Hour 1: Price for Mac Jones, Other Jets QB Options

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Good morning, Bartholomew, Arthur, James, Scott.

Hey, what's up, bro? You know what this is? This is like the weekend before Christmas.

The time where all hope is renewed.

You know, you think that, you know, coming out for this weekend,

we're going to go into this weekend and it's going to be a combination of

senior bowl season, college playoffs.

It's going to be the combination of getting your big board together,

the combination of trying to figure out, okay, how do we align our big board

based on what we do? And it's not only this is time where you also

get the opportunity for all those times you're admiring somebody else from

afar that's surprisingly there available.

Right, and you have to decide is the juice works the squeeze.

With so many guys being released, with so many guys potentially being available,

this is where you really have to be on your pees and cues and be able to react

quickly and free agency. As guys get released,

as guys are potentially available in trades,

this weekend is when the deals really get done

and when guys are really trying to kind of kick the tires on people

and see what people will or won't accept.

You know, so this is like the day before Christmas, but this is one of those

we working on a weekend type of weeks for all organizations.

We think about what do we have?

Oh snap, I can't believe they let him go.

I mean, you just look at Minnesota.

Minnesota went all in last year to say we're going to be able to stop

the run in this Brian Flores type of defense.

You know, not only are they saying that the inside guys are available,

they're saying that they sang green yard is available on the outside.

Well, he's played at a high, it's just what I don't understand.

He's played at a high level, but the crazy part is we know the reason why

because they went all in because they thought last year I've become off to 14 and two season

that they will be able to win a championship.

I forgot one thing.

You need a quarterback to be able to win a championship.

And they paid all these other positions thinking that the head coach

was able to coach up JJ McCarthy on a short sample size

that he would step in and it would be like Mac Jones

or it would be like Sam Garneau or it would be like it would be like

Brock Purdy and it just didn't work out that way.

So now what they're doing, they're having to sell off.

And maybe you can get some guys from real cheap.

And if rather you're the Giants or the Jets,

you should be looking at other people's, you know,

it's sliding to other people's DMs and saying,

hey, man, who's available?

Because that's where we are.

It worked late for him last year with Harrison Phillips.

Yeah.

And I know it's, listen, in the grand scheme did it change the outcome of the year?

No, but it's a real good.

Will this year?

Yeah, it helps position you better for this year.

But I have to start here.

I got, I never get this annoyed.

But man, I was annoyed this morning listening to Dave and Dan

because they are sitting there about an hour and a half ago

and they're discussing the possibility of Mac Jones for the Jets.

And the idea of trading the 44th pick just being flat out stupid.

And I can't get past how that is possibly stupid.

We can talk about a lot of different reasons why it makes good sense.

And if you're saying that the Jets need way too many things to sacrifice a second round pick

for somebody that you don't know definitively is going to be your quarterback for the long term,

please show me the better option for the Jets to look at this year

that might actually give them a chance to win.

And that is what is aggravating me as much as anything.

The idea of we still have all these picks the next two years.

And we're going to stink again.

Are you going to stink again?

I mean, you've already decided you're going to stink again

before free agency even starts.

Well, normally I would be gracious in my football acumen.

I would kind of play humble.

I try to play humble and don't attack people especially people.

Well, these guys individual thoughts process because I think there are a lot of fans

that feel this way.

Usually I wouldn't come at my own people.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of my life.

Now, if this was hockey, I would lean on Rick.

If this was Pickle ball, Rick this morning, he was out.

I know, but I'm saying if this was Pickle ball.

Right.

I would lean on Dave.

But he can't be more out of base and more, you know, off track about why that a second

or first of all, let's start with the second round picks that have made major contributions.

Year one.

Anywhere.

Name me one.

I want somebody to name me one.

So Dan's point about the second round pick was, well, you're saying that Matt Jones is

going to be as impactful for the Jets as Breeze Hall.

Because Breeze Hall was the second round pick a few years ago and look what he's been.

This is really a different scenario.

No, I'm saying something even different.

Yeah.

I'm saying he can be as impactful as Sam Darnell.

Let that sink in.

Same path.

Same results.

He didn't play 14 games like Sam Darnell played the, the, the, the previous year.

But he played eight.

He did, you know, he helped keep a team in the playoff run when everybody thought that the, that the bottom was going to fall off.

