get less money for winning. They could have just won the game and kept the money as well. Sure, but they're basically a big revenue driver for you every year. You know, there's some years where two big 10 teams play Western Michigan. So that's even more consider your say it is. Is that hey, we keep our opinions to our cell. So we keep getting scheduled for $1.5 million. This was the SEC or even honestly, if this were the big 10 two teams in the big 10. Uh huh. We would have. We would have temporary restraining orders. This is Cleveland sports radio. 92 3. The fan. Good morning. Good morning.

1:00Kenneth. Good to talk to you. Good to see you. Did you like me blowing the horn like being in your company? Did you like me blowing the horn? No, honestly, I've been in a bad mood ever since you did it. Because you showed up early. So I was out in my truck trying to listen to some audio. And trying to listen to Brear. And like. He comes pulling in. It's five in the morning. And I'm like, what's he? I saw the Jeep come up and like, what's he doing here so early? So there must be problems at home. Um. When he showed when you know that what a guy at work start showing up early, go. Oh, what's happening in there? Got some problems. Anyway, he came around the corner. He just lays on the horn. It's five in the morning. And I'm like, what are you doing? Ken was not laughing. No, I wasn't. Because you know, you threw off the equilibrium, you threw everything off. We always adhere to how you want life to be, and you demand quiet a deal and stoicism

2:03and in it just like Tim comes in there. Hey, hey, how you doing? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, what's going on? I'm like, they're just stay there. Don't do it. Keep that energy away. Spatts, you open up the door. Oh, yeah. Hey, how you doing? And we finally had to be like, hey, buddy. After the show's great, but there's a way that we come in. It can't be. We can't be. What? Got my knock on our door. Like he's just like, whoa, like easy. Like morning guy thing. And as loud as I am. And as energetic as I try to be, it is five in the morning. And nobody in this room is in a great mood when they get in here. No, Jeff's in a bad mood. Oh, John's in a bad mood. Oh, worst. Owen is actually sometimes pleasant. It hurt. Everybody's just in a bad mood. You warm into it. You ease into it. Now, Bill, on the other side, he adheres. He adheres.

3:04Hey, how you doing? That's it. Morning. Walks by morning. He understands how the game is played. Every non, then you get a, hey, how you doing? That's about it. Maybe on a Friday. But that's it. And what the other one, I don't know, but I say, hi to the coworker now. It's almost a bitch. It's see if I can get a smile. Yeah. And so you threw me off when you did that this morning. And I don't care for it. Yeah, but then I doubled down while you guys were the convenience store. Yeah, you went in the convenience store and you, you wish there, but he had a good show. And I'm like, Jay doesn't have a show. If I was in jail, Jay to have a good show. He's wrong there. Jay might have the longest running show in this building. He actually might. He has a show every morning with the guys coming down to get their loose season. He, the regulars. Did I tell you guys the MTV oddities that he has walking through there? The one day over the summer, Lyme had me yelling at him. And he goes, what are you on about up there? And I went, how did you know he goes? I can hear you through the ceiling. I was like, are you serious? Because yes, that's how loud you were. And I was like, well, like, he got me really mad.

4:04I don't even remember what it was about. He's got like one big run in a week with a regular. And he's like, ah, I told him, I told him three days ago. No, you're not doing this. Now he just took off. No, my favorite. You never know he won Google's like best downtown. Yeah, he did. Yeah. And he showed the prices. Is there great for the show that he does every day? Unpaid testimonial. You think you're going to pay downtown prices. There's one place you do not pay downtown prices. Yeah, the prices were good on the candy bars. They still are good on the candy bars. They were that much better with the candy bars down there. The bars corporation for that. And he is the other thing about the candy bars. Don't upset. It's just no. He charges a fair price. This is it him. They come in because we all know we've got our twixes. We've got our snickers, but they've come in and they really haven't reinvented a whole bunch with the candy bars. And this has been a pet peeve and I've talked with them over the course of a decade about this. They come in with the new flavors of the candy bars.

