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Tim Bond, Tim's senior NBA writer for ESPN.

You hear him all the time with Brian Winhorse and Tim McMan

on the hoop collective podcast, which is just...

If you want to get smarter about the NBA,

it's the best way to do it.

And these guys are fantastic each and every week,

a couple of times a week.

Tim, it's Carlin, it's Bart.

How you doing, man?

Doing great, fellas. How are you guys doing?

We're doing great with this getting ready to get started.

Finally, finally, we have reached the playoffs this year.

Real games, baby. Real games.

Everybody's right. How about that?

Let's go.

I tell you, these play-in games have been excellent.

I mean, Mellow Ball, I think he's a Mark Man.

I mean, you talk about the intensity.

I mean, the regular playoffs is as good as the players.

Man, we have for a treat.

It's been awesome.

And the only soapbox thing I will say

is that I have been banging the drum for two months now

that the NBA needs to incentivize winning

down the stretch of the regular season.

And the best argument for that is those four games

on Tuesday and Wednesday night,

were even the worst game.

Game I was at, Sixers Magic Game,

was a super fun competitive game

that went down to the final couple of minutes, right?

And like, all those games were intense and fun

and like, imagine that.

When you have both teams fully going

in the direction of trying to win

with the current NBA product, it's pretty awesome.

So hopefully whatever they do leans into that.

Yeah, it was almost a shock to the system

to go from how bad it was for the last month

to go to that, and I'm like, oh my God.

Holy cow, I forgot it can be really good.

It was awesome.

It was really awesome.

So yeah, hopefully they,

hopefully they keep that in mind

when they make the changes they're going to make.

All right, well, as you can imagine,

we're spending a lot of time on the Knicks here

and in the big picture,

but let's focus on this series to begin with.

Is this a matchup that should concern the Knicks at all

when you look at what the other possibilities were?

They had obviously handled Toronto very well this year.

How do you feel about this individual matchup

against Atlanta?

I mean, look, it should certainly concern them more

than Toronto, just because, I mean, look,

I think Toronto's pretty good, and as a neutral,

I was happy that it landed with the Knicks play in the Hawks

and the Raptors play in the Cavs,

because for whatever reason,

the Knicks have just dominated the Raptors

for a couple of years now,

almost a matter of what iteration of the Raptors showed up.

So I don't think that would have been a very competitive series.

I think half the Raptors has a chance

to be pretty competitive,

but I think this one does, too.

There are real structural advantages for the Knicks.

There are the three seed for a reason.

The Hawks are very small inside,

especially with Jacque Landel,

they're back up center,

out with a high ankle sprain after a pretty dirty play

by Goga Potasi from the Magic Cup a couple of weeks ago.

So this is, to me, a series where,

if Paul Towns and Mr. Robinson can dominate the paint,

and his towns in particular can play really well,

because you know Mitch is gonna come in

to get his rebounds like he always does.

It's gonna be very difficult for Atlanta to win the series,

and I think where things could get interesting

is if Paul gets out of sorts,

or if Atlanta's able to limit him at all,

if that's the case, then maybe this gets interesting.

But that, to me, is the real pivot point of the series.

If the Knicks can dominate the paint,

if Carl Towns and Mr. Robinson play healthy and play well,

I think the Knicks have a real big advantage

because of the hawks' lacquer size inside.

I think we thought that OG would be the guy,

just when you look at Jaylen Johnson at 6'8,

you think about OG, his size, his defense of prowlers,

or you think about maybe bridges,

if you wanna put somebody a little smaller,

but somebody that can stand front of him.

But the same like in the last matchup,

that Josh Hart was almost the Jaylen Johnson stopper.

Is that the most intriguing matchup?

And how big is that matchup?

Is it the size, the winner of this series?

I mean, it is gonna be interesting to see

sort of how the Knicks decide to deploy their forces.

The hawks are a weird team.

They're not that big.

Guys and Daniels is like a 6'7, 6'8 guy.

It doesn't really shoot.

So teams tend to guard him with a center.

Then they've got all these big, long, rangel wings.

Right, they've got to kill us into Walker's

having a phenomenal year.

