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Starting at 3 p.m. and a shout out to the team Italian baseball team

for winning last night and allowing the United States to advance.

Come on, man. Come on, man. They had to win by five, right?

Well, they won by nine or whatever the hell the score was.

Yeah, like you, Stevie Wonder, could see that one coming, man. They did come all stop.

That's a big, you know what? But that's a bad, that's a bad job out of Mexico.

You know, they're fighting for their lives and they go out there and almost mail it in.

That was a horrible performance.

I actually watched some of it too because like I said, I wanted to see, you know,

because if the United States didn't get out of the group play for this World Baseball Classic,

that would have been an embarrassment. An embarrassment.

Exactly. You would go back to that cornea speech that Judge had at day one.

He would say you're everything you need to know.

I forgot about the speech.

Do you imagine that if they get bounced from pool play and then they're going to have that speech

that's going to be playing for like eternity?

Oh my god.

I would overlay it with like the Rudy speech and Rocky.

The trial's done speech.

If I put nothing, a hundred night man.

Come on man.

Wait a sec. Tom tells me that that's here it is.

Okay, here's the speech.

Here's Judge. A little bit of it.

The sacrifice for your family at home, you sacrifice the country,

you sacrifice for the brothers in the treasure of what you hear it's going to say.

And that's what they want us to do.

You know, we're down, we'll beat up a little bit man.

We didn't do that man.

We're going to lay it out online and we do that.

We're ready to go to home and tell me.

And they almost got eliminated before they could even get to the quarterfinals.

Oh my gosh.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable man.

I want to see who's the ace for the uh, who's the ace for uh for America?

Is it Kershaw or no Kershaw?

No, Paul skiing.

It's games, Paul Skins.

I wonder if Skins is going to it's going to be uh like

Titese.

If you look at him like he looked at the picture yesterday.

We got to get there first.

We got to play Canada.

United States plays Canada on uh Friday night.

So that'll be the next one.

Yo, if we lose the Canada and baseball.

Well, that's dude.

That's like a revenge game for that member.

They want they want revenge for what happened with the hockey.

Yeah, but I'm just saying if we lose to come on man.

If we lose to Canada, a hockey place

in baseball and we fall in behind.

Canada and baseball.

Oh, dude, they lost to Italy and baseball.

And it's it's a bunch of major leagueers essentially

that weren't good enough to be on team USA

and because their last name ends in a vowel,

they're on team Italy.

That's how that team works.

Well, a lot of the guys would name it a play, right?

Correct.

Well, of course they're not good enough.

I mean, Vinnie Pasquotino, I lumped the death.

These you know, I've had them on shows.

Great dude.

He's a jet season ticket holder as a matter of fact.

Big jet fan.

And he was on team Italy because obviously

he has an Italian background.

But he there was no way he was going to be on team USA.

So that's what they losing to.

That's who they lost to.

These are your men.

But Vinnie hit three home runs last night

and help the United States get to the next round.

What do we have that sound here was um

and Vinnie's like, like I say,

he's a great dude.

He's a character here.

Here's what here was his interview

after the game last night on Fox.

That was unbelievable, huh?

You're welcome USA.

We were thinking of you guys over at your hotel.

We were thinking of you guys.

So God, you guys could join us in the party.

There you go.

How about that?

Express those shots in the dugout after the home runs

and they go out there and get the job done.

So Italy's moving on.

The United States is moving on.

And this thing will be the one thing

about the world baseball classic.

It's going to be over.

It goes fast like Tuesday is the championship

game already.

Yeah.

What did they take like three weeks off

of um they take like what three

three weeks off of um spring training?

Yeah.

That's that's about it.

Like and that was the other.

I've said you see better pitching

and stuff like that.

You see better pitching again.

I mean, and ramps you up.

Let's say more than what you would be

getting in spring training games.

But that's the thing also that I've noticed.

Like to me this time around with the WBC more so than even

in any of the other years that the tournament's

going on while the WBC has been happening

it seems like the all thirty

training camps right now.

It's almost like they don't even exist.

Yeah, you forget you forget the old man

is trying to be what's the game.

Well, oh, man, he planned.

If you heard anything coming out of like

Met Camp, Yankees Camp or any of the case.

Oh, Staten.

Oh, Staten.

Okay.

Say you want to play every day.

Okay.

Yeah, that's great.

Fantastic.

You know what I mean?

But it's like this is in both in Florida and Arizona.

Like you just don't not hear any news.

What's so ever it's like everything is on hold

while the WBC is going on.

So a couple of more days of this and at least

the United States gets the next round.

And we'll see how they fare tomorrow against Canada.

Giants.

They've obviously gotten a little bit of a

different look with the moves that they've

made here so far this off season.

And look, it's familiar to at least the head coach.

And you kind of expected that when you have so many

Baltimore guys making the trip up 95 North

to now join the Giants and East Rutherford there.

Is there one that kind of stands out to you more so

than any others that you say, you know what?

Kind of like that move.

Of course, it's got to be Patrick Recart, right?

You talk about and listen, the sign of the

Patrick Recart kind of tells me that, you know,

Greg Rome is going to do what he do.

There's going to be a running running based team.

But the signing of a record kind of makes me think that

Germany love might be a realistic option.