Not only did he win, not only did he win games, being a, being a replacement, but he won games without key contributors.

Like Kittle, like Trent Williams, like Pascal, like what, what, what, what, what are we, what are we talking about?

This one, I don't understand what they don't understand.

A second round drive pick for a guy that could potentially be your future starting quarterback.

Could he be Baker Mayfield?

Same type of DNA.

Could he be Geno Smith?

They didn't, they wrote me off, but I didn't write back similar DNA.

Could he be, could he be, could he be, could he be San Bernard?

Similar DNA.

Could he be Daniel Jones last year?

Similar DNA.

What do you see with the second, with, with the second round drive pick?

You have an opportunity to put down your Mac Jones behind a solid to above average offensive line.

A dual threat behind him.

A true number one receiver on the outside.

You're not going to bring mentioned back because I believe that they're going to go with 16 and one of those picks.

They're going to go for trying to get McCoy limit or somebody like that.

So you're going to have two dynamic guys on the outside.

A former second round drive pick and I and I mentioned to go down the middle of the field.

And you're going to be able to get some things in free agency to maybe help the offense line.

You know, so like, I don't, I don't understand what they don't understand.

And why they don't think that they can turn around quickly and why this is a smart move.

And why is a smart move as well?

Kyle Murray.

If they got Kyle Murray there, and I said, oh, well, they say trying out, I would kick the cans on it, right?

Kyle Murray is going to cost you what?

Multiple year deal money.

But is he going to cost you, he's going to cost you double digits, right?

Well, because when he's getting cut, it's going to be a minimum deal.

You're talking about for the long term beyond this.

Well, I mean, if it's going to be a deal, it's not going to be a one year deal.

It's going to be a two year deal.

He's not going to take it.

Because he's still getting paid this year.

I understand that.

What I'm saying is he might be, he might be, you know, $10 million.

It might be $5 million.

It might be a two year deal for, you know, maybe $30 million.

$10 in the first year, 20, whatever, whatever that is, right?

Malik Will is going to cost you about $20 million a year.

Mac Jones is under contract for three, what, $3 million a year?

Yeah.

He's going to cost you $3 million.

And the thing is, he's not any, he can't, he's not in a position of power to say, hey,

you know, I want to, I want to deal.

No, he's going to have to play on that deal, which gives you a tremendous advantage

to be able to go out and sign someone else.

And this is the thing.

Oh, well, Bart, that's stupid.

Because it was smart for San Francisco to sign him to a multi year deal.

You right.

A multi year deal that this year would have cost him $3 million is a still.

Because guess what?

He, he, he was worthless weight and gold last year because he won him eight games

in game opportunity to go to the playoffs and also the potential to win the division.

But for us, for our standpoint, it allows us to say, hey, he can't go anywhere.

We can franchise tag him.

So just because you sign up for one year deal, I mean, you go on his right foot for one year.

You can always franchise tag him and get a long term deal.

And if he turns out to be your answer at 27 years old, then you have three first round draft picks

next year where you could really get a lot of talent on a team.

This, this to me is amazing that this is not something you would consider more seriously.

So I want to tackle this from a couple of angles, all right.

Number one, for the people who would ask, well, why would San Francisco do that?

Because Matt Jones last year, let's call it what it was.

You can look at it and say he kind of saved their season in a lot of ways when party went down.

Because he played very well for them.

Now, why would they want to trade him away when they have him at $3 million and they have that?

Well, first of all, Kyle Shanahan and his history with quarterbacks.

I think is pretty confident that he can have a lot of positive effects on guys.

Like we saw with Sam Darnell, Sam Darnell credits his time in San Francisco for helping coach and develop him into a better quarterback.

So I think with Kyle Shanahan, as far as finding a quality backup, probably feels pretty good about his ability to develop him, right?

That would be number one.

If I have a chance, it's not trade him away to trade him away.

It's trade him away to get a second round pick for San Francisco, which financially is going to have their issues.

You know, you're getting older.

You got Fred Warner coming back from the injury he's coming back from.

You got Bosa coming back from the injury he's coming back from.

They're making a ton of money and you need to find other, you've already paid per to here.

You need to find cheap labor that is not definitively on the bench to start the year.

So if you have a second round pick, that does a lot for you, right?

So and I didn't even think this was the thing until Adam Schaefter brought it up earlier in the week.

