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Codry's theme has been out there before it's hatches.

They've mentioned to the Montreal Canaan.

It's been attached to a couple of different teams.

The Dallas stars have looked for Nazum Codry and looked in his direction now for a couple

of seasons.

If Jim Nill is still looking to fill a shopping cart, I probably think that it's more

Blake Coleman than Nazum Codry at this point.

Look, I think Craig Conroy's had a number of offers this year.

Those from other teams that, as I'm told, that can help his team right now and in the

future as well.

It doesn't surprise me that the Montreal Canadiens are looking for a player with playoff

experience, someone that brings some snarl as well at the same time.

Like, look, if you're going to have a long playoff run, we all remember what happened

last year against the Washington capitals with the Montreal Canaan.

Not that it's just about the penalty box fight between Josh Anderson and Tom Wilson,

but in some ways, the Montreal Canaan has kind of got pushed by a bigger stronger Washington

capitals team, not just Tom Wilson, but the brand and Doohames of the world as well.

That doesn't exactly surprise me.

One of the interesting things, Tyler, I'm curious to your thoughts on this one right now.

It does very much seem, and we see it with every CBA when things become a little bit more

restrictive by way of player movement.

I was talking about this with the guys on the sheet a couple of days ago.

It's harder than ever now to be a general manager.

Like you are so restricted in a lot of ways, and no one knows this better than, you know,

as Colby just mentioned, Hart Levine over a puckpedia.

I know that fans don't want to hear things like it's hard to make trades, but it's harder

than ever to make trades.

And right now, you can make the argument that in this marketplace, sometimes it looks

easy because teams are paying more than they want to just to get the player that they

want.

Yeah.

And I mean, one thing that made it even more complicated in the Calgary instance with

Calgary is, you know, the rumblings at ownership was maybe pushing back on, you know, there's

four years left on this deal.

We're not keeping money on this.

There was the rumblings about Colorado.

You wonder if that affected Dallas who isn't so much in a cap crunch right now as they

will be in the summer when they have to extend Jason Robertson and to bring it back to

Montreal.

That's why their cap picture is probably envied around the league because they have,

I'm just looking Suzuki, coffee, old Slavkovsky, all signed long term under $8 million.

Like these are guys who aren't expiring till 2030, 2031 and 2033 under $8 million.

The reason why you can't afford a guy like Audrey right now and not be worried about

how he's going to age as a, you know, middle six center into his mid to late 30s, you're

not worried about how that contract ages and you can take this shot because of the other

good work you've done.

You know, it is the, there's one thing that comes to mind here and we saw this during

the, the COVID playoffs, but if this does come to fruition and Nazim Codrie becomes a

member of the Montreal Canadians, you know what's a real drag here, Tyler?

We won't see a Toronto Montreal series with Nazim Codrie playing against the team that

quit on him so many years ago and a, tried to send him to Calgary and then ended up sending

him to the Colorado Avalanche.

That's a drag there.

Great stuff by you and your panel.

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And Carter Hutton and what do you make of that little little note from Dave, that would

be a spicy one, certainly in Canada, the Montreal Canadians in conversation with the Calgary

Flames, player up for grabs, Nazim Codrie.

You know what, I think they really need him.

We talk about Corey Perry going to Tampa and that extra little grit and Carolina struggling

with that with Aho.

And Nazim Codrie could be one of those players that also gives you a little more grit, likes

to play dirty, likes to play rough.

He's got to stay on like up, he knows how to play in those tough, skilled guys, he's skilled,

he can help your PP, we know how important the PP is in the playoffs.

So I'd love to see him go to Montreal.

I think just from a leadership standpoint too, right?

Like you look at...

Our plan to protect Ontario is building new pipelines.

He can bring to Nick Suzuki is going to be important too, because there's going to be a

lot of pressure on him when you think about the matchups Montreal is going to draw on

what Nick Suzuki is going to have to face head on, right?

Now you bring in Nazim Codrie, does that relieve the pressure valve a little bit?

And I think that's an important factor here.

And I don't think, like I think when I talk about the dressing room and him coming in there,

you're playing playoff hockey at the bell center, right?

This is going to be a lot the best, right?

Like for him, I think he's going to be rejuvenated to be in those moments.

And yes, he's got a history of, you know, going over the line in the playoffs.

But I think he's learned from that and he's become a different player.

And he has a Stanley Cup to show for it.

So this would be exciting.

I think for a fan base, rejuvenate them.

And then as long as they can start keeping the puck out of their net, look out.

Well, okay.

So let's just get it out there because that's the elephant in the room.

It would be wonderful for the Montreal Canadiens to make a move and bring in Nazim Codrie

Carter to your point.

There was nothing more magical than Saturday night.

701 bell center, they dropped the lights, Cole play hits.

Everyone gets the goose bumps and it's the ghost of the forum.

And you're thinking about Bellevue and Richard and it's it's an experience

that all hockey fans have to have.

And I think we're all thrilled that the Montreal Canadiens are now consistently a playoff team.

But you've got to get a save, man.

Like at the end of it, talking about Nazim Codrie is great and talking about

Carl Hudson is awesome and Demidoff and Nick Suzuki and Colcoffield snapping them in.

But at the end of the day, I always think back to there's a few great lines about goal tending.

There's there's Elaine Vinho talking about goal tending when he would say hockey is easy.

If my goal tender is better than your goal tender, I win.

But if your goal tender is better than my goal tender, you win.

We think of the old saying, if you have a goalie, it's 70% of your team.

If you don't, it's a hundred, but my personal favorite.

And I'm going to hold on that because we got to get to Dave Paneuta.

Just as I was getting poetic here at the in the Tim's booth, Dave Paneuta standing by with the latest.

So just just on the Montreal Canadiens and the flames.

This is an ongoing situation.

They are going back and forth.

Another target that we're hearing on the Montreal side is Zach White Cloud, who was traded

really from Vegas as part of the Rasmus Anderson deal.

One or two years left on his contract.

I'm not sure off the top of my head, but he is signed beyond this season.

And he is somebody that the Canadiens, I believe checked in on after that.

There were a few teams that when that trade with Vegas was made called Craig Conroy and said,

what are you doing with Zach White Cloud?

So that's a name that has been discussed.

I believe Arbor Jacki is somebody that the flames have interest in.

We'll see kind of how that evolves with note on that.

And then Eric Howell and Jonathan Marsha.

So we're not participating in practice in Nashville right now.

Waiting on word is to what's going on with Marsha.

So Eric Howell, conversations cool down a little bit going into today.

We'll see what happens over the next two hours.

However, I was told this is a maintenance day for Eric Howell.

Very convenient.

We'll see if that's actually the case.

But that's what's being described to me.

I like conspiracy, Dave.

There are no coincidences.

No such thing as a coincidence.

Not today.

Take that word out of the dictionary.

Yes, very much on a day like today.

The Tim's insider cam, our insider Dave Paniota.

So the point that I was trying to make about goal tenders and I'll pick up on

now my favorite one and the goalie on the set is going to love this.

My favorite thing about goal tenders was always from Harry Sinden,

the former general manager of the Boston Bruins, who would always say goal

tending is like oxygen.

I only think about it when I don't have it.

It doesn't matter what you do.

If you don't get a safe man, everything can be undone.

You know, ask the Edmonds and Oilers how they felt for the past few seasons.

I'm not getting that safe, but they have Leon and they have Connor, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

That's an area that much else got to address.

Jacob Fowler is going to be a really good goal tender for a long, long time in this league.