I just am submitting my ballot right now, Jaylen Johnson.

Second team OMB-A, he had a great year.

Like you said,

CJ McCollum has shown up and done a really nice job.

And Yaka Kongulu has gotten a lot better.

He's a really good shooter.

So they can attack you in a lot of different ways.

And I think it's more just the matter of how

the Knicks choose to defend them.

Like do they wanna just put OG on Jaylen

and try to lock him up and give him a hard time?

Do they wanna say put Josh Hart on him

and have OG be more of a Roma

and to try to help break up some different plays

and do different stuff?

It'll be interesting to see what the Knicks

decide to do there.

But to me, the series is more gonna come down to,

like the Hawks are gonna struggle in the half court.

So it's gonna be, can the Hawks get out and run?

Can Hawks get easy baskets?

And can the Knicks control the tempo in the paint

and dominate inside?

Like more than individual matchups,

I think it's gonna be that.

And the Knicks don't wanna play fast.

They don't wanna run.

They're not the most athletic team

in terms of getting up and down.

The Hawks wanna fly up and down.

They're not a good half court team.

So rather than a one on one matchup,

I think the biggest challenge

from a matchup standpoint to watch is

which team can control the pace?

Whichever one does,

it's probably gonna be the one that's

the control of the series.

Tim Bontem, senior NBA writer for ESPN,

joining us right now on the Knicks Hawks series.

What has been your take on the criticism of Cat this year

from inconsistencies, a tough word to use.

But when you see those nights where he has

single digit shots,

it feels like it's an appropriate word to use.

Well, the Knicks have been a pretty

pretty consistent team all season really, right?

Like they have not necessarily lived up

to the expectations that were placed upon him.

And it's been, it's kind of a funny season.

And Bart, you live through this as a player too.

For a team like this where the expectations are

to win a title or at minimum,

I think at minimum to make the finals, right?

If that's the expectation,

you have to sort of slog through the regular season

and the Knicks felt like they were slogging

through the regular season.

And you know, this is a huge playoffs for all these guys,

for Carl Towns, for Jalen Brudson,

for the rest of the Knicks for Mike Brown obviously.

And you know, like again, to your point, Chris Carl,

Carl is a guy who has been a consistent.

He shouldn't be inconsistent in this series.

He should wreck Atlanta inside.

And if he can do that consistently in this series,

the Knicks, it's hard for me to see

barring catastrophic injury, how the Knicks don't advance.

So, you know, the challenge I would say is for him to deliver

and show up on a basis and if he does,

we're probably talking about Knicks Celtics

in a couple of weeks and we'll see what happens then.

To answer your question to him,

I have been there with the three FG championships in the role

and what happens is you know that you're not even

going to be judged until you get into playoffs

and what you're doing to play off.

So, the regular season is irrelevant

because nobody cares, it's expected.

So, when it's expected, you have nothing to push towards.

But I want to talk about, it seems like the Knicks

the Knicks discovered fire or the will,

which is the most basic thing in the world.

When they talk about this high-picking role

with Jalen Brunson, I know throughout the year,

we talked about cat not really knowing his role

and what the offense was around him.

That's why he started crashing the boards as a byproduct.

How effective is this picking rolling?

Could this really cause some problems

and why did it take so damn long if it does?

Well, why did it take so damn long

as the story of a lot of things maybe with the Knicks?

But look, this is part of what I was just talking about too, right?

Like the Knicks have just felt a little off all year, right?

It just hasn't quite felt like it's clicking.

And I do think one of the, I do think one of the big things

in the last couple of weeks was what you're talking about,

Bart, that we finally saw the Jalen Brunson, Carl Towns,

combination really start to do some stuff.

Like the two highest scoring games

those two guys had together of the season

were last week against Atlanta

and last week against Boston, right?

In terms of running actions together

and creating points out of it.

Like that is I think a good sign going into the playoffs

that do you think it's an open question

of why weren't you doing more of that sooner?

But you know, again, that's why this thick season has been

so interesting like they've been kind of funky

and they haven't quite clicked

and you know, I think it's kind of a disappointing

regular season despite winning 53 games.