Like the hardball is like saying like, hey, I didn't

have nothing to do.

We can we can get a receiver.

But to have an outstanding B. John Robinson.

Like B. John Robinson, Chris McCaffrey.

I wouldn't even say John and Jameer Gibbs.

I wouldn't say Jonathan Taylor.

Like are probably like the elite of the elite,

like on a different level than the other running backs.

And to be able to get somebody like that hardball

understands by having Henry by having Ray Rice,

having well Gus Edwards and them they were okay.

But having JK Dobbins before he got hurt.

Like he's used to having an outstanding back.

And I don't know if he scatables a tweener.

Yes, he's not in every down back.

Yeah, he's a tweener.

He's a he's a tillback slash fullback.

Well, it's interesting you mentioned love at, you know,

possibly being in the selection.

Now here's the thing.

We know that he's a good player.

I know that depending on who you talk to,

some will tell you that he might even be considered like

the best player in this draft, right?

Everybody it's Apple and everybody's eyes different.

Yep, but if you're the giant,

so let's say that's the guy that you covet.

And I'm sure that they have some interest in him.

Don't you think you could be in a position

that you could maybe even drop down a couple spots

and still get him staying in the top 10?

I don't know.

I mean, because we thought he was going to get,

we thought that maybe Kansas City was going to get him.

Right, and that's not because Kenneth Walker.

Right, but depending on how far you fall,

somebody else may try and jump you to get to him.

So you move back to 10, somebody else moved back to seven, then what?

I tell you what, if I'm the giants and I still have needs,

you know, I mean, like, I'm not one player away.

I mean, we've realized that.

I would really, really give a lot of consideration to doing that.

And I would roll the dice because okay,

if I lose out on the guy, if I lose out on Jeremiah love,

I know that there's other guys I could take that are going to help me.

It's not another guy that's out there.

You think about these receivers.

It's another one out there, maybe.

You know what I mean?

Well, I'm not talking about running back even.

I'm talking about what about the holes that they still have on defense.

Right?

See, this is the thing.

They shouldn't have holes on defense.

Caleb down sitting there.

If Caleb Downs is still sitting there,

let's say, if I trade down to seven or eight and he's still on the board,

I'm running the card up and putting him in my secondary.

It's tough, man.

I mean, because they got Edmunds,

so that hole is kind of filled.

You don't have to.

Edmunds is a linebacker, though.

I mean, I feel that because I thought Sunny Styles was the guy

once they got rid of Care Kay,

but they brought Edmunds over.

So you say, okay, well, they got Edmunds.

So I mean, it's a calculation they have to do.

Like Caleb Downs, yeah, okay.

I mean, if that's like, think about what I have it's safety right now if I'm the giants.

Right?

I mean, I gave Javon Holland that money,

but he's, you know, he's kind of like a center-fielder type guy.

You know, and I'm right now Tyler Nuban is my other safety.

If I could get a Caleb Downs and have him be bringing the hammer and bring in the thump

and maybe almost make him a box safety,

why not just continue?

I mean, Harboss talked about the importance of stop-of-the-run.

You heard him say it.

It was, you know, a couple of weeks ago.

Here's the thing is with the kid they drafted from Toledo.

Sexy Dexy.

Burns.

Tibido.

And Carter.

You should be able to stop the down run and Edmunds.

You should be a union, I depend on those.

And it's especially if you're a 3-14.

Nobody ever depends on a damn safety to come down and it's helping the run.

He's the overhang guy.

You should be able to take care of that yourself.

But we know that it's a history.

Harboss has a history with middle linebackers.

He has a history with running backs and he has a history of the safeties.

And you can say corners too, but I think they'll hold the fort on corners.

But the conversation is styles,

downs, love.

Because if you get styles, he kind of helps you up both.

Because he's got the range of a safety.

He can be the inbox safety.

And you can play him as the big nickel or the big dime.

I'll tell you something though.

You can play him as Kyle Hamilton.

That to me still might be too good to pass up.

I mean, look, to me, to me, to me, to Edmunds,

that might only be a two-year thing.

But you have to have too good middle linebackers.

Just having one ain't enough.

Absolutely, that's what I'm saying.

I wouldn't close the book on styles.

If he's sitting there for me and wherever I'm thinking to pick,

if I'm at five, if I trade back to seven, eight, whatever,

if he slides that far, I'll turn the card in.

I've got no problem.

He gives you the even worry.

Type of look.

He can be the extra guy.

You can keep the two.

You can keep nubin in there.

You can keep Edmunds in there.

And then he can come out and be the overhang safety.

That's easy peasy.

Because you can ask him to drop up into space.

Or you can ask him to cover a tight end.

Speaking of tight end, what they've done also on the other side of the ball,

at least in terms of like their pass catcher, they got bigger.

You know, I mean, they got bigger.

Like one nail Robinson, you know, he got paid.

God bless him, right?

But now you bring an Isaiah likely.

You're putting Isaiah likely right in the slot.

And you're going to have him stretch the field and you have a much bigger target

for Jackson Dart to be thrown to compared to what one nail Robinson gave you.

This dude, I mean, this dude's a Isaiah likely.

He's like a basketball player.

You're throwing them jump balls out there.

What's like Travis, uh, Travis Kelsey.

You know, I mean, he's a guy that's not a burner.

