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I lifted some spirits.

I had big day Ray, one of our producers here.

Go get some burritos, breakfast burritos.

We call them loser retos because we lost the sports Emmy nomination this morning.

Nick Wright, kind enough to break the news to me in a text message saying,

hey, we got nominated and I realized we didn't get nominated.

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I'm really happy for you.

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this great audience here.

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We'll check in with Carolina Sports, Hubert Davis getting fired.

Syracuse introduces Jerry McNamara, baseball opening night.

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Multi-award nominated.

This one's from Paul, which is closer to competitive golf.

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That's a segue into North Carolina sports.

Scott Fowler back with us.

Charlotte observer sports columnist.

Lickson, worst shape.

Carolina basketball, Carolina football.

Well, Dan, first of all, you're nominated in my book.

Absolutely.

Thank you, Scott.

Thank you.

Sorry, I'm not getting any of those burritos, but I think the answer to that question is clear.

85% of those people are indeed right.

It's football is worse off.

I mean, whoever they hire here as a, you know,

is the basketball coach.

This is remains one of the five best jobs in college sports.

And I have confidence that the program will return to some prominence.

But right now, it's obviously lost some luster.

Really has.

How did that happen?

You know, I think that's a good question.

Gradually, and then all at once, I think.

It became, after Roy left, they have not quite figured out how to sustain it.

You know, Hubert Davis had a great first year.

And the last four years have been sort of trying to recapture that magic.

And the last, these two first round exits in a row.

And in today's environment, I don't think this would have happened 20 years ago.

I don't think you get fired for something like this.

And make no mistake.

He was ousted.

This was not Hubert, you know, a party in other ways.

This was Hubert wanted to stay.

But yeah, I think in today's climate, it's very, you know, a lot of impatience,

a lot of donors and boosters with a lot of influence.

And that's where we are.

And you're measured by the school eight miles down the road.

And they made a seamless transition from their Hall of Fame coach to John Shire.

They've come up with incredible recruiting classes here.

So having that the proximity, if I'm a donor, a booster, a collective,

I'm only measuring North Carolina.

I don't measure North Carolina with anybody else in America only with Duke.

That's a tough comparison, Scott.

Absolutely.

I think you're right on the money there, Dan.

If Duke was in New York or something, you know, it doesn't, it's not the same.

But because that is the blue blood rivalry to end all rivalries around here.

And Duke has been so darn good and they're good again.

And they might win another championship.

And plus, Dan, they seem to have employed the best player and employ literally.

Employ the best player in America.

Like now it's been two years in a row with Cooper Flag and Booser.

And Carolina had one of those players.

And if Caleb Wilson hadn't gotten hurt, not sure that Hubert Davis would have,

this would have happened.

But it did.

I was at the game in Greenville when they blew the 19 point lead.

And even then, I was in that post game press conference and asked one of those questions too.

And, well, it was, it was bad news.

One of the, one of the low points of press conferences I've ever seen.

And let me give you what information I got this morning from a source saying,

I don't imagine Billy Donovan is in play, nor Brad Stevens.

Tommy Lloyd, Arizona, Josh shirts at St. Louis, make sense.

My source also threw in Michael Malone feels like a super creative, capable option as well.

Nate Oates feels like he's not controlling his situation.

Todd Golden appears to be possessed by spirits when he coaches.

What do you, what do you make of that information?

Well, it's a lot of fun to speculate right now.

I can't tell you I know anything about really who, where they're going to go next.

Except, and I wrote this today in our, in my Charlotte observer column,

it's got to be outside the family, Dan.

There is no Roy Williams waiting in the wings inside the Carolina blue umbrella.

You have to expand, and all the people you're talking about are, you know, not in the, really, in the umbrella.

But people always are like, oh, only, you know, I went to UNC.

I don't need to have a UNC coach, you know, somebody who knows where the old well is.

You just need to be able to win, and you have to be able to beat Duke,

and you have to get out of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament every single year.

Scott Fowler, Charlotte observer, sports columnist.

How involved is Michael Jordan in the basketball program?

I don't think terribly involved.

I mean, he can of course step in and, and help and be involved anytime he wants to be.

