Hour 2: Zac Jackson: Deshaun Watson Has Nothing to Challenge NFL Defenses

0:00What we see tailing green in this game on Sunday. How long will we see Deshaun Watts to start for this football team for the Cleveland Browns? Zach Jackson is going to answer these questions and more. Will Shadour Sanders make that to Shadour Watts and actually remember to go out for the coin toss, unlike Shadour Sanders? Will he be able to pull that off as the captain this week? Let's bring in Zach Jackson. He's on the wise heart right. We make a right coca right. Not lying, he's from the athletic fall month, Twitter out at Akron Jackson. Hello Zach. Good morning gentlemen. What are we talking about today? We're talking about the Browns. To well, I don't know. We just got into a whole fight about the major league baseball schedule, but I don't think you care about that. How long do you see Deshaun Watts and actually starting for the Browns this year? I put the over under a 10 and a half quarters. So now if he makes it to the over, then he probably makes it through the first month because it'd be hard on that short week. But I just don't know what anybody sees in this.

1:03And I don't know anybody outside the building that sees what they see. I mean, we've seen this guy play. We know what it looks like. You hear the coach say body of work and we know his body of work. So how two years later, could it be any better? Well, you had me at first where you said 10 and a half on a thought games and then you said quarter is what that's. I got to say minutes. That's the Zach we love. It's minutes. Yeah, I imagine it's got to be a quick hook. I mean, that game against Buffalo and we did have a couple of callers going, well, he's playing with third teamers. Yeah, he's playing against third teamers. And he's supposed to be a franchise guy. Like I'm sorry, if you drop Tom Brady in there at 30 years old against a bunch of third teamers, he probably would have pieced up a bunch of third teamers. Yeah, that's a tough one. And we know the circumstances that day and he clearly came out and admitted he wasn't right. But how is that different than way back that day and into 2022 and Houston and Kansas defense.

2:04He had to come out and say just forget that one. There was so much going on. It was nearly within his own head. It didn't happen. Well, what followed that bad play? Bad play. Yeah. Well, then I guess we can just close the book on him. Well, no, honestly. So what happens? What would they do? All right, say he goes out there. Like I got I got to prepare for the worst first when it comes to him. And then we can try to be more positive with some others. Like say he only makes it eight quarters and he gets made the backup. Do they come to some sort of an agreement with him or something like that? And we never see him again. Or is he just stayed the backup and we move on about the season? Yeah, I mean, you would think logic would dictate it when he's out. He's out, right? Because he shouldn't be in the future plan. I don't know what's hard to get into hypotheticals. And honestly, both in fairness and in reality, like it's hard to get into hypotheticals here. There wasn't a day that this offense in an open practice had everybody and was going. Right? They had one time for two hours against Buffalo starters.

3:07It's a new coach that the juice comes from the new receivers who we know are talented. And we haven't seen them go against NFL ones and we haven't seen them get skimmed against. But they can play. They can help this guy. Harold Fanon, he can really help this guy. So, you know, let's see how it goes. I just, I think there's a real ceiling on it. And then you wonder how he mentally reacts to the very first thing that goes wrong. And so I expect the game plan that keeps him out of harm's way as much as possible for as long as possible. But how does he react and how does the team react to the first thing that goes wrong? I mean, they are, they're nine point underdogs this week and six and a half point underdogs next week. Right? NFL standards, that's pretty strong. They're not expected to perform well. And if they don't, you know, we know what could be coming. We don't know how it's going to go. But we haven't seen any of this and goofy things happen. And early in NFL season, we saw that just last year. We see that every year, right? So I'm a little bit open-minded and not making firm predictions.