The problem is that's not now.

Yeah.

And I think that's the factor of overexposing him too soon too, right?

To a situation where Sam Montenbole, right?

Like he had such a great year last year and something that always stuck with me when I was

in like a, you know, I guess a slide would be, you don't lose talent overnight,

but there's a tough situation here.

When I watch Jack, Jacob Dolwisch play the other night against the San Jose Sharks, he's chasing the game.

He is all over.

And what that does to a team and a, you could probably touch on this as well.

Like from my perspective, I've had runs with goalie partners where they're invincible, right?

And the way you play, it adds a comfort to your game.

But when they are fighting it, the amount of pressure on the players, gripping their sticks,

trying to do a little bit more when you're not getting those saves on a younger team

that you're trying to build to the future.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they make something work today to try to shore up that back in.

Again, we're circling back to this topic as always.

The East is open and the Habs have a lot of talent and they can make a push here.

Is that true, but goalie's definitely the momentum swings.

When your goalie is not playing well, especially in a series, it just kills you.

And when they do play well and they win a game for you that you shouldn't have won in the playoffs,

we still won.

They still won.

It revives the energy in the room.

You're excited and you feel it.

You can feel it.

I got goosebumps thinking about it.

It's, you're ready for that next game.

You know, we didn't deserve that one.

Let's get it done next game for the goalie.

The thing about it too, and you guys, I'm sure have both been on teams like this,

where, and I think about this with like snipers like Phil Castle,

like you need players that can score an easy goal.

Because when you have to grind for every single goal

and you goalie, let's in a tough one, they're like, oh, okay.

So now we got a score two because of that.

And we have the fight.

We don't have like a guy that can just come down the wing and snap it.

And that's always where I felt like Phil Castle, Sean, you know,

we thought we saw him in a third like a passer.

The Pittsburgh Penguins could skate down the wing and score a couple of goals.

And just to release valve pressure is all off because we've got the easy goal.

But when you have a goalie that's hard to hit, as we like to say,

man, it can really decimate everything up and down the bench.

No offense goalie, you know, and not that I want to kick a team

while they're down like when you're telling me that story,

I think about Samsonoff giving that goal and offwing the Trent Frederick

in the playoffs, like an absolute softie.

And you could see how the Leafs caved in.

And I've been around that so much where whether I was the goalie giving up

the soft goal or the goalie sitting on the bench and you feel the drift

in your team just sag and everything goes down.

And it's hard to regain that momentum because it's a powerful thing.

And then on the opposite side, if you're the team playing again,

that like you know, you got him, right?

Like you're like, hey, boys, let's spread it on.

He's fighting it, get to the net, make it hard.

And then it, you know, and that's snowballs on teams.

Yeah, the one thing that Dave mentioned there as well,

this was was was was kind of surprised for me.

It was part of the the Rasmus Anderson deal with the Vegas Golden Heights.

And that's Zach White Cloud.

First of all, very good defenseman.

Second of all, excellent human being.

Like that is I thought, you know, if there's, and again,

nobody is sort of untouchable.

We know this in the in the in the national hockey league.

But as close to on that back end,

based on what you can get for him, that's a surprising name.

That really is a, I think this defenseman is, is outstanding.

And he's someone that a team's always want to have players.

They can hang their hat on.

Zach White Cloud is a Calgary Flamie Vegas felt that way,

but having Zach White Cloud.

If Montreal and, you know, the name that Dave mentioned there,

potentially going the other way would be someone like Arbor Jack,

I can understand why Kelgarians would love that.

But if you have a shot to get Nazum Kadri and Zach White Cloud,

you take that swing all day long for your Montreal, I get that.

Yeah, I think that is a key piece to this too.

And Zach White Cloud's experience that he's got to feel with Vegas in the playoffs,

another calming factor.

And I think you just can't add enough of that to a locker room and contract

structure that's built out very well.

I think if there's a team, my eight year old the other day dropped this.

We're at a team meeting and everyone went around the room and for his hockey.

And he said, what's his favorite team?

He tells, says the Montreal Canadiens and he was never a Habs fan.

I think he saw the contract structure in the way the future looks as an eight year old.

It's a good investment on his side.

Pause on that for one second.

I want to get to Hartlevene here from Puckpedia sharpening the pencil on the

Corey Perry contract with the Tampa Bay Lightning.

What's the latest heart?

Yeah.

So that trade actually retained 50% on it.

And so that also applies to any performance bonuses he earned.

So we talked about before he's already earned bonuses with LA.

Those are definitely charged to LA.

You could earn another 500,000 in playoff bonuses.

But anything that he earns would be charged 50, 50 between LA and Tampa.

And again, that's critical because Tampa is going to finish the season over the cap.

So any bonuses earned are going to be a cap charge for next season.

So not only did they get him at 50% that also applies to those bonuses.

So they could be looking at a $250,000 cap charge next season for Corey Perry.

Excellent.

Great to have you on the beat.

Hartlevene from Puckpedia sharpening the pencil on that Corey Perry situation

and the 50% retention by the Los Angeles Kings.

Swing back to Calgary here for a couple of seconds.

I think we've all waited for a Calgary to make some moves.

They made the move with Resma Rasmus Anderson.

We'll see about Nazum Kaji.

We'll see about Blake Coleman.

Today we don't see about Ryan Lomburg.

But if I'm the Calgary flames right now, like this is the rebuild of the organization.

They have a new building coming in a couple of years.

Would it be the safe to say the strategy for the Calgary flames is?

And I don't think they're going to be at the height of their powers when it opens.

But this team has to be good when that building opens.

And whatever Craig Conroy does right now, it's to ensure that when the new building opens,

because the cautionary tale is Detroit, they open the new building.

And Lil Caesar hasn't seen a playoff game yet.

That's probably going to change this year is the cautionary tale here.

Make sure that when you open the new building, your team is good.

It definitely helps.

I think he might have one year because of the excitement of the building.

They have it.

They might have that one year.

But people quickly forget they want to be in the playoffs.

Calgary is a passionate town.

They love hockey.

And I'd like to see them turn it around and have an exciting product.

And we haven't seen that out that way in a long time.

I think when you look up the road in Edmonton, I think that is the mere image of what we want to become.

And we want to be a team that is pushing it.

And yes, you're still an economist, David and Leon dryside away, but you have a very good

goalie.

There's future.

There's picks there.

There's things that are going to come into play.

And I think if you're in that Alberta market, that's got to be the standard, right?

And I think when we have where Calgary was at, last year was great, right?

You know, they have a great push.

Dustin Wolf is so good.

But you look at that.

It's almost they would have been better to be bad last year, right?

But you know, they have to do what they've done now and move off some guys and try to

build a future.

You said, you maybe get that one year window and then it's like, hey, we got to be in

the hunt here.

What's it like being a gold tender on that rebuilding team?

I was going to bring up Dustin Wolf a couple of seconds ago, like, okay, so let's say

cadre goes, Coleman goes, Anderson's already gone, we'll see about Zach White Cloud.

If you're Dustin Wolf here, I'd always maintain that not that they're like, you know, little

gentle kittens that need to be coddled here, but gold tenders are different, man.

And in a rebuild, you're going to see a lot of shots and there's going to be a lot of

goals that go in and it's going to be tough sledding.

And it becomes as much a mental game as it becomes a physical game as well.

How much of a sensitivity knowing how good Dustin Wolf is and he's exceptional.

What a great gold tender.

How sensitive are you to this rebuild can't be long because we can't wreck this guy in

the process.

