Hour One- Balancing the NFL Draft and The Buffalo Sabres playoffs

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Maybe you need a fantasy name, Rust People, was suggested yesterday, that's the kind of

conversation we have, casual passing reference to Rust People, and maybe you'd want to name

a fantasy team that.

What do you think?

You have one?

Yeah, just the one, so no real urgency on my end, no.

And I feel like I'm still, I'm never green on that, and even the longer it goes, the

farther you get from the actual incident that coined the naming of my lone fantasy team

as tonsils gas mask, I think the better it even gets, because if I still have this team

in 10 years and people have no idea what it's in reference to, well, then they can ask

me.

Yesterday was interesting in a few ways, I had nothing, it wasn't interesting in that

respect, you didn't miss anything from me yesterday.

But Rust People is one thing we talked about, the Sabers a lot, we know that, this is

a hot time of year, we realized out loud on the fly that, or I did, I hadn't really thought

about it, that this is almost always squarely intense NFL draft season time, like this is,

it's less than a month, so I would gas that in the last several years, pretty much everything

we've done is around the draft.

And yesterday, it came up like, well, we're going to have games, and we may have a game

on, you know, during the draft, there'll be, there'll be a Sabers playoff game probably

during the draft, like some part of the draft, at least one, right.

And so that changes things.

And usually when the Sabers, well, it's been a long time, but are in the playoffs the

day of the day after, we're talking about their games.

So what becomes of the NFL draft?

We better make sure we get our fix here before the playoffs come and start, because once

they do, I don't know, it's a long time since a Bill's draft was, you know, second fiddle.

I'm reasonably confident that we'll settle in and appropriately discuss the things that

need to be discussed.

There's some chance.

I'm just, this is not to cast a critical eye at ourselves necessarily, but it's possible

that in these years where the hockey team largely did not exist for our purposes, that we

could have gotten by with a little less draft talk, but there just really wasn't anything

else to really sink your teeth into.

So I think it'll maybe be healthy to mix the two in.

Well, I think it's closer to all or nothing actually.

This is a conversation we could have off the air, but they play third, if they play

Thursday night, no, it's a Saturday, game one is Saturday, the draft is Thursday night.

This is not going to, it's not going to be a problem.

The NFL draft round one is on a Thursday night, the, right, a week after the playoffs.

The playoffs will be into like games three and four, about, okay, right, it's the following

week.

Okay, so the Sabers could play a game three on the night of round one of the NFL draft.

Teams will play, NHL playoff teams will play games that night.

Okay, sure, it doesn't necessarily have to be Buffalo, but yes, right.

So what is Friday then?

Friday I think it's, let's make sure to remember the bills just drafted TJ Parker,

I'd rush her from Clemson, right, right, because whatever happens on the ice is probably

going to take precedence, you know, yeah, I'm, um, but hockey, go ahead, see the, the

really funny, well, funny, sad, uh, back in like, you know, we, we, we, it's been 20 years,

but 0506, the NFL draft would have been in the middle of those playoff runs, or you

know, right at the beginning like this one is like round one, um, but unlike now, uh,

the bills really weren't that good.

And so while there was always going to be interest in what they're going to do, are they

going to drive, you know, whatever, what position it probably wasn't that hard to just

sort of leave it over there.

They're going to draft a guy.

It's probably not going to matter because they don't have a quarterback.

And so, you know, congrats on your linemen and the season will be here in September.

By the way, there was a hockey game last night.

You know, like that was 0506, that's like mid drought early drought early drought, um,

not quite midpoint yet.

And now we had, you know, that, of course, the bills got really good here in like, you

know, 1920 and onward.

And the sabers didn't really exist.

So we didn't have any conflict.

Now the bills are the tension on the draft because they're so good.

This player could be a difference maker.

We need a guy at receiver or edge or wherever, right?

And now the sabers, yeah, we've not had the two of them mixing like this where the interest

in the draft would be what it always is for a contending level football team and your

hockey teams in the playoffs because the bills weren't a contending level football team.

The last time the sabers were any kind of a threat in the playoffs.

In 2006, the NFL draft was April 29th and 30th.

I think that's a weekend.

We still hadn't gotten to the point where they were putting the draft on a weeknight.

Yeah.

And the bills drafted Dante Wittner in that draft.

That was definitely a Saturday on a Saturday.