4:11But I just, there's nothing that I've seen for the last six weeks or for four years. He tells me that this has any hope. Well, Zach, we did kind of catch win towards the end of the available practices for media that the RPO stuff was a little more of an emphasis. You weren't going to really do that with Shedore. It's comical because he's not even fast anymore. He doesn't have one skill that challenges NFL defenses. But yeah, you're right. That's probably what they're going to do. And really tied hinted throughout the whole spring that experience and mobility had given lots in the edge. He outright said that a couple of times. He danced around it a few other times. So we probably are going to see that. But that to me is just comical. Well, that's what I'm asking. The way that you see teams, especially first quarter of the year, we saw, you know, Daniel Jones and what Indy was able to do. Can you, can you gimmick things up to an extent? Because the fight thing is the minute you got to Sean Watson, even before the injuries ravaged

5:11him in the surgeries. They weren't really instituting a lot of that stuff that I thought at times, you know, he was able to get out and move and used it. And that just didn't seem to be a part of the part of the offensive format with Kevin Stofanski. So it seemed like Todd thought even post surgery, they maybe we can do some of that. Yeah. I mean, Ken Dorsey had him coming in thrown sideways passes, right? It didn't work. Now they didn't have judge against. They didn't have fan and they didn't. So yes, in theory. But to your point, remember that game in Jacksonville two years ago, they scored in the first drive he ran it in. Normally touched on, they got the rest of the game. One zero. Damn it. So yeah, no, like I said, I expect judge, Kim's and Kinsepsi own to get a bunch of touches. I do think when I think about the Sean's body of work from the summer, I think he had success finding Harold Fanon over the middle and Harold Fanon was limited through camp

6:13to have him ready for this. In the joint practice, it did throw two passes down the field for big completions now. And all the other practices, there were two more, but there was two that day and that was the most important and most competitive setting. So maybe, but I just I don't hold out a lot of optimism. Zach, Baker may feel just signed that extension yesterday. There's been a lot of revisionist history over the last four going on five years of Baker may field. What was your, do you remember your original thoughts back in 20? I remember we had you on the day after that Pittsburgh game at night. Well, I told you he was never going to be in the building. Yeah. And so it's just said and damn it, you were right. You were right about that one. I mean, what, how would you handle? Do you remember what you said and do you think that you would change how you would handle it if you said it any different than how it went or what do you got? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think both sides have regrets, but I think it got toxic, guys. And I think two things happen. I think the Browns correctly judged that Baker may feel was never going to be that a list, put a franchise on its back and go to February quarterback. Right.

7:14And I think that they had done all this research and they knew that the quarterbacks don't become available unless you draft them real high or you have some lightning strike. And they saw this window with Watson and they decided to go for it. They paid the price and other teams weren't willing to pay. And so they went for it and obviously it's missed historically and it's tossed all sorts of things. So, I actually, even before the extension came out last night, guys, because I was getting ready for this. And the next week I was looking at Baker stats like he's kind of been the same quarterback. There are two up years, his rookie year and in 24, there are two down years, the injury year and the transition year. His numbers are the same, his results are the same. And he has had a successful NFL career. He just got guaranteed another 160 million dollars. But he's been the same guy and they decided it wasn't going to work here. And Baker has admitted that he was not going to do what he did for two years in Tampa,

8:15two plus years before it got kind of bad last year for a stretch that he needed to grow up. And so they moved on and the Browns just made the worst decision and moving on. Do you guys know what his record was in Cleveland? I was I was quizzing myself on it last night and I just missed by a couple. Was he 500? He was one game under 500. He was 29 and 30. And what was staggering about that is that in four years, he started 59 games and in four years, Watson, it started in 18 games. Boy, that's some. Well, damn it. I almost forgot what I was obviously thinking about this. I almost forgot what I was going to ask you. Is there a lesson that can be learned by the Browns here? If you were in charge of the Browns, would you still do the same thing and give all that up for what you believe is a card? I mean, the lesson learned, that's a heck of a question and they would have to answer that. And last year, in 25, they came out and told us they were on a quarterback search. They publicized where they were. They said this was a swing in the miss and that wasn't a hot take.