That that Schaefter, who was a guy barred who was saying all along the 49ers wouldn't trade him.

Well, they might trade him if it's for a premium pick.

The Jets are loaded with premium picks.

When I tell them to trade away a one.

That's the right time.

Tell them to trade away a mid second round pick.

That's that's that's that's my point.

That's a win-win for everybody, right?

Yeah, is it a calculated risk that Brock Purdy could possibly get hurt?

But if you call Shanahan, there's going to be enough guys out there to be able to wheel and deal to get somebody.

Whether they want to trade trade for a fifth round pick.

I mean, I think the the Jets can also be should also be kicking a candle in Davis Mills.

I at least knock on the door, although given their situation,

I think it's probably less likely that Davis Mills would end up getting traded because of how bad Stroud was.

And listen, I think you and I probably agree on this.

And I don't remember your exact take, but I felt like they needed to give Davis Mills the football in the second half of their life's playoff game.

Yeah, but the baddest things were with Stroud.

So if that didn't happen, I would understand it a little bit more.

Well, but the thing is, you know, they'll absolutely kick the damn on it.

They're running out of, they're running out of money.

They're running out of money.

They're running out of money.

Like they can they they have to win.

If if Davis Mills ends up being their starting quarterback, then they failed as a staff in bringing in CJ Stroud.

So they're all going to get fired anyway.

Unless Davis Mills not good enough to help them compete, especially within that division right now, when it used to be a joke of a division.

And you can just pencil them in for the last three years.

But Indianapolis would be back Jacksonville is much better.

Right.

So they they need to get good players and cheat players to because they just paid the nail hunter one year 40 million dollar extension.

They got to pay will Anderson this year, right.

They got to pay there.

They pay stingly last year, right.

They got guys.

Yeah, I got to pay the rents do for them too.

And by the way, they don't have an offensive line.

So they they're trading away lineman.

Exactly.

Two years in a row from larmy tonsil on out.

They traded away.

Juke Scruggs.

I didn't even realize was in that David Montgomery deal.

Who?

Juke Scruggs the lineman from Penn State.

Yeah.

They drafted like a year or two ago.

Right. So Juke Scruggs and they traded the other guy to the Browns.

Yeah, the tackle to the Browns the other day.

And so.

Okay.

All of that, right.

But then then there's the larger issue for me with the jets.

We're not going to do it because we can pick ourselves in a position next year to get another guy.

Why are we always to kick in the can down the road on this?

How long are you just going to accept losing and have that as a strategy?

Like the jets are weaponizing losing better than anybody I've ever seen.

And then not taking advantage of it.

Yeah, like the process at some point you got to prove the process.

Why don't you just draft three centers like Philly did.

And then have the first one who's a superstar, not play for the first two years.

And then the other two who stunk.

So what am I supposed to do when I'm looking at this?

And I just was like, well, look at the quarterback class last year.

Dumbasses.

We were saying that a year ago now.

And look what happened here.

Here's the thing.

Let's just say.

It's not okay.

Let's just say Malik Willis.

They get him and he's the real deal.

Let's just say they get Mac Jones.

They get him in a real deal, which is totally different.

Because because he's at the end with everything.

So let's just say, man, oh my god.

Mac Jones is you know, underneath Frank Wright.

It's the next sound, Donald.

He's the next baker may feel he has figured it out.

Next year is supposed to be what?

A year where you suppose to have some of the best quarterback

prospects come out in the first time in a long time, right?

Yeah.

With the jets with two with three first round draft picks.

How valuable are those and how many more first round draft picks

you can get in the future for teams that are trying to move up

to get the jets position to be able to get one of one of five

of those quarterbacks.

That means that three first round draft picks could potentially turn

into four first round.

So three next year and two next year.

So that means over the course of three years this year,

next year and the following year, the jets could have a total

of seven first round draft picks.

You think if you pick right with seven first round draft picks,

that can't change your organization around knowing that you got

seven guys that you don't have to pay for four years.

Listen, I wouldn't expect them to go seven for seven because

that's off at all.

Asked a lot.

Okay.

Five for seven.

And then let's just say the two that don't,

not a hit, just don't have to be horrible.

Okay.

Listen, you don't have to convince me on that front.

And so what I'm saying is if they can find their quarterback

this year, that means the three that they have next year can

potentially become multiple picks.