But my conversations with Michael, and I've seen a fair amount of him

because he's so involved in his NASCAR team right now.

He was in, you know, he won the big NASCAR trial here in Charlotte in December.

And that was one four of six races in NASCAR.

I mean, that is, that is where a lot of his focus lies.

He wants them to get it right, obviously.

But I don't think Michael Jordan is the man behind the curtain pulling the strings here.

Haven't heard much about Bill Bellacek in Carolina football.

Is that a good thing?

That's probably good.

Yeah.

Okay.

They finished okay, didn't they?

I mean, I guess it wasn't an abject disaster by the end.

But they were still about four and eight.

I think I'm remembering that record right.

You know, the funny thing is they open spring practice yesterday.

And then Hubert got fired at night, the same, very same day.

They'll probably be a little better.

I think Bellacek has, is going to learn from some mistakes there.

But that's one where I just, you know, I just don't know that that's honestly going to work out long term.

Yeah.

I was wondering what is long term.

Yeah.

I mean, I think he's got one more year for sure.

And then probably a third.

And then it better be right at that point.

But if they went two and ten this year, all bets are off.

But if they're six and six, which may be a more like what it's going to be,

I think he gets a third year.

Is he getting married?

I don't know, Dan.

If so, I'm not invited.

Okay.

I'm being either.

Thank you, Scott.

Thanks for joining us.

Great to see you again.

Great to see you.

Thank you.

That's Scott Fowler, Charlotte observer sports columnist.

And of course, my nickname, courtesy of Chris Berman, when I first got to ESPN,

was the Charlotte observer.

Still incredible that I get there.

And my boss says, I want you to watch for three months.

I go three months.

And that's why I'd come in and I'd say I'm just observing.

And then Chris Berman called me the Charlotte observer.

And then I went to my boss after probably two weeks.

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I'm good right now.

Alright, some phone calls here.

Ivan in Florida.

Ivan, what's on your mind today?

Dan, you guys are not part of the machine, Dan.

You guys don't sell out.

You guys are the rebels of radio.

That's why you guys didn't get nominated.

And if you guys were nominated, you guys would not attend your ceremony.

That's not true.

We would, it's open bar.

Yeah.

Ivan.

Now, if you had to pay, then we might not go.

But open bar.

Yeah.

Don't want to miss that.

Kyle and Iowa.

Hi, Kyle.

Yeah, morning, guys.

Thanks for taking my call.

First time caller.

Long time, listen.

6-5-245.

Just kind of curious with the Hubert Davis news.

And obviously nothing has come out except for Twitter rumours or ex rumours, whatever.

Social media rumours about possibly the retirement of Bill Stealth at Kansas.

Just kind of curious with you guys would thank two blue blood programs.

Obviously have close connections with Dean Smith and Roy Williams and stuff like that.

If both job opportunities came open at the same time, just kind of curious what you guys thought

would be the better job or the better dream job.

I think it's a great question.

I would say Kansas, because it feels like Kansas is not compared to anybody.

Because Carolina is compared to Duke and vice versa.

And if you're Carolina right now, you're losing that battle in more ways than one.

With Kansas, you're a standalone.

They're both great jobs.

But Kansas, it feels like you're in the air, you know, in your area.

Now, Nebraska and Iowa are more consistent powers.

But Kansas has been there every year, year in and year out.

Yes, Mark.

When it comes to college basketball, Kentucky, Kansas and North Carolina,

are they the bluest of the blue bloods where they've been consistently a threat for the past 75 years?

Yeah, I would think so.

It's rare.

It's a bigger story when they're not competitive than when they are.

We're just so used to it.

Brian and Milwaukee, hi, Brian, what's on your mind today?

Hey guys, my condolences on the not nomination to all of you guys are the best.

And, you know, being on local television for almost 30 years, I know the lows of not being nominated.

But I also know the highs of being nominated and winning.

Yes, I have some of those golden statues.

And there's a sitting on my desk.

So I would like to give you one to put into man cave.

You can etch out, you know, best weatherman, whatever.

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I would love to send you one for the man cave.

Brian, that would be great.

We'll put you on hold and Tyler will give you the information.

I'd be more than happy.