9:17It was a fact. And they delivered a third round quarterback who's actually a seventh round quarterback and a fifth round quarterback who's actually a fifth round quarterback. And they had the same guy back on the field. So what have they learned? We key an answer to that. Now, how does the whole thing apply to the future? That's what's interesting. And that's why I'm watching guys now like Darian Menta and turn it at Jamblis who are going into college and Baker going into his last year was not considered a number one pick. And he was small. And he was a little bit of a wild card. And so we'll see. The 85% result of this is the browser drafting a quarterback high. And then what becomes fascinating over the next few months and then six and seven is like, it doesn't have to be a top three quarterback. And especially if your team is in a position where the other guys in the other position groups really are good and really are ascending. You know, maybe there is an opportunity where someone becomes available. So I think before Baker signed it yesterday, there's 11 guys, 11 or 12 guys who are going

10:21to start this weekend who are eligible for free agency in some regard next year. Now, obviously, if they're good teams, don't let them go. And one of them is to show our watch and one of them's Bryce Young. But like, what are these resolutions going to be? And who's going to get these contracts and who it is going to be available? I don't know. So we're probably headed for that high first round quarterback. And then maybe you got to give up this abundance of picks. But we don't know. But I mean, it's pretty certain that they're headed for a quarterback search. Hey, real quick. Were you as impressed with Dante more on Saturday as I was? I barely saw any of Dante. I am impressed with him. I think he made the right decision to come back to school. But I asked you guys what you guys were talking about because this morning, I was listening to Nate Tyson, then we were talking quarterbacks. Like, I know it's still September 10th, but I'm all in it, baby. That's our, that's our Zach Jackson. Go ahead there, Tony. What about the tail in green and the coach keeping it open right now as far as the speculation

11:23on whether or not he'll be active on game day and what it means for Shador? Yeah, that was the smart answer. Coaches obsess over giving the opponent little things to worry about. That goes back to Eric Langeanie. I think that Shador will be the number two. You know, I think that if tail and is active, it will be an active situation and not Shador being down as a number three. But I don't know, and we have to wonder. And even if Jacksonville prepares for it, they wouldn't know exactly what to prepare for because we saw so little. But I mean, tail and green got one half of a preseason game and one series in the joint practice. And other than that, there was only one or two days where he got any competitive reps at all. So it would be awfully bold to put him in a situation to where he might have to quarterback and then a fel game on Sunday. And if you make him the two and Sanders the three, you can't do that. So that just to me, is there risk not worth taking? Now, if everybody's healthy and they feel like they have special teams back up and they feel like it's a real package that they need, then sure, but I think that's probably a back season thing.

12:24And he was just answering the question in the way that he should for strategic reasons. The rest of the roster for game day, I mean, we pour into this every single year. We talk about special teams. What is your prediction? I know you tend to get these things right when it comes to how Todd Munkins is going to formulate the roster. Yeah, I'm interested because it's a new staff. So last year, we kind of knew who the core special teams guys were. And I don't think all 53 are perfectly healthy, but everybody is going to be available on Sunday unless there's been a setback over the last week. So the backups, the guy they want to be the backup center hasn't played. They missed the whole preseason with an injury to a snapping hand. They have two call ups from the practice clock. And under the last coaching staff, those were usually when they were healthy, those were usually safety in linebackers to play on special teams. But this is a new coaching staff, so we don't know. So concept the own is going to be the part return. Coralie, I think, is going to be one of the kick returners and he's going to be one of

13:27the core special teams guys. So he's going to be active. But like to have 10 offensive linemen, I don't think they're going to address all those guys. There's little games that you play there and that's something I'm going to have a better feel for a few weeks just because it's a new staff. Zach, can't thank you enough for the, is there anything else you wanted to ask him? I'm sorry. Oh, how's the Texas? Oh gosh, I'm sorry. Zach, please go ahead. Yeah, so this is such an important game because last year, it was Julian Sains first start and it was Arches first big start and it was ugly. So now you're getting the same guys from an NFL evaluation standpoint and it's not the first game of the year, which is just better for everybody, better for the teams, better for the viewers, better for the scouts. So yeah, so I, you know, it's probably a little past my bedtime, especially late for a big ball game, but this is an interesting one. And you know, everybody you listen to anything, it's arch and more and then there's a tier break as of right now.