He's a guy that's a middle, middle type of body type.

He's not overly big, like grunk six, six or six.

But he's on the, he's on the slipper side.

Yeah, not, not even really.

No, he's probably like two, 56, four.

He's kind of like that hybrid.

Delaney Walker slash Kelsey slash.

He's not like kiddo kiddo's a little bigger.

I think, uh, the Porter type guy, guy you get a ball.

He can get you 20 yards as yak.

Yeah, which, which I think that's money well spent.

And remember, we talked about him coming off the season that he had last year

with the Ravens, which wasn't as productive as the one the year before.

I think that brought his price down a little bit.

And the Giants didn't have to get into a bidding war necessarily.

No, exactly.

I mean, I thought, I thought maybe, I thought maybe Kansas City was one,

but not a, not a Kansas City has, um, brought over, uh,

Kenneth Walker to me.

It tells me that that's probably a place where it's a deep will go.

That means the deep, that's the trouble of freak athletes,

freak tight ends.

That's, that's for Kansas City.

Well, you got to start looking for the future.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right?

Because I mean, this is it for, this is, you know, this is the last rodeo.

He's a freak though.

Like, he, he's something that Kelsey never was.

That's a, he's a vertical threat.

100% 100%, uh, and, and, like you said, he's, he's a scary athlete.

But it's just like the thing with Kansas City.

And, and it's not like you should be surprised either.

Like, when I saw that news about Kenneth Walker,

I'm like, you got to be kidding me, right?

But remember, they, they had Patrick Mahomes.

Once you saw that news item, the Patrick Mahomes

redid his contract, and it freed up.

I forgot how much, you know,

tens of millions of dollars in salary cap spaces that they're up to something.

And they go ahead and they bring in Kenneth Walker.

So everybody that was waiting to throw dirt on the chiefs

because they had their one season where they missed out

and things didn't go their way.

You know, they're going to be back this year.

Like, you know, they'll be part of the conversation again.

Absolutely.

Uh, so you got that down there.

I think, I think, um, you just look at where you think people

are going to get drafted and what's the perfect fit.

I think now that, you know, the Ravens have lost,

the Ravens lost, um, lender bomb.

I think they're probably going to go with, um,

Milanoa.

Attackle.

That guard.

Moving to guard.

Yep.

They'll move from the guard.

They'll move, they'll move, they'll move them back to guard.

And they'll, they'll find the right tax on where.

But, you know, you talk about, because filet lays going.

And so, you know, you build your day, you got Ronnie Staley,

you got John Simpson to be, John Simpson to be right next to,

to Stanley where he was two years ago.

Yeah, but you know what?

I'm looking at it because they'll sound like they'll sound somebody

at center like Kusenberry.

Ravens is 14.

Do you think Milanoa's lasting to 14?

Oh, absolutely.

You think so?

Let's do, let's do your, uh, let's do your mic draft.

Yeah, you can't do it on fly.

No, I'm looking at the order, the order right now.

That's why, um,

would Arizona be in the market for Attackle at three?

I can't, they're not taking a, I mean, there's no quarterback to take a three.

At three, I can see them with maybe Arvail, Reese or Bayley.

Whoever the jets don't take.

Right.

And then you got, what about Salah?

Salah needs a receiver, man.

I can see.

He's got no, like for all the money they spent,

they have no, like, look at, do you know who, if they had a game,

well, I mean, they gave, um, because really, really it's old.

It's Wandaile Robinson and Calvin Ridley.

Calvin Ridley is like so, you know, yesterday's news.

Yeah.

So that's what, if they got a game tomorrow,

that's what Tennessee is running out there right now.

Wandaile Robinson and Calvin Ridley.

I can, I can, I can see them.

Carnail Tate.

So go with it.

You go, go through it.

They're like Cleveland.

It's six because they just cut,

they just cut Conklin today isn't man.

Man, they, they, but they signed something down.

They signed four people and traded for one.

Their drive is better than ever.

Well, I forgot they traded.

They made the trade with Houston.

Yeah, they made the trade with Houston.

They signed four.

Elton Jenkins.

They, they, they good.

That was a, by the way, the Elton Jenkins things.

Like that's, that's a good job by Cleveland picking him up.

I mean, he, I know, I understand he got into a numbers crunch.

They're a little bit with green Bay, but that's a nice little pick.

At the, I always thought he was a really good player.

Washington spent a lot of money.

Washington, did they sign a receiver?

To go with, well, they try, they may, well, no, because Debo was there.

Debo's done.

Debo's a free agent.

They got scary Terry.

But then really, that's kind of it.

So they can use a pass catcher.

I mean, come on, you still got sunny styles.

You got to replace it.

I don't know if you bring it back Bobby Wagner.

He's a Walter Payton man of the year.

He can't kick him to the curb.

I mean, he's not, he's an unrestricted though.

He isn't, he is.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

We, we talking about, we talking about, um,

we talking about the Mario Davis, oh, I mean, Bobby Wagner's two years younger.

What about Cincinnati?

Would Cincinnati be in the tackle market?

Now they had mimmed still from first round a couple of years ago.

And then they had Zeus Brown.

Right.

So they probably wouldn't go there.

They, they need defense.

Dude, we've been saying that about my, uh, Cincinnati, for how long they need defense.