5:04And because there's always a caramel, a caramel, you know, something's always a different one. Yeah. And then they cut it in half. And there's just two chunks of the candy bar. Well, you know, he's not the guy at the conveyor belt doing it. I know he's not doing it. I know. You blame him for everything that he has no control over whatsoever. Well, that's where you put the mouth on him. And you're just like, you're shopping for things that you can also get everywhere else. What he does best is he provides you with things that you'd never see anywhere else. He does. And that's the value right there. He does. He has it all. And he's got everything. He's got shaving powder down there. I never knew there was such a thing. And then he taught me about it. T-shirts. You can get down there. You have bottle openers down there. Magnum condoms. You can get down there if you need them. They got them. They got them. Yes, I'm thinking of the video in sunny. All the sins, man. You got all the types of sins. The birthday cards has those two. No, he doesn't anymore. He got rid of them because we weren't buying them. And then they stopped bringing them after COVID. He ain't got them. Anyway, I want to bring this up.

6:06So later on today at nine o'clock, we have Dr. John Steinbrecker, who's joining us on the show, who wrote a skate. Anything letter about the decision that was made with the big 10 and said, like, hey, you know what? We're not down with this. So this is his statement. You ready for the statement you want to do? Dr. John Steinbrecker. He is the commissioner of the Mac. I didn't say that. No. Oh, I'm sorry. He's the commissioner of the Mid-American conference. And he wrote, after further study and investigation, this is about the Michigan Western Michigan game. The further study and investigation is now evident that replay protocol was not properly followed in determining whether time remained on the game clock at the conclusion of the Western Michigan versus Michigan football game. The established replay protocol requires that the game clock displayed on the program feed be used in determining whether the time remained instead, the big 10 conference replay crew relied upon the clock feed and better within its replay system as a result. One second was placed back on the game clock.

7:07An additional and an additional play was reordered awarded. This was not a judgment regarding the proper amount of time with the place on the clock. It was an error in the application of the established replay protocol governing this specific end to game timing situation had the protocol been properly followed and the program feed clock been used. No additional play would have been awarded and Western Michigan would have won the game 12 to 7. As a result, the Min American conference has submitted formal appeals to the NCAA FBS oversight committee and college football playoff. The Macers requesting that those bodies recognize Western Michigan as the actual winner of the game for purposes of their respective rankings, evaluations and selection deliberations and take such other corrective action as may be within their authority. Finally. Because I disagreed with you yesterday, you were like, ah, not a big deal being made.

8:07They're going to take your 1.5 million going on. I'm like, I think other teams big time colleges are going to schedule a directional Michigan to come into town. I think Ohio State would look at and go, that's Michigan's problem, that ain't us. We're going to be the break soft Western Michigan. I don't care if they won the Mac last year. I just don't think they're going to do that. I'm glad that in the now P6 or G6, which is growing because there's more teams being left out of the top quality college football conferences. And it's going to continue to happen as I'm sure the big 12 will eventually succumb to it in the ACC. If not this year by 2031, we'll absolutely succumb to it is that there's going to be more G6, G7, G8 teams. And then there's going to be more that get taken up by the other ones. So the Mac has to fight for the teams. And so John Spanberger had to do something. I mean, you got Northern Illinois, even I brought this up to history. So I'm glad he wrote some. I don't think it's going to make much a damn difference. That's not. I'm glad I'm glad to stay at least the racist thing came out last night and says it cannot overturn Michigan's win. Oh, that's a two-fuss, feckless organization of nothing over Western Michigan after the

9:09Mac appeals the outcome. But then later in the day, this took another turn. And that's why I can't get enough of this story because all along, the Michigan fans keep pointing to a bunch of. It is awesome. They keep pointing to a bunch of doctor clocks and they are now experts on everything. When it comes to the time keeping in college football, it's like one of those anytime political, a new political scandal comes out and Justin Hoffman and hook will all the clocks around them freaking out. Yeah, every every time something happens, now people become overnight experts on something they never cared about previously. But this is great because Michigan is defending this every step of the way and they're trying to vilify all these people as if they're the aggrieved ones. Even though I said this had they not have been given an extra second would Michigan fans really have been running around saying they were screwed? No, they just would have been mad at underwording for losing. Yeah, they would have been mad at their team, but then they got to get it. But they still are. They know we're talking about benching Bryce under what after the game.