14:28So this is a great test and it's not the only test for Texas, but this is a great test. You know, how state lost all that front line talent, but they still have an NFL coordinator and they still have plenty of talent. Texas has upgraded its offense as talent. Either guy Kim Coleman could very well be the second receiver off the board after Jeremiah Smith and they have Wingo, they brought in two backs, like they're loaded. So this is going to be really good and it's going to be really important game in terms of, you know, where guys stand when the quarterback rankings are become your main topic, a conversation here in about five or six weeks. The main topic in five or six weeks, you have not paid attention to the graphic that's been on YouTube, Zach. Much just a watch list though YouTube. Oh, no, you got to embrace it. You got to embrace what's being said. It's so hard, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Zach, thank you so much for the time. I appreciate you and yours. Give Noah my best. Take care. Thanks, guys. Goodbye. Zach Jackson on the Wise Heart right, we make it right, call Kyle right, hotline outstanding

15:30stuff from him. And I think that you might have just crystallized it there. He might have just crystallized it there. If you're wondering why fans aren't that into it, Zach said it and it really has nothing to do with history. It's about the right now. You know it. He knows it. He's the one who set it out loud and you're going to agree. You'll hear about that in five on the fan. Well, we see Taylor and Green in this game on Sunday. How long will we see to Sean Watson start for this football team for the Cleveland Browns? Zach Jackson is going to answer these questions and more. Will Shadour Sanders make that to Sean Watson actually remember to go out for the coin toss unlike Shadour Sanders? Will he be able to pull that off as the captain this week? Let's bring in Zach Jackson. He's on the Wise Heart right, we make it right, call Kyle right, hotline, he's from the athletic fall on Twitter ad, Akron Jackson. Hello Zach. Good morning, gentlemen. What are we talking about today? We're talking about the Browns. To well, I don't know. We just got into a whole fight about the major league baseball schedule, but I don't think

16:31you care about that. How long do you see to Sean Watson actually starting for the Browns this year? I put the over under a 10 and a half quarters. So now if he makes it to the over, then he probably makes it through the first month because it'd be hard on that short week. I just don't know what anybody sees in this. And I don't know anybody outside the building that sees what they see. I mean, we've seen this guy play. We know what it looks like. You hear the coach say, body of work and we know his body of work. So how two years later, could it be any better? Well, you had me at first where you said 10 and a half when I thought games and then you said quarter is what that's the minutes. That's the Zach we love. It's minutes. Yeah, I imagine it's got to be a quick hook. I mean, that game against Buffalo and we did have a couple of callers going, well, he's playing with third teamers. He's playing against third teamers. And he's supposed to be a franchise guy.

17:33Like I'm sorry. If you drop Tom Brady in there at 30 years old against a bunch of third teamers, he probably would have pieced up a bunch of third teamers. Yeah, that's a tough one. When we know the circumstances that day and he clearly came out of admitted, he wasn't right. But how is that different than way back that day into 2022 and Houston when Kevin Stephinski had to come out and say, just forget that one. There was so much going on. It was nearly within his own head. It didn't happen. Well, what followed that bad play? Bad play. Yeah. Well, then I guess we can just close the book on him. Well, no, honestly, so what happens like what would they do? All right, say he goes out there. I got I got to prepare for the worst first when it comes to him. And then we can try to be more positive with some others. Like say he only makes it eight quarters and he gets made the backup. Do they come to some sort of an agreement with him or something like that? And we never see him again. Or is he just stayed the backup and we move on about the season? Yeah, I mean, you would think logic would dictate it when he's out.

18:36He's out, right? Because he shouldn't be in the future plans. But I don't know. It's hard to get into hypotheticals. And honestly, both in fairness and in reality, like it's hard to get into hypotheticals here. There wasn't a day that this offense in an open practice had everybody and was going, right? They had one time for two hours against Buffalo starters. It's a new coach that the juice comes from the new receivers who we know are talented. And we haven't seen them go against NFL ones and we haven't seen them get scheme against. But they can play. They can help this guy. Like Harold Shannon, he can really help this guy. So, you know, let's see how it goes. I just, I think there's a real ceiling on it. And then you wonder how he mentally reacts to the very first thing that goes wrong. And so I expect the game plan that keeps him out of harm's way as much as possible for as long as possible. But how does he react and how does the team react to the first thing that goes wrong? I mean, they are, they're nine point underdogs this week and six and a half point underdogs next week.