That's the tricky here.

And I think when we talk to Jacob Fowler, it's like exposing guys to early now with Dustin

Wolf.

It's a different scenario, right?

Because you're losing games.

And I think this year, a big story there has been Devon Cooley.

He's come in and played very well to be that support system for Wolf.

And I think that's going to be important moving forward, right?

Because it's great to be like, well, he's our goalie in the future and he's getting

60 games and he's playing all the time.

But there is that mental wear and tear of what goes into losing.

And you don't want that to become the norm, right?

And I think back to my time in Buffalo, where culture wise, which is obviously a buzzword

we love to use, but you don't want to lose for too long, right?

You don't want that to become the standard.

I think when you think about Chicago and Bedard and these different players, you want to

make sure that they're playing meaningful hockey games because it adds so much value

to your career.

Not just the skill set, but the mental side of being in big moments.

Real quick.

I want to get the Tyler and his panel here in a couple of seconds, but real quickly, right

down the line here, which is, which is the Canadian team you're most curious about.

We just talked about Calgary and Montreal, a little bit on Toronto, haven't really dipped

into Winnipeg yet.

The Ottawa Senators made a move yesterday with David Peron to Detroit.

And we haven't talked a ton about the Vancouver Connoxia and that great sell-off.

Which one interests you the most by tech?

I think I think about Ottawa a lot because of Brady Kachuck.

And the reason I think about it so much is how long does he stay there, want to stay

there?

And you talk about, Mike David in Edmonton, is that his last year?

If they don't make it to the Stanley Cup, does Mike David end up somehow finding

an exit ramp?

And I think about that with Brady Kachuck and they're so close, they're almost there, they

can make the playoffs, they've got a couple games in hand.

But if they don't, another bad year, what happens?

I think Ottawa is really good.

I think that if Ottawa, if the Ottawa Senators, I mean, you guys think about this, I think

if the Ottawa Senators get saves this year, okay?

I don't think there is good as Tampa, but I put her right after them in that division.

And you think of their playoffs series last year with Toronto, it was a coin flip, right?

They were in that series and Linus Allmark down the stretch was very good.

I look back on Ottawa's season last year and you think about that big road trip they

had for the world juniors.

That was like a key road trip, right?

And Levy Merlin played very well.

He has been the big story this year, in my opinion, when you think about Ottawa, Linus Allmark

is still finding ways to win games, but he's not that Vezna worthy player that we've come

to know.

And, but they're still in it, right?

So if you start to get saves, it just goes to show you having a capable backup who can

carry the mail, if something happens, is so important, but they are a team that is structured

well.

I don't think they're ready to sell off by any means to like really get rid of guys because

they played such good hockey five on five.

They've been in every single game.

You just got to get saves.

It just goes to they just call it changes to goal tending, Jeff, you like that one?

Yeah.

I think it was I think it was Ned Harkness, who first said that in the mid-sale, the

Trent Redling's coach in like 75 or 76, like, we need to change the game of hockey.

We just need to call this thing goalie because that's the only position that matter.

And if you have a goalie, you win hockey games and that's just it.

Ottawa is fascinating.

And the one thing we'll get to Tyler's panel is like, the one thing about Ottawa,

because we talk about players that we don't talk about a ton.

Jake Sanderson's one of the best defensemen league full stop.

And how this guy just can't get any headlines or any love outside of the Ottawa market to

me is staggering.

I think this guy's, well, flat out one of the best defensemen in the NHL.

Anyone just want to disagree with that one?

No, I don't think I'm going to disagree with that one.

And again, I what I do like about him is I think the experience he just gained playing

at the Olympics is an important factor too, right?

Because there's times I reflect on my career as, you know, you kind of have imposter syndrome

in a sense too, right?

Like he's always been a stud, right?

But you get there and then you start to realize like, I am really good.

And then you get put on that stage and the magnitude and how well he played and to be in

this situation and to carry the mail all the time.

As you start to grow into that, I think that's going to be an important factor for a transitioning

younger team into becoming a powerhouse.

There's a lot of good pieces there.

You look at Stutzlow, what he's been able to do, Bathurst and there's so many good players.

There's a lot going right in Ottawa.

And again, when's the last time they've had a goalie be consistently good?

You know, inside of maybe Craig Anderson, it's been a long time coming here.

I want to cash.

You have to go all the way to memory then.

Ray?

Yeah, absolutely.

Ray, you know, it's interesting if you go back because you mentioned Tim Stutzlow as

well.

And here we are talking about Jake Sanderson.

If you go back and you redo that 2020 draft, and that was the Alexi LaFernier, Quentin

Byfield, Tim Stutzlow, Lucas Raymond, Jake Sanderson, the central Jamie Drysdale, Stutzlow

and Sanderson go one, too.

You know, Pierre McGuire was making this point on my program on Mondays.

Like, you redo that draft.

Those two guys who end up going third and fifth probably go first and second.

Like it is a, and to your point about Brady Kitchock, like they've had this incredible

foundation of quality there in Ottawa.

And you just like get this team safe.

I do want to see you get that experience.

Like we talked about, you know, Jake having that experience in the Olympics, I want them

to get in the playoffs again.

Like they miss the playoffs.

They're taking a step back.

Who knows what happens and what moves they make in the summer.

But getting in the playoffs, maybe they make another push, one more year to mature, get

that experience and then add some pieces in the summer and then a real contender.

You know, think about their general manager, Steve Steyos, kind of like Bradshaw living

well at the same time, lives on the phone.

I know all general managers live making phone calls.

But then there are some guys that have the reputation of being in on every conversation.

Toronto has that and Ottawa has that with Steve and Steyos.

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Mark now, and since the last time we've been on, there's been no action, just that Corey

Piri trade to tap a base.

Everything's quiet right now as paniotic, and this is usually sort of a dead zone here

for a couple hours where everyone's working and we should start to hear some things in

a little bit.

Michael Russo, who we trust a lot out of Minnesota, he's recovering them well for while he says

the while they're likely done.

Johnny, does that surprise you?

Not at all.

Not at all.

I don't think they have much money left to play with or many assets left to play with.

These are the moments, but you know, they've been playing well.

They've got some really good pieces.

Obviously, the three headed monster and Quentin Hughes, Matt Bulley and Carl Capriza.

They've got their gold tending, and I think they're confident what they've got here to

push for the playoffs and go against that really tough central division.

Yeah, I just worry looking at them down the middle.

Like I know that's nothing new, right?

But you end up in a first round playoff series against the Dallas stars and it's, you know,

it's hints.

It's too shame.

Ritzkovian has come on, although a little bit unproven, but you know, it's turned into

a pretty reliable guy down the middle and Dallas.

And then, you know, we know what the centers look like in Colorado if they ended up, you

know, depending on how that division shakes out in a one, two, three manner.

So do you really feel good with Hartman playing on your top line?

Is that a matchup where guys like Capriza and Zukarello are going to spend less time

at the puck on their stick just because you don't have that center that has the ability

to move the pieces around the board.

I mean, a really high end center in the national hockey league can be like one of those really

elite defensemen.

They just move players around based on where they're positioning is on the ice, right?

They know how to support the defenseman.

They make it so much easier to break the puck out.

They always focus on the way the defenseman move the puck and wallets true.

You got to have guys that can make that first pass, but so many teams take away the wall

and you have to be willing to play pucks into the middle of the ice and the middle of the

ice.

Well, centers got to be able to handle pucks.

They got to be able to make sure that they're not too far above their wingers.

