Hour 3: Ravens RB Derrick Henry, plus Delaware State HC DeSean Jackson In-Studio

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1:00Our number three of the Rich Eyes and Show is on the air. DeShawn Jackson's waiting in the wings to join us in person. But normally we just spend the top of hour three catching up on what you missed the first two hours, but we must reject with those formalities. Because we've got a future hall of famer running back joining us right here on the program from the Baltimore Ravens. Always great to say hello to our friend Derek Henry. How are you Derek? I'm doing fine. Listen, Derek, I always shoot you straight. I never lie to you. I'll be honest. I saw you sit down. Looks like you let yourself go. I might have been on. I might have reached. Sorry. Sorry, just the point. No, I'm just, I mean, just I don't know what you've been up to. Working out. Working out lately, Derek. You've been working out. Here. Here and there and here and here. Grant is not a good thing to say. Oh, listen. Look at me. I'm just, you could see me here. You know what I mean? You look great. Look great, man. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to live up to the mug. You're just trying to live up to the health of a lot more. How you feeling entering week 11,

2:02year 11, Derek, for you? You're good. You're good. So I guess you're one. Is that right? You're great. Okay. How is it there in Baltimore with the new HC, Jesse Minner? Derek. It is, that's fine. And I'm great getting all. Building that chemistry with the whole offense. Every day is going out there, you get better. Shoot for a standard that wants us to represent. So it's been a lot of fun. You're referring to the new offensive coordinator, Declan Doyle. That's what you're saying. Okay. What can you allow? Is that Hank Coach? There's the OC. No, I'm just talking about, I was just talking about the new HC, the new, yeah. Jesse, Jesse. Yeah, it's been fun with Jesse for sure. It's something trying to build a culture to him. He wants the Ravens to represent. And the foundation that he wants it to be here. And guys who are leaving just stepping up or going out there every day, offense, defense, especially teams, the football stuff.

3:03And getting better every day, it's been a lot of fun. And we're excited to head into any of that place and go against the good team. How is it different set of eyes with Jesse Minner than with John Harball? How's it been different, Derek? I mean, every coach has different ways that they do stuff, different philosophies, things they like, things they don't like. And that's all Jesse's been trying to do is implement things that he wants us to do. And what he sees works best, communicate that to us, and go out there and shoot for it every day. Listen, and I know, Derek, questions like the one that I just asked can be interpreted in any answer that you're denigrating or not being complimentary of John Harball in any way, shape or form. I'm just trying to determine how, for Raven's fans, it could be different, right? That Jesse Minner is now there and implementing something that could lead to better results in the long run.

4:04Derek. Are you saying like, I'm trying to get like your trying to see what you are trying to implement? Like, how is it going to be different from heart? Yeah. Yeah. How is it different? How has it been different? And do you think you could lead to different results at the end of the day? I mean, I guess the where we do stuff with Jesse's different than Harball, I can't really put like a prediction on what it's going to look like. I know what we wanted to look like, but we got to go do it. So I'm not going to see it going to be like, always, we're going to do this or say we're going to do that or this and that, but I mean, we're just trying to work towards something special and continue to work towards that each and every week, you know, that we go out there and, you know, don't wear a week one. So we got to put it on display, everything that we were working towards

5:05and all the work we put in. Because just from my part, yeah, just to Jesse and I don't know. Because I mean, just from my perspective, I never saw Harball drop M&M, you know, at a team function. I never saw that before. Terry, you were talking about, I'm like, you talk about I'm just talking about that one. That was, that was, that was a lot of, that was the case. You could have been like, what was, what was, uh, Jesse's performance like towards Harball, and I've been like, I never seen Harball perform. Jesse's not there and like, he was on eight mile and he was the, uh, M&M song. Yeah. That was different. I saw that for sure. And what, what can you tell, um, the public, if you will, how the offense might be different with Declan Doyle? How the, um, different with Declan? Mm-hmm. I think it's a different scheme. I ain't gonna give, I'm gonna give too much. It's a different scheme. Everybody's been loving it.

6:06Um, trying to perfect it the best way we can. Um, we got new guys in who come in and, and did a great job and the guys that's been here, just trying to continue to, uh, to get better. And um, no, we just excited to go out there and play some football. We've been in training camp for the last month and a half. So, um, I get to do the real thing and, um, and play against a different team when they count. So just excited. We get, we're ready to go do that. Now, do you, uh, I, I, you know, I've been speaking to you for years now. My gosh, 10 years in the league. And I, you know, I know the way you operate, um, you know, on the field. And I'm just wondering in between your temples, do you have a chip on your shoulder? You're gonna turn 33 at the end of the year and you're like, that is just the number I am here to lay down a marker for the entire running back group that hits the age of 30, that there is a hall of fame way of doing things after that age. Do you have that mindset in any way, shape or form?