19:37I mean, by the NFL standards, that's pretty strong. They're not expected to perform well. And if they don't, you know, we know what could be coming. We don't know how it's going to go. But we haven't seen any of this and goofy things happen in early in the NFL season. We saw that just last year. We see that every year, right? So I'm a little bit open-minded and not making firm predictions. But I just, there's nothing that I've seen for the last six weeks or for four years. It tells me that this has any hope. Well, Zach, we did kind of catch win towards the end of the available practices for media that the RPO stuff was a little more of an emphasis. You weren't going to really do that with Shedore. Which is comical because he's not even fast anymore. He doesn't have one skill that challenges NFL defenses. But yeah, you're right. That's probably what they're going to do. And really tied hinted throughout the whole spring. The experience and mobility had given bots in the edge. He outright said that a couple of times.

20:38He danced around it a few other times. So we probably are going to see that. But that to me is just comical. Well, that's what I'm asking. The way that you see teams, especially first quarter of the year, we saw, you know, Daniel Jones and what Indy was able to do. Can you, can you gimmick things up to an extent? Because the fight thing is the minute you got to Sean Watson, even before the injuries ravaged him in the surgeries. They weren't really instituting a lot of that stuff that I thought at times, you know, he was able to get out and move and used it. And that just didn't seem to be a part of the, part of the offensive format with Kevin Stofanski. So it seemed like Todd thought even post surgery, they maybe we can do some of that. Yeah. I mean, Ken Dorsey hadn't come in and throw inside waste passes, right? And didn't work. Now they didn't have judge guns. They didn't have fan and they didn't. So yes, in theory. But to your point, remember that game in Jacksonville two years ago, they scored in the first drive he ran it in. No, how many touchdowns they got the rest of the game?

21:41One, zero. Damn it. So yeah, no, like I said, I expect judge Kim's and Kinsepsi own to get a bunch of touches. I do think when I think about the Sean's body of work from the summer, I think he had success finding Harold Fandon over the middle and Harold Fandon was limited through camp to have him ready for this. In the joint practice, he did throw two passes down the field for big completions now. And all the other practices, there were two more, but there was two that day and that was the most important and most competitive setting. So maybe, but I just, I don't hold out a lot of optimism. Zach, Baker may feel just signed that extension yesterday. There's been a lot of revisionist history over the last four going on five years of Baker Mayfield. What was your, do you remember your original thoughts back in 20? I remember we had you on the day after that Pittsburgh game at night. I told you he was never going to be in the building. Yeah. So it's just said and damn it. You were right. You were right about that one. I mean, how would you handle, do you remember what you said and do you think that you would

22:45change how you would handle it? If you said it any different than when or what do you got? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think both sides have regrets, but I think it got toxic, guys. And I think two things happen. I think the Browns correctly judged that Baker Mayfield was never going to be that a list, put a franchise on its back and go to February quarterback. Right. And I think that they had done all this research and they knew that the quarterbacks don't become available unless you draft them real high or you have some lightning strike. And they saw this window with Watson and they decided to go for it. They paid the price and other teams weren't willing to pay. And so they went for it and obviously it's missed historically and it's cost all sorts of things. So, I actually, even before the extension came out last night, guys, because I was getting ready for this. And the next week I was looking at Baker stats like he's kind of been the same quarterback. There are two up years, his rookie year and in 24, there are two down years, the injury year and the transition year. His numbers are the same, his results are the same.