And then they got to be able to play at the pace to keep up with a guy like Capriza.

So I'm a little bit surprised, Johnny.

The nature of knowing Bill Garen and how he has, you know, the confidence and the swagger

to really push the chips in and bet on himself and bet on his team.

But look, you can't make something out of nothing.

If there's nothing to be done, don't hurt yourself in a manner that is unrecoverable,

like a lot of general managers do.

So I am surprised, Tyler, a little bit more than Johnny, although I think Johnny's reasoning

is reasonable.

But I don't know, like we'll see what happens here.

Anything can now change in the next hour and a half, right?

Yeah.

And I mean, you even go back to the last couple of deadline shows that we've done.

I think back to our reactions when that Tomas Hurtle trade dropped seemingly out of nowhere.

And I know it.

Listen, I'm keeping an eye on the YouTube chat here in front of me and if there's a lot

of you saying, oh, this deadline was oversold, oh, this has been boring.

And I mean, it's boring until two tweets end up dropping and then all of a sudden from

nothing burger deadline to to a stunning one and an entertaining one.

We got the top 10 of our board resetting here on the right side.

So let me give it to people from Matt Larkin and the crew over at dailyfaceoff.com.

Blake Coleman, number one on the board in Calgary two years, 4.9 million left on that deal.

Robert Thomas and St. Louis, there was smoke about Utah, there was smoke about Buffalo.

Have those two teams pivoted potentially Vincent Trojack, number three on the board, heavily

rumored to Minnesota over the last few months, sounds like that's not happening.

And I have some cadre again, some smoke about him potentially going to Montreal.

We know Dave Paniota's working hard on that story behind the scenes.

Colton Paracos at number five, he nixed a deal to the Buffalo Sabers earlier on in the

week.

Anaheim was a team connected to him, but they went out and made a big splash for John

Carlson late last night just after one o'clock in the morning.

Eastern time.

Brewing Shen, number six on the board, Justin Falkus teammate, number seven or a reminder,

all four of those St. Louis blues that I've rattled off have some form of trade protection.

Who of them have full no trade clauses, Rasmus, Ristalline in the Philadelphia Flyers

defenseman is number eight on the board, Ryan Hartman not expected to go anywhere at this

deadline.

Bobby McMahon, the Toronto Maple Leaf reports are that he will have a new home by the time

the clock strikes three o'clock Eastern Colby.

You said Rasmus, Ristalline is an interesting name.

Why?

It's just there's so much talk in Philadelphia and there's seemingly a pretty big disagreement

between the fan base and the franchise and I mean, I was watching, you know, some

of the different media members yesterday, our friends from Smow the Goli were arguing

with each other like Johnny and I do and, you know, Alexi LaFernier, the New York Rangers.

I mean, it was an epic level argument about, you know, why they're going to sit pat

on this team and it just to me and this has to be frustrating for Flyers fans.

It seems like potentially here you have, you know, members that don't necessarily sit

in the front office, but are, you know, see sweet employees will call them are kind of

pulling for one thing and then you have a GM and you have a president that are maybe

pulling for another thing and then you brought in a win now coach and I understand why

in Philly, people are pissed.

It just is kind of hard to fully understand Danny Breyer is a patient guy.

I think he has shown pocket that if he doesn't get what he likes, he's not going to make

the move.

He doesn't seem like a guy who just isn't going to do it to do it and clearly if Bristol

line and is still a flyer right now, it's because the price has not been met and he hasn't

had the deal that he's looked for, but I do continually wonder like what shoe is going

to fall to help the Philadelphia Flyers, which are sort of a big market team.

They're not an original six, but they didn't, you know, they have that, you know, Eastern

market big, big time sort of swagger and they've not been a good team for a long time

and you just wonder where are they going and sort of what move is going to be the one

that starts the domino effect and that's why I think Bristol line and we'll continue

to be a name that we talk about up until 3 p.m.

That is interesting.

So one comment in here trying to get the YouTube ball chat a little bit involved Pablo

wanted to know how much salary is getting retained.

If cadre goes to Montreal, if you go back to a few days, go, it sounds like salary retention

was a sticking point from flames ownership in a deal that could have sent cadre to Calgary.

If line A goes back the other way, Montreal can totally make the money work and a whole

bunch of people in the YouTube chat wondering about Bobby McMahon again.

That is a guy who it's fully expected that the Leafs are going to move him before the

deadline today.

They're aware I know there are a lot of oilers fans in the YouTube chat who are wondering

about Edmonton as a potential fit Edmonton has made two moves already.

They got Connor Murphy.

They got Jason Dickinson Bobby McMahon's $1.35 million cap it would actually be really

easy for the oilers to fit in even without any form of retention.

They currently have $475,000 in cap space and they have two forwards and Colton doc and

Josh Samansky who can go down to the miners without needing waivers.

But they're one paper transaction so to speak away from being able to fit in a guy like

Bobby McMahon, they can even get as high as I think $2.1 or around $2.2 million in cap

space is how high the oilers could get if they wanted to make another ad.

I will say though guys, I'm not buying on the whole Edmonton acquiring another goalie

thing.

And I know I'm going to throw you guys for your takes on this and it's kind of my area.

But like one of a brosky thing, the only way they can fit in but brosky is if what Tristan

Jari goes out the door, well, how much are you paying to convince Florida to take Tristan

Jari?

Why would they want Tristan Jari like even the binnington thing?

I don't see St. Louis taking Tristan Jari like the goalie talk in Edmonton.

I'll be honest, I never quite understood it.

Well, Colby and I think I've been on the same page when it comes to brosky, right?

Colby, he's played a lot of hockey for a team to trade for him right now, especially

the team that's lost him in the last two cup finals that know how tired he probably

is because he's been the three straight cup finals.

Like it makes the most sense for Bob, just to kind of reset on the year, have a long

summer and then go back at it and sign like maybe a one or two year deal of Florida and

just.

Yeah, but the word on the street is he's looking for more than that and I think it's one

of the reasons that he's become available is because he hasn't go ahead Tyler.

Sorry.

Did you have something?

No, no, no.

I'm agreeing with you.

I thought you might have been waving me over to DP for something.

But that's the reality, Johnny, like that would make the most sense to us.

But hey, listen, the guys won two Stanley cups in a row.

He obviously is a confident guy in himself.

And if he wants to be paid what he thinks is market value, well, listen, he has earned

the right to be paid what he thinks is market value.

For sure.

That's why his name is even out there right now because clearly him and Bill Zito are

not on the same page about what the future will look like as a Panther.

Now, sure, this summer, could you have a change of heart?

Could you look at, you know, the grass not being greener on the other side?

Absolutely.

You could, but I want to kick this back to you, Tyler, and I want to hear from you.

Have the Edmonton Oilers done enough?

Do you feel like this is a real Stanley Cup contender or is this another year where the

pressure mounts even more on the time frame of the extension that Connor McDavid signed?

I have gone on the record saying I don't buy the whole McDavid sign this so he could continue

to hold their feet to the fire.

I don't actually buy that.

I think Connor McDavid will be an oiler for a very long time, but with all the moves

that they've made with the goal tending issue that is seemingly even bigger than the issue

was with Stuart Skinner, do you look at this team as a true contender?

Well, I mean, the thing with the goal tending in this goes back to December.

I said it when they made the trade.

If you're doing this for the sake of making change, sure, but you sure paid a lot to do

it.

I said from the jump that they should have just called up Ingram to see what they had

in him before they went crazy with anything else, but I mean, at least they've done something

with their goal tending, right?