7:06Derek. Um, no, I don't really try. I don't really think about like the, the age thing really. I just think just trying to set a standard and be better than I was the year before, no matter what age. So I feel like, I mean, that's just the stigma. So I mean, that, that comes with the territory. But I just want to figure out how can I be better, um, than I was the year before the game before or whatever it is and keep no playing at a high level. Each time I step on the field, well, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I did the math because I'm a professional. Derek, trust me, I never leave math to my guests. I never won't leave that to anybody. 843 yards from you this year would leave you sixth all time on the all time rushing list. A head of Curtis Martin, you'd pass. Eric Dickerson, Jerome Betis, Lydanian, Thomson, and Curtis Martin. They're all in the Hall of Fame. That would, if you, um, nail that, um, you would also, if you come up with the same number of yards

8:11is last year, you would be just 305 yards behind Adrian Peterson, who's up for selection in the Hall of Fame for fifth. Are you thinking, is it possible to go chase down Emmett at the end of the day? Derek Henry? No, I mean, I'm not really like thinking like, oh, look, let's go get it in me, but, um, I mean, if it happens, it happens, but it's not like something that I'm like shooting for. So for me to even be like an accompliceship and ain't you just mentioned, it's just crazy to me. So, I mean, that's just so cool to be in the same conversation with those names and being able to have that mark of passing some of the legends that play any game, but like the end of the day, I mean, I'm not shooting for, I mean, I don't see myself stop in no time soon, but I mean, I'm like, if it happens, that'll be remarkable if they don't, and I'm still happy. Hey, and if you do, again, if you finish your season with the same number of yards as last year,

9:11and then you get the same number of average yards per year for your career, you would be three seasons of playing away from passing Emmett Smith. That's real, Derek. I mean, Clip, you know, and is that something you could even envision as we're sitting here right now? I mean, I, I mean, I, I, hold myself to a standard. So, yeah, I mean, I, I never say no, it's not possible. I think, you know, working and, you know, keeping at how leveled and, you know, anything, anything happened for sure. What would it mean last before I leave you to go to the season, what it mean to win a trophy and bring it to Baltimore, with Lamar and first year head coach and everybody this year, Derek. This is mean everything. I might, I might cry at rest of the year if I have. I might just tear up every time. I think about it, but it's possible, right? You guys feel that in the last. Yes, sir. For sure, for sure. Just why? Why do you feel that way?

10:12I mean, I thought we got the guys to go and do it. But it came close in 23, 24. We lost in the vision around. Mr. playoffs last year with so much on expectation. You know, we just, you know, we got to get it done. You know, we want to got got so long and, you know, so it's time that we all feel that we all know we can do it. We got to get it right there and get it done. So you might lose yourself if that happened. See what I did. I won't lose myself. I'll just be in like, I just, I don't know. See, mid there's nothing. I might be my problem. Show this to your home just because we have a conversation and actually happy and you know, it's hugging up. Derek great to chat with you. Have a great game in Indianapolis in a great season. I always love our chats and I appreciate it. Oh, yeah, appreciate your rich. I gotta see you, sir. You always show me love, man. I got a lot of love for you, bro. Right back at you. Right back at you. The diminisher Derek Henry. Right here on the rich eyes and show getting set for another season in the NFL.

11:17There he goes. Oh, he's getting up. He looks great. Yeah, I don't know why he tried to like body shame. Do you just, do you just call me stupid? I say that about what's the compliment? Yeah, I'll take that. From Susie, not a compliment. Yeah, no, from Derek, I'll take it. When said like that, I say that, the time to use sometimes you'll say something funny. I'll be like, man, I get it. Could you imagine just real quick, Ravens fans, Ken. Lamar in the Super Bowl in Los Angeles. Derek Henry in the Super Bowl. Oh, okay. Running downhill. And that is Donald and Garrett. That's fun. You know, Lamar versus Stafford as the quarterbacks. That would be so. Possibly so. Drake, may I can't make it every year? So cool. Good one. No, good one. That's a rough one. Did you know every 36 minutes a child in the United States

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13:19the Deshaun Jackson story, a new documentary that premieres on Prime Video, exclusively September 24th. Deshaun Jackson is here in studio and we'll get to your coaching in a second. But we just saw that clip, man. And I was wondering because you're from Long Beach, probably when am I going to see Snoop and it? I saw Snoop and it. But it also, you know, obviously this footage goes back to when you're a baby. Yeah, a kid. Sure. And your brother was capturing all the video as he's doing right now to my life. He's still doing, he's the hands up. He's still doing stuff. We got a lot to follow up with. I feel like everybody's like, okay, this film obviously went to the end of my career. Now, you know, he's still been filming with football too. So it's like, what's next? So we got a lot of our sleeves. And there's so much memory lane stuff to hit. But one of the people that I saw and his voice is unmistakable, it's Jim Brown. Jim Brown for sure. What was that sequence? Where was that, Deshaun? I was unbelievable. I actually had an opportunity to have a great relationship