But if they make the finals, it doesn't matter, right?

Seasons of roaring success, if they somehow lose this series,

if they lose to Boston, it's a pretty huge failure.

So it all was always going to boil down to what happened

over the next six weeks and now we're here

and we'll see if the Knicks are ready for it

or if the inconsistencies and the ups and downs

of the regular season were more a symptom of boredom

and trying to get to the playoffs

or a symptom of underlying problems

that'll come back to Hanum now.

Tim Bond temps with the senior writer,

senior NBA writer for ESPN

and of course a big part of the hoop collective podcast

with Brian Windhorst and Tim McMahon.

Along those lines, I would argue a little bit more

and have been arguing that the expectations for me at least

have somewhat changed from where at the beginning of the year

we thought this might be a little bit easier

of an Eastern conference to contend with versus

what the pistons have turned out to be

and how Pajel and Brown basically didn't let the Celtics tank

and now they ended up in the two-seed.

Is it fair to say that the expectations

of what the Knicks should do this year have changed

either because of what you just talked about

or because of everybody else with Boston and with Detroit?

Here's what I'll say about the Knicks expectations.

In January, James Dolan gave a radio interview

and said the Knicks have to make the finals and should win.

So if that is what the owner is saying,

that's what the expectations are, right?

Like whether that's fair or not

or whether the Celtics have played well

and the pistons have played well, et cetera.

I think that is where you have to, if you're the Knicks or if you're a Knicks fan,

look, you have to expect where this is going to go.

And again, that's part of why this is such a fascinating season

because I grew with you.

I don't think the Knicks are making the finals.

I think the Knicks are probably going to lose

to the Celtics in the second round.

If it goes the way I expect to, I also thought that last year

and it beat the Celtics in the second round.

So no, but like that doesn't change what the expectations are

and it doesn't change the fact that they fired top-dimensional

after last season to try to go farther.

And that is what all of this is what makes this so interesting

because after months and months and months of waiting,

the verdict is going to come in on this season over the next four to six weeks.

And it's, you know, the expectations have been set whether it's fair or not

and we will see where it lands.

Now let's just say you are Nostradamus.

What is the, what's the fallout of that?

Are we saying that maybe Kat and Bridges are playing for their Knicks career

because we know that it's a geek freak out there somewhere

that are probably looking for a new home

and has Bridges played well enough to even be an asset

that other teams would even want?

Well, I mean, look, I'm not going to really get too far down the rabbit hole

of fake trades.

All I will say is that the Knicks are pretty pot committed to this team.

They don't have many trade assets.

They don't have, they don't have, they don't have, the guys that they do have the trade

are all in big contracts in the new CDA that's very hard to move big contracts around.

So is there a chance things could change?

Sure, of course, they find their culture to make it the conference finals.

I would say there's certainly a possibility things will change.

But I think it's just, I think we have to wait and see how all of this plays out

and how it looks.

And, you know, if it's a, if it's a seven game series like the Raptor's six or series

back in the day and somebody hits a shot at the buzzer a game seven

and the Knicks lose, that probably feels one way.

If the Knicks lose in four or five games, it probably feels another way, right?

So I think we waited all this time to see how this is going to go

and what the verdict of the season is going to be.

I'm just going to wait and see what we actually see on the court

and then we can react to where things will go,

depending on those results when we see them.

Fair enough.

Tim, we'll get more into, you know, the individual series and such

down the line as the playoffs go along.

But just last one for me is you look at the East and the West.

Give me the team right now that's in the top three.

I won't even say a four or five because that's not even really a big upset.

Top three's team in either conference that should have the most

concerned about getting picked off before the conference finals.

I mean, I don't really think there's anybody in the East.

I guess I would say the Knicks just by default if you're saying the top three

because I do think Atlanta's an interesting match up.

And it will be interesting to see what happens if, you know,

let's say the Knicks lose tomorrow, right?

I think you guys all know what the tenor is going to be around here

if the Knicks lose that game.

So I think the Knicks are one in that series.

I think it's probably going to be six games.