23:48And he had a successful NFL career. He just got guaranteed another 160 million dollars. But he's been the same guy and they decided it wasn't going to work here. And Baker has admitted that he was not going to do what he did for two years in Tampa, two plus years before it got kind of bad last year for a stretch that he needed to grow up. And so they moved on and the Browns just made the worst decision in moving on. Do you guys know what his record was in Cleveland? I was quizzing myself on it last night and I just missed by a couple. Was he 500? He was one game under 500. He was 29 and 30. And what was staggering about that is that in four years, he started 59 games and in four years watching the start in 18 games. Boy, that's some. Well, damn it. I almost forgot what I was always thinking about this. I almost forgot what I was going to ask you. Is there a lesson that can be learned by the Browns here? If you were in charge of the Browns, would you still do the same thing and give all that

24:50up for what you believe is important? I mean, the lesson learned, that's a heck of a question and they would have to answer that. And last year in 25, they came out and told us they were on a quarterback search. They publicized where they were. They said this wasn't swinging to miss and that wasn't a hot take. It was a fact. And they delivered a third round quarterback who's actually a seventh round quarterback and a fifth round quarterback who's actually a fifth round quarterback. And they had the same guy back on the field. So what have they learned? We key an answer to that. Now, how does the whole thing apply to the future? That's what's interesting. And that's why I'm watching guys now like Darian Menta and Turner to add Jamblest who are going into college and Baker going into his last year was not considered a number one pick. And he was small. And he was a little bit of a wild card. And so we'll see. The 85% result of this is the browser drafting a quarterback high. And then what becomes fascinating over the next few months and then six and seven is like,

25:51it doesn't have to be a top three quarterback. And especially if your team is in a position where the other guys in the other position groups really are good and really are ascending. You know, maybe there is an opportunity where someone becomes available. So I think before Baker signed it yesterday, there's 11 guys, 11 or 12 guys who are going to start this weekend who are eligible for free agency in some regard next year. Now, obviously, if they're good teams, don't let them go. And one of them is to show our watch and one of them's Bryce Young. But like what are these resolutions going to be? And who's going to get these contracts and who it is going to be available? I don't know. So we're probably headed for that high first round quarterback. And then maybe you got to give up this abundance of picks. But we don't know. But I mean, it's pretty certain that they're headed for a quarterback search. Hey real quick, were you as impressed with Dante more on Saturday as I was? I barely saw any of Dante. I am impressed with him. I think he made the right decision to come back to school.

26:54But I asked you guys what you guys were talking about because this morning, I was listening to Nate Tyson, Dan Brueber, talk quarterbacks. Like, I know it's still September 10th, but I'm all in it, baby. That's our Zach Jackson. Go ahead there, Tony. What about the tailing green and the coach keeping it open right now as far as the speculation on whether or not he'll be active on game day and what it means for Shador? Yeah, that was the smart answer. Coach's obsessed over giving the opponent little things to worry about. That goes back to Eric Langeen. I think that Shador will be the number two. You know, I think that if tailing is active, it will be an active situation and not Shador being down as a number three. But I don't know. And we have to wonder. And even if Jacksonville prepares for it, they wouldn't know exactly what to prepare for because we saw so little. But tailing green got one half of a preseason game and one series in the joint practice. And other than that, there was only one or two days where he got any competitive reps at all. So it would be awfully bold to put him in a situation to where he might have to quarterback

27:56and then a fel game on Sunday. And if you make him the two and Sanders the three, you can't do that. So that just to me, is there risk not worth taking? Now, if everybody's healthy and they feel like they have special teams back up and they feel like it's a real package that they need, then sure, but I think that's probably a back season thing. And he was just answering the question in the way that he should for strategic reasons. The rest of the roster for game day, I mean, we pour into this every single year. We talk about special teams. What is your prediction? I know you tend to get these things right when it comes to how Todd Munkins is going to formulate the roster. Yeah, I'm interested because it's a new staff. So last year, we kind of knew who the core special teams guys were. And I don't think all 53 are perfectly healthy, but everybody is going to be available on Sunday unless there's been a setback over the last week. So the backups, the guy they want to be the backup center hasn't played. He missed the whole preseason with an injury to his snapping hand.