10:09Are they not? Yes, that I was going to say, but they don't seem very mad at their team when they're jumping up and down at midfield. There's some embarrassing. Well, that was unbecoming. There was even more embarrassing video they came after anyway. The NCAA even after they said, we can't overturn this, which I don't know. They vacate wins all the time. I don't know why they can't overturn. But after saying they can't overturn this, they did come out and say from this point forward, we are never doing that again. We are never looking at this other mystery clock. So again, if I hear that and I'm Western Michigan, I'm like, okay, so you're you're validating our argument. You're validating the max argument. I think stopping Western Michigan from saying they beat Michigan. As we found out with UCF in the bounce house, you can always claim an action and then a big ship and you can always claim a contested win. It still says it's one of the things you know, whatever. So I find this amazing. I find it fascinating because now it's official. This is where I had a big disagreement with Ken yesterday. He said this wasn't going to stick to Michigan forever.

11:11This wasn't going to be and I couldn't disagree more yesterday. I think now today because that point you might be right on. Well, just because this is gray area and really I'm just it might my beef is with the Michigan fans. They want this to go away. They want this to never be talked about again. And who knows if they just get the doors blown off this weekend against Oklahoma, then who knows? I just think that one second thing is forever going to be a Michigan storyline and them rushing the field after. And now the NCAA saying we'll never do what we did during that game again with a clock. I just love it. It couldn't get any better. I actually agree with you. And there's a reason for it is that what what Dr. Steinbrecker did and we're going to have him on coming up at nine o'clock again. He's going to join us live on the phone. We'll talk about that is that this is going to have actual ramifications because there's committee that meets about the playoff. And I don't think that Michigan is a playoff team. And I don't think that any I don't think I'm breaking ground. I don't think anybody thinks they're a playoff team.

12:13You know, I'd be surprised. I know they have Oklahoma at home, but you know, they just don't seem to be that great this year. All right. Already. And there seems to be some holes. But if it comes down to it and it comes down to like one loss or two losses or something, I think Auburn Breer specified this in so many ways yesterday. I want you to listen to this answer with that Auburn Breer game. Now this is an Ohio State alum famously. But here's what Auburn Breer said about the about maybe the the win being worse for Michigan. And I hate the idea of overturning the result. However, it is them. The best part about this for me. I was a little bit like damn, I kind of like root for Miss question Michigan there at the end of that game. Then me and like a couple of my textbooks decided this is actually better. Bluesing games just losing game. But this is like really embarrassing. The reaction that the field storming the mean mugging by underwood. I almost feel it's more embarrassing what happened in the aftermath. The fact everybody's saying things like from the school that brought you a title you

13:15don't recognize. Here's a one you don't recognize. Is this better? I mean, we remember the Appalachian State game for how many years now? You know what I mean? And if they overturn this result, we would remember this one even more. There's no home against huge. It becomes even bigger like it. They go out there and just get there. You know what kicked in. Then like then what? I like it because then it becomes an argument. Now for the teams that plan the need that win as a quality win if they keep losing or if they actually lose, I had talked about them like they did lose. Which they really probably should have. But if they lose one or two, like this is used against them in a committee. This is used against them in public. It is a big injustice that feels like it's been done. Now I look at both sides and I'm like, well, well, we're all talking about Michigan. And I know nobody is losing sleep over Western Michigan, but they did win the Mac last year. And what if they win out? They have Boise State. What if they win out? What does the committee do? Then they're team 12.

14:15So already a total seven AP voters have Western Michigan ahead of Michigan. You're going to put so I love that so much that this is a great thing. Seven voters have already said we are not acknowledging that Michigan is a better football team based on a result. And Jeff Sagan, we had to explain to young John who Jeff Sagan was because back in the age, Jeff Sagan mattered. Believe it or not, he was one of the pollsters in the BCS that mattered. And even before that, his rankings were the kind of famous in the college football world. He's an official NCAA recognized national championship selector still. He chose to recognize Western Michigan's 12, seven win over Michigan in his ratings this season. He's not accepting. Well, that's the beauty of the personal opinion. That's the beauty of a vote. Like they went from one vote. They went from one vote and the others receiving votes and something we'll probably bring up again later to 12 votes. So there are definitely people like now that's BS. That's the fun of college football.