14:20with Jim Brown. He used to call me up to his house. He was doing a lot of gang interventions in LA and kind of growing up, just hanging around the wrong people doing some of the wrong things. I remember my dad called Jim Brown one day and he's like, yeah, Deshaun is hanging out with these, you know, gang members and he's doing things. He probably shouldn't be doing it. And Jim called me up to his house and he just was being real. He was open. He was like, man, I do gang interventions. I talked to these people. He said, man, it's only two plays you're going to end up, you end up dead or in jail. So he was able to kind of tell me in the right way. But it's temptation growing up in Los Angeles, California, drug abuse, violence. I mean, it's just a lot. So that's kind of all I knew. But I still have people around me to kind of like steer me in the right direction. So he did a great job of helping me out with that. Did it sink in? It did for sure. I mean, at the end of that, I still had to hit my head a lot. You know, I was able to get information. But as a young kid, I have kids. Now you tell your kids what to do, what not to do. You know, kids still going, you know, sometimes do the things you tell them not to do. So for me, it did sink in. But there was a lot of things. You know, I had to obviously find out on my own as well. So what did you find out?

15:21Just sometimes a crowd, the type of people you have around you, sometimes they may not have the best answers for yourself. It's kind of hard to be able to be this mogo or this collegiate NFL player and you keeping the company around you. There's some people maybe not be doing the right things and you know, they're getting in trouble in the streets. Maybe, you know, still in violence. There's just a lot of things that I had around me that I didn't really understand. I just thought, you know, they were my friends and I didn't understand. I didn't know how to separate it. So it took some hearts, some heartaches or some heart conversations to say, you know, sometimes I may not be able to be around you guys. Cause this image is going to, you know, hold me down. Did you, when did you finally unhook yourself from that world? I'm probably like midway through my career, maybe like my seventh A.C. I mean, I'm in the NFL. So through Long Beach Poly. Yeah, for sure. Through Cal. Yeah, Berkeley. Yeah, through Cal. Berkeley still. And I think even like after a lot of people talk about 2013 when Chip Kelly released me from the, I think that was, I opened her for me. Obviously, I never got in trouble. You know, I never been arrested.

16:22I never did nothing crazy. But like some people that was around me, you know, had encounters and went to jail and was fighting murder cases and those, these are people that I was like friends with since I was young. So I didn't know like how to just turn my back on them. You know, I'm like, I was there to help. And I just think like that was an eye over the for me when I got released from the evil. So it was like, you know, maybe I shouldn't have showed the Instagram post or people hanging out and doing certain things. It was just, it was just too much information. I feel like I was showing. Well, again, I, I just remember when you came in the league. And I remember your career as well, Dishon. And I remember, you know, when we first started talking about you with Chip Kelly, there was a full conversation about you not knowing the full playbook that you didn't know, you know, outside of just what type of receiver you know, the X, Y and the Z. You didn't know routes. You didn't know that stuff. Was that a, was that a fair? No, I think it was, it had points in, in being because like being a receiver, sometimes you don't really have to know the whole offense, but in Chip Kelly's offense, he had plays where one

17:25play you could flip. Like if it was to the right, you would have to know the right side. Now that same play could be called to the left. And that puts me at a different position. So it's like me having to learn two different positions. So I never really had to learn that. So I got into his offense. So I mean, I think it played a part and you know, some things I didn't know. And I had to like steady extra, you know, so I think somewhat of a play that played. Do you think you'd have been a first round or if it wasn't for potentially what you'd been referring to over the last few minutes? I think, you know, just the crowd always seemed like dad, the family oriented. I mean, they all wanted, I was a clip in the documentary. And my dad said, like why wouldn't his dad want me to win the Heisman? Like, you know, I think he was crucified for like wanting me to be so successful. And like as a father, you want your kids to do right. You know, so I think just ready to people around me, like everybody poured into me. They wanted the best for me. So I think sometimes that came off to aggressive. You know, for Jeff Tefer who we kind of got over our heartaches, of our relationships, my dad really had a bad relationship with him towards the end.