Somebody's one to somebody's one to move up.

We don't know if the bottom's going to fall out on one of these

picks that they got.

We, we assume the Dallas is going to be good.

We don't, we assume that any items going to be,

any apple is going to be good.

But what if they're not?

And then that's a pick that's sitting there prime ready for a

quarterback.

Did either of us, did anyone at the beginning of last year say

that Seattle and New England were going to be in the Super Bowl?

Did anybody?

I'm not saying they're going as a Super Bowl,

but how long do you just assume, well, they're going to

stink again anyway and they're going to be awful.

So we may as well just lean into it again.

It's 15 years, man.

It's 15 years without going to the playoffs.

That's a, that's embarrassing.

And that's absurd.

And you continue to be a joke if you want to do that.

And then that brings me to this.

We're talking about the other names that are coming up in this

discussion.

Geno Smith.

We're talking about Carson Wentz.

We're talking about Andy Dalton.

Andy Dalton's a nice player.

None of those guys.

None of those guys.

Are anywhere close to Mac Jones?

And you, I'm just going to say, it's no offense to those guys,

but when you're talking about bringing them in as you're starting

quarterback, that's definitive loser talk.

You know what's definitive?

You know what's funny?

If you trade for Mac Jones and you still bring one of those guys in,

the backups going to be making more than the starter.

Yeah.

Fine.

You want to bring in two quarterbacks?

That's great.

Can we meet you and draft one in like the fifth round?

Great.

Can we make sure they all don't stink?

Is that possible?

Can one of them at least have an opportunity to, you know,

move the football?

And if you want to say, well, the Jets have Frank right?

And they don't have any, but they don't have what the 49ers

having Kyle Shanahan and all that.

Man.

Did they know who took his knowledge with him?

Did they get who sound right?

They figured it out.

Did they forget who sound right was?

And what he's done?

You want a Super Bowl with Nick Folls?

Yeah.

With Frank right?

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, and I know that he's got a relationship with Carson Wentz.

Okay.

That's five.

I saw that whole thing.

Think about this part.

Carson Wentz has been on five teams in five years.

Really six teams and six years.

Okay.

In Indianapolis, a few years back, he threw 27 touchdowns

and seven interceptions.

And they couldn't wait to get him out of town.

Yeah.

There was, he was not the answer and they knew it immediately.

And he wasn't even that bad.

And then, you know, he has a reputation, right?

But listen, bring him in as a backup.

I have no problem with that.

But yeah, at some point you, you always, every, every year that you don't have a quarterback,

you got to throw something against the wall to see if it sticks.

And why not throw it at Mack Jones when you have a luxury of having two first round drive?

Means two second round drive picks.

But that's not even throwing something against the wall.

That, that's making a move that would actually give you a chance.

And if it doesn't work, I lost a second round pick.

Oh well.

So you, because you're, because you're, because you're asking yourself to, right?

You're asking, you're, you're asking yourself, okay.

And what point does the judge get the compensatory pick for hiring a minority coach?

I think that would have been next year, probably.

I can't answer that for sure, but I'll look.

But it's usually a third round draft pick, I think, when you hire a minority coach.

And I think it usually comes like three years later, something like that.

All right.

Well, I'm looking it up right now.

But damn, they should got something from Salah.

Well, I think they did back that, but I don't know if the, the thing was in.

The, the Lions got the third round pick.

The jets don't get that third round pick.

The Lions got it because in 25 and 26, because the jets hired Aaron Glenn.

Yeah.

So it's, it basically is the team that develops the minority coaching talent gets rewarded for it.

So if you fire, you don't get it.

Got it.

If I say Salah got fired.

Well, no, but no, but like it's the team.

Yeah, he came from so 49ers, so 49ers get one for Salah.

Right.

Got you.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, no, that kills that.

But you, you have to ask yourself, what quarterbacks are available?

What teams can, can make us be taken seriously because it's not only just about having a quarterback

that can help you.

It's also about having a quarterback that can allow you to be able to attract people and say,

Hey, the jets on the joke anymore.

This is the point.

Listen, I saw something over the last 10 years, the organization with the worst record.

It's a jets.

Yes.

I never would have, I would have thought Cleveland.

Right in front of the Giants.

Right.

Last 10 years, worst record winning percentage in football.

They haven't come close to the playoffs since you were playing.