28:59They have two call ups from the practice clock. And under the last coaching staff, those were usually when they were healthy, those were usually safety in linebackers to play on special teams. But this is a new coaching staff, so we don't know. So concept the own is going to be the punt return. Corally, I think it's going to be one of the kick returners and he's going to be one of the core special teams guys. So he's going to be active. But like to have 10 offensive linemen, I don't think they're going to address all those guys. And there's little games that you play there. And that's something I haven't better feel for a few weeks just because it's a new staff. Zach can't thank you enough for the, is there anything else you wanted to ask him? I'm sorry. Oh, how's the Texas? Oh gosh, I'm sorry. Zach, please go ahead. Yeah, so this is such an important game because you know, last year it was Julian Sains first start and it was Arches first big start and it was ugly. So now you're getting the same guys from an NFL evaluation standpoint and it's not the first game of the year, which is just better for everybody, better for the teams, better for the viewers, better for the scouts.

30:01So yeah, so I, you know, it's probably the little past my bedtime, especially in late four big ball game, but this is an interesting one. And you know, everybody you listen to anything, it's arch and more and then there's a tier break as of right now. So this is a great test. It's not the only test for Texas, but this is a great test in Ohio State lost all that front line talent, but they still have an NFL coordinator and they still have plenty of talent. Texas is upgraded. It's offence as talent. The other guy came Coleman to very well be the second receiver off the board after Jeremiah Smith and they have Wingo. They brought in two backs like they're loaded. So this is going to be really good and it's going to be really important game in terms of, you know, where guys stand when the quarterback rankings are become your main topic, the conversation here in about five or six weeks, the main topic in five or six weeks, you have not paid attention to the graphic that's been on YouTube, Zach. Much just a watch list though. Oh, no, you got to embrace it.

31:03You got to embrace what's being said. I'm so hard, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Zach, thank you so much for the time. I appreciate you and yours. Give Noah my best. Take care. Thanks, guys. Goodbye. Zach Jackson on the wise heart, right? We make it right. Call Kyle right hotline outstanding stuff from him. And I think that you might have just crystallized it there. He might have just crystallized it there. If you're wondering why fans aren't that into it, Zach said it and it really has nothing to do with history. It's about the right now. You know it. He knows it. He's the one who set it out loud and you're going to agree. You'll hear about that in five on the fan. Zach, we did kind of catch wind towards the end of the available practices for media that the RPO stuff was a little more of an emphasis. You're going to really do that with Shedor. You're just comical because he's not even fast. He doesn't have one skill that challenges NFL defense. But yeah, you're right. That's probably what they're going to do.

32:04And really tied hinted throughout the whole spring. The experience and mobility had given lots in the edge. He outright said that a couple of times. He danced around it a few other times. So we probably aren't going to see that. But it just me is just comical. It's one thing for us to say it. It's another thing for Zach to say it. That's why. That's why this is probably is down about a regular season. And as I've seen people ever in 15 years on the fan, easily the biggest one since 2017. 2017, I think it's like, well, how much worse could, how much worse can a one in 15 team be? They could be worse. This is easily the most down and out I've felt. And it's it's because of that. I know that there's a lot of nastiness that comes with Deshan Watts and about all the history and everything there. But that crystallizes it because I mean, you've had guys accused of bad things before that have played in the NFL and their fans have lined up and went into those stadiums and we

33:05hate said, boo to a goose about it. And if he had any redeeming qualities on the field anymore for fans, I think that people would maybe feel a little bit different. Like I've had some people try to get in over the last week like I really thought by this week. And maybe it will be that way that the worm will turn and that people really want us to talk them into the season. Because we are the home of Super Bowl Super Browns, even though that was born out of sarcasm and cynicism when they were one in 15. I think some people were kind of waiting last year for us to really get them going. And I fought it off, fought it off, fought it off. And then I'm going against me as far as predictions are concerned. You said you heard some of the afternoon show saying everybody in Cleveland is trying to shoot Deshan Watts or something like that. Is that what you heard? I was very confused because because that's in Cleveland and that I ain't sugarcoated a damn thing. And Zach was even more sour than I could ever be.