18:26We was at a move passive, but I think the documentary shows the temptation that everybody wanted the best for me. And sometimes that wasn't the best sake for the team at the time. So I think that played a big part because everybody wanted me to go to NFL. We're going to do three years. We out. We going to the NFL. And like, you know, I think coach Toast Tefer was like, you know, it was a little too much for him at the time. What was your draft like night again? I know this is all part of the documentary. And it's all been documented again by your brother who was a director, right? And he's training his camera on you ever since. Sure. Basically came out of the womb. Definitely. But what was draft night like for you? Man, draft night was hard. I think, you know, being projected anywhere from 15th to the end of the first round. And then sitting back that year was very unique because there was no players. I mean, no, I received was taking it in the first round that year, which I don't think it's probably ever happened. So, uh, nothing anymore. I know, right? Yes. A lot of electric fire. Seriously. So for me, it was, it was hard because it was, it was one of those things where I kind of knew that my grade was a first round pick. And I know I was smaller and then really way as much.

19:27So and then the characteristics of like saying, oh, he wasn't a team player. He was selfish or, you know, he didn't work as hard as he could have worked. I think like all that mounted up to, you know, and then they said, my dad was a problem. I think, you know, it was, it was some talks that that got back from Tefer to coach Reed. So just to sit back in the first thing I hear after I, they say, you're drafting me is, I don't want to have to deal with your dad like that. That was, that was hurtful. Like that definitely was hurtful. Hmm. What was it like with Reed? What was coach Reed like? Yeah. Coach, coach Reed was a father figure. I mean, he, he understood he was from California. So he knew the temptations. He knew, you know, the different ways I was being pulled and, you know, coming up, bringing and stuff like that. So he was able to say, man, look, I know you going through stuff home. I know you got a lot of people pulling you. They want this. They want that. But at the end of the day, when you come here and you, you on this football field, you got to be focused all on football. But I was just something different about coach Reed because he understood and I think, you know, he's like a second father to me for sure. Yeah. And what was he like for you when you lost your dad? He was there. I mean, he definitely played a big part because I didn't, like, when I lost my dad,

20:27I was like me losing my bag, Mo. You know, I didn't, I didn't have that voice to, you know, string me back from, you know, when I wanted to go do the knucklehead stuff and coach Reed, like, was one of those guys he was understanding. But at the same time, he made me feel like I can go to him and talk. Like, you know, those things that I was going through at home, losing friends, you know, people going to jail, you know, going to jail for life and for murder. So it was hard for me, man. Like, I was straight from different positions and being a professional after I tell people, that's how I'm, you got to be locked in because NFL is hard. Like, being a professional after you got a work hard, you got practices, you got meetings, like, it's hard. So if you're one for them, one for the out, man, you could definitely be, you know, drawn down the wrong string. That's quarterback ever played with is, can you tell me who you think I was say first? And then I'm a, who would you say first? Yeah, who do you put on? I don't know. You would say first, but you got to put Vic in the equation. Yeah, Vic's my all time favorite. I think. I mean, yeah, some of the plays that me and Vic have done together, obviously, Donovan, Manabra's up there as well too. But yeah, I would say Vic for sure.

21:27Well, Vic put everyone in the hall of fame that first night, right? Against the Washington. Everyone's in the hall of fame. You're a ball first player of the game, man. LeRon Landriev is talking all that stuff before the game. What's he really? Well, you tell me he's going to kill me. I'm like, man, this is when football is like, you're talking like, I'm a human being. Like, I get it. You know, some of them do is, man, some of the stuff is saying on the field, but like, I think it was very personal. He's like, I'm gonna hit you so hard on my kill. I went in the locker, and I said, Andy, I said, uh, Marty Morningway, I said, gonna dial it up because that play wasn't called that first. Like, so, but all that happened before the game. I said, yeah, dial that, I'm gonna play it for the game. Bombs over back. Bombs over. Did you say something to him after? Yeah, for sure. I said, I said a whole lot to him. I said, man, you better watch what you asked for, man. He's like, he's like, you fast because he tried to dive at me and talk with me. Like, me, it went through and I'm looking. I'm so, yeah, I said this over, but if big man, he was one of them guys. Like, he'd do it so far, but he never overthrew me. Like, he will put enough touch on it where, you know, he will put it like, rock, you know, run under it.

22:29It was some guys that could never, they just thought they just had to throw it as far as they could, but I'm like, man, you got to put touch on it. You got to give me a chance to go run underneath it and Vic. He was the best doing that. If I told you that night, you're both being coaching in 2020. Very good. I would have never predicted that. I couldn't have told you there was nothing on God's Earth. Planet's Earth that I could have told you I'd have been a head coach. Like me, come on, no, I couldn't have told you that. Well, I want to dive into that in a couple more minutes here. Go deep to Dishon Jackson story available for streaming Thursday, September 24th, exclusively on Prime Video. So let's dive into the miracle of the metal lands too. Again, I know this is part of the documentary. Yes, sir. All right. Walk me through your moment as you were visualizing it. Man, what was happening? You know, it's crazy. I visualized a lot before I went on the field. Like even the night before games, I used to just always visualize, close my eyes and just think about like me scoring. And I think people don't really, you know, take initiative to how much visualizing plays and sports. It was crazy. I just left from doing an interview with Victor Cruz was on that team.