I think it's, I would lean maybe more likely to be five than seven,

but I mean, I could even see a cone seven,

but I think the Knicks should win.

At West, the one that stands out to me is Denver Minnesota.

Denver was pretty clearly trying not to play Minnesota in the first round.

They have not matched up very well with Minnesota in the past.

We'll see how he, if the Edwards knee is,

he's had knee issues over the last couple of weeks,

but if he's healthy, they've got Rita Gobern to throw on Yokec.

They got some big wings that could give Denver some problems

and Denver's had a lot of age issues this year.

So I think Minnesota's a really live team in that three, six.

So I think that's the, those two, three, six years are probably the ones

where there's at least some intrigue.

And I think if you're asking me to pick one potential upset in the first round,

the only one I'm really strongly thinking about is,

is Minnesota over Denver in the three, six out West.

How exciting is this Pistons and Charlotte Hornets going to be?

Because it seems like these Charlotte Hornets are that team,

like Memphis was a couple years where they can be very annoying,

but they can be very exciting, a couple of weeks ago,

you know, the mellow ball has kind of done some questionable stuff.

We know he did it to buy him out of buy you,

but a couple of weeks ago, he grabs two beef's arm, yanked it,

got to rebound, shot the three,

point down, I'm told him to shut the F up.

And, you know, Jaylen Durin decided not to shake hands

with them leaving the court.

Is that the most exciting one?

Is that the one where we potentially can see a scrap?

Because last time, you know, they got it in the scrap before.

Is it the most exciting first round matchup?

Well, Bart, you have just written out the Orlando Magic

out of the universe because they still play a home game tonight

against Charlotte.

Orlando don't want to smoke.

However, well, listen, listen, I was going to say,

you know, who's trying to write themselves out of the universe,

the Orlando Magic, because I saw them on Wednesday,

I saw them on Sunday and Boston when they lost to the C team.

So yes, I, it would be much better for the neutral viewers,

which we both are, for the Piston Sporting Series to happen.

And yes, I think that's got a chance to be an incredible series

because Charlotte is a complete looney to the team.

They play wild games.

They're a young, aggressive, super fast place pace playing team.

We saw the entire Lamellaball experience

in that game on Tuesday night,

horrific defensive plays.

Obviously, the, the play should have been ejected with BAM,

also incredible offensive excellence.

It's the game winning shot after making two

completely inexcusable decisions.

Right before that, that, as he said,

almost asked up the game for his team.

Like, it was the entire Lamellaball thing.

And the hornets in the playoffs would be great.

You mentioned the fight back in March.

The Piston's really don't like Charlotte.

Charlotte really doesn't like Detroit.

That would be a lot of fun to watch.

So certainly from a neutral perspective,

it will be very fun if the hornets win that game tonight.

And I also would say from a neutral perspective,

frankly, from our bosses perspective,

it would probably be pretty fun if the Warriors

can summon it one more time and beat Phoenix tonight too.

But I am not sure they're going to be able to have the energy

to come back 48 hours later after that game on Wednesday

and get another winning against the suns.

Well, from a Nick perspective,

you hope that that Charlotte thing gets nasty

and it really takes him to seven

so that they can kind of wear the Piston's down

a little bit on a road to the Nick's

get into the Eastern Conference finals.

All right, you got a lot to worry about

before you made him play Detroit the month.

That's not a step at a time, man.

No, not a step at a time.

They've already looking past Balson

and saying they ready for the Detroit smoke.

As he started the show,

all positive about the Nick's team

and his true colors as a Piston spanner coming through.

It's amazing.

Hey, listen, man, you're the best.

We appreciate you popping on as always.

It's a busy time.

Thank you.

No, anytime, guys, love it and have a great weekend

and we'll talk again soon.

Tim Bontemps, ESPN, senior NBA writer,

the hoop collective podcast.

I can't say enough about it with him, windy and Tim McMahon,

just how much smarter about basketball

you can get by listening to it.

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got to come safe.