Right. So they, they got, they, they signed, who they signed,

Quity Payton, who they signed somebody to, to be a pass wrestler once they lost trade.

Uh, Boy Maffe from Seattle.

Boy Maffe and they had the, the guy from, uh, Texas,

annum, that didn't come to work on time.

Miles Murphy.

Uh, Shamor or something like that.

Oh, Shamor Stewart.

So he got him.

What about Miami?

Would Miami want to fortify that line a little bit?

I mean, I don't think I've got the center.

He's stout, but like,

Miami's a mess all over the place.

Yeah, they, well, see, here's the thing with Miami.

And you know, we should talk about that for a second before we get back.

We still got to go.

Jeremiah loves going somewhere brother.

He's going somewhere.

But the thing with my, uh, Jeremiah love don't go fifth,

or he, he don't go four.

He's not going to go eight and nine because those dudes just pay dudes.

Well, that's what I mean.

So listen to that. He's not going to do it.

Don't be chance in Miami.

There's a chance to straight down a couple of spots then and stay in the top 10

and you could still maybe get love if you're the Giants.

And another pick or two.

But real quick, Miami, here's what I don't get about Miami.

Like they are stripping that thing down, right?

And, and, and, and rightfully so they have to.

They got a, they're in a horrible cap situation right now because of the two of

stuff. Like, and they're, they're tanking.

They are tanking for the purpose of tanking and getting into that quarterback class.

No, no, no, I can't say that they're tanking to get into quarterback class.

They sign Millie Willis.

But I think they think he's really going to be there.

But it's really a two year deal and then for like the 40 million guaranteed.

But how can you be in such bad shape cap wise?

Where you're paying to a like 50 something million dollars to not even be on your team this year.

And yet you're going to give money to a guy who's still so unproven like Millie Willis.

I just don't know what their plan is.

I mean, that, I mean, you got to think both for the both of the administrators are from

from Green Bay.

So they, they, they know where he could be.

And they think that's a calculated guess.

But again, I don't know if it like jives with what the rest of the things they have to do with

that football team or you know what I mean? Like it's just, it's almost like there's no plan.

I mean, they had to strip it down, right?

So they got rid of Mika.

Blasher, they got rid of Ramsey, but got Mika, got rid of Mika, got rid of Tyreek Hill,

that Bradley Church walk away, traded away, uh, Ruzzo.

Jalen Phillips has been gone a couple of years.

Obviously trading him to Philadelphia.

Here, the thing, here's what I would hope.

Well, again, I don't care if the dolphins lose for the next, you know, 50 years.

I'd be okay with it.

But if I was running the show, I would say, here's what you got to do.

You got to become an all-weather football team.

And that's what they're not.

They haven't been that for a while.

So maybe those guys who came from Green Bay, who know what the hell it takes.

Like, you got to be able to win in the elements.

You got to be able to run the football.

You got to be able to dominate the line of scrimmage.

Play tough defense.

They weren't, they weren't a physical team the last few years.

They run games damn physical.

They run game, though, but wasn't it getting those two in space?

No, they got it.

That outfit was physical under, uh, big Daniels.

Like, but wasn't that that, they don't remember that stuff, though?

No, that was Power, Pull, Crack.

Really?

Yeah, man.

They used to, man, they should go at, I remember when they ran the hell out of the ball in the playoffs

against Buffalo in the snow.

But I thought that was all like that shana hand zone blocking scheme stuff,

because that's what McDaniel came from.

It's like, you know, it's like, it's like the shining vape.

But isn't that the same as the window anyways?

No, it's the same tree.

It's a lot of motions and shifts, but man, it's a power downhill gap scheme.

I thought it was just more getting them dudes in space.

But one cut stuff, you know, I mean, because you had speedsters.

Who was, by the way, who was there?

A champ.

You know, a champ, but there, there was another guy.

Why am I blank?

And didn't they have two backs?

It was when, when a champ first, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the old, the old guy that was with the Jets, um,

where he mostered.

Yeah, most, most, uh, he was a good player.

Now he, he was going to end up somewhere now.

I forgot.

No, he, he got picked up somewhere.

But man, no, no, I'm telling you, coming down here, this thing comes down here.

They pull, crack, pull, they do all this motion to get your eyes messed up.

And then they run right at you.

Well, I'll tell you what, guess where that's going to be happen.

And now chargers, listen, because he's out, because that's what, and he's out there now.

What the chargers is the OC and that, and horrible wants to run the ball.

You know that.

Yeah, that's exactly what Harball wants to do.

And you look at Harball, like they went and got the blocking, uh, tight end, uh,

Kohler, made him the highest paid blocking tight end.

You know, he was from the Ravens.

All they do is just replace it.

I replace people because I think he signed, did he sign?

Not Gus Edwards.

He signed another Ravens tail back.

All him in Harball, all they do is just pass each other player.

Keaton Mitchell, right coaches.

Nah, Keaton Mitchell, I don't know if they picked up Keaton Mitchell.

They just, it was, it was the other bag that was a little bigger.

It was just today's, uh, yeah, it was Keaton Mitchell.

Oh, Keaton Mitchell from Baltimore.

Okay.

Well, like that's the, that's the 4 3 40.

All they do is pass each other back.