34:06Yeah, I haven't exactly heard people lining up to talk like this is going to go really well. Obviously, if like should or was starting, I think there'd be more hope. But I don't think people would be lining up predicting playoffs or anything we should or either. So I think this notion that, hey, one is way up here and one is way down there. Like I think that's just kind of fictitious. I just think one of them though gives them a sense like I've listened to Nick and Jonathan and I've listened to some other folks here at the station and I totally get where some even the ones that are detractors of should or seem to be coming off like there is again there. I use the word curiosity. It just it feels a little bit different and it might not end up being good in the end. But it's still a better feeling than than this. Then the constant reminders of what could have been. I mean, even yesterday the Baker May field extension get happens and it's like you start to remember things and how it was like man, have we not lost our mind? Like I went through that with you last hour and I don't need to do it again.

35:06But I think what Zach really did was just crystallize it to that's why because you've watched him. You've seen him in training camp. As much as I hate that stupid QB tracker that goes around the internet that coaches do not use it. Clearly, they don't or he would be the starting quarter of X should or would be. But people see that think that should or should be the guy not to Sean Watson. They like should or more anyway. Look like he had a better preseason because the last time we saw it to Sean Watson, he was absolutely deplorable out there in the field. And then when Zach's like he has nothing that challenges an NFL defense anymore. You went from MVP caliber to nothing that challenges an NFL defense anymore. And it feels like Brown's fans are in reality that they can't believe the coaching staff is an in reality. Yeah. Exactly. The guy that Zach just described you go and I'm saying how is he starting? And if it were honestly like if John Harball had come to Cleveland, think about this. You have a first year head coach.

36:07Jesus six year old man and I like the guy a lot. Okay. But he's a first year head coach had John Harball come to Cleveland. I went to Sean Watson's a starter. You think we're going to hear all these sentences like that. What Zach just said about the Sean Watson if John Harball was a start was the head coach of the football team. Now I think there would be some detractors that said he got fired by the Ravens. If Mike Tomlin were the head coach of the Browns, if he had left Pittsburgh and became the head coach, if Bella checked came, if anybody with a reputation for success, which Todd Munkin does have a reputation as a success as an assistant. But if anybody had a standard reputation of this is a successful football coach is the guy who's one games at a high level before I'll throw McCarthy in there even. He's one of Super Bowl. He's won a lot of football games. I know he looks like a sour plus, but he is a successful football coach. If one of those guys were to say it, you might feel a little bit different, but because it is a first year guy, you're going, what is what are they seeing? What I can't they see the truth. Look at this.

37:08This is a scared man. This is a man who's afraid of any pressure that's at him. He doesn't know how to do it anymore. He can't check through a progression. His feet have gotten sloppier and sloppier over time. It's exactly what Zach says ago. What are we doing wasting our time here? So I think it's become Zach says 10 and a half quarters. I think for some fans, it's become wishful thinking. Let's just end this charade as soon as we possibly can. Then we'll get the shardor in tailing green. By that time, maybe Dylan Gabriel will be back and we can just go on about our season. But does everybody think Todd Munkin is picking the wrong quarterback like on purpose? No. Is that when everybody, we're all in the same boat. We're all listening to what Zach is saying and he's been pretty consistent. And we're all like, well, then how is he starting? Okay. Todd Munkin came in and is like, yep, this is our starting quarterback. It's either a and I go back to what Todd was kind of telling us yesterday. It's either a that he really does believe to Sean Watson has something in there that he

38:09can still get out, which boy, that seems to be separate from reality there for a lot of fans or B and I hope it's this way. That the guy who's the second year quarterback just isn't ready to hit the field with his offense yet, just like the callers have been saying the offensive lines knew you got five new offensive lineman out there. You got two rookie wide receivers, etc, etc. Like that's that's what I hope is more the truth that it's not that Watson might be the best. It's at the other guy just in his eyes isn't ready yet and needs to be ready here sooner than later. 10 and a half quarters. Fortle mighty 216 474 to below 92, coming up a little bit later on at 845 line, and I are going to get in the fight of all fights because it happened last night because I, I tell you what, I don't hate Michigan. But I know why even those who had Ohio State hate Michigan and I think that that was crystallized itself in these last 48 hours coming up in five minutes. We go around the FC North, Wyoming, Edgar.

39:11Baltimore Cincinnati Pittsburgh week one around the FC North in five minutes.