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Let him beat him, but then I said I don't know next year. He wanted more money

They took it. They took the belt away and give it to slaughter

Well, he could he couldn't carry you because he can carry it

He could he couldn't really handle a promo and like his moves was limited

It was a guerrilla press. It was like

I would put him in the same vein as like Goldberg wasn't a good wrestler

Right, it's like guys that they did try to put over Lex Luger was okay wrestler

You know, I'm saying like they put a Lex Luger over because his body was so amazing

You know, I mean if you want to go with best for Zeeks

I guess he'll he would be right there big pop of puffing came back

He had to deform chest, but you know, here's the double bicep was dope. You know, I'm saying

Tony Atlas Tony Atlas

And those guys were at the height of the steroids. Yeah, Tony Atlas and

Rocky, my via his dad

Yep, Rocky Johnson. Yeah, beautiful bodies man. You know, I'm saying all right. Let's hit it little sideline to sideline with Tom Bauer

Two sideline

Alrighty, Tom

Let's go. All right, so gentlemen

We're gonna start out with some giants in the latest on Dexter Lawrence after Jordan run on graciously

Joint our program yesterday shirtless

Just a few moments after that Paul Schwartz of the New York Post also reported something that Jordan speculated yesterday

And Schwartz said Dexter learns his time with the giants is over

That's what he feels like in his article

So maybe some reshaping of the line if nothing new can happen with Dexter Lawrence here

Between now and draft day. So Bart, here's my theory on this, okay

That Paul Schwartz yesterday in the post had an article from the giants before this

That was basically saying the giants were not receiving a ton of calls on Dexter Lawrence

I wonder if that was the giants wanting to try to get that out there to show Dexter. Hey your best option

Maybe to be here and not to go say what they would as ball out

And so my theory is

Dexter and his agent probably looked at that and got ticked off

Like don't try to embarrass us too. Now we're done. What do you think?

Yeah, I think that's you know, you talk about the game

Absolutely. See, but that's why the relationships with your local reporters are important

Because you need people to be able to like to kind of push some of the narratives and the messages that you need

That's why you have to work those relationships

You know, yeah, like post not push it

Post not pushing a narrative for either for anybody because he's also getting it from both sides

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He could be again. He's used as a tool and

And that's that's that's that's that's the crazy part that's the relationship that you have to have

Right, you have to have that relation. Hey, man. You know, yeah, you what's going on? Yeah, it might not be too bad if you say this

You know, man, this is where the and then you tell man, let me tell you some

The fact that the jets aren't

Cancer the trip with barely you don't think that was strategic

All right, so all this all this stuff around like the draft and

Report to all that stuff. Man, it's all strategic. Sometimes you just leak stuff or sometimes you tell somebody that you know as a leaker

You know, I mean even within the organization you tell them some because you know they gonna get it out there and

Well, you know

You got to do what you got to do some time, but you know I'm saying

That's like the game. There's so much gamesmanship going on right now. All right. Well, Tom was gonna mention this about Bailey

um, I don't think that's any big deal at all. I don't think that means anything

About whether or not the jets are gonna draft to me. You want to say it's a smoke screen. Okay, but what I would say about it is that

A lot of times these visits that play that teams have with players is because they still have questions about the player

But when when a lot of times you'll guy get guys who don't visit and it's because the team knows everything

They need to know and I think at this point that might be the case with Bailey

Yeah, cuz that's what happens sometimes they're like man, listen

Like we don't know what like you you drive me you ain't talking to me the whole time like

Yeah, why don't we didn't need to yeah, we knew what you were

Yeah, we wanted you. Yeah, we need to buy still and nothing there

Next well while while you mentioned David Bailey. I'll get back to the giants in a second here

I just saw this on Twitter and I was kind of amused by Rich Semini

He asked jets fans yesterday who the team should pick at number two

There are 999 votes on the poll and here are the results the options David Bailey Jeremiah love our valrese and sunny styles

Overwhelmingly at 70.1% of the vote

Fan said they would you they should pick our valrese

David Bailey coming in second in that poll 17.7% then Jeremiah love and sunny styles

In third and fourth place respectively. They don't know what they're talking about. They're going on

Listen, listen. He didn't even have the best workout. He's probably the third best defensive player on their team