It's like the express train.

That's what it is.

They just go back and forth with coaches too.

Same, of course, they're going to, and they're going to sign guys that are

familiar with their system that are good system fits.

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Bart, let's say we get into some audio files.

What do you think?

Let's do it.

The audio file.

And the audio files will be handled today by our good friend,

Thomas Joaquin Bauer.

I didn't know my meal name was Joaquin.

But I kind of thought.

Well, Tom, I mean, I'm not your mother,

but you got to pay attention to those things.

You're old enough to know, yes, from now.

It's a fair point.

Also, I haven't checked my birth certificate in a while.

Maybe you can try that.

These were sensitive times.

You need to know where you are and where you're from

where you're about.

I got to know who I am.

Yeah.

What I do know is I am a Nick's fan.

And they kind of give me a little bit of a heart attack last night

in Utah when they were trailing early.

But they found their way in the second half

and was able to come out of Utah with a victory.

You're going to hear a little bit from Mike Brown here on the win.

Really good.

Come back win or a way to find a win on the road,

especially after the two games in L.A.

To be able to find a way like we did tonight.

I applaud our guys.

Yeah, I applaud you too.

But you didn't need a strong effort in the second half.

A lot of guys played the right way in the second half,

including Jalen.

But Clark and Kepa's in the game when we were down.

Definitely help us get over the hump with the performance he had.

And on top of the 27 points, he had five offensive rebounds.

That helps slow their transition game down.

So he was our defensive player to game.

They didn't even play with their main people, though.

That's a crazy part.

And Utah was hitting like, they were shooting

an 85% from three early on in the game.

He was like, what the hell is going on, man?

Like, they were so fired.

And then, of course, it's like when you watch a team

going against Alabama in the first half,

and like, they still close.

And you know, I got a third quarter to get blew out.

Because it's just the depth of talent.

Now, if they were playing with the people that they had before,

that'd be totally different story.

Yeah, they, you know,

Martin sitting on the bench.

Jalen Jackson Jr. sitting on the bench.

Obviously, they need to get fired again.

They need to get fired again.

Well, that's what I mean.

They tell me this is the people that they were talking about.

Hopefully, thank you.

All of a sudden, they just filed it.

Oh, he got someone on his knee.

He got to have surgery sit out for the rest of the year.

Well, that's the thing too about like with the jazz.

Like, there was a million things on last night

that I was watching at the same time.

Like, they had the baseball on, college basketball.

I was watching the epic tennis match from Indian Wells

and then I had the nicks on too.

But like, they were getting run the first half.

And then I thought to myself,

like, once things started to turn in the third quarter,

I'm thinking, was this the nicks actually woke up?

Or was this Utah doing what Utah does?

Remember, like, Utah was sitting there guys

like to start the fourth quarter when they were tanking

because they didn't want to win games.

Yeah, I mean, so was this like Utah

just like mailing a second half in

or did the nicks actually just like wake up?

I think, I think, I think,

you know, I think it has to be that.

You know what I'm saying?

I think it just woke up.

The cold plan around.

Yeah, yeah, and that's why he started

because he hadn't been sitting on a bench.

You know what I'm saying?

And, you know, that's what, you know,

he came out and he gave the effort

because, you know, when you play against a former team,

you go have a sense of motivation.

I thought Mike Brown did a good job

and kind of trying to feature him

and do what he got to do.

And then, I mean, that's important

because remember in the summertime last year,

like, we were talking Jordan Clarkson

is being like a pretty significant acquisition

to help that bench, you know what I mean?

Like a guy who could score.

And he was like a conquering hero there last night

because after the game, like, they, they loved him.

And then, you know, the former players, the coaches,

even the owner came down, like, they,

they loved Jordan Clarkson from the time he spent there.

Yeah, I mean, he was six man a year,

perennially, like, when he was there.

So he's nothing that he did wrong.

It was just time and it next did a good job.

And they're trying to actually actively win now.

I mean, they made the trade a couple of years

go for sessions.

You know, so they got, they got a lot of names.

And let's see if next year they're ready

to put it together, especially if they go get

a highly enough.

Can't you see that we're boozer?

Enough.

Probably Carlos boozer, the old Utah jazz.

And now Cam boozer has done.

We'll see.

Look, I, but, but a night like that from Clark.

Look, I, I get it.

I get it.

I get it.

You have to kind of take it with a grain of salt,

right? Because it's against Utah.

And, but getting him back in the mix in the flow,

knowing that, you know what?

He could come off the bench and he can have a night like

you did last night.

I think that helps them moving forward because, you know,

that he still has an in him.

It's, it look, for as much time he as he is sat

Bart, it's easy for him to just go out there

and not be able to find his shot and use

as an excuse of, well, I'm rusty,

but he didn't have that habit to him.

So good for him.

Yeah, I mean, he's day pro.

You know, usually six, six man,

but a year type candidates are guys that used to

get off the, off the bench and be in an instant office.

And that's what he wants for them.

And he, and now he's basically been like the,

the 10th guy, you know what I mean?

Like the ninth or 10th guy in any given night for them.

You know, he went through a stretch here.

He wasn't even like playing.

And then they got him in some of those garbage time minutes.

And he was like, all right, he scored like, you know,

nine points in 10 minutes or something like that in one of those games.