If they were still sitting here with Stuart Skinner and Calvin Pickard, people would be

criticizing them as well.

So they went and did that.

They went and improved defensively with Dickinson and Murphy.

The oilers are something like minus 36 at five on five when both Conor McDavid and Leon

Dryas settle are off the ice.

Dickinson and Murphy should help in that regard.

And yes, I see the comments, the goal tending strash, the goal tending strash.

Kevin Woodley was on with Jason Greger last week and said that over their last 10 games,

the expected save percentages for for Jari and Ingram are like 860 and 870 or somewhere

in that range.

And it's like, okay, like you could put any goalie and Edmund didn't right now.

And if they keep bleeding chances, they're not going to get better.

And then to answer your question in a very roundabout way, Colby, are they a true cup contender?

If they started a playoff series tomorrow against the Anaheim Ducks, could you see?

I take the Ducks.

I take the Ducks.

No, I take Edmund to that playoff series.

Yeah, but I'm the known wholers hater.

Yeah.

And then in a second round series, if they get Vegas again, I know Vegas has mariner

this year and they acquired Anderson.

Yes, but like, are you really going to bet against Conor McDavid and Leon Dryas settle

in a playoff series, especially when even with the goal tending everybody ridiculed the

last two years?

Right?

Like, there are no weak Pacific division.

They have Conor and Leon.

They haven't, they have an authentic shot to win and honestly, I kind of like that

stand boom.

And again, I said this earlier, he went for fit over over flash and flare.

You want to win Stanley Cubs, not, not press conferences and I think Dickinson and Murphy

can help them do that.

Like, I see this one from Jack.

So are they overrated?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe they are.

And do I think they're as good as they've been in the past two years?

No, I don't.

But that also doesn't mean that they don't have a shot.

So we'll, we'll see if they're done.

We'll see if they, they keep adding here.

But I just think the goal tending stuff, like, they've kind of made their bed on that

front.

Like, once you acquire a contract, like, Tristan Jarries, the gamble is that, like,

how he's your guy?

One thing I will say too, because I had an opportunity to see Connor Murphy really working

between the benches, the black ox for a couple of years and, and, you know, locker room guy,

mentor type of guy, not that you're really looking for mentors right now.

I mean, you have players that have played quite a few games on the blue line for the Edmonton

Oilers.

But, you know, he's played one year in the playoffs, the 2019, 2020 playoffs, Connor Murphy.

So doesn't have a lot of playoff experience, Tyler.

And, you know, I do look at the speed of the playoffs, and I wonder about Connor Murphy's

feet at five on five in the playoffs, right?

Like, I wonder when you look at Edmonton.

And yes, you want to get harder.

You want to get heavier.

I agree with you.

They went for fit, but, you know, there's a team on the other side of Canada.

They named the Toronto Maple Leafs that decided to rebuild their blue line in a bit of a

heavier, quote, unquote, defensive manner, ask the forwards who never get the puck in

the right situation.

And how they feel about fishing rims off the wall constantly, that they're dealing with

now in Toronto where they've rebuilt that defensive core in a much heavier, you know, defensive

manner.

And I'm not saying Connor Murphy can't make a first pass because he can, I'm just saying

like, you know, everybody celebrated that.

And I know it'll help the penalty kill in Edmonton, but I just kind of want to see more before

I celebrate that trade and think that that trade is this perfect fit.

Yeah.

Let me ask you this if I can.

I just want to add, like, I feel like two years ago in the 2024 cup final, everyone

was saying, this is the best roster, Mick David has had last year.

It got a little worse than 2024.

And now this year, it feels a little worse than last year.

Like it feels like they're just downgrading in the years that they need to be upgrading

for Conor Mick David with the two years left on his deal now.

Is that an accurate?

Uh, listen, I kind of always thought that this year would be like a soft step back in

terms of their roster and how good it could be.

You look ahead to this summer, not that they're out of the mangy of money.

They have north of $10 million in cap space with pretty close to a full roster under contract.

Like if they want to take a swing this summer, they can absolutely take a swing and I'll

go back again.

Like last year at this time, we were sitting here saying the oilers aren't as good as

they've been in the past.

And what happened?

They went round one against L.A. and everyone said, oh, L.A. is miles better.

L.A. is going to beat.

And then Edmonton did the little four in a row after dropping the first two and they

were gone.

And then they only needed what 10 games total to beat the Golden Knights and stars, both

series where everyone said, oh, Vegas, now that's a real hockey team.

Forget that L.A.

Even though Dallas, you might have beaten them last year, but look out for Dallas.

Like Edmonton just does this.

They get to the playoffs and they have a way to kind of flip that switch.

And last year, again, injuries, right?

That's one thing they have going for right now is they're healthy.

They had no at comb for three rounds.

And when he came back, he was brutal.

And then they didn't have Zach Hyman for the last round and a half.

So they can stay healthy.

That's another factor.

Also, Johnny, you do have to at least acknowledge the fact that, you know,

you go on these Stanley Cup runs and guys start getting paid more than they

should, of course, of course, it becomes, it becomes harder to retain players.

And that's where you got to start finding guys who make, you know,

950,000 1.1 million 1.4 million that find a way when the weather gets nice to

contribute because again, your Tyler's right, you know,

McDavid and Dry said, oh, we know what we're going to get out of them in the

playoffs.

We know that they're good enough to drag this team through.

If they get, let's call it 895 goal tending to 908 goal tending, right?

Like those two guys are going to score enough.

They're going to produce enough.

The power play will get hot, who shard is a big game player.

Yes, he's high risk high reward, but he will make big time plays to help his

team win.

So it becomes more difficult when you see those, those, let's call them role

players that were good role players in Edmonton over the last three years,

Tyler, those guys are all making like three, four million dollars now on

other teams.

So that's just circumstantial right there.

Yeah, that's a good point.

All right.

A good point, hard to argue quickly before I send it back over to Jeff

Merrick, just a quick rundown of some of the stuff we've seen so far today.

If you missed it late last night, Connor Garland goes to the Columbus Blue Jackets for a second

and a third round pick Luke Chen Logan Stanley going from Winnipeg to Buffalo.

It's Isaac Rosen, Jacob Bryson, a second and another draft pick in there as well.

I will give one more if you missed it.

Of course, the John Carlson deal.

He goes from Washington to LA this morning.

The big ones are Corey Perry to Tampa for a second round pick.

Nick Felino for future considerations.

Bobby Brink for David, you're a check a swap between the wild and flyers.

And am I sending it to Dave Paniotas?

Is he fired up and got some of them for us?

I'm right giving it back to Jeff Merrick.

Oh, am I giving it to boys?

Well, Dave, yeah, okay.

We'll go to Jeff Merrick and the guys back in Toronto, unless you got some Dave.

The Carolina hurt.

I don't know if you can hear me.

Oh, sorry.

Dave, go ahead.

Sorry about that.

Sorry about that.

Tim's insider.

Yes, the Carolina hurricanes are working on a move involving.

It's a bottom six forward.

So we'll see kind of what happens there, but they're finalizing something

involving that.

I'm not sure where they're at on Vinicro check or somebody along those lines,

but the Carolina hurricanes working on a move for a bottom six guy.

All right, Tim's insider camera that is a Dave Paniotas.

So there we go, so the Carolina hurricanes working on something Eric Tulski.

Like listen, last year Eric Tulski,

let trade, let trade deadline on fire with a Michael Randon deal picking up Logan

Stankhoven and a couple of first on draft picks in the process.