Bob Costas gave me a sports Emmy a couple of years ago.

He had, I think he had one line around.

He's just open beer cans.

He's like, uh, yeah, I got one for you.

I said, all right.

And then Bob showed up that day.

That's still one of those.

Wait, Bob's got a Texas longhorn baseball hat on.

He's drinking beers with us in the bar.

And he surprised me.

Because I, of course, lost another sports Emmy.

That time I got nominated.

And Bob won.

Bob goes, you're going to have it.

So I have it here somewhere.

Yeah, Paul.

We got him.

He didn't take that back.

I didn't want him to take it back.

It's like when Darious Rutgers sent me his Grammy.

I kept that for years until somebody from the Grammys voting committee sold on the show.

And they said to Darious, you better get that back or you'll never get another Grammy.

And so we had to, we had to overnight the Grammy to Darious.

I mean, it was serious.

Because I kept going, oh, come on.

There was some Terce language directed at Darious.

I don't think he's won another Grammy since then, but he got his, his great.

He had it by his, his nightstand.

And I said, dude, nobody's seeing that.

Let me have your hoodie in the blowfish, Grammy.

And he sends it.

We were proudly displaying him.

Carson Palmer.

He sent us his Heisman.

And then wanted it back.

Yeah, Paulie.

We're 0 for 6 at the sports Emmys.

We got an email saying, if we were a band, like what would be the band we're like,

where we didn't win any awards, but we've had a long run.

And so I looked up the most Grammy nominations by an artist or band without a win.

Grammys.

Okay.

Take a guess.

Who wants to guess?

Modern guy, very popular.

Well, plays an artist or a band?

Artist.

Oh, an artist.

Give you a couple of hints.

Snoop Dogg is second all time, 17 nominations, no wins.

Derks family has 15 nominations.

Katy Perry has 13.

Diana Ross 13.

And no wins.

None.

Okay.

This person, six nominations, no wins.

This person has 18 Grammy nominations and is over.

Oh.

It has like Drake one.

I don't have Drake on my list, so I think he may have.

Prince?

No.

Current active artist.

Okay.

Current active artist.

Here's the hint.

We all saw him.

Post Malone.

Post Malone.

0 for 18.

Damn.

Post Malone.

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Hey.

Who?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Would you do one?

Seaton, would you tattoo your face?

Would you put a tattoo on your face?

For a sports Emmy.

For a sports Emmy.

Sure.

How about a tattoo of a sports Emmy?

On your face.

Right under my eye.

Yeah.

Like a tear drop?

Yeah.

People have to get close.

What is that right there?

It's a sports Emmy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would do that.

All right.

I'm about we took one.

Post Malone once went over eight in one night.

Yeah.

That'd be rough.

That'd be tough.

That's Timmy Shalamay.

Right there.

Actually, he didn't go over eight.

The movie went, I think, over eight.

Marty Supreme didn't win anything.

I don't think Marty Supreme won anything.

I think it was nominated for eight.

Yeah.

That number might be off.

But he was nominated for several.

Many, many of that movie was.

All right.

Let me take a break.

He is Mel Kuiper draft expert.

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just like they build you up, then they bring you down.

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I just got this before we get to Mel Kuiper.

Men's basketball operating revenue for Kansas.

$21, almost $22 million.

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We make way from Mel Kuiper draft expert

you can see him the NFL draft daily

and the mock draft.

Dropping on Tuesday April 14th,

great to see you again, Mel.

Give me the one thing that would make you change your opinion.

Now that no games are played,

leading up to the draft,

but what information changes

where you slot somebody in the draft?

Dan, for us we're great to be with you as always.

I think the only thing you want to wait on is guys

that didn't do much at the combine

that would they do during their pro days.

Anything you hear from an interview,

anything you hear about an injury late then

could alter some things.

Certainly at this stage of the game,

you better know who can play and who can't play.

It's all those little things that you could tweak it with.

I'm coming up in another week with a top 150.

I do that every year.

And those rankings,

you'll lose some sleep over and down at the end of the day.

So many players in this draft are within a range

where you could go one way or the other.

You're always splitting hairs.