And now like they've started to trust him a little bit more.

And maybe he will have a role for this team

down the stretch. Who knows?

Hi, Tom.

Max, huh?

That's how you fall asleep?

No, no, no, I'm looking at the list of things

that we could be playing here.

And I'm going through my head.

His researching what his middle name really is.

Oh, that too.

There's a lot going on inside the head of Thomas Bauer right now.

But what I really want to hear right now is Kim Skataboo

because he was on with Rich Eyes in yesterday.

And you know how he and Jackson Dart,

they're kind of like, you know, kind of best friends.

I'm the Giants offense.

We'll see if that's going to change under John Harbaugh.

But Rich asked a good question to Kim Skataboo.

Will you in Dart change the way you play, you know, aggressively?

It's not an option for us.

I mean, I think we both think the same way.

Like if it's fourth and one,

and we got to dive to get it or run through someone's faces,

that's what we do.

I mean, the kid's a dog.

He loves the game.

He wants to get first downs.

He wants to score touchdowns.

And he knows that if it's fourth and one,

or if it's third and eight,

and we need two more yards on running somebody over,

he's going to do that.

Buttons is not an option for us.

Kicking field goes is an option for us.

That's not something we want to do.

Obviously you have to live with those.

But you never know with the two of us,

there's always an opportunity to get those yards.

And sometimes it happens.

And sometimes it don't.

Okay, don't worry.

They brought a king meathead in and record.

And they'll go get somebody with some whole run speed anyway.

You know what I mean?

Like you said, he's not an every down guy.

You know, if he's going to be like the battering ram,

that's cool.

But like, they need to get a home run hitter in here

in the backfield.

And they know that.

Right?

I mean, I'm not making things up.

You can't think that that's scatable.

But they, but they, but they,

they've signed singleton.

Right.

They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,

they need more out of that.

I'm just, yeah, they need singleton.

They need more out of that position.

And that, what they get in from there.

And I notice they'll have Tracy.

Maybe he can be the third down back.

You would think it'd be a former receiver

that he would be a guy that you can throw the ball to.

So negative on Kim scatable.

I, I don't understand all that.

It's almost you got to protect them, Tom.

You know what I mean?

Like, oh, yeah, you got to protect him from himself.

Of course.

Exactly.

And if you use him in the role that's probably best for the team,

it's going to lengthen his career

and really maximize his effectiveness, too.

He's not a guy that's going to be

totem the rock 20 times game.

That's not his, that's not his, you know, skill set.

He's still just as productive as any, I think.

Like that Arizona state anymore.

I don't think he'll stare around here.

I don't think he'll hang around long enough.

I mean, maybe somebody else will find some value in them.

You know, but eventually, they're going to upgrade into position.

He's going to find himself, you know, out of position

because they, they did love what he did with the draws

and stuff like that, but that's going to go to record now.

The quarterback draws and getting him to the edge

and the fake boots and the naked boots.

That's going to be, that's going to be a car kind of running

some counter action after the snap to do stuff like that, you know what I mean?

You want to see how old is Patrick Ricard?

He is, he'll be 32 in May.

Man, full, full box pay to a billion years old.

Yeah, Tony Richardson and Lorenzo Neal, guys like that.

Yeah, Sam Gash.

Sam Gellboy.

Sam Gash.

Larry centers.

Larry centers was great.

Larry centers was a thousand yard receiver coming out of the backfield.

All stop.

All stop became like a feature.

You ever see all stop now?

It's like somebody like this like me.

Yeah, they took a pin and like deflated them.

Like you can't even recognize them.

That's what happened when you get off the cycles.

There you go.

There you go.

You mean like, you mean soul cycle?

Yeah, yeah, soul cycle.

Soul cycle.

Okay, that's what I thought you meant.

Yeah, where's where's where's where's where's our boy at where's our

Cushing?

Let's see.

Let's see a picture of Clay Matthews right now.

Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews.

Well, no, they could take whatever they want now.

No, you can.

Yeah, but he used to be in all season.

They like deflated balloons.

Some guys do it for health reasons, obviously.

You know what I mean?

Like, um, yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Well, no, your guy, um, what's his name?

Fanica.

He had, he had a epilepsy.

Yeah, I don't know if you get more strokes by,

but kind of an absolute as you cut you bigger.

He was a guy that was, uh, he, see,

Fanica was a guy that had to eat and take

supplements to hold on to his weight.

You know, kind of how brick was.

Brick was a guy that was, you know,

280 and they told me he was too small and he had to gain weight.

You know, I'm saying all that type of stuff.

And then, you know, when he retired,

now brick is probably,

brick might be 260, 250, 255.

Brick's small do right now.

But he just looks big because he's like 68.

He's just tall and leaky.

Exactly.

Go ahead, Tom.

All right, one more for you.

Oh, I forgot, Tom, is he still in the top session?

The time.

It's a time vehicle.

Unbelievable.

I, you know, I'm not going to give up on this.

I'm going to give you guys one more cut.

Now, real quickly, quick straw pull.

Do we think Eric DeCosta is going to be absolutely devastated

that he didn't get Max Crosby?

Or do you think he's going to sound a little relieved that, uh,

the guys came up with, uh, he got trade.