Yeah.

And the sabers played Sunday afternoon against Philadelphia.

So I mean, that's 20 years ago, but anyway, I just, you know, it's going to be different.

Yeah.

And I think although hockey is different in itself, at least it is for me yesterday.

I thought about this because I was struggling a little bit as, you know, interesting as

things are and exciting and two games to talk about from the weekend, but it's, it doesn't

roll off the tongue for me quite in the same way.

Like with, with the NFL draft, you don't need to hear me say it.

You can do anything you want with that discussion wise.

In positional value, and if you're, if you get into the players, then it's the players

and draft history and trades and like, it's a cornucopia, the NFL draft is a, a godsend

move up for who's down the philosophy.

Yeah.

Sure.

I mean, a sabers game can be good when they win eight seven and there are fights, you know,

it's still a little bit of what was the best part, George, you know, I mean, it's a little

bit.

Yeah.

Mid.

Aren't we all having the time of our lives?

Again, kind of, right?

Like that, that, that has not worn off yet.

What will, this is what I think about.

And it's all premature, but it's getting close now.

What are we going to argue about in the playoffs?

Which goalie should have played?

There's that is own power, actually good.

Oh, I can't wait for that.

Right.

I don't know the, I'm guessing, maybe not of that upcoming, but I'm, I'm, the goalie

thing will probably happen there.

They will lose a game and it'll be like a situation where Lindy went with Lion back

to back after he won game one.

Oh, no, he hasn't played back to back games and blah, blah, blah.

No, that look, like that will probably root had if, you know, assuming they lose games,

because yeah, I don't, I don't think there's going to be 16 and 0 on the way to the Stanley

Cup.

I mean, that would be awesome, but very unlikely.

So there probably be some opportunity to be mad, mad finger quotes about a goalie choice

or two, I suppose it, it sounds to me like, oh, not to, I'm not trying to fend it off

or anything, but it, it sounds to me like it has the potential to be pretty lame though.

Oh, sure.

Results based.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They lose should have done this instead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You, you, you, you're going to have to make room to accommodate that mentality that, that

is that.

Well, I mean, you can push back all you want.

It's going to be, it's going to be there.

That's hot.

That's hockey.

A lot of the arguments are, are always that like anecdotal.

This happened.

Therefore you should have done this.

I was saying to all my friends, you know, like that, that, that, that's out.

That's out there.

Well, they out there.

That can be okay.

Is, is there anything else?

Like, is there a, are there line up, don't you agree way back, maybe?

Like are there line up decisions that fans are getting ready to argue about?

Like Luke Shen, is anybody sort of wanted him to fly that flag?

I mean, it's still a ways away.

Greenway, I mean, it's such guesswork.

Yeah.

You're talking about topics like maybe chemistry or, I mean, experience and reliability, these

kinds of things.

I wonder if we're going to get there at all.

Yeah.

They're going to have decisions.

I mean, there will probably be a couple and are we going to be mad about that?

I think it, that might largely depend on whether or not they choose Lindy Ruff, the coaching

staff, chooses to do anything to upset what has been happening for the last two or three

months, which is, which is, it's good to mention greenway.

Back at practice today, like, that's a player that could serve a role on a fourth line

with Beck Mellon sign.

But now you're taking what, Krebs out, Benson, Benson's actually in that spot right now.

But I feel like by the time the playoffs get here, Benson will be back up top and Krebs

will be back down there.

So you're talking about probably displacing him because you're not taking care of it out.

So if they decide to do something like that and lose, same thing is the goalie conversation.

Why do you, you went, you know, 32, six and whatever here, the stretch of games.

Why are you messing with the lineup?

Just because Jordan Greenway is back.

You know, I think, but again, that won't be necessarily, I don't know, people upset about

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I'm, but if it blows up on them, then yeah.

And you know, as good as I think the third pair of defensemen have looked in the last

handful of games since Metza and Stanley got together, the first time Stanley is caught

standing still near a goal.

It's going to, you know, there's going to be a, oh, you know, he's so slow, something,

whatever.

Why did they mess with it?

Right.

Well, but he, I mean, yeah, right.

Why'd you even trade for him?

You were fine with the guys you had.

We're getting Tim in's back, whatever.

They'll be like little, maybe, you know, I'm feeling like these things will be like mosquitoes

around my head on a nice day, mostly because the sabers are going to be in the playoffs.