It's one of those drafts where, you know,

it's a lot of mixed opinion.

And there's very few positions

where you have tremendous depth in the day three.

But wide receiver is one of those.

And it's kind of separate 45 receivers

and in a draft will grades is not easy.

But what is the one thing though

that separates wide receivers?

Well, in this particular draft,

when you look at the guys that have the production

and the consistency,

you got to catch the ball.

And I understand people say,

hey, you always have a couple of drops

that are concentration drops.

Who catches the football?

And you also have to weigh in.

What was responsible for that?

And you look at a Zachariah branch

who I love.

He went to the gate to the gauntlet.

He caught the ball at the combine.

So effortlessly,

but say, well, he had a couple of dry.

He's a bubble screen guy.

He didn't throw the ball down the field.

So it's how you view projecting a college player, Dan,

into the NFL.

And if you remember back,

not that long ago,

Zave Flowers, Jordan Addison,

Jackson Smith, and Jigbo,

who's a player of the year,

Quentin Johnson,

they were all first runners.

There were some experts that

none of them deserve to be in the first round.

So all four turns,

three to four turn,

that'd be great.

So at the end of the day,

a mixed opinion reigns supreme,

this year more than other day.

And the other day,

and I can never remember,

because there's so many guys

with very similar grades.

And one little bit of information

can swing it one way or the other.

Is Fernando Mendoza a great story?

Or a great quarterback?

Or both?

I think it's both.

I think it's a great story.

He's a great quarterback

to see him.

What he did at Cal,

to watch him.

And I did the other day.

I went back to Sachs that he took.

And it was like 41 Sachs at Cal.

And he goes to Indiana.

He knows he has to improve on that.

And he did.

So that extra year at college

really benefited him

from that standpoint, Dan.

Layton plays.

How consistent he was,

making the right decision.

Layton of play was outstanding.

The way he did under pressure in games,

they would say,

well, they won in some cake walks, right?

They didn't against Penn State.

They didn't against Argon.

There were games that were hotly contested.

He had to make plays late.

I was defense will frustrate the hell out of you, Dan.

They really will.

Phil Parker does a great job.

Look what they did against Dante.

More.

Yeah, you think about quarterbacks against Iowa.

And again, he did what he had to do late in that game.

So for me, he answered every question

that you had from Cal to Indiana.

Because then we had great talent.

We'll go into the year.

I know Omar Cooper Jr.

could be a first round receiver.

Elijah Serrat's a good,

probably a third round receiver.

Roman Hemie came from Maryland.

Did a good job run to ball and Kaelin Black.

Did a good job as well,

being at one, two punch.

But for me, Fernando Mendoza,

for what he did from start to finish with the pressure.

And then the playoffs, Dan,

eight touchdown pass with no picks

and a rushing touchdown.

And he was at 75%

in the three biggest games of the year at the end of the season.

If you were drafting him on what you saw at Cal, not Indiana,

where would Mendoza go?

Well, he probably, you know,

going into the year,

he hoped he would improve him.

He would just come out here for the Cal year.

You probably would have been thinking maybe

because of the talent that he had.

He showed what he could do at Cal.

Even what he had,

some situations that weren't benefiting the quarterback

and he had to deal with.

I'm talking about pressure from the defense of front.

He still probably would have been a second round pick,

late first round pick.

So he was a guy that people thought.

I'm some people in the NFL.

My friends in the league, Dan, thought back in August.

He could be a guy to keep a close eye on it.

But there were other guys.

I don't remember.

Arch Madden being the number one pick,

guaranteed.

You know, you're talking about Sam Levitt coming off

that great year at Arizona State,

North and North sellers at South Carolina.

Tons of quarterbacks were talked about a lot more

than Ty Simpson from Alabama.

And certainly Fernando Mendoza from Indiana.

And now all of a sudden, got Mendoza's number one

of my big board, Dan.

And Ty Simpson's 25 won my big board.

Okay.

That's a big disparity.

One to 25.

Dan Orlovsky loves him.

Some Ty Simpson.

What is Orlovsky seeing that maybe you're not seeing?

Yeah.

I know Dan what he explained it.

And I just went back away.

I would counter that.

You say, okay.