He was, he was, he was, he was the go-shaper trade.

They, they, he was the go-shaper trade.

Why he was the go-shaper Crosby?

Dude, they weren't a go-shaper.

Think about putting him together.

They weren't a go- if you believe that.

They weren't negotiating with Trey and, and talking to Trey

while Max Crosby and his wife were in the building.

Yeah, because they probably got the initials like,

oh, you see this dude knee?

They probably, you know, called the other doctors,

broke shit.

Oh, no, but hey, let's get some other pain.

Hey, man, we might need to go to call.

We might have to pivot really quickly.

Because I thought, I thought the backup plan was going to be

they, uh, Bradley Chup.

And he has a trade for, they tried to trade for Bradley Chup last year.

And by the way, you know,

Buffalo, oh, I hate, but listen, Buffalo is the type of people.

Hmm, that you say you need something,

and they go about a generic store brand.

They, they, they won't go get like the,

like, bro, just go get the, go get the good stuff.

Well, they tried.

They couldn't, they couldn't, they couldn't meet his price.

They get, they get to, that's what I'm saying.

Same thing with DJ Moore.

Oh, we need a receiver.

Uh, we'll get you a receiver.

How about DJ Moore?

Like, man, he's available for a reason.

You sound like Chris Rock, when you did that.

You were like, uh, how about DJ Moore?

How about, how about, what are you?

One rib, I sure am hungry.

You know, you know what I'm saying?

Get a chain for a honey,

but you know what I'm saying though?

That's like the crazy part, bro, because like,

why not go for Mike Evans?

Well, yes, well, I would rather have Mike Evans than DJ Moore.

Mike Evans would have had another thousand yard reception,

another thousand yard receiver again.

They got, uh, so, so, so, so, cure, what's his name?

A little secure.

Secure.

They were calling nervous, though,

with how much time Mike Evans missed last year.

And his age, bro, it was his clavicle.

Dude, he made a two injuries.

Yes, but it was his clavicle.

He broke his, in his hamstring.

Okay, that's not the clavicle.

Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, we're not tripping on a pulled hamstring.

It's not a knee.

It's not a kill ease.

That's not, this dude is a thousand yard receiver every year.

DJ, actually, he, he, it's a him and Jerry Rice, right?

Didn't he, uh, tie Jerry Rice, he didn't pass them?

Didn't he, like, 11 straight thousand yard receiving?

Yeah, because he came up short with them by then, right?

He missed seven games, right?

Of course he came up short.

Here's the thing, maybe they were a little reluctant.

I'm just saying as far as like, they didn't think it was a good fit.

Remember, this dude played his like whole career in like warm weather.

And now you're going to want him to go off the buffalo and use it.

He got bad hamstrings and stuff like is he going to be able to stay healthy?

That, that, they were probably talking themselves out of it.

Bro, I'm saying he's got 11 straight 11,

I mean, got 11 straight thousand yards.

He's, I think that he has to be healthy to make a thousand yards every year.

He's going to kill it in San Francisco.

But I'm just saying, but buffalo yesterday,

I think it was, was he yesterday?

In the morning, somebody, somebody reported

that they re renegotiated or re whatever reworked Josh Allen's contract

to free up. I forgot how many millions of dollars.

I'm like, they're up to something.

And then like a couple hours later, Bradley Chubb.

Yeah, but I'll tell you what, like,

what you're going to do when Brandon and I, you could so available.

Isn't he available already?

No, they go, yeah, they cut him last yesterday.

I thought they cut him already.

No, did they, I mean, so many dudes are getting cut.

This dude's been off for two years.

See if he got cut yet.

I think he got released.

RZ of June 2nd.

Oh, he's a June 2nd cut.

Yeah, I haven't cut him yet.

He's a June 2nd cut, I believe.

Do you do your research on that?

And we'll see if Eric DeCosta will release him.

We'll see if Eric DeCosta was ever devastated.

Oh, yeah, we never even heard that.

See, you forgot the town we had already had it already.

It acts as a question.

I don't know.

That's about two minutes a little,

like we about like, for the agency and all that.

No, I'm talking about, no, that's what I'm saying.

He forgot about you.

Dan forgot about you brother.

We're trying to educate the people.

That's all we're doing.

All right, let's go.

Let's hear what Eric DeCosta got.

Let's see what he had to say.

We've got a responsibility.

I've got a responsibility to the Ravens,

to this community, to our fans,

and to Steve Bischotti,

to do what we think is best for the club.

That's what we always try to do.

Every decision we make is based on this idea.

Is this the best thing for the Ravens?

Very, very challenging.

Again, I understand how people might,

maybe from a forward field that way,

but nobody's more upset about this than me.

Got it by it, actually.

A regret, a big regret for me,

but we will move on as a football team.

And I think there's many, many opportunities for us

to grow as a team, to become a better team,

to build the roster,

and to be the team that we want to be.

They said they said that they had a highlight video.

They had all this stuff.

Players there to meet them and stuff.

And say, man, we got you a frontier ticket

to get back out the hell up out of here.

Look, man, he could talk about how he's gutted

and all this stuff all he wants.

At the end of the day,

he searched deep within himself,

and he realized I can't give up two first round picks

to stay in my roster and where it's at right now.

I can't do it.

And he was lucky that he was able to wiggle himself out of this.