In the meantime, we'll see what Tulski has up his sleeve as there is an hour

and 20 minutes remaining for teams to get their trades into central registry.

Let's get to Hartlevin from Puck BD.

A couple of things to you that people may wonder about come trade deadline.

The idea of current cap space versus projected cap space.

And why does it seem like boom, all of a sudden,

all these teams have tons of cap space seemingly out of nowhere heart.

Yeah, it's a good timely question because I get a lot of messages.

I think there's something wrong on the site.

You're showing way too much space for these teams.

So it's good to talk about it now.

Oh, hang on, let me pause, pause, pause, pause, pause.

Once I want to get the Tim's insider camp, Dave Paniotas again, Dave.

Yeah, just waving away here.

It sounds like the Toronto Maple Leafs are finalizing a trade involving Bobby McMahon.

It sounds like it's going west.

We will see.

I haven't confirmed the team yet, but it looks like it looks like it's happening.

Bobby McMahon is being traded.

Okay, there you go.

Try to soon to be an extra on Maple Leaf Bobby McMahon.

So the Exodus continues from Toronto.

Sorry, Hartlevin, we cut you off there to get the Bobby McMahon information out

there. But please pick up.

We left off, sir.

Yeah, so the salary cap is based on the days in the season.

So at the trade deadline, there's only 22% of the season left.

So when you look at projected space, that's how much space the team would finish

with if they didn't make any moves.

So team like Minnesota, they would finish with 1.3 million of space.

But because at the trade deadline, there's only 22% of the season left.

A team can actually fit about four and a half times that because if you add,

if Minnesota added a $6 million cap at player, right, 22%.

That's going to use up the 1.3.

So that's why team like Minnesota, you know, they trade for Fulino,

they still have a lot of space, even though it shows just 1.3,

they can actually add 6 million annual cap it today.

And that's the same for many teams, even Anaheim after training for John Carlson,

they still have a more 40 million of annual cap it they can add today.

All right.

Thanks for sharpening the pencil on that one as well.

That's that's always you're right.

It's not just you that get those questions.

I think it's a lot of like people wondering where does all this cap space show up here

at deadline? Excellent stuff as always.

We'll check back soon.

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Okay, so swing back to Dave's report that Bobby McMahon is soon to be traded,

going to find out a destination here.

I mean, rumor destinations have been the the Edmonton Oilers.

Those two sides have been linked.

I don't necessarily think it is Edmonton this time around.

We'll see where where McMahon ends up here.

But again, swinging back to the Toronto Maple Leafs, Bradshaw Living,

the most one of the most active general managers on the phone.

Looks like he's getting something done here,

Voitech with Bobby McMahon, who is a real fast kid.

What do they, you know what?

Can't say one thing about, before I, one thing about Bobby McMahon that I've always admired,

there are some players and you guys know what I'm talking about.

There's some players that when they get in the shooting position,

they just shoot the puck.

Bobby McMahon always shoots to score and there's a difference and Voitech

as a as a scorer, you can certainly appreciate that.

I think it's ingrained in you.

It's something that you're working on all the time.

And there's certain guys that are thinking,

I want to get pucks on the net, I want to get rebound.

Right.

And that's how they're going to generate offense.

And they're the real shooters, goal scorers,

I'm going to place this in a spot.

And then it's automatic.

They know they're getting it.

They don't even have to look often,

practicing is like, I'm going to hit this spot 10 times in a row and practice.

And then when it happens in the game,

it's just getting off your stick and you're you're looking for that opening.

Yeah. And this has been earned for Bobby McMahon too.

Like he's a good story, right?

A little bit of a late bloomer when it comes to his college career and where he's

at. And a guy that can score, right?

You know, he's at 19 now, he had 20 last year, he can produce.

It will be interesting to see what his number is, though,

when it comes to free agency, right?

Like, is this going to, is he going to go to a situation where he can flourish

and continually play well because of what the cap going up?

And the lack of free agents in this market,

like, I feel like if you're a player that has enough confidence to wait until

July 1st, it could be a very big payday for Bobby McMahon in the sense of

where the market is at with, you know, team's needing scoring a guy.

If you can guarantee 20 goals, there's a lot of value in Bobby McMahon.

I also, I'd also love for him to get that playoff experience.

Sure. And that'll add to his number, I think.

If he can, if you can score 20 goals and then you can perform a playoff,

which I think he can because of his speed and his size and a scoring ability,

that moves the needle even more fun.

But that's the big calling card to the Bobby McMahon.

Like that's the first thing that pops for you when you watch

Bobby McMahon, man, this guy can move his feet fast.

But then we take that second step and say we've already sort of addressed

us with his shooting, you know, one of the reasons why we all marveled

at a player like Pavel Burrey, for example, is he did everything at top speed,

could shoot a top speed, could play and make a top speed, pass a top speed.

You all of it was done at top speed.

And I know it's rare and I'm really nitpicking here on Bobby McMahon.

Love the skating, love the shooting, but I don't see the passing at that top speed,

the likes of which would put you into a card or a whole different class of player.

Yeah, he's one dimensional in that sense, right?

But he still has a big body, too.

And again, I think that template of like the way he can play.

And I think the black cloud of like he didn't really perform great for the Leafs

when they were in the playoffs is going to be on him.

But he's a younger guy still like I think there's still a lot of runway there.

So we'll be interesting to see where he lands out west because you know,

you obviously mentioned Edmund tonight, I think of Seattle.

And I still think of Seattle's deals when they like they gave brand

and more to the big money.

The Chandler Stevenson and this is where like maybe he's a piece,

but is it just a rental to try to get them in the playoffs?

Because I think about the pressure on Seattle where you just had the Seahawks,

you just had the Mariners go to the American League.

Like this is a winning culture right now in Seattle.

And if you're not making the playoffs, like there's a lot of other options for people to go to.

So I think there is pressure on borderline Ron Francis in the browser.

The other names we're looking for with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

And for a lot of people we talked about it before.

Oliver Ackman Larson, that name's told very much out there.

Many think he's played his last game as a as a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

So you guys want to put it sort of final touch here until Dave drops it.

Other another piece or another story on the Toronto Maple Leafs about what we should look for.

Like is this in your opinion just a slight retreat for the Toronto Maple Leafs

only to look to spin back next year and go for it again?

Or are we looking at something more significant here?

I think you do have to just spin it back a little bit and then wait for that free agency

and help you out some pieces.

They're top end and their core is so good still.

And if you can make a couple of additions, you don't retreat too much.

You don't give away too much.

I still think they're there.

When we go back to it being kind of wide open still.

If Florida doesn't come back.

Not give away, get some picks and have some firepower for the summer.

Yeah.

So I guess my concern is Matthews and his health and where he's at.

And yes, he's been on a historic goal scoring pace.

But he scores goals in such a dynamic way, right?

Like I know we drew those lines early in his career when the way Ovechkin was scoring

versus Matthews where Ovech's a little more one-dimensional.

He beat you from distance where Matthews generates through that.

Now he's kind of redefined his game.

He's taken more of a defensive role where now they need some support system there.

And I think that is going to be the factor in depth.

And then you have the Craig Barubi kind of elephant in the room in a sense of like,

you know, you have Morgan Riley who's never really fit into that system.

Like what happens with him?

There's a lot to go on.

But I do love is I think Joseph Wall is the goalie of the future.

I think he isn't even hit his ceiling in my personal opinion between the years.

The way he can physically just demand a game when he gets hot.

He is a difference maker.

So I think there is a core there.