Caleb down sunny styles because of what he brings to you allowing

Your you have a linebackers to play fast because he's going to call the place. He's going to make the adjustments

That's all skill sets and you know sunny styles like I act like I acts

JST other day. Why are we talking about sunny styles about being able to go up and rush off the edge

He's bigger than Reese stronger than Reese

Fashion and Reese more explosive than Reese with the with the ridiculous

Vertical why aren't we asking these courses about sunny styles? That's why I think so yeah, I'll give you a couple sunny styles quotes. All right

Uh

First one, I'll give you sunny styles

More freakishly athletic guy. I've never seen a guy that big move that fast. He's a giant

Say what he is, but he's taller and he's but the same hide his Reese is slightly bigger than Reese

Yeah, so what do we talk about this with this was an offensive coach who had to prepare for styles last year. I talked to you yesterday. Okay

Mm-hmm

He looks like an edge rusher, but moves like a defensive back because he plays safety

That's the crazy part when you want to have that skill set. Yep, and that's a crazy part the crazy and you know

He can handle the mental game because it takes a lot to be able to call the plays especially in college

You know how high state where you got uh pencil popper, you know

I'm saying sitting there with the with the pro with the pro style game Patricia with the pro type of

Defense so you know he can make all all the all the adjustments in the cuts

He can handle the mental aspect what happens with young players is they don't know what they're doing

They can't handle the mental aspects so they move slowly

So you're like, why does guy running as fast? Why ain't it explosive because he's thinking too much

I don't think you have to worry about that for sunny style. That's why he's a legitimate

Uh

Pick for me

When you think about the new york football giants next

All right back to the new york football giants. I found this one on um the fourth in south podcast

I got to give attribution to here. They had zay flowers on that's the uh

Jarvis Landry and Leonard for net vehicle by the way fourth in south. Uh, zay

New uniforms yesterday reveal about a raid. I saw that crazy work

Thank good. Thank you for them. Uh, zay flowers

He liked to uh complain about John Harbaugh a little bit in his interview with the guys and he

Specifically mentioned their practices in Baltimore. Here's the quote from zay flowers

Full pads all the time. Yep. However many practices and pads you can get every single one

We're doing one-on-ones week 17 low-key

That's why we had a lot of injuries because of how we practiced

So just so you know Harbaugh comes from the anti-read school of uh of training

Uh, I can remember his first year there of the Ravens

We had a revolt like um

We stood up and he was like uh, okay, so we're sitting in there

And uh

We like bro, we gonna say something to do. Just do tripping. He he trying to kill us out here, right?

So we go up and like everybody waiting for Ray to say something because we've been

Raven sitting on the uh on the front porch bitching all day with everybody around and you know like we said

We used to stay at West Ministers where we had like a rocking chair with guys with a whole court in between practices

And like are you gonna say something? So we look up so Harbaugh was like hey we we got anything left else

And everybody look around wait for Ray to go a rant snuck out to the bathroom. We like this mother, right?

We like this mother right so

So so so so like

Troy Smith look up and Troy Smith has never been afraid to say nothing now

He's supposed to be the starting quarterback because flakos got drafted, but he's supposed to be starting quarterback

So he stood up. He said coach

We tied man

Like bro, we need a break

Like he said so he here's Harbaugh you just couldn't wait could you you just couldn't wait

He said Rex, what are we gonna do tomorrow? It's gonna give you day off

He's like you just couldn't wait and then every is like I saw the young dude out there by himself

He like look man coach. We grown as men dog

Like now we know what we need but you know blah blah blah. So he's like so he storms out right

And like like every yeah Harbaugh like we are because he gets into every to the whole

Bro, you've been tripping dog tall. He said give me your legs and I'll give him back

We like bro, you don't know me like that. How can you can't take my legs and give him back?