No matter how bad it makes them look,

he has to do what was best for the franchise, you know?

I mean, super smart.

Super smart.

It's crazy. I'm looking at it like,

you got Ebeneza,

a still available reader, still available,

DeFi and Diggs.

He had a DCI.

Tell me this, would you rather take SteFi and Diggs

with Dibo sound me right now?

Right now?

SteFi and Diggs.

Okay.

What about Hassan, ready?

No, I'm not touching him, man.

He hasn't played good in two years.

I mean, he was better last year than he was, obviously, two years ago.

He didn't listen to, yeah.

Dallas got it.

Where's that Dallas got her?

He ain't going nowhere.

Crazy.

Yeah, but he's I think that he's going to work his way back to Philly.

No, they might who know?

They might try to at a cheapish kind of deal.

They might try to get to deep.

No, he's only 31.

Yeah, but I can't.

Yeah, but what do they have?

What do they have in house, though?

You know what I saw?

They just signed somebody back.

A matter of fact, they just signed a tight end back.

They didn't sign Zach Hertz back, did they?

Because I saw this like, no, no, no, no.

They might need to talk about bringing Zach Hertz back to Philly.

I'm like, that's what he was going to retire.

That's funny, y'all, y'all got rid of me for this dude

and now, y'all want me to come back to replace this dude.

Dallas and Knox went back to Buffalo.

That's crazy that they keep wasting money on him.

Like, what do you got, King Kay?

How many tight ends are you paying, brother?

It's what the quarterback wants.

You got a, you got a Henry,

Hunter, Henry went back to Atlanta.

I just saw Durham smith went to, um, so I guess you can't,

I guess you can't come home, man.

Go ahead, break them all out of the back.

Put the bear back together, man.

Hey, I mean, you're, you're doing it already with Geno,

Demario, bring, bring your mall back.

Why not? Just, just, just run it back here.

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We've got our high noon coming up as well.

Answer me this question because you're a smart guy.

What is it in Tennessee where you got Rob Salo's the head coach.

You got Brian Dable who's the offensive coordinator.

Why do they continue to keep going back to the well?

Bringing in guys that okay they might have familiarity with

that they coached while they were both head coaches in New York.

But these are also guys that didn't play well enough

because it helped get them fired.

Why do you think they keep bringing as many as they can back to Tennessee?

Simply because you got to have people that you you can trust.

You got to have people that you that you can believe in.

The people that's going to sell your message

if things go bad in the locker room.

You know what I'm saying that's something that you have to do.

Even if you're not winning games though you know what I mean?

Like I hear what you're saying I get it in the ring.

But those are good players your main job is good player right.

Rondelle Robinson is a winning player.

Just because they didn't win there doesn't mean they're not winning players.

But what is one that Robinson won?

I said just in his name.

I said he's a winning player.

Even though he didn't win he's a winning player.

He's a guy that's a high character guy that lived up to the expectations

that knows the system he's going to play at a high level.

He's going to know how to sit down in his own.

He's going to be somebody that's going to make cam war right.

You know court like the cordel flots of the world and then and then

shlotman and I mean you saw a solid traded for our boy Solomon Thomas last night too.

And that's not that's crazy work because he gets thrown off the ball.

You trading for him.

High character guy that guy that's going to run and play hard.

But usually his guy that was just physically a mismatch because he's not a detackle.

He should be playing DN.

And think about it he you know he's he's almost he's almost too big for DN

depending on the system he's in.

He's not big enough for defensive tackle.

It's like he's miscast and it was like he was like that here.

You know and think about that was a guy who was number three overall

picking the draft as a defensive end.

But they just keep they can't quit each other.

You know what I mean like they just they they can't quit each other.

I mean we're friends like solid man.

I mean just think how many we're we're with Solomon Thomas B.

If it wasn't for Joe's if it wasn't for Robert Salah.

Where could he be right what where would he go right now right?

He would probably unemployed you know what I mean?

Like Dallas only he only got signed with Dallas because Dallas needed so bad.

They need him so did he have one or two years with Dallas one.

One and and remember he and that's because they have anybody just needed bodies.

And you remember they had Aaron White cotton there as the defensive line coach who he knew

from the jet so he at least had that link for example and that's what it is.

You know what I mean look I the JFM thing I understand I get it like you know you

want to give him big money fine I know that when he got the big contract here his production

dipped a little bit but he went to Denver and proved himself and he and he still went out there

and had a couple of good seasons. I I understand that but like I said a lot of these other moves you're

like wow you know like I get I totally understand the familiarity thing.

It's just a lot of money they're throwing at these guys.

You know what I'm saying?

I mean with the salary cap going up everybody's getting paid.

Crap little money man like say do born too early and that's why it

been born too early and that's why you got to dive into the details of these contracts

right like and see what the guaranteed money how is the salary and the contract structure

because that's really the end all deal.

I mean you see you know 120 million dollars like some dudes not going to see 120 million

dollars most of them don't see the entirety of the contract they get what's coming to them

in terms of guarantees where it's only maybe like 40 out of that 120.

Yeah yeah if it's front loaded in language stuff like that but you know they it's

be interesting we you know we have two two New York coaches let's see together they can

get a winning record take their four wins and their four wins and put it together.

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