You know, the factors that you have to look at closely.

You know, who's the bigger quarterback?

Four inches nearly.

Four inches taller, 25 pounds heavier.

You think about the experience, Dan.

Fifteen starts as a dangerous risky number for Ty Simpson.

Look at the, look at the, you know,

the seven eight quarterbacks that had below 20 starts.

And look how they fared.

Not well.

And so again, that's a risky number.

Fernando has 35 starts, Dan.

He had a completion rate of 72%.

Ty was around 64%.

Seven rushing touchdowns for Fernando 2 for Simpson.

So you talk about accuracy.

You talk about decision making.

You talk about being able to see the field.

Feeling with pressure.

How about expectations, Dan?

When you're an Indiana quarterback and you roll through the year

and you get to the playoffs,

everybody's saying,

after what happened last year, okay?

When, you know, Indiana had a great regular season.

They lose the Notre Dame.

Well, let's see if Indiana can finish the job.

Now they're playing big time opponents.

He did that with all that pressure.

Then he wins the Heisman.

Then he has to go win a national title, right?

He always talked about cracking the code.

And he is obsessed with that.

He kind of has that patent manning ability in that regard.

It just be so into what he's doing.

And study it so hard.

He's got a little mat Ryan in him.

So I think if you look at comps,

it would be kind of a patent manning mat Ryan comp

for Fernando Mendoza.

Dan explained that I don't agree.

Everybody has their pen.

I was big one.

Should or Sanders last year.

And I thought should or played well this year.

We'll see how it plays out for Ty Simpson.

I think that was with 15 starts.

Should or at 60.

Fifteen starts.

You need to have a chance to transition to the NFL.

Another year at Alabama,

I think would have helped him.

He had five straight games,

Dan, where he had a fumble lost.

And then he had another fumble loss,

which was a six against Indiana and the playoff game.

And he got hit by the Angelo Ponds and cracked that rib.

So those are at an area he could have improved upon.

He gets sacked.

He coughed up.

Can't do that in the NFL.

Where you're expected, Dan, the NFL.

And you guys know it.

You talk about every week.

Guys, the bad game.

What happened?

He's not playing well.

You were scrutinized.

You are picked apart.

And you're expected to play at a consistently high level

every week in the NFL.

And you don't get a free path because you're

rookie or second in your quarterback in this league.

They will chew you up and spit you out

before you can blink.

You better be prepared to deal with that mental part

as opposed to the physical part.

And then those who went back got another year improved

in that key area.

Ty Simpson.

I think needed another year.

He's not going to get it.

So you better be patient with Ty Simpson and realize

to force him in this year's a rookie.

And they all do, Dan.

They all are going to play.

And maybe asking a little too much.

If Archmaning was available in this draft.

Whew.

You know, that's a tough question.

That's a very difficult question because of what

you expect Arch to be this coming year based on the talent

the way he can run together.

But he's got to improve that accuracy and the decision

of all the things that another year is going to bend.

I was so happy.

That's why I never put him on the one big board, Dan.

I never put him in anything.

Because I said he's got to go back.

Archie said that back in August.

Don't put him in.

He needs another year.

So the expectations and the struggles back.

Remember when the year everybody was building up to be

to try fact that Dan.

He was going to win a Heismatrophy.

He was going to be the number one pick in the draft.

And he was going to lead the Texas to a national title.

Are you kidding me?

Really?

That's what you're going to put on his shoulders.

And he didn't accomplish that.

So again, now he's going back.

So it had it gone the way expected.

He'd been clear cut number one guy, Dan.

For one talent.

But he didn't have that kind of year.

It was uneven.

Started out pretty bad.

And then it got better.

And you saw glimpses of God.

He's going to be the guaranteed number one pick this coming year.

But to say, you know, assume that was going to happen.

It didn't happen.

It didn't come together.

So he'd have been right there with Mendoza.

And I think that's minimizing how good Fernando is, Dan.

When you say automatically, put Archie ahead of Mendoza.

It's not a force.

He's not up there because he's a quarterback.

And the Raiders have to take a quarterback.

Mendoza is there because he earned it.

And he's got a lot of talent.

And when you got Combs, the Paceman and Matt Ryan.