And I doubt that any, well, the goal tender could, could matter.

I don't think moving a green way in or someone else out is going to be like, you know, so

impactful that it, it costs them anything.

Or interesting.

I mean, right.

Right.

Right.

I'm not sure I ever did, but right now, I'm not sure I know how to do, like a four

hour hockey show game show, like really pucks to the net score first, one of the lame

things you hear every night on every NHL broadcast, like how am I supposed to like make that

interesting?

Throw it deep.

Never pass.

I just got to shoot that.

I mean, I just, I don't know.

It's going to be so boring.

I think, I think probably what's better is we're talking about like what songs we want

to hear and what we're wearing and where we're sitting and what are we chanting and what

are we eating?

Like it's more, I don't know how to exactly put that into a nutshell, but like there's

something about hockey that's different in that way.

We're never doing that for the bills.

It's sort of like throw throw away stuff with the bills.

It's what what a bills lead up sounds like is, all right, I need this guy today.

I need, yeah, I need play action today.

I need, you know, establish the run, whatever, like there's like actual, the takes are way

better before a football game, because I think, and maybe this is just me.

I don't know, but you can speak with some authority on it.

This team is 25th against the run.

So run the ball.

Right.

Right.

They don't defend tight ends well.

So come on, Dalton Gincade today.

Like that kind of stuff.

Are we rearranging the Saber's power play the day of the game one?

Are we sort of like, what?

Maybe Dalin should stay two steps over there.

Yeah.

Like nobody's doing that.

No.

Well, I don't know.

Bring it on.

By now.

Today we have the tickets.

The bills might get a little like that with a new stadium this year, just maybe a little,

like, you know, just because it's a different experience.

But nonetheless, yeah, the hockey, we're definitely not rehearsed in how to handle that.

It's been a long time.

And it is largely, it has been, I mean, I don't know, like, lazy on my part or I'm actually

thinking, this is the conversation hockey fans are having because it's the conversation

my friends are having with me about hockey, which is where are we going to watch the game?

This is incredible.

I love this.

And like, so any of these days where you haven't been here recently, like, that's mostly

all I really want to talk about it feels very much like just, you know, taking the balls

out of the closet and throwing them on the courts and go play.

But it is still, it has been such a long time that it still feels so kind of fresh and

new to just have to have a thing back that we are practiced at caring about, but we just

haven't cared about it in many years.

You know, like, I'm being at the Sabers Media Department have asked me to come say some

things on camera one night later this way, I think Thursday night.

And it's mostly like you haven't had a chance to experience this with your son who loves

hockey, which is kind of because he's 24 years old, which is kind of insane.

But that's, I'm like, a lot of people have that same sort of thing.

I happen to work on the radio so they want to, whatever, like every little corner you

go around is like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, this is cool.

I thought for a second, you were going to say you're doing a hype video in the arena.

I don't know.

I know it's just for TV.

Yeah, I don't know.

I was asked to come say some things about the experience speaking to the team.

No, no, God, I just not sure what this is rolled out sloppily.

It's me.

I don't know.

Maybe it is a hype video.

I don't know.

It's a thin yet about like Sabers fans re-acquainting themselves with the notion of caring

about the team.

I think.

I don't know how it will be used.

I imagine on social media primarily.

Well, my ex-ticket group still exists.

I'm not in anymore, but I was talking to a couple guys today about the playoff tickets.

And there's one thing that I heard that I think I really like about it.

I mean, of course, you got to brace yourself for the increases.

That's how it goes.

And I don't know, you're welcome to tell us if you think it's fine or if you think

it's terrible.

My one friend said they really are getting you for the finals.

Okay.

Well, we'll see if they can make the finals.

I sort of get that, but I did see a copy of the letter that explains everything.

And I believe this is different from when I was last a part of the ticket group for the

playoffs.

I remember it as when they clinch or basically like right now, they want money for

the first two rounds.

And if they have a look at home ice, then they'll want money for four games for each

round.

So you have to pay then anyway, you had to pay for eight games like right away, which

that can be tough.

But now they're doing it differently, I think once a playoff spot is clinched, it reads,

the card on your card on file will be charged for the first two home games.

From that point forward, you will be charged for home games as they are confirmed.

So that reads like they make it once they officially clinch, you're getting dinged for

games one and two or three and four, whichever it is, that costs the same.