Like I wouldn't say this is a total retreat,

but there are some concerning factors that go along with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Do you do something with Morgan Riley if you're the Maple Leafs?

I think that's one of the sort of elephants in the room about the Maple Leafs

and what they should look forward to.

Like I don't think this is anything that happens like in the next hour, 15 minutes.

But do you think down the road here in the off season, maybe there's a conversation there?

Yeah, I think he feels like it, you know, it feels like at this point,

he served his purpose.

He's been great there, right?

I just don't know if he is the guy when you look at that decore, right?

And then you go across the league and we look at, you know, the Hudson's and the Maccars

and the Quinn Hughes.

Like where is that factor now in Toronto, right?

Like he is kind of the guy, but he is, you've kind of melked him for everything.

He's worth at this point, right?

And he's had a great career, but I think it's time to move on it

and kind of really reassess what you have in the back end in my opinion.

I don't know if you move on for me.

I really like Morgan.

I think he's an amazing guy and I know he's really well-liked in that dressing room.

I do think they're going to have to change his role in the team if you do keep him

and you're going to have to find some young, exciting offensive player

to take on some of that role that he had early on as a career.

You know, one of the things that we talk about a lot more now than we have

in the last little while is toughness.

And we've seen, you know, how effective, look, even players like Jonah Gadgevitch

were for the Florida Panthers, AJ Greer for the Florida Panthers.

It seems as if right now, you know, managers in an era where everybody can skate,

everybody can shoot, everybody can pass, everybody can play, you know,

there's a few players that have that toughness intangible.

And, you know, Dave was just talking a couple of seconds ago about the Calgary Flames

and Nazum Kodrie and Zach White Cloud.

And, you know, in the situation with the Montreal Canadians, and is there a fit there?

We're going to put one more name on the table and then I'm going to have a drink.

Ryan Lomburg.

It's on an expiring contract, $2 million, of course, per rated.

Do you think anything happens with Ryan Lomburg just knowing how,

and maybe most specifically in the first round for a playoff team?

Having that kind of toughness is really valuable.

Yeah, I think when you think about Lomburg and you think about some of these players

that, you know, might play in and out of your lineup.

It's a nice card to have, right?

In the sense of, I guess for me, from a goalie perspective, it never had,

I hope every player on the ice was Ryan Lomburg.

I knew he weren't going to score against me, right?

But the fact of the matter is a presence in the room, and I had a chance to play with Ryan Reaves,

one of the best to do it, right?

And there was nights where we didn't have it going when we were in St. Louis together,

and they played a line.

It was Scotty Upshall, Kyle Brogiac, Ryan Reaves.

And I'm telling you, they want us so many hockey games just by their presence of getting pucks in

and wearing teams down and creating an icing or drawing a penalty.

And it would suck the big dogs into the game, right?

Because there's nights where you're going to be out, and I think in a playoff series,

that is momentum and energy that could be valuable.

So we talked about Clarelline, a possibly getting a piece.

You know, there's another name that might go there.

You know, we talked about AJ Greer early.

We've talked about so many different pieces.

How valuable, you might not see them on the statute, but there's a value that, you know,

you just can't show outside of a dressing room.

Yeah, it definitely matters.

They can change the game.

Some guys are better than others because sometimes they get caught up

and all of a sudden they take a penalty.

I think Lombard does a great job.

And any team that can get him, he'd help their lineup.

Who's the best you guys had on your teams at being able to, like,

being able to walk that line?

Like one of the things that I think that we're all marveling right now with Tom Wilson

with the Washington capitals is, and it's taken a long time to get there.

And it cracked a few eggshells along the way.

I get it.

Tom Wilson, more than anybody else in the NHL for that role.

And he leads Captain Point, so he's not as if he's a bad player.

Knows where the line is, and knows how to stay right on it,

and hasn't crossed over in the past few years.

Who is the best at it for you guys?

For me, obviously, I mentioned Ryan Reeves.

Like, he did a great job of that.

And there's different players.

Like, Reeve will had a different kind of, I guess, physicality that came on the game

because of his fighting ability, right?

But then there's other players, like, I think back to my time with Rich Cloon

in the national friend or system.

Like, Dickie Cloon's still a good friend of mine.

He's now coaching with the penguins.

He's worked his way up through the Toronto Marlies.

He's, yeah.

Want to call their cup there.

Great story.

But he is just a guy that rediscovered himself and he knew how to walk that line.

Whether it was in warm-ups, you know, challenging players or being there.

And then, I think because of leadership, which is important in this situation,

when we were in Nashville, you know, he had the likes of Shay Weber, Mike Fisher,

Roman, all these guys, he knew how to walk that line, but he knew how to drag the boys into the fight.

And I think that's an important factor this time of year.

I don't know if this would fit because Shayne don't have such a great player.

But we had one playoff series in that first round.

And we got unlucky because he's such a nice guy.

And he actually.

Shayne don't was nasty.

Don't be complaining Detroit.

He is a nice guy, but playing.

He is nasty.

He was 240 pounds at that point.

We were playing Detroit.

And they had let's drum and Cronwall.

And he was running them out of the rank.

And it was like, we're going to be Detroit.

We were out.

And because he's such a nice guy, I think it was all as good.

And he comes out of the net, goes to cover a puck.

Shayne didn't want to bulldoze him and jumped over him when the boards broke his rub.

And he continued to play, but he didn't have that same, like, I'm going to go crush Cronwall and Lydstrom.

But I never thought we'd just throw pucks away.

Yeah.

But when you have Shayne down at 40 pounds and he wanted to win, we had a good team that year.

He was a game changer for us.

Well, let me, I'm just having a look here at Matt's trade board, Matt Larkin at DailyFaceOff.com.

And we're all wondering, again, we still have time here an hour and 10 minutes to get trades into central registry.

And we'll just go right down the list here and pull a couple out.

And let me know what you guys think where we're at.

Tier one, the obvious trade candidates.

Blake Coleman, Calgary Flames, wonder about Dallas, Robert Thomas.

That one seems to be sort of all over the place.

And I don't think anyone would be surprised if it just remains status quo.

And that gets pushed into the off season, Vincent Trollcheck, as we've discussed.

Minnesota is out of the Vincent Trollcheck business, Nazim Codry, as Dave told us not too long ago.

Could be something cooking there with the Montreal Canadians.

The Colton Paretco story was a little bit of a 24 hour drama on hockey Twitter.

Braden Shen, we've had a conversation about Justin Falk.

I kind of thought that he would have been dealt by now.

But nonetheless, Rasmus Ristolainen of the Philadelphia Flyers, Ryan Hartman, Bobby McMahon,

as Dave mentions on his way somewhere.

Maybe listen, Columbus is adding, maybe Columbus, Jordan Bennington, et cetera.

Any names right away jump out of you as I can't believe that here we are, you know,

just over an hour away from the end of trade deadline, 2026.

And this guy's not gone yet.

Yeah, I think just St. Louis Blues players in general, Justin Falk.

I think that is it.

Like I thought from Armstrong and Alex Dean, who's next in succession is like,

there would have been a pivot, right?

From the sense of like, we had the Paretco deal set up, right?

The optics of it.

And you kind of set that to your fan base of where you're going with this deadline, with this team.

I'm surprised we haven't seen anything from them, truthfully.

Like, when I think about teams on the sell off, that's a team that kind of lights the lamp for me.

I would agree with you on that one.

I think about.

What?

Oh, we got Dave.

Sorry, standing by.

Dave Peniel.

Just confirming the play.