That tells you all you need to know.

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I fell in love with Jeremiah Love when I saw him in person.

And I know I think you have him as your second highest rated player behind Mendoza.

I know that the philosophy is don't take a running back up that high.

But I have somebody who is unique and different than anybody else.

It feels like in the draft.

I just don't I don't understand that that if I'm Tennessee.

I mean, I got to have that guy.

I can't go.

Oh, I got to worry about a second contract.

The NFL was about now in the next two years.

It feels like with these guys and coaches.

So why wouldn't he go?

Well, how high do you think Jeremiah Love will go and should go?

Dan, you know, who's responsible for that philosophy?

I am.

Right?

That was the philosophy that started 25 years ago.

And I got screened that.

Screened that.

Yo, that.

Told all kind of stuff.

And I really believe that back in those days, you could.

I've kind of come around.

And I come around.

But I'm agreeing with you on this point.

He's more than a running back.

He were not a great receiving option.

I'd be saying no.

No, no.

He has not multidimensional enough.

But as a receiving option, I'm talking about swing passes, screen passes.

Dan, check down.

So I'm talking about putting out the slot, putting wide.

He can do that.

So for me, because he's so more than just a running back, he is worthy of being the second pick,

third picked Arizona, fourth picked the Tennessee, seventh picked the Washington,

wherever it may be.

And so for me, yes, Christian McCaffrey, say for Washington, came there,

you know, came to the 49ers, right?

And look what he's done for the Niners.

Christian McCaffrey.

Who was the GM? Adam Peters.

Adam Peters is at Washington.

Adam Peters had some serviceable backs, but he doesn't have a Jeremiah Love for Jane Daniels,

who's a fear factor quarterback.

He put a fear factor player weapon like Jeremiah Love with Jane Daniels.

You got something special going on there and so much for defenses to worry about.

So I'm with you on Jeremiah Love.

He's a second best player in the draft behind Mendoza for me.

Something that he's the best player in this draft.

So again, he's more than worthy of being a top four.

Certainly, if he gets down to seven, it would be almost, you know,

how long you have to wait for Washington to take that card up because that would make perfect sense for them.

NFL Hall of Fame contributors to the game.

I keep talking about you.

I never reached out to you.

But I felt this strongly about Brent Musberger and went to the Hall of Fame and wrote a letter.

You should be in the Hall of Fame one day as a contributor to the game.

I appreciate that, Dan, and I know Adam as much.

I appreciate that.

You've been great friends for all these years.

But I just feel like I don't want a part of anything.

I just want to do what I do.

Joe Bushbound was there before me.

Joe was great.

Lake Ray Joe Bushbound started this a long time ago.

There are plenty of other people doing this before me.

I just got an opportunity for me.

Yes, be in to take it to the entire world and be somebody that was talking about the draft on television radio and end the dot com

and all the different entities we do it on.

So it is something that, you know, I will say stand one thing I did get right was how pop your the draft would be.

When everybody was fighting against the ESPN, don't televised it.

Nobody wants to hear names called.

Everybody was fighting against me.

Why is anybody watching the draft?

Why does anybody care what Kiper says?

I dealt with that hostility, negativity, and hate up until really the early 2000s, Dan, when even the haters had to just shut up or jump on board.

Because they hated them.

I started this in 1978, 1979, Dan, and to be able to say the only thing I did was I survived the hate.

If I read you the scathing articles and the comments that were made from Roy, 79 up until 2000, it would say, how did you last that long?

I took a lot of hits in the pocket, Dan.

But wait, I appreciate that pal.

I certainly, I would rather avoid anything that comes my way from an individual stand because too many people at ESPN, along the way, contributed to what the draft has become.

It's the NFL, the King of all sports, and ESPN doing what they did from the get-go, recognizing what this could be, and having that vision, and then the production, and all the blood sweat and tears that went on to putting this on television.

Those guys, all guys and gals, those men and women deserve all the credit.

It sounds like an acceptance speech right there.

They'll do this to me, Dan.

But I, okay, I wrote a letter about John Fassenda.

I said he should be in the Hall of Fame, and the number of people said he's not in the Hall of Fame, and the Hall of Fame to their credit, found a way to get John Fassenda.