And then if they, you know, if the series isn't a sweep, once each team wins a game in

the series, then they get you for five or six and then eventually seven, although they

might have to turn that around pretty fast.

If it's like, yeah, a series is three, two, we don't know if it's going to be a game

seven, they probably have to turn that around.

I already make sure those cards they have on file are up to date.

Yes.

You want to miss out on hockey tickets because your card got compromised.

You got a new one and you forgot that the Sabers had an old card on file.

And it because it might be really now that this just happened to me, not with Sabers

tickets, but like I, yeah, cover your bases, everyone.

And that can be like I'm saying, like maybe really short notice.

Yeah.

But that's, this is better than, and then if they, I think this is right also in oh six

or seven, when they won the first round, then they would bill you for three and four.

And sort of get all your money almost up front for the whole thing, whereas again, it

reads to me like, now that won't happen and then be more spread out.

And then of course, like if they don't, they lose and they don't play those games that

money, then they have it that just goes towards your bill for next year, right?

Like that's pretty much how that rolls over.

I don't know if you, you might have a choice.

There's a choice to get it back if you want, I suppose, yeah, you should have a choice.

Okay.

So that's interesting.

And I have no idea what the, the fan consensus is.

I think the letters went out yesterday, because people were starting to talk last night.

Yeah, I saw a reference to prices that happening.

Yes.

We're going to talk about the Bruins later.

Fluteau, Shenzawa from the Athletical Join us covers the Bruins, I got into a little

bit of a thought last night about the history of the Sabers and the Bruins.

You were talking some yesterday about like Boston has a certain reputation.

Do we always feel like we're kind of like out muscled by Boston?

And has that really been true when the Sabers have beaten Boston in the playoffs, it started

to think like so 99, they did that, 93, they did that.

What was that really like?

And then, okay, well, what about when Boston won, and that's 2010, and that's several

times in the 80s, and then it hit me, this is all irrelevant, I think.

There's nothing about that that matters, and there's no history that matters between these

teams at all.

Right.

Right?

That tells you anything about matchup.

No, it's all in your head.

Like, that was the point I was making yesterday, it's like, I'm looking forward to talking

to the Russians I would have find out really like, what are the Bruins?

Like, what are they capable of?

How are they capable of playing?

Do you think they'll try to do with Tampa?

I'm assuming this writer knows about what Tampa, you know, the fight filled 8-7 game,

everybody in hockey was talking about it.

Like, is Boston going to want to try that sort of tactic out on a team that's new to

the party here or not?

But it's all, yeah, it's all a construct of, you know, Cam Nile and Lyndon Biers and

like, you know, Bruce Schubert, I mean, like all these just goons really that marred the

rivalry, marked the rivalry, I mean, it was a lot of fun watching these teams go at it,

but the Sabers were usually on the wrong end.

On the ABC broadcast Saturday night, Boston Detroit, they were doing a, if the season ended

now, grid, I think it's the same as it was Saturday where it would be Buffalo and Boston

in the standings.

And Brad Park was mentioned, right, okay.

They talked about the Bruins.

I mean, the Bruins were in the game, they were, you know, featuring, but I was kind of a

little bit thinking, are we going to be anybody watching this on the way that the Sabers

are just like not mentioned at all here?

I really wasn't, but it's getting close, Brad Park, that was a while ago, 1983.

That one that was, I, I, I, I, I know the 80s, early 80s, even that I know 1983, yeah.

Because that was the last year, the Sabers won around until 93.

Oh, right.

Okay.

Beat Montreal in a sweep in the first round and then seven with Boston.

That series for me is number one, a weekday afternoon game in Boston.

That's not coming this year.

Is it?

Wow.

I don't remember that at all.

It was a game and our teacher, I would have been maybe in sixth grade and the teacher

brought a TV in to class, solid move.

And I think maybe we lost nine, nothing.

Not so great.

If that was the same game, I think they lost a game and that's maybe game five of that

series.

See what I'm doing is I'm teaching this classroom of eighth graders about disappointment

and how to handle losing.

Well, who knew that was basically going to be your whole upbringing, right, until present

day?

Why in the world was there a weekday afternoon game in the Stanley Cup playoffs?