15:16You would never get to see the old style. Exactly. And I know they said they can't overturn it. You said, they can vacate wins. They can vacate wins, but they didn't just give those wins to the other team. I don't believe. No, no, no. Anything I've ever seen overturned and turned into a forfeit is illegal players. And I don't know what's the only, well, the only team that apparently can use illegal players anymore that can get caught using illegal players anymore is LSU and Akron. Maybe, maybe we'll see. Maybe we'll see. To vaunted programs in college football, LSU and Akron, apparently using illegal players. Okay. That's like the only way that you can actually overturn something. It does provide a precedent here for, well, again, the NCAA is saying they will never do what they did again. So if you're Western Michigan, you're sitting there going, well, then just give us the win. There should have never been a second. You're admitting there should have never been a second. But I think in the heads and hearts of the voters, they have been given the win. It just doesn't say so on paper. What they need to do one more Hail Mary, best of three. You get one more.

16:16The first one, not so good. The second one, good, but shouldn't happen. All right. Let's do a third. Well, all agree. Let's do a third and whoever gets it with it. Ferdinand worst ideas. Ferd better, but I've certainly heard worse. So coming up at nine o'clock, I went to Dr. John Steinbrecker's words on this, Zach Jackson going to join us at 720 and good for Baker. And you know what? Good for Brown's fans. I mean that sincerely. Ken Carmine, Anthony Lyme, Alive and the Fan. I solemnly swear what I'm about to say is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth. So help me God. I want to bring it up to Zach at 720. What I'm about to say is the absolute truth right here. Hand up in the air. And it's my right hand. Good for Baker, Mayfield and good for Brown's fans. You want to why? Yeah. All right. So he signs a three year extension, $160 million. That's nothing to fart at.

17:16That would put him in the franchise quarterback category. I've always been kind of ticky tack with you and I've even brought it up with callers because I have been annoyed too. It's some of the revisionist history that we've caught people on where like I've had people write about how bad the Browns are and how terrible they are and how if we would have just kept Baker, Mayfield, I'm like, I got the receipts. I know what you wrote four years ago about Baker, Mayfield here. I'll put the screenshot next to each other about what you said. Our comments though are public. Their comments usually aren't. So yeah, people flip flop and they do that all the time with quarterbacks. I am 100% on the record and you have backed me up on this. This is a show that loves to call me out for maybe misremembering things. I did not think Baker was long for Cleveland. I thought that we should have brought in a veteran to compete and held on to him because I didn't think we were just could give him up and then they went and they traded for Dishon Watson, which is a trade that I did not want to happen a million times over.

18:20But you've heard so many opinions on it over the years that maybe you get it crossed up. Again, Anthony remembers these things. We keep long score, long term with each other. He would have thrown it in my face. But I was one of the people go, man, he's he seems broken too. There's something wrong here. There's this is bad. This is not good. He and people forget about the year in Carolina and he's done. After the year in Carolina because it finished up in LA and that seemed to kind of get him reset with Chameleon. Then obviously he's done a pretty fine job down there at Tampa Bay. I'd have to say whether or not you say he's a Super Bowl winning quarterback, I think that's a relative conversation because Sam Donald is one of Super Bowl. I think a lot of people didn't think that he'd be a Super Bowl winning quarterback. I think that door is definitely open. This is the reason why I say good for Baker, good for good for us. For Baker, yeah. I mean, you were almost given up on. You were seen as a bust and afterthought. Now you've made a boatload of money and you're going to continue to get paid a boatload of money.

19:21It should, I mean with how this contract is, I don't think it's going to be crippling at all to their cap so they should be able to put some people around him. Why do I say it's good for Brown's fans? It can be good for Brown's fans. And the reason I say it is because this has been a franchise that if you pay attention to the history since the Haslam's own it, they have over, they have tried to over correct mistakes. I think they're getting a quarterback next year and I think that it's not always going to be peaches and cream with that quarterback and they are going to exhaust every option possible and not freak out with that quarterback before they actually were to give up on the guy. They're going to do everything they can. I think they'll be more judicious with how much power the young man gets as far as picking coaches. So the rearranging schedules, all the things that we had heard with Baker here, I think that they're going to be a little bit tighter on that.