Oh, my gosh.

That voice, are you kidding me, Dan?

But when you talk about contributors, all those NFL films, everything that we saw, I mean, they were magical growing up.

The voices, Dan.

Yes.

The voices led us, blood me, to become, I said this to Bill Flemming.

You know, Bill Flemming, the great Bill Flemming.

When I talk, I called him specifically to tell him that.

That he, the college football today, that half an hour show where you saw games before Brent, before NFL today, right?

It's a half hour before seeing the bands at halftime.

That's what led me and let a lot of people to become in college football fans, right?

And NFL fans, and Howard Cosell, and Monday Night Football, and Don Meredith.

We turn out the lights and all the voices of college football and the NFL.

Chris Shankle, you think about Bud Wilkinson.

By the way, I took over from Bud doing the draft.

When Bud Wilkins retired, I took over that spot, right?

And you think about, like I say, Lindsey Nelson, and all the incredible voices.

Keith Jackson, that were responsible for us all becoming great college and pro football fans that we are.

So you're right, John Fesenda.

Nobody had that voice.

Nobody will ever touch that.

Thanks again.

Continue to have the passion.

That's the one thing that leaves us, I think, is we get older, the passion.

And you're as passionate as you were when I first met you, when I first got to the mothership.

So thank you again for doing what you do, Mel.

Well, in the passion to win those bands, I will walk away, Paul. I guarantee you that.

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Tuesday, April 14th.

Yeah, we pushed hard to get Brent Musberger in there and John Fesenda.

Mick Loven helped me write a letter on behalf of John Fesenda.

Jim Nance helped out with Brent Musberger.

But, you know, what Mel has done?

When you look at the big business of mock drafts, the draft itself.

I mean, three day festival.

And Mel has been front and center.

And passionate.

That's what I love.

He cares.

He cares.

And, you know what, when you bring up a name.

And sometimes we would do this just to mess with him.

We would bring up, like, fourth receiver from Oregon State.

And you go, Dan, you know, and then he would start to break down this guy.

And you realize, this is all he does.

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What's on your mind today?

Hey, guys, so I'm all in on this ME thing.

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Hi, Shuffles.

Good morning, Daniel Patrick.

I just got to say that, what,

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Lucas in Texas.

Hi, Luke.

Welcome back.

Hey, Dan.

Good morning.

Good morning.

You know, I know we're up close to the end,

but real quick, I want to follow up on the discussion about MJ,

especially with younger college kids.

I teach college freshmen,

and it's going to shock you,

but they're starting to talk about MJ,

the way you guys talk about Bob Coosie.

And I have two theories why.

It's almost like there's this disconnect.

Number one, social media.

MJ was the original human highlight,

but there are last year highlights of longer shots,

bigger dunks, things like that.

I think that that is one of the ways that people see him

is a little bit more outdated.

And second, this is my thesis.

I think that Kobe is actually going to have a longer term legacy

because this is not a,

it's weird to say that this is a benefit,

but because he died shortly after his career,

he is forever sealed as a pure basketball player,

the momentality.

I think that there's going to be something too,

the fact that he was just a great player

that's going to steal people's mind of like,

that was a top five, a top three player.

You know, that's kind of my thesis at that point.

Thank you, Luke.

He makes some really good points there.

Yes, Mark.

I also think just because Michael Jordan calls

or he tries to close the deal doesn't mean

that it's a foregone conclusion

that they're going to sign with North Carolina.

Because there's got to be a money thing too.

Okay, great, Michael Jordan called.

But he can help on both of those.

Correct.

Right.

I can help with money and it's Michael Jordan saying,

hey, I'm going to personally guarantee $3 million

for you to come to North Carolina.

They rather have Michael Jordan's money

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Well, but you can have both.

Why wouldn't you take advantage of that?

I just don't know if Mike wants to be involved in that.

I mean, it's still murky waters of,

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Until we get that year-to-year contracts,

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we still have some ways to go here.

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David and Chicago, hi, David.

Hey, guys, how you doing?

You had Chuck on the other day

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I think it's great.

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So don't let him keep you down.

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