Maybe there was a Celtics game, nutty to me, maybe, right, I guess, I couldn't move

it to another, wow, whatever, anyway, nine, nothing is tough to look at in a playoff

game.

No less.

Yep.

Bob Sove.

Well, this is, this is not even fair.

Bob Sove, two shots on goal, two goals, pulled.

And Phil Meer went the rest of the way and gave up seven.

Phil Meer, welcome to the show, Phil Meer.

Phil Meer.

That's tough on Sove.

Game five of the division finals, second round, two goals, maybe he got hurt.

Two goals go in to start the game.

You're out.

That's tough.

Three, fourteen into the first period, it's two, nothing, and they pulled him.

Maybe he was hurt.

Doesn't say on the box score here, Phil Meer.

I swear to God, if you'd brought up Phil Meer, independent of this, with any attachment

to Buffalo Hockey, I would have thought he played for the bison's in the sixties or something.

I just cannot get over that he was a goalie for them in the eighties.

That was the end of his career.

That just really blows my mind.

Wow.

Might have been his last game.

Wow.

I mean, he didn't play.

Yeah.

All the time it goes.

I don't want to be too hard on myself, but I mean, I just don't remember that at all.

The afternoon part, the nine, nothing part, the Phil Meer part.

I'm over three.

The Phil Meer part.

Phil Meer part.

Yes, we go to our first break.

Right.

All right.

Let's get in some NFL draft today.

We do have our friend from Boston on the Bruins coming up.

Sal Capaccio will join us at five stadium tour today.

You might be seeing pictures on social media.

I wonder what Sal has seen firsthand to talk about.

So we'll get to that as well.

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I believe, and it's not going on a limb, Thai sims will be a first-round dressing.

That's all uncomfortable saying right now.

We will revisit this topic many times as the draft marches closer, we're one month out

exactly.

And again, I think that'll probably be one of the central focal storylines of the first

round of the draft, where does Thai sims can go?

Adam Schaefter, Thai sims in the Alabama quarterback.

It's kind of strange.

Are we talking to Christopher Paso tomorrow?

I think we are.

We should be.

Yep.

He remembers this from last year, or no, from the fall, when I was watching an Alabama

game, probably because I had a bet on it.

And wow, this guy, I like him.

And I might have reached out to Chris for his opinion on Thai Simpson.

And he brought that back a month or so ago with us.

I remember you liked Thai Simpson.

And I'm not sure I really want to be the guy that likes, quote, likes Thai Simpson on

your name on that phone, September or whatever it was.

He sounds like this year's version of, are we really serious with this idea?

There was a video making the rounds.

Last year day of Dan Rolowski, also ESPN, I first, one of those, one of those panes

at a desk, not just some podcast or something, it was on ESPN.

And he said, I think he's QB1.

Dan Rolowski said Thai Simpson, he believes it's QB1.

I did not watch the entire, all the content to know if, how many different ways it was

couched if it was, this is what I think, but I don't think that it's going to play out

that way, blah, blah, blah, whatever, just like, I think looking at the two guys, this

guy's the better guy.

Well, now I'm really excited for the same thing.

So like that's happening, like that's, and it was funny, the place I came across it

was Matt Verteram's feed, because he had a tweet from, I don't know, a week or a month,

some time frame ago, saying like, just wait, we're getting to the part of the cycle where

the crazy stuff starts happening, and like he quoted that, I'm like, here we go, here

comes, it's Thai Simpson is better than Fernando Mendoza's season.

Well, I guess I, I don't want to represent that you couldn't possibly think that.

I'm not an expert on these guys anyway.

So I can't really say that, but this makes me to the earlier conversation, you know, glad

to have the hockey playoffs, because that's the kind of stuff that's just such an eye

role, having to, yeah, decide whether that's actually someone's take or they're just trying

to get attention, you know, how that gets accused of people all the time.

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Hello, Brian.

Hey guys.

How are you?

Good.

Thank you.

Good.

Just, I was in Buffalo, Thursday for the NCAA.

It was a great, great time.

Good little stadium.

They're good food at your stadium.

Really enjoyed my time there on the afternoon session.

Good.

Glad to hear you.

Yeah, Matt.

And now I'm just trying to say what they're not saying.

So is it possible that Mr. Bean might be looking at, look, I trade my second round pick?

Would he dare trade his first round pick and go a little lower and try and get two value

second round picks high in the second round?