How is that possible?

What do you want?

10.

Well, all right.

They came close the one year, but that was 10 years ago.

Yeah.

That was what, that was balls for his year.

That was 2015.

2016.

I mean, that was Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback.

I don't understand this idea that you cannot possibly trade away a second round pick for what is a lottery ticket that has some increased odds to it.

That's like, it's not trading it away for a lottery ticket, Bart.

It's trading it away for a hand of black check, where the odds are slightly in the favor of the house, but only slightly.

Like, those are the best odds in the house.

Like, I'd have a decent chance and think and Mac Jones could at least give me an opportunity to be competitive.

I know the jets need a lot.

And you, but they have, they have the assets to get a lot.

But if you have a quarterback neck and process with this offensive line, you should be in games.

If you have a quarterback that can go back and know where to go with the ball, when they put their foot in the ground, with this offensive line ability to protect above average, we have to see what they do at left guard, because I think, you know, they can just keep tip in there as right guard so that they can only technically be out of one position.

They have to feel one hole.

Like, with that being said, with a quarterback neck and processing, one thing we know is that Mac Jones is a quick processor.

We don't know about, we don't know about Malik, Malik Willis.

But we know that he'll drop back one, two, three, know where to go with the ball.

He can read defenses, he can read coverages.

We saw that that's not a Shanahan thing.

That's a processing thing.

Either you process fast or you don't.

That's not something that comes from your coaching or your coaching skills that you either got that or you don't.

That's not something you lose if you go somewhere else.

You're still going to be able to process.

And I like Malik Willis.

If you're telling me which I'd rather give 40 or 50 or 40 million dollars or 35 million dollars to Malik Willis.

We're a second round pick to the 49ers.

It's not close.

Yeah, because the pick is a projection.

It's like you said, it's a lottery ticket.

It's a hope and a wish.

But Mac Jones is a proven commodity.

So that's what I'm saying.

He's more athletic than we give him credit for.

Like we saw him play at a high level against us.

And not just against us against everybody.

His rookie year.

He's 27 years old.

He's been through some stuff.

He had an opportunity in Jacksonville.

Didn't work out.

And he was a backup there anyway.

Went out to San Francisco.

We know that was a deal.

That was a show anyway.

Went out to San Francisco.

Number was called immediately.

And he stepped up.

Learning that offense in one year.

I just.

I'm blown away.

And I think we actually saw this happen with the Knicks.

Where over the last couple of years.

People have accepted.

Whatever the Knicks are going to be because they have looked at it like.

Well, we were so bad for so long.

This is just great right now.

And I get that right.

But there's not.

You know, they have reached a point in their processing over the last couple of years.

We're winning a championship.

Should be what the focus is.

And not just.

Oh, hey, we made it to the conference finals again or whatever.

Like they're good team.

Right.

The Jets are so early in this that the bar is set so low by so many people that you're

willing to toss in the season on freaking March 6th before free agency begins

with a ton of cap room before the draft.

You guys are already saying we're tanking another year.

And you haven't been to the playoffs in 15 years.

What have they done to you?

What have they done to you?

They're numb.

They're numb to it.

The thing is you don't have to even think to be able to still go get one of those quarterbacks.

If you get Mac Jones and you say, hey, we're in position to grab one of those guys.

And Mac Jones did his job.

He played well.

And you say, you know what?

I still want to take a swing at one of these guys.

That's what you got three first round draft picks for.

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Bart, want to get some of these comments in here real quick.

Visa V, what's going on with the jets at quarterback.

People are knocking the fact that Matt Jones is not a proven commodity.

Well, if you want to look at it, Matt Jones basically saved the 49ers season last year.

And there are a couple of comments that are trying to find the one.

Exactly coach and development.

Jets have been able to develop anything.

That from Gregory Monto in reference to the 49ers having Kyle Shanahan.

But any break right has done this for years.

Yeah, and did anybody bother to go back and look what happened?

If you're going to knock Matt Jones about not being a proven commodity.

Who is this offensive coordinator?

Those other two years in New England after his first year.

Matt Patricia.

Matt Patricia was calling plays.

He's defensive coordinator in college now.

That he never called plays in his life.

And Bill and Chick thought, I'm a genius.

I can throw this guy over there.

And we won't have a problem.

Because he's a mathematician.

He can come up with an equation.