20:22I hope so because it has been a team that has again tended to over correct their mistakes from the past and one of their mistakes was it was too much too soon for Baker to have that type of power within the organization. He wasn't ready for it. I think that he would probably admit that right now. He's much more ready for it now because he's an older person. He's a much more mature person. And I hope that the bronze would learn from that mistake and it would serve them better. And hopefully we can actually get this quarterback situation right next year instead of languishing out in the middle of the ocean like we've been doing for the better part of going on three decades now. Go ahead. You know, it's interesting. Baker's now 31 years old and I know and we get it's pretty. And we talk about man, if Baker was here, if Baker was here right now, I actually, I know this is it was so rock bottom with the Sean Watson, even though we did make the playoffs, you know, the here the flack of one on the amazing run that notwithstanding that people think had Baker have never left.

21:24Then the Browns would be in this great spot. I'm like, I mean, you guys forgot how bad it was at the end for Baker and that when we brought on national people at the end of the year, they almost all came on and said, you got to move on. You got to move on. There are other member Kirk cousins. That was a big, that was a big discussion. And we couldn't find a lot of people that were like, no, this is going great with Baker Mayfield and there were those out there and certainly I mean, we did, we did every day, the Baker Wars at the end. And it was rock bottom for Baker. At least we thought and then he went to Carolina and it was bad again. So I play scout team defense. I will never be under the belief that we should have just kept him. Everything would have been fine. Like just because it got so bad with the Sean Watson, the assumption is it would have been better with Baker. And I'm like, man, he did not just magically heal from that injury and then have great football right afterwards. There was some soul searching, the McVeigh thing, even though it was, how long was he even there?

22:24But that was given a lot of credit for Baker. That's huge. The year by the way, it did seem to be like, it did seem to kind of settle him down and have him play confidently again and show him that he can still do this at a high level. Because I mean, there were some, I know we remember 2021, but there were definitely some really good times with Baker Mayfield as well. Oh, yeah. Like it is as bad as things did get in 2021. We're not going to sit here and act like there wasn't good things in 2020 and there wasn't good things in 2018 or anything like that. It was uneven, but I think had everybody had calmed down. Like my argument is that we wouldn't be in this, this wonderful feeling of, of Kumbayan. We'd be counting super bulls or anything like that. It's just, it's better than this and it would be much better than this arguing about whether or not like I, I can't put them in the same category as Josh Allen. Maybe I could put him in the same category in some way down in Cincinnati, not overall talent like Joe Burrow is a, is a supreme talent. But it's like, Hey, are we going to be able to punch your ticket here with this guy? Like what's going on here? Is he going to threaten the leaves?

23:24Is he not going to threaten the league? Like what's going on? Maybe that's a comparison, but I'm trying to think of like a high level, maybe even rivers. Maybe that's the guy, like a high level guy who's been able to put up some numbers who, yeah, you take your respect as a quarterback, but do you take them seriously in January? How serious do you do it? Like maybe that's it. Still, we can have that argument all day long. It's still better than what the arguments we've been having here over the last four years. And so that's where I hope that the hazelms are and the browns are on all this where it's like, Hey, you know what, what happened? There's nothing we can do to change that. I don't think he was ever going to be a free agent. All right. If he played well, excuse me, if he played well this year, I think he was ever going to be a free agent. They were either going to sign him to a long term deal or they were going to franchise tag him and move on. So I wasn't worried about the Pittsburgh thing, which was a weird question that Keith asked me. I kind of want to throw it by you. But I think that the history, we can't revise it. We can just learn from it. And I hope that we learn from this situation because I like, I hope I've not given everybody the idea and I don't think I have it.