Just say, what do you think about that?

I don't think he's going to do it.

But me, my buddies are just talking like, maybe you never know with him.

He does like to trade down thoughts on that or my, maybe this is not the year to be doing

that.

I think anything is possible.

And I think that makes a lot of sense.

They have a lot of holes.

This is not in any way, shape, or form me saying, I think he will do that.

But could he is your question?

Yeah.

Yeah, they have, they have holes and you let, you make the case, you know, the main highlight

of your point here is that he traded away a second round pick.

Sure.

He'd like to recoup that.

I think it really depends on, you know, obviously, how much do they like or does he like the,

what's available?

Like, you know, what's in the pool at 26?

Is there a guy that we've had targeted that we think can step in and help us right

away?

If there's not, then that's where you start seeing if there is that for somebody else

that wants to come up and take that pick from you and you do the dance.

But yeah, I mean, I, I think it's absolutely possible, but I would stop way short of saying

it's likely or something because I mean, I have no idea, but they could be looking to recoup

a pick.

I mean, they need guys, they're, you know, they don't need another safety anymore.

They've addressed that, right?

But they're still really, they're really nowhere at linebacker.

It is really, they signed two guys that have started games in the league last year.

Well, I still see it mocked to them a lot.

Yeah.

So it's supposed to be a good year for it and Gardner Johnson is a one year deal.

Like that could just work out or blow up.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I just, I'm not, okay.

I guess I just mean they don't need to fill a hole immediately with a starter if they've

got guys.

So that lowers the temperature on that one position for me a little bit urgently wise.

But they don't, I don't know what they're doing at linebacker.

They still need an edge guy.

You know, the question really starts to get into how much do you think an edge guy drafted

26 overall is going to do for you right away and in the immediate future versus Casey

Concepcion if he's there, like what's the, what's the value to the team and the impact

short-term and long-term?

You're going to take a lot of things into account there, but I wouldn't rule out them

trading down just because they still have needs.

I mean, you really never should rule it out, I think.

I don't know.

It's my favorite thing about the draft every year is the campaign for that.

Interesting that the caller used the word would he dare to do it.

What's the dare?

I mean, it's probably smart.

No matter what your roster looks like, I don't have to give you the whole speech every

time, but this is how you win at the draft.

And the bills are not picking 10th, they're picking 26th, which is very different.

I mean, not for them.

It's been, they've been in that range for a few years now.

Once you get to the back end of the first round, I mean, there's a lot that's kind of

done already, top talent, and I think you're looking at, you know, it's like a, what,

a chart where, as you naturally, like just like in hockey, when you get lower in the draft,

the difference in talent is minimized.

What I've got the chart out, right?

So 26th, draft tech is my go-to for this draft chart.

They're all different, but they all seem to have about the same amount of credibility teams

might have their preferences.

I'm sure they do.

Pick 26 is 700 points.

That's equivalent to picks 50 and 60.

Now different teams hold 50 and 60, so you can't just do that, right?

But mid second, late second, or 40 and 78 are also the same number of points as 26.

I think it's a free day two pick if you're willing to bite the bullet on the first round.

What has to happen there is you have to, and look, they might even have a decent idea

about this themselves because they're stacking these players up, and they'll know if they

think this is the bills now, right?

If they're looking at, you know, how many first rounders are there really, 15, 20, whatever

there are, there certainly aren't 26.

I'll bet on the bills board and maybe every team in the leagues board.

So how much of a plateau is there from wherever that drops off, right?

Where does the first round, you know, figuratively end?

Like as far as talent goes, and if that's 20, how far does that step down extend?

Like in other words, if I'm drafting all guy at 26 and his athletic score, his traits,

how much we like him, whatever, it's comparable to guys in the range that you just said somewhere

in the second round, well, then you should absolutely get out of there and get two of those

guys instead of just the one, like that's just the sensible thing to do if there's a team

out there that can facilitate that for you.

But it really depends on where that shelf is, you know, if it and how steep a drop and

then how long it lasts before another drop.

But if you've got players from 20 to say 60, comparably graded, then the sensible thing

to do is to get two for one if you can.

Easy game.

I mean, yes, I'm here for that every single year, almost no matter what.

Kansas City has 40 and 74.

You want to do that?

You want to trade with the chiefs for it?

Would you do it?