23:32Okay. And he was like, man, I never got to ask you. We've been friends for a long time. I never got to ask you that. But he was like, he was standing like 10 feet away from Cawflin. And he was like, do not, whatever you do, do not kick this ball to him. And Matt Dosh, for some reason, I didn't think he was kicking it to me. I thought he was going to kick it outside the stadium. So when he kicked it to me, it was just like, I couldn't believe he kicked it to me. Because I was antagonizing. I'm like, yeah, come on, kick me the ball. Like, pump in the mud. Like I was trying to like trick him. Like, you know, but at the end of the day, it worked to my advantage. And so ball in the air, you're thinking I cannot believe this ball. I couldn't believe it. There's nothing in life you could have told me he was going to kick it to me. For 13 seconds, 14 seconds left. So when he kicked it to me, it's like a line drive. Like I could tell he tried to kick it out of bounds, but he tried so hard it like shanked. And came right to me. It was like a direct put to me. You know, when I, when I actually received it, I fumbled. I tell people all the time I did it on purpose. Because if you see, when I fumbled, it went like two to three yards to the right of me. And like, if you know, like pun return and kick return, like the teams are supposed to be in certain lanes. Like everybody has a lane. You have to be in. So when I fumbled, it took them out their lane.

24:33So they like all like shifted like two to three yards to the right. So I stuck my foot, picked it up, stuck my foot in the ground and just, I tell people, you know, my dad passed away. It was like a year and a half after that. And I just feel like he took, he grabbed me on wings and just, you know, guided me to the end zone. No kidding. Real talk. But it's like when you walk around New York City. Oh, they can't stand me. It's two teams that when you talk about the Sean Jackson, they can't stand New York Johnson, the Dallas Cowboys. They like, we cannot stand the Sean Jackson. But I mean, still to this day, man, people like, man, you just, you upset at everything that we had going. Like, because that, you know, that year, it was going to go back to the, to the super, or whatever, to the playoffs. Obviously, can't say super. I think, oh, nine they won the Super Bowl. So that was like their second year to go back and we, we shattered that. Well, not to look past you. But the gentleman over your right shoulder. I need to get confirmation. He's a TJ Jefferson who you met before the show. Yeah. I heard Dallas Cowboy fan. Can you confirm the Sean's theory about the Cowboys? Yes, sir. Yeah.

25:34Because here's a deal when, when the Sean Watson, who we had to suffer through with the Washington football team and the Eagles. Okay. If the man would only have two catches a game, it would, again, says they would be two probably 75, 80 yard bombs. And one of them, he'd take to the house. Every single time we played him and seemed like so. So the sun Jackson, I really did not like to see one other side. You know, you know, I was going to say too. So my all time record is four catches for 210 yards versus the Cowboys. Four catches, 200, that's great. I know it's some crazy, some crazy statistics that you could probably find. But it is probably like in the 70s or 60s. So that four catches for 220, 210. That's like I heard. Yeah, it's an average of over 50 yards. Even I could do that, my half, and I'm more verbal than that. That's, you know, that that's me. So you can confirm and you can, we're getting confirmation all around. So Washington, because you played for them, is you, you know, I killed them pretty bad too. But it's crazy though. I do feel like I get a pass because when Chip Kelly and the Eagles released me,

26:35then I went to Washington and I gave the Eagles a handful of BTAs. They call it real to you know what? So I feel like it was crazy though. Yeah, those years, I think three years, and I was playing for the Washington, at the time there was the Redskins. I had like the most yards versus the Eagles. I think I had like over like 14, 1500 yards and like like four or five games. It's crazy. And I was mad as heck. I'm like every time I get a chance to play versus Chip Kelly, I'm a, I can't say what I want to say. I was out of my thinking. Yeah, that sort of thing against Chip. I used to go to the sidelines to see them on the sides to be talking all types of here. If you ever talk to him, he'll probably see it. Man, what just went to the challenge? I can tell you when he walked by or when he was on the field, I was so mad at that dude. But you know you let me learn. You forgive people, but yeah, that was, that was hurtful. Maybe you should schedule north Western on your other way or stay scheduled. Because that's where he's at right now. That's where he is right now coordinating the offense there. They got a lot more resources than that stuff, but I ain't turning down no phase.