24:26I don't think you have that all we need to do is get to April. And then once we have that guy, we're going to take no, we're going to have, we're probably going to have some moments. We're probably going to have some questionable moments with that guy. We're probably going to have some moments where we question him, question what he does. It's sports. It's professional sports. Well, look at the team game. It's going to be difficult. Look at the Baker draft. You can make the argument. He ended up being the fourth best quarterback in that draft. And we did all the time and we took him number one overall. So just just having a pick in the draft, it's high. You know, depending, we, who knows what pick we're going to have in next year's draft. We have number one overall. Yeah. It's number eight, nine, ten. It's not even about number one. But if you were to end up with more manning, uh, try to dad, shameless, like it's, like it's, like, you're going to have to be patient. Like there's going to have to be, and we're going to have to calm some people down and go, let's go to the table before we go to the mattresses here and let's have a conversation here before this becomes an all out war. I know we got to go, do you think Baker can win the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay?

25:30I still do, I still do not, I still am not a believer. After all these years, all this money, all this volatility, I don't think they can this year. I think they can in three years. I think they can in two years. Do you take his body is going to hold up? I don't know. I don't know. That was always the thing about Baker that he wasn't Josh Allen. He couldn't absorb all those hits and still be able to do all the things he wants to use. You could see last year, the minute that his injuries just kind of pile up over the season. Yeah. I will never question his fortitude. He's telling you know, resiliency, that guy is going to bring it. I just think he doesn't have the body that these other guys do. Even Patrick Maholms who gets worn down, he doesn't have those gifts to be able to do that. And now those hits the toll just keep piling up. I want you to and I wonder if he's playing his best football. I don't know that he's going to get any better answer this answer this question. We'll come back. Now, what do you think? What upset Brown's fans more? Seen Baker get this three year deal or if he became a free agent and signed with a rival.

26:33I think we know who we're talking about. I want you to answer that question in five minutes as well as first it was chased a lot. Then it was Travis Bazaar. Let's see if we can get him to talk some trash about Tanner Bobby Ken Carm and Anthony Lime alive in the. We go around the FC North, eight o'clock, week one of the NFL season. I want you to answer something that I want to see if we can coach John. And to do in some for us. I asked you right before the break, what would upset Brown's fans more? Seen Baker get this three year deal or if he became a free agent and signed with a team like Pittsburgh. I'm the wrong guy to ask that question, Kenny. Why? Because your name's on the show. So I have to ask you the question. I can't just. Well, I'm the wrong guy to ask because if I don't think a quarterback is capable of winning a Super Bowl and I think his body's going to continue to get worse and worse and worse, then I want him on the rival. So you want him to play for Pittsburgh plus it's great for the rivalry. You know, you've always told me we need things to make this rivalry better and better and better. And I think that NFL rivalries aren't as big a deal.

27:33You're not the wrong guy to answer or ask the question. You've answered the question and I thought you answered the question quite and I disagree. But you answered the question quite nicely. Yeah. That to me would be the better alternative than say Pittsburgh finally being bad and going into the draft and getting a guy for the next 10 years. I'd rather if I was going up again, somebody rather have had Baker. So you have no problem taking on Tampa Bay next week. Well, that's kind of irrelevant in this case just because we're one of the, I'm expecting us to be one of the worst teams of football. So, okay, it's not, you know what I mean? It's obviously I want to beat him. But I think it'd be done until next year you were saying under this hypothetical so it wouldn't even have mattered. Okay. Because I, I mean, I tell you, I think that we have a great chance to win on Sunday considering its week one. A great chance. I think we do. I think we do have a great chance. But I would tell you that week two, you probably have a chance because anytime he's pressed,

28:33he's gotten in his own way. So I do think you'd have two chances, but you have a quarterback who's afraid of his own shadow who's playing for you. Well, him, I'll tell you Baker getting this contract done, you know, I said three weeks ago when he made training camp all about his contract and he was talking to the team about his contract. Actually, did he say, did he talk to the team about not making his training camp all about his contract? That's what a guy would say if he was trying to mute the conversation. He was trying to having more conversations publicly and then telling the media that what he was doing was putting pressure and it worked. He got the contract done. He did. Now we have to see the actual terms of the contract as as we know a lot of these deals unless they are, you know, the top flight elite level players, a lot of these deals, you start to uncover, oh yeah, the guarantees aren't exactly what they are. This isn't anywhere near the money that you think they're going to be and then we find out way later like a year and a half later like that wasn't even close to the, you know, annual per year that we thought it was going to be, but either way, good job, get it done. And so maybe this won't be weighing on him.