With the p-atheram theory.

Yeah, sure.

Whatever it is.

He went to Rensselier Polytechnic Institute.

That dude ain't calling plays for me on offense.

And he has a pencil with a laminated sheet.

How dumb is that?

The last time I checked, you can't write over a laminated sheet.

Remember that pencil used to have that was like,

it was a string and it was yellow.

And you kind of twisted around.

Yeah.

And it reveals more of the like yellow tip.

It looked like, it looked like he looks like every time something goes wrong.

It's like Chris Jericho in the middle of the ring.

There we go.

It just made the list.

There you go.

A grease principle.

Thanks, right?

It's a grease principle.

A ton, Tom Litz and second round pick for Jones would be a steel.

I don't disagree with that with the jet.

I mean, steel is a little strong.

But it's like I said, it's not a lottery ticket.

It's a hand of blackjack.

And people as they responded to that are like, well, you know,

of course, the jets would draw 15.

I understand that.

But listen, would you rather have a lottery ticket or one hand of blackjack?

I would rather have one hand of blackjack where I have a decent chance.

And then there's more coming in.

No cousins.

No wence.

No genome.

If the genome thing, I is just mind boggling to me.

And you have to trade for genome.

Yeah, you do.

And genome calls money.

He got a deal last year.

Now, I want to give genome a chance because to a degree,

not as a starter as a backup because he did have to deal with Chip Kelly last year.

And that was a disaster.

Yeah, but you still have to pay for genome and trade for genome.

So you give them a fourth.

A fifth.

And a later pick.

But then have a quality of play.

When does that become a thing?

Give me Matt Jones, somebody who played well who's still young.

Geno has to be in his like mid 30s by now.

I would think at the very least 35 years old.

33.

35.

He's 35 years old.

Right.

Wow.

I'm just going to look and see what his finances are.

I mean, they paid him to be the starting quarterback.

You'll.

Yeah.

Carol game.

Geno's cap number.

Geno has 18 five guaranteed for this year.

And 26 five is his cap number.

For this year.

Yeah.

So I mean, that's.

That's not nothing.

Yeah.

It's not three million.

I'll tell you that.

And from somebody that's 35 years old that you kind of already know what he is.

It has been here before.

Yeah.

Twice with the jets and with the giants.

Let's see here.

We'll get a couple of more in through the comments as well.

But this idea.

That the jets.

Can't afford to trade away a second round pick.

I mean, that's absurd.

How long do you want to lose?

800 nine one nine three seven seven six.

So let's hit the calls.

And they're lining up bar to get after it.

We're going to start with Augie in Long Island on ESPN New York to start us off today.

What's up, Augie?

How are we doing?

How are we doing?

Good morning.

I'm doing well.

I'm doing all myself.

So I wanted to talk about those New York jets, of course.

27 year old fan year from Long Island.

I'm absolutely disrupted.

This fan base is disrupted.

We've really had enough.

I've even a former employee.

So I've been up close.

I've seen what the scene has done regime change after regime change.

We are so tired of hearing about draft picks for hope.

I couldn't agree more.

The time is now.

They need to do it now.

If you think about it, they've been bad for 10 years.

Just like you guys have been saying.

It's been 10 years of nothing.

Not just losing football, putrid, horrible football.

I'm going to sell up blowing up that regime.

We cannot do it anymore.

We are losing sense.

I was there.

I was there.

I met like 30 in week one this year.

What a disgrace.

What a disgrace.

I mean, losing that came to Pittsburgh though in week one.

Everybody thought you had a chance.

Everybody looked around and thought, well, this may not be that bad after all.

Well, that's because of the quarterback.

And then they realized that he couldn't throw it to zone.

And people stopped playing man to man.

That's a problem.

That's really a problem.

And listen.

I'm sorry that I'm going to say this.

Okay.

I'm apologizing to you right now in advance of this.

You historically are closer right now as a fan base to the butt fumble than a playoff appearance.

That's what I said.

That's facts.

And that's true.

That's facts.

That is true.

And you don't have a quarter, but you don't have a quarter.

If you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance.

And you can't say what I'm saying is you can't say that Mac Jones isn't one of the best

32 quarterbacks in football.

Absolutely true.

Absolutely true.

You cannot say that.

So if that's the case, then you go get them.

Because guess what?