Chicago's made another trade.

I'm just trying to confirm.

The player.

Sorry, guys.

No problem.

I thought I thought I had this way.

Chicago's made another trade.

It's a depth.

It's a depth type piece.

Just trying to figure out.

I believe it's Derek Puliot, who is going to Chicago.

So not a huge one, but the Ranger.

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Sorry, pick up on the conversation we're just having about players that were surprised that haven't moved yet.

Do you want to pick up your thought before Dave interrupted us with the Chicago name?

New York Rangers move?

Yeah, St. Louis is a big one.

I'd love to see O'Reilly go somewhere.

Maybe you can care a liner and help them a little bit.

Or you have Cairo, you have Thomas.

These are guys that could help other teams.

And St. Louis really does need to make some moves.

It's probably one of those scenarios where if there's not a lot that happens now is probably a lot that's going to happen with the St. Louis Blues probably around the draft.

And then because I don't think anyone has any misgivings about where this team is.

And like listen, not the year another 40 on Doug Armstrong, but you've played for Doug Armstrong.

And you went through one of the most interesting phases of the St. Louis Blues, which is, you know what?

It's not there.

We're moving stasting and bam.

Shocker.

Yeah.

And then they go on to win a cup the next year, right?

Like they had the core. They had the bill.

But when I take a.

Oh, hang on a second here.

Oh, we got something.

Am I going to Dave?

Yeah, I'm going to Dave.

The Tim's inside a camera.

Dave, go ahead.

So the, we mentioned the Carolina Hurricanes working on a trade for a bottom six guy.

They got him.

Nick Deloria at a Philadelphia.

So, you know, that's interesting.

So.

So the Carolina Hurricanes.

As we discussed and Dave, that's great information from the Tim's inside of camera.

That is really interesting going back to last year.

In the playoffs, the Carolina Hurricanes were pushed around by the Florida Panthers.

Right.

And it wasn't all this.

If you're pushed around by the Florida Panthers, don't feel special.

I get that.

But that.

I believe that that really bothered Rod Brindamore.

I think the really bothered Rod Brindamore.

And he wanted some type of deterrent on the bench.

And on the ice, because let's face it, Nick Deloria is one of the toughest players in the NHL.

It's like Nick Deloria, Matthew Olivier, like these are like the heavy weights in the NHL.

We wondered if Carolina would go out and get some toughness today.

They did.

And they got one of the toughest players in the league.

What do you think?

And there's a presence there too, right?

I, I never had a chance to play with Dilo.

That's what you want.

And Buffalo.

And so he was, I came into Buffalo.

He was there beforehand.

But everything I heard about him is how he bleeds for his teammates.

And what he brings to the room.

And again, these are those pieces around the edges that help a team, right?

And I think as a fan and as on the other side of it now, you're like, well, what does he bring to a hockey game, right?

And there's stuff that he's not going to find on statute.

And I think the presence for a team that got pushed around to have a little more confidence knowing you have him there is an important factor.

And good for him, right?

He's in a good situation here to go and play.

He's made his money.

He's a factor.

It's going to be awesome.

I think for Dilo to be there.

What do you think?

One of the toughest guys in the NHL.

Carolina Hurricanes.

I remember it was like a big deal when they had like Jesse Bullerys.

And they've got Nick Dolore A.

They needed somebody and I'm happy they did it.

I still think they're going to do something in this next hour.

Yeah.

But seeing what's happened in the last couple of years, I'm happy that they did it.

And it's going to help the dressing room.

And the fact that he's such a great presence in that room.

He's an older guy.

He's going to continue to help them win.

You guys have both talked about presence.

And this sort of bleeds into this one point that I've always believed about.

Tough players on hockey teams.

It's not necessarily the fight that changes behavior on the ice for the other team.

But the threat of it.

Which is just as if not more important than the actual fighting itself.

Just to be that shark that swims.

And calms and calms everybody down.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And it's in the locker room at times too.

I think you can touch on this too.

You think about like, I think about my career in like being in St. Louis,

where we had this veteran leadership group, right?

You talk about J. Bull, Meester, Alex, Dean.

And like, just the calming presence in the room.

And I've heard Patrick Sharpe talk about this when he was at the Olympics about like,

no one even said anything in the room in Team Canada.

You just had all these.

And the more experience you have, it's like to manage those certain moments

when you know, instead of adding gas to the fire and things get emotional.

And then when I was in Buffalo, we didn't have that leadership group.

And you have a few guys trying to calm it down.

But I think there's value in just having more experience around in those key moments

to keep things cool to understand.

Like, yeah, it was a bad first period, boys.

We're good.

We're going to, we're going to find a way to get through this.

Instead of letting it be magnified.

And actually, you know, you're out of a playoff series.

I think it's an important factor.

They definitely help calm the room down.

I always liked the kind of the older guys, the tough guys.

They helped some of the younger players.

And they were, they were so willing to get in their ear and say like,

hey, like, get a little dirty.

Like, mix it up.

And they got you.

And they would go, yeah, they would go to those younger players.

And, you know, players that weren't necessary soft.

But didn't know that they should step it up a little more and say,

hey, like, get up.

Don't worry about it.

And I also think all those tough guys, super tough.

Most of them are such great people.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

They're like, I remember, you know,

rooming with Scott Parker.

Oh, he's good.

You know, I tied it up everywhere.

Wow.

And when we would get to the room,

he would have extra waters.

He would have a cookie for me.

Whatever he brought for himself.

He also, like, I had George Paros.

I mean, Brad May and all these guys.

Incredible human beings.

Important.

Though, you know, the interesting thing about,

you know, and like Nick Dolores,

been on a number of teams here now.

When we think of you,

you mentioned the Buffalo Sabers,

we think of the Anaheim Ducks and, you know,

the Philadelphia Flyers, et cetera.

I know, listen, Brian Berk told me when,

when Dolorea was in Anaheim,

and Berky was running the Penguins with Ron Hextal,

they did everything to try to get Nick Dolorea

because everybody in that division was, was loading up.

And the price at that point,

I think Bob Murray wanted a first round pick,

which was going to be real tough.

Look, I wanted to do it.

I thought he was worth it.

But you look at all these guys.

And whenever, like, this is the,

this is the issue with going to a different market

as a tough player.

When you're in a market for a long time,

as a tough guy,

you can kind of coast on the reputation

because everyone's seen you do it.

Everyone's seen you have, like, the 10-15 fights a year.

Everyone's seen you do it.

But when you go to another market,

like, when you go to a new market, that market hasn't seen it.

And you don't have a reputation, you can surf on.

There's a reputation that you bring with you,

but they haven't seen it there.

That's why when tough guys get,

get tough guys get traded,

it's hard for a couple of reasons.

One, literally,

you're bleeding for your team on a consistent basis.

And two, when you get traded,

it makes it even that much more profoundly heartbreaking.

You're going to a new market where no one seen you do it before.

Yeah, and it's exciting, right?

I think for Deloria to be in this factor

on a non-playoff team in Philly,

he goes into Carolina.

And then you think about, like,

like, what you touched on was, like,

the fact of the matter is, like,

imagine the confidence booster you get as a player,

like, no one you have him.

Like, hey, okay, well, maybe I'm,

maybe I'm going to run a guy here.

Maybe I'm going to set the tone a little bit different now,

knowing you have a backup planning.

And you might not have to be the guy that answers the bell.

And I think that makes players skate a little faster,

hit a little harder,

and do a little factor to a Carolina team that,

I don't think is done,

but sees that the door is open here.

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