29:35He doesn't have to prove everybody wrong every step of the way. So I think it was a good job by both sides. I think that it's, it's, to me, it's more convenient to keep him in the NFC South and to keep him with Tampa Bay. You're only going to see him a handful of times during his career if that, if he were to become a free agent sign on with one of these other teams. I mean, again, I think that this, this crop of quarterbacks is coming up. I think that no team or no fan base would be as jazzed about him if he had to hit free agency because, you know, I always said this about offensive lineman and I still mean it. I know that Tyler Lindobon became an off, became a free agent, but there's still few and far between the real top quality offensive lineman usually don't hit free agency and the usual top quality quarterbacks usually don't hit free agency. And so if he were to become a free agent from Tampa where they kind of stuck in the middle, I'd be like, I don't know where he's going to sign and maybe I would turn myself into some sort of a pretzel thinking he was going to do poorly in Pittsburgh. I just don't need to go through like next week's going to be a weird week.

30:38Something's going to be said, some, there's going to be some uglyness leading up to it. I guarantee it. I don't think it's just going to be Kumbaya whatever we're going to interpret everybody's words differently. Remember the monk man was here in 2019. So words are going to be said in some fashion and we're going to have to break down a press conference and guarantee it. And I only have to do that once every like three or four years when he plays for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I don't need to do that every like twice a year. And you would say, yeah, maybe you would just settle into a rhythm of that he plays for the Pittsburgh Steelers and that's it. It really got ugly and nasty. Like for a while, it kind of went that way with Ben Ralthusberger. And then at the end when he just kind of got bored with life, he seemed to be taking shots at Cleveland every year he possibly could. So I and I think that Baker's a guy who takes everything personal. I think he'll take things personal next week and I think he would have taken things personal over the next how many years have you were to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers over the offseason. So that being pointed out it's like, hey, again, I get a chance for my team to learn a lesson to not freak out like this ever again.

31:39Give up three first round picks for a basket case to replace somebody that we probably could have repaired the relationship on. Hopefully we'll learn that lesson and I got nothing against him. That was a what that was a once in a lifetime situation. You say that now, but there's been plenty of chances for there's plenty of chances for history to repeat itself. I don't I want to make sure that they remembered this lesson as long as they can. As guys on paper is good as Shaw Watson never available in the first place. You can't trade. Right. Like it wouldn't even it wouldn't even come up. And I hope that they have this conversation. So I hope I hope we'd never have to have this conversation someday. I hope the guy they taken in April just set sail and everything's great. But if they don't or if he's not, I don't want to have the old on paper conversation again because everybody thought on paper he was going to be great. Now he's not even good on paper. No, he's not good on paper. It's an unprecedented fall from grace. Yeah, he's not never seen in sports. He's not good on papyrus. He's not good on anything. I hope that this is a lesson they learn. I hope they take with them for the end of days.

32:43I mean, you should always be trying to upgrade your quarterback though. You don't you don't dispute that going after a quarterback, Benet and Baker wasn't a stupid decision. I just you were trying to maximize your window. Baker was a tailspin going the wrong way. I could understand the logic behind it, but I didn't understand. I understand the logic behind trying to improve your quarterback position, but I still didn't understand the logic going after to Sean Watson. I think we were pretty clear on the record about all that stuff. I didn't want to have to deal with any of the fall. You did it, man. He was better than Baker. Of course, I minute the time he was better than Baker, but I still didn't think it was going to be that's why the national people that came on that they they they were like, yeah, this is a massive upgrade. And I still didn't think it was going to be that much better than what it was. And I ended up being right about that. Did I not? I think it was. You were the one guy that predicted the all time unprecedented fall. I think it was going to be I never said it was going to be this bad, but I never thought it was going to be as good as what you made it out to be. I just think again, this isn't this isn't you, but like the learning, the learning, the lesson, like, yeah, you should always try to upgrade your quarterback. If you don't think the guy is capable of getting to the Super Bowl and winning in the