It's other teams that probably have Jacoby Berset is probably like 38, 39.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I'll give you a little nugget.

You want a little nugget?

You know, who I think could really be the Cardinals quarterback next year?

Jimmy J.

I heard the floor is really going to go after him.

Oh, because that's right there with each other.

They're with each other in LA.

He'll get hurt.

You talk about, you talk about, you talk about a guy you can't depend on.

I know, but like, and listen, that's fine.

If you bring in Jimmy G, you better have a good backup.

You better have a solid backup.

You're going to get hurt.

You can put the band back together, put him and Jacoby Berset together.

I know that you got one quarterback.

But I'd really like to know this from JetFans.

Are you okay if your quarterbacks this coming year?

Argino Smith?

Andy Dalton or Carson Wentz?

And you know, Drew Auer?

Are you okay with that?

Or do you actually want to try to win?

I don't know.

It blows my mind.

It absolutely blows my mind.

800-919-3776.

A little problem we have to get to as well.

The lines are bustling as we speak.

But a little problem we have to get to yesterday for me after the Randy's donuts situation.

My body, and this was, and this is not in a way that was any sort of disgusting, okay?

Because usually when I started sentence with my body, it ends that way.

But my body was questioning what the hell has been happening when I have been on the GLP1 for about four months now.

Yeah.

And all of a sudden an influx of massive sugar amounts came in.

Oh my God.

Drew Auer felt yesterday afternoon.

Did you just have to go to sleep?

Or did you wear your hot?

Oh, big fellow with sleepy.

That was a crash out.

I wasn't feeling bad.

But my head, I just felt off.

And then I, and it's just because I haven't had that much sugar in forever.

And it, don't get me wrong.

It was delightful.

The more I thought about that, that I get, what do you call it?

The blaze crawler?

The way you dip in the coffee?

Oh my God.

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Rather take a chance on Malik Willis and use a two on Mac Jones.

Arturo Malik couldn't start in Tennessee with Brable.

Later system would make any quarterback look like Michael Vic.

I have more faith in Kyler Murray.

I don't think any of those names are going to be here.

The names you're hearing a lot more are the guys like Geno

and like, you know, the gingers.

Right.

Both Carson Wentz and Andy Dalton at this point.

David, would you rather have Andy Dalton or Gartner Minto?

Probably Dalton.

Probably.

Just because he feels like it's just a professional.

Yeah, and I still think he's got, like, we saw him in Carolina.

Like, he still has a chance to win games, you know what I mean?

Like, he's not going to kill you.

Like, he's a perfect veteran back up to have what I want to go into the year.

If I had to go into this year with Andy Dalton as my starter for the Jets,

they're not making a playoff, obviously.

But then I went in a lot of game.

Like, Mac Jones makes you feel like, hey, you got a chance.

I think Mac Jones should give you the same optimism that Justin feels gave you.

Oh God.

Man, man, he's been done wrong.

After what we saw last year with Mac Jones, absolutely.

It's like, yo, he's been done wrong.

He was in a bad situation.

Belichick had lost his, his, his mojo.

He couldn't drive well.

He was a horrible general manager.

That was one of the worst or least talented football teams.

He got him to the playoffs.

It's not like Mac Jones can go to the playoffs as a rookie.

He went to playoffs.

He just lost a variable in the playoffs.

Yeah.

So he's went, he's taken a team to the playoffs.

And that wasn't a great, uh, extremely talented team.

Cause you can't name any of the offensive players.

That was even on that damn team.

Gilberto and the truck is up next on ESPN New York.

Gilberto, what's going on?

I got us.

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What up?

It's having my brothers maintain.

Yeah.

But, you know, I've been listening a little longer since you guys started.

And um, I'm thinking to myself.

Why Colin said before the San Francisco wasn't going to let go of Matt Jones.

So why are we, you know, saying where did this come up?

Where we came up?

Adam Scepter.

Adam Adam Scepter came up.

So what, what happened earlier this week?

Adam Schaefter was on on sportsman like.

And the discussion with Adam was about the Jets quarterback situation.

Now, this is in mind, keeping in mind that Adam is the one that said the 49ers

are not trading Mac Jones a couple of weeks ago, but he brought it up.

And he said, if they got a premium pick from Mac Jones, meaning, you know,

a first two day pick.

And for me, that premium pick means first two rounds that they very well may do it.