Like bro, you know, I hear work working. It's like the damn Johnson boys. You know, I'm saying

So and listen we yeah because they call Brian billis camp

Camp cream puff right right so like he come in junction boys

So he almost had a revolt and so we get in there right and this I swear to god

This is Rex introducing plays now Rex is one of the most like

Vibrant live guy like we just had a baby mutiny we we we all pissed off we break up to office defense

This is Rex

Introducing defense he had to hit the board with the clicker

reduce 63 power

We like man get you at because you know because he used to he's the coach with Harbaugh

We like man get you ass out of here with this week stuff now, but suddenly you low energy

So then race stands up right the dude that ducked out of the bath on the dude that started the whole jump

He gonna save if I gotta stand up here and hear my freaking deep into coordinate do this

We got it. Yeah, I say man if you you been the biggest one out here bitching about this and you gonna sit up there

Run like a little punk this dude stayed in the bathroom. He never came back

This dude was in a bathroom, but 10 minutes 15 minutes. I say man come on dog

Come on, man. That's amazing. So when Zay's talking about that if he's still pulling that off

He started his his his career with the ravens with a baby mutiny and training camp. He's about to get the balls put on him

He do set the fire and then run

bro

bro

We like you know we like you know we're right we are we all turned around look for like we go

Ah, this is like he like anything goes because I'm right for me. I respect right

For doing that bro you rain Lewis at this point bro. Yeah, you you defensive MVP Super Bowl MVP this ain't young Ray

I'm there at this point raising year seven. He's the highest paid lineback and he sold us out bro

That's amazing and then I like he had no idea what we was talking about

He like what happened? Hey, hold up bro. You ain't you went to the bathroom didn't come out and notice what nobody in the damn room

Wow, that's he was sitting in the defense room. I say this dude man

That's why big up to a re bro a re stood up and he protected Troy Smith

Because Troy Smith just stood up because we have been talking about like bro

Do's about to walk off like man, whatever

I'm out

Like just do set tripping I ain't practicing tomorrow

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wrestler theme song

rabbit hole oh man like man apparently there was like a couple of the same people that

Derringer apparently booked or wrote a lot of their

The different theme song including demolition

Demolition was cool, but man like nothing hit harder. I mean the ultimate world things to hit done

Because you never know when it was coming, but man

Whoa

Yep, yep, Legion of doom. Oh, man, they couldn't be called the road warrior. It's always bothered me dead

I was stupid. Yeah, they should it you know, it was it was a WCW thing at the time. I think but like

And hold it on to hold it. You got what they are say what you want, though, man

Hogan with the I am a real American man. That had kids crime and that was almost yeah

I am like at one point Hogan was probably

Top five most popular people in in America as far as sports entertainment now

He was right there with the biggest boxer the biggest wrestler. I mean you talk about the I ain't talking about paradise tropical paradise

So whatever the hell that stuff was he was doing

But tropic paradise. Yeah, tropic

What

Yeah, with Bruce Barber beef cake and Jimmy Hart like like come on

The fact that that thing ran as long as it did bro

Like that thing got model season that run more than the season and he's walking around and knows damn tights bro

Like what are we doing with the fatty pack in the front new we said that that was ever cool

No, he got no, but pills and how many episodes of what was it called thunder in paradise?

It the thing is it was a whole hour show bro

It wasn't even like no, but it was a it was basically he was trying to make it his own Baywatch

Yes, it bakes it was Baywatch

Yeah, and he and he was David Hasselhoff with the longest torso stomach like how you have as your stomach come out man

The steroids are starting to mess up your organs and push your stomach out. Okay. If I had to ask you

If you had to guess yep, how many episodes did they make of thunder in paradise?

Well, I don't know how many episodes in a year, but I would say they went like four seasons three and a half before they got canceled

one year one year

One yet get out of here started with a pilot movie a direct a video feature film

And they did 22 episodes and that's it wow and it was by the creators of Baywatch

We're what they didn't what about the creators of no whole of no holes bars

Ha ha ha

I was at the I was at the summer slam where he and beef soups on savage and Zeus yep

Zeus had no speaking lines like bro. No, all we could do was slam himself against the chest

The fact that I wonder was that a real unabrah

Because I'll never remember ever had to be drawn on right? Yeah, cuz I'll never remember him having it

He's a like he look like a brown skin Anthony Davis

I don't play pull up Anthony Davis when he had to do it. Well, he's still got the unabrah pull up our guy next

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