33:43window that you had. And as you see these windows close very fast. So I don't want them to learn that lesson. I do want them. You don't want them to learn a lesson over if they stay every main professional sports. If they have a window and their quarterback isn't good enough, the lesson is just keep the quarterback and hope that he gets good. No, the lesson is that sometimes an idea that's too good to be true. It probably is too good to be true. Yeah. And it ended up being way too good to be way too true. The only true part about it is that we were sucking again. And the only way we had out was with a journeyman 40 plus year old quarterback. So yeah, I do want them to learn that lesson, Anthony. So you're willing to just go into it again with a guy that again, you like I said, you would be with me all the time. It's kind of a move point because it's not even going to become available. The guys guys don't like to sit out and have him not play football for a year. Have the issues going with the ownership and him behind the scenes. And then we learn about accusation. Like this is not going to happen. Like that. But I think there will be quarterbacks that are available again.

34:45And I think that they need to do their very due diligence, even better this time around and they were willing to do it. That was the thing. You know, you did they did their due diligence until they knew that Baker wasn't going to want to come back and they knew that they were going to be stuck. They did their due diligence until then. And then everybody freaked out and then he demanded a trade. And instead of trying to just go, Hey, like you did with Kareem Haunt, David and Joku and God knows who else were like, we ain't trading you. Instead of that, you decided to give a guaranteed contract to an albatross who nobody wants to see coming up on Sunday. Instead of just trying to either a bring it a veteran and having compete or be trying to work it out in your lesson. Either of those situations within the scenario is at the guaranteed money that was because you know, we were one of 13 teams. I say, yeah, after I say the guaranteed money because it's a plenty of emphasis. That's always the three first-round picks that hurt worse because you bet on him being better. That you would carry it over with the three first-round picks and not only was he not better, he was the worst in the league. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's still something that I can't believe.

35:45I can't believe he was the wasn't the same player. He was unrecognizable. I think to a lot of people, but I don't think do you think that'll happen again? Like that whole set of circumstances. I don't think so, but I do think there might be a scenario where it's buyer beware when it comes to a quarterback that you're trading for. I don't think you're going to have a scenario where you're being accused of terrible things and you have a team that might have, it would have come to the accusations, might have looked the other way on some of these things. And then they make that team that looked the other way, makes you available. And then we jump into it because we can't get a situation figured out with a quarterback who definitely was immature and crazy in his own right and had way too many rabbit, rabbit ears going on. Like we, I would have much rather worked it out than a few shots that we had than what we have right now. And then the future Ken, would Ken Carmen have ever supported moving on from Jared Goff to Matt Stafford? I think under this you'd say, well, we learned our lesson. We would do that. Matt Stafford had a history. I'm glad you brought this up. Matt Stafford was a veteran.

36:46Matt Stafford didn't have any of the things around him. I don't, I trust Detroit more than I trust you. I bet you a lot of people would be like, come on, we're going to the playoffs. We're not moving on from, look, from Jared Goff. We went to the Super Bowl. Oh, it would, it was a risky move. I think a bunch of people would say we learned our lesson from Deshaugh. We're not doing that. Like, no, it's still going to happen. You know what? And if we ever find ourselves in this situation, you're going to have to remind me because I bet there's good and bad, but I didn't think that the, the Sean Watson situation was going to work out. And I, the granted, I've, he was nice in 2016. Everything else. I always question and the fighting is okay. I've got to pull up here. Those, the vaunted, the vaunted quarterback tears, the San Dotaurs for three of those years. People had, Deshaugh Watson on the same plane, if not higher in some of those given years the Matt staff. Yeah. And somehow you need to hope that he wakes up those echoes coming up here in four days. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Four days. Two and six, four, seven, four to below 92. We got Zach coming up at seven, 20. Can I bring John in when we start the next segment?

37:47Can I do that? It's okay with you on because it worked for Chase the lottery. It worked for Travis, Bazzana. Maybe we can get it worked for somebody else here. Especially Tanner Bobby. King Carmen Anthony Lyme alive in the face.