27:38Hey resources, I think you put on a pedal stool, man. That's kind of for a phase, but yeah, maybe in the next stop. Let's talk about coaching right now. Who came to you with the idea and did you need, did you, were you, were you flattered, surprised? Like what was your emotion about being offered a coaching? Yeah, so how it came about was actually my first year, and when I retired after the 2022, 23 season, I sat around for a whole year and didn't do nothing. It took my kids to school just enjoying the life. Because I feel like, you know, I deserved it. But after that year, I was like, man, I've been sitting on this couch. I got to get off my butt and go figure something out. You know, my brother at the time was a head coach in high school for 30 plus years. Travis Clark was my assistant head coach and deep as a coordinator at Delaware State now. Just going out gone off the couch and I went to go coach for them. I was, that was my first year of coaching. And I just fell in love with it after the first week when all these guys are star-struck and all the players, like, oh my god, the sound of giants coaching me. Like I could just see like everything I was pouring into them. How much you made a difference.

28:38And, you know, I just, I just really fell in love with coaching. And in our first year or in my first year of coaching, we took a team that's never been to the championship in the first year. We took them over 100 years. We took them to the championship game and we lost in the championship game. And then like literally two weeks later, I get a phone call from Delaware State. Hey, we're looking for a celebrity. Big time NFL retired coach to be a head coach. The Shawn just came up and I was like, nah, because you know, all those years playing like in NFL and college, like I saw how much time my coach has spent at the city. And I'm like, I played 15 years, not to retire, that goes be in the facility for 12, 15 hours a day. So I was like, nah. So the first two, three times they asked me, I declined it. Yes. Then I called coach, I called coach Reed, Shawn McVeigh and Deon Sanders. And I was like, man, what do you think I would be as a head coach? And they gave me nothing but like positive influence. And I said, you know what I'm going to give it a try. And that's how this came about. By the way, to call Andy Reed, Shawn McVeigh and Deon Sanders, as an ability for you to pick people's brains.

29:39Yeah. That's pretty blessed, don't you think? I mean, I mean, I was honestly, I just shows the relationship I have with them. And all three of them actually like talk to the athletic director and the president of the university and like basically wrote me like a recommendation letter because they was asking because I didn't have no experience coaching. So I had to like get something from them and they all basically gave me nothing but flowers. And I was just appreciative to be able to call on those cobbler eyes with the caliber of their names. It just made me feel great. I love it because while you were playing, you know, I was working on NFL Network with him. Yes, sir. And you know, he would know the game inside and out, obviously. Marshall Falk too. Yeah, they're both coaches. Sure. Right. And but Deon would and you saw Chris when you were watching games with him when somebody would make a bonehead move. Mm-hmm. He would scream, cut him. Cut him. Right. Right. That's what he would scream at the screen to Shawn. Yeah. Cut him. Before he gets back to the hole. Before he gets back to the huddle. Before he gets back to the side. Before he gets back to the side. Yeah.

30:40Is what he would say. And then when he starts doing his truth, you know, he starts coaching in Texas. I'm thinking to myself, all right, that's interesting that somebody that would scream, cut him. Right. It's coaching now. Right. And look at him now. Yeah. Marshall Eddie George. Is Ed Reed doing it? I know he was talking about it. He was. I don't know if he took a road. So what do you say about people like, oh, well, you're not paying dues or you just getting a gig, right? Like, but what do you say about like, because you see it in basketball where players can get a coaching gig, like kind of faster. Yeah. Then football players. Well, I just think it's really a great opportunity to be able to give guys that have a lot of credibility. And when I say credibility, it just knows the game. The ins and outs from being a player to being able to relate to a player. You know, you have no disrespect to coaches that hasn't played, but you have coaches that don't know what it's like to take a hit. They don't know what it's like to go on the field and, you know, build those relationships and being in positions where you know, like, you know, in this scenario, I'm going to have to do this because I played the game.

31:40And I think for me, that's the relate where I have with my players, where I'm able to connect to them. And I'm able to get a little more out of them. Because I'm telling them things that I know for sure. Like, I did this wrong. I did this right. Like, you want to go to the NFL? This is what they're looking for. So for a player, man, and for me, there was a lot of coaches. And I ain't going to say names, but like, I didn't like. And I didn't. Oh, I think you already said. But it was one that I couldn't relate. You just checked the tape. I'll throw a red challenge right on that one, but keep going. I was just certain coaches that I couldn't relate to. And it was for a reason. But the coaches that I did relate to was because they understood me as a player, as a person. And some things don't have nothing to do with X's and those. It's just like, what you're going through at home, you know, I may have lost somebody or I may have got a phone call that I'm going through and I'm stressed out. But here it is, I got to go to work. Some coaches that could read you may know, I may not be able to yell at him today because he just received a phone call. He's going through something at home. So to peel back layers and they being in his position where I can relate to my players. And I feel like I get more from him because they understand that the things I'm telling them,