No, no matter what the offer is, he's not trading with the chiefs, a higher second, higher

to mid third equals pick 26.

Look, you know, it's one thing to just consider this on like a philosophical level.

All the points about improving your odds of good players and filling holes, sure.

The bills did this when they picked Coleman.

Forget it was what that it was Kansas City, like, leave that out.

I mean, worthy hasn't been that good himself for the chiefs, so that's not the point.

But they did not really take advantage of the move or moves because there was a second

move that same night with Carolina.

They did a little better as I recall by the points with Carolina.

What they got for Kansas City was what?

A fourth was negligible.

Yeah, they really did not do well in that trade, like value wise, to move down eight spots

or whatever that was.

Remember, Kansas City was 32, right, bills might have been 25, that year, 28, 28, pretty

late.

Yeah.

So it shouldn't have been that big, but it's still, I remember just reading that they did

not get the value they should have got.

Yeah, that was my feeling about it is that that's an exciting, but it pops up on the

screen, you know, trade and the bills are moving down.

I'm for it.

I'm ready.

Like that to me should be a good opportunity teams might want the first round pick for

the fifth year option or have a favorite quarterback or something like maybe you can really

pounce there.

And the bills did okay in that trade.

And then were maybe they weren't, but a lot of us were haunted by worthy versus Coleman.

Then the second trade with Carolina was the one spot, but it gave them, as I've said

many times, all of Friday to do something else with that pick when the whole day teams

can come to you with offers and ideas and the bills ended up just using that pick, which

you know, is not uncommon.

But yeah, I'm all for it.

I mean, trading up is for what?

Oh, trading like a future first probably.

The second is a really valuable piece in draft trade stuff because it rates high enough

where you could move up and round one.

But after the second round, it gets pretty cheap.

The bill's second pick is 91 and using this chart again, if they were to offer their

third with their first, they could maybe move up five spots in the first round.

And that's another player gone.

So I would definitely not be for that.

If you want to trade up higher than five spots in the first round, we're talking next year's

one probably.

Right.

I think looking back at how we feel, how I feel about that draft trade from 2024 with

the chiefs as much as I hated doing it and was really mad at their tone, I just hang

up.

It hasn't mattered at all, really.

Right?

I mean, were they had a good game in the AFC title game eventually, but like against Buffalo?

Right.

How much of a difference did that make?

The bill still had their opportunities to win that game, despite Xavier worthy being

over there and getting really nothing from Coleman.

I think I would still, I think I would do it again.

I don't think I would prohibit that.

In my mind, the chiefs call, they want to make a trade.

I want to make a good trade, like I don't want to get three quarters value or whatever

they got in this worthy trade or less than that.

So I want full, full value, but I don't, I think I would do it.

I think I would, I would do business with them.

I'd let them come up and get their guy and I would take two picks for it.

That's because of what it, all my complaining and handling about it, it hasn't really

mattered.

Okay.

Like the trade's a wash.

Pretty much like I only Coleman's that much worse, I mean Coleman's worse off than worthy,

but worthy is not popping in some undeniable way that I feel like I've missed out on some.

We'll see how that plays out.

I mean, after, you're kind of saying it, right, that after the first year, it was a little

more of a downer.

Right.

And now after two years, it didn't really pop for worthy, were they 685 and a score against

the bills in that AFC championship?

He had a big, the game was probably over by them, but he had a big touchdown in the Super

Vol 2 against Philadelphia, but kind of a down year last year.

I would give worthy, I think, a better chance of establishing himself in the league than

I would give Coleman at this point.

I mean, I don't disagree with that.

Coleman is, it's the B word so far.

It's a bust so far, even if it is pick 33.

It's high enough, I would say, to qualify or kind of non first round pick ever be a bust.

I don't know.

It was a big moment for the bills, trading down twice, getting him and getting only what

they've gotten so far.

Well, we don't get to know is if that was the guy that they were sold on at 20, like

that was their favorite idea at 28.

And if they're, if they're Intel, like whatever they thought was going to happen was, again,

we don't get to know this, but we can go back, we can keep going back.

That's the guy we want.

Right.

If that's their thought process, but if it was, then, you know, at least they got paid

for getting the guy they were going to pick anyway and not just sitting there and doing

it at 28.

Well, of course, the most recent version of that is that the coaches wanted Coleman.

Right.

Sure.

Whatever you say.

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