Because they feel like, we have the sound from it earlier in the week.

Let's hear that right now, Tom.

Well done.

Well done by Tom and Brad.

Which Fernando Mendoza is going to be the number one pick.

Ty Simpson had a great combine.

He could go in round one.

And I have no idea how it's going to play out yet.

It's too early to say, you know, if I were the Jets, I would call the Niners.

And I would say, okay, here's our two this year.

Would that make you think from Mac Jones?

The Niners don't want to trade them, not plan to trade them.

But if you could offer them a pick that's attractive enough,

that's not necessarily a one that you will love to it, could you get them to think?

Yeah.

And for me, when Adam Schaefter says something like that,

I probably feel pretty good about their process in San Francisco.

Oh, Bart.

I feel that the Jets should just improve every other position than the quarterback position.

Yeah, Colin, you did say last year that a big crop was coming out.

But a lot of those guys got hurt.

You know what I'm saying?

I don't know who guys went back to college.

I'm going to hand that number.

But let me know your thoughts on your Jets improve every other position.

You both left here.

But you can do both.

Before you get off, before you hang up, you can do both.

I'm going to let you go now.

But explain that to me to all your listeners.

Okay.

Well, when I say you can do both, this is taking a swing.

This is taking a educated guess, hoping that maybe this guy can be a guy

that can turn it around like we've seen in recent years,

whether it was, whether remember, Baker and Darna was on the same Carolina team

and people still thought they stung.

Like, but both of them have turned their career around.

Geno Smith turned this career around.

Right?

So like, maybe they can have that rich Ganon change them narrative later in their career.

And everything that Mac Jones showed us, he showed us that he could.

These shoulders that he can play at a high level.

Out of the eight games he played, I believe,

but did they win all of them?

Except for one?

They went five and three in the game.

Okay.

Five and three as a starter in that division with that type of schedule that they had.

And not only was he playing, you know, where the 49ers playing without Brock Purdy,

they were playing without Kettle.

They playing without Trent Williams.

They're playing without Pasco or Pasal, whatever, how you say his name?

Like, they're playing without, you know, they're number two receiver.

Did they drive a couple of years ago?

Are there any reason he didn't play because he got shot?

All they had was, yeah.

So, I mean, so why wouldn't you think that that's more of a sample size than Malik Willis,

playing in spot-up duty?

That's him going to the game with the team knowing that he's a starter and preparing to stop him.

Okay.

So Mac Jones, right?

This past year, as the starter,

started 3-0, started four, yeah, went five and three.

He beat New Orleans on the road.

They beat Arizona at home. I did that game.

They won at the Rams.

They lost at Tampa.

They beat Atlanta at home.

They lost at Houston.

And then they beat the Giants.

And then the second time they lost to the Rams.

And then the second Rams game, he went 33 of 39 for 319.

So what are we talking about?

What are we talking about here?

What am I missing?

33 of 39.

They trusted him enough to put the ball in the air 33 times.

Against the Rams, yeah, on the road.

Now, Grant, they lost again 42-26, so part of it is certainly that they had to.

But...

Don't matter.

That's efficient as hell.

And, you know, the Arizona game, he threw a pick in the second half of that game.

That gave Arizona a chance to really salt that game away and granted its Arizona.

But then, without a problem,

led them right down the field at the end to get to the game winning field.

Right down the field.

And where are you getting at?

Or where do you have examples of that anywhere else?

I would feel really, really good if that's the reality.

I wouldn't lose any sleep for that.

And it just goes back to where the bar has been set.

Arno Cantor, over on the chat.

Here's the goal for 20-26.

Don't be a laughing stock.

Really?

That's...

I get what he's saying.

He won't respect the building.

Yes!

I mean, not being a laughing stock is 7-8 wins.

Yes.

Exactly.

The Jets are not a team.

Like, when I talk about the Giants having to end last year with the number one pick,

because you have to come out of that disaster with something.

Yeah.

And Jets are not a team after not being in the playoffs for 15 years,

so you can continue to think about making the playoffs three and four years down the road.

Yeah.

Be the Panthers.

Be the Panthers.

Okay?

Would that kill you?

Upset some good teams.

Lose some tight games.

And then, okay, bam.

We got three first round draft picks.

We're going to get a quarterback.

And we're going to get some more good players.

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