32:43I'm not just yelling a shout out to you because I want to. Like I'm doing this for a greater cause. And being able to get or hire coaches that have been able to go through all different types of walks. And now you're able to motivate at an HBCU is just like, I think that's where you've got to start at. And you know, for me, I'm just blessed to be able to have this opportunity because and it's not even about going to the NFL. Like if I can help these kids be fathers, sons, you know, walk across the stage and get a degree. I mean, that's bigger than anything a life I think. But what would your dad say if he just told you say that? Man, he would probably be teeth thoughts and turning probably. And he's not in the grave because he was cremated. But I think he's proud, man. I think, you know, just to see everything we went through to meet me, be a father. Now somebody asked me earlier like, like, how would I fill up on my dad? And like, it don't, I ain't gonna say it hurts. But like it gives me a sauce pie because my kids weren't able to meet him. I just feel like, man, if they would have been able to meet him and, you know, how much he would have been able to love because my dad was a lover, man.

33:45Like he, he took so many kids up under his wing that didn't have fathers. And he was always open like, you want food? I'm gonna give you food. If you want that heart, that tough love, I'm gonna give it to you. And, you know, my dad was one of those guys. That's why I'm so, it was hard for me to say no to people. And it's hard for me to turn my back on people because of that. So when you're coaching, have you caught yourself and say that sounds like somebody? Myself. Yes. Oh, okay. I'm trying to tell them to not do certain things. And I see myself do everything they did. So it's like a two-fold, but I feel like it's great because now I'm able to say, you know, if I would have did this different, I probably would have had that much more success. Because I had a successful career, but I still feel like there was a lot of things that I probably didn't get credit for because I did things my way. And, you know, some coaches probably felt like they couldn't control me or I didn't listen. But, you know, looking back at it now, it's like, man, maybe if I were to just listen to a little more or maybe if I would have worked a little harder and working out or lifting weights, but I mean, you can't go back in time, but you can tell the youth. You can tell the up and coming future that like, look, I did this wrong.

34:48If you could do this right, just imagine what you could be. All right. Last one for you, Dishon Jackson. You already heard you love beating the giants, love beating the Cowboys. Yes, sir. Okay, and you loved laying it on the Eagles when you were with Washington. Yeah. Well, you also laid it on when you were with the Eagles. Sure. I think I got that on. Yeah, you got that right. Who wins the NFC East this year? Hmm, it's a good question. I only asked those. Wow. It's hard for me. I don't, man. I can't say the Cowboys. I feel like they have a good team and they've struggled. I mean, he was probably alive when they won a Super Bowl, but he was young. Okay, I was a long time ago. It was like in the 90s. But I still remember him. It was great. Man, I can't go against my Eagles, man. It's going to be tough. I'll be lost, AJ Brown and, you know, McCoy Limon's got to step up. Well, everyone lays everything in theirertourch's face. He's a heck of a quarterback. He's a winner, man. People could talk all he want. He's proving winner. I can't say he's more winner percent. I mean, he probably has. Is he winner percentage more than that? Press government. You want to look that up, Chris? Press. Because listen, bottom line. Man, I just love how Hertz has been betting on himself, right?

35:52His whole journey is unique as it gets. He loses his gig to two of sticks around still. Gets Alabama where they need to go before he leads to Oklahoma. He does what he puts himself on the Heisman podium there. He gets drafted in Philadelphia. Everyone's wondering why the hell he's there. Then he goes there. And at two biggest games of anybody's lives, he balled out. He could have been the MVP of the Super Bowl. He lost. Not until the end of the read. I was going to say that for sure. You know what I'm saying? The heck of a chance. I mean, it was up in that game. What is with Philadelphia? It's a tough place. You know that. Come on. It's a tough place to play. Don't I don't two-fold? Because you know, it's a tough Philadelphia. You got to have thick skin, man. Even when you're doing well in a game and you do something wrong in a game, you're going to get booed. I've never been in a part of a game where you getting shared and then you get booed in the same sense. It's like it's like crazy to me. But I would just say this, man, like the Eagles are the Eagles. And I think they're the best team in the NFC East. I don't think Washington. I don't think the Giants are going to be able to win that. If anything, our party said the Cowboys, but I can't say the Cowboys.

36:54But that's why I wanted to know the question. Jack is a winner. But guess what? He's not a winner in the playoffs. Yeah, Jack wins 59% of his games. J. One hurts 69%. Hey, so there you have it. You could say Dallas. No, I could. I could, but I'm not because it's just. It's just me and my heart. Like you know, I bleed green. Like if I was your fuel, but I'm going to see green coming on my veins. You know, so I respect that. But your guy, your guy, McVeigh, seems to have the best team. Would you agree with that? Yeah, man. Yeah, McVeigh, man, he figured out a way to always do it. But coming back, Aaron Donald, like, that's tough, man. My was Garrett and Aaron Donald, like on the same team. Like, how are you going to block that? You ain't got enough blocks. You're going to have to be a heavy set formation. Pretty much. It's pretty much. What a pleasure to catch up with you. No, for sure. You know, it's been a while. Can we, can we race? I want to race you in the 40, man. Oh, I love that. You think you can be me right now? Absolutely not. What if I gave you like a 10-yard history? No, great question. Great question.

37:55Yes. So I run a 30, you run a 40. Yeah, let's go. You know, Dion once, as Leon, remember the Leon's San Castle character that he played for the NFL Network commercials with the Afro and everything like that? Yeah. Mustache. He wants, uh, stride for stride, ran with me doing my 40 backwards. Wow. And then he turned around and beat me to the rest of the, and that's the backwards. That's crazy. How long ago does it? Oh gosh. 10 years ago. 10 years ago. It's been a while. Yeah, so I run a 30, you run a 40. Let's do this next year for charity. Let's do it. I will reach out to you. I would love to, I would love to get you involved. Let's do it. What's your time? We're out of time. Look at the clock. Oh, we gotta go. Let's get out of here. We ain't gonna go out of here. Let's get out of here. I think you can find it if we want to go. It's called Go Deep. The Sean Jackson story will be available again streaming Thursday, September 24th exclusively on Prime Video, best of luck to you in Delaware State, sir. Sure, man. Great to see you. That's the Sean Jackson right here on the Rich Island show. We're back to rap.

38:55Oh, there's got the poster right here. Right. The poster. Let's get it, man. I like the saying. Check it out. Oh, gotta have you sign that and leave it here. If you don't mind. Yes, sir. Sean Jackson right here on the Rich Island show. The podcast. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It'd be on. Well, it's on. Okay. Yesterday was one of the greatest days at the US Open. I can remember. Oh, it had an amazing field to it.

40:00The the women's matches were intense. They went deep. Sabalenko survives, Pagula survives. The Pagula match lasted so long. Shelton Ben Shelton and Carlos Alcarez did not get on to the court. They got pushed over two hours to they got out there shortly before 11 a 11 PM Easter. Oh, well, yeah, I like that. And they played a five-setter. An absolute classic. Um, Ben Shelton is the first American to beat Carlos Alcarez in a major. First time Carlos Alcarez was 13 and 0 against Americans in major competition. And he came out and he won that first set in the tie break. And then Shelton won the next two. And I'll be honest with you, that's when I had I had I had the sack. I had shut I. Well, it also looked like Alcarez, you know, this is first tournament back after missing, you know, lunch with the injury. And it looked like he had kind of hit the wall and that, you know,

41:00it was kind of Shelton's time and his moment to really take him down. And then, you know, he's the best player of the world for a reason. He's won all those majors for a reason. Alcarez dipped into the bag won the next two. And then we get an epic fifth set. Five five six six tie break goes to the tie breaker. Man, and Ben Shelton finally came out on top. Service won the last two points to win 10 seven. His last serve was 146 miles an hour. Unreal. At 330 in the morning. Speak, tacky. Speak tacky. And then one of the points, I believe it was in the, in the second set first set tie break, it was something for the agent. Unbelieveable. Please see the highlights. And the the call of Fowler and Mackinar is great as it gets. And so Ben Shelton is going to be taking on Francis Tiofo in the semifinal, which means

42:02an American man, an American male of color is going to play in the US Open finals for the first time since Arthur Rashed did it in the 70s. And it's going to be in the stadium named after Arthur. Hey, it's awesome. Very cool. It's going to be unreal on Sunday. Friday night, by the way, is when the semifinal. Yeah. Ben plays such a violent. Oh my god. He's almost sitting at buck 50 on his serves. It's just I've never really seen somebody play tennis with that type of reach. Just power. I mean, he's 64, you know, 205, chiseled. On really Rodman there the whole night like cheer them on. So great. So great. So cool. It was just dynamite. 330, 3 in the morning is when it ended. All I could think was rich. Really thinks he could point off of this. That's what I thought. I literally that's the way I was going to finish this segment is I looked at him. I think Alcarazza's vulnerable. Never had a cheese. Just taking the 330 in the morning. I can do that. Yeah.

43:03Oh, yeah. I can do that. I'm on Sunday. Easy. I can do that. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eyes and Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eyes and Show live weekdays from noon to three Eastern only S.B. and Radio Disney plus and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eyes and Show. The Podcast.