How A Terror Suspect Was Allowed Back On A College Campus

0:00What if a few minutes with God could change the direction of your entire day? With Pray.com, you can begin each morning with powerful daily prayers, inspiring Bible stories, and messages created to strengthen your faith. Whether you need peace, encouragement, or a fresh start, Pray.com helps you make prayer part of your everyday life. Download the Pray.com app today. They had none of his criminal history, so they had no clue that there is an ITIS member on campus. That was former CIA targeting officer Sarah Adams talking about a terror case that shook the nation. On March 12th of this year, a known terror threat who had been allowed to enroll at Old Dominion University, carried out a targeted attack that left one Army ROTC instructor dead and two ROTC cadets injured. In this episode, we're joined by Adams to discuss

1:02the alarming case, what lessons have been learned, and not learned from that fatal attack, and where the terror threat stands now in the US. I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire Executive Editor John Bickley, and this is a weekend episode of Morning Wire. Joining us now is Sarah Adams, a former CIA targeting officer who's currently running a new series of articles for the Daily Wire, including one on the terror attack on Old Dominion University earlier this year. Sarah, welcome on. Thanks for having me. First, can you give us a little background on your career, which is obviously very relevant to this conversation? Yeah, I spent about a decade at the CIA as a targetter, and then after I left, I went and worked on the Hill on the Select Committee in Benghazi, where we obviously investigated the incident, and then I went on and carried out my own investigation into the attacks, and I put it into a book. The work as a targetter. Can you expand on that for our audience? Yeah, long story short, how the CIA worked. They had case officers, and they had

2:02analysts, but after 9-11, they didn't have someone in the middle that they push operations forward, and a lot of those operations, and most people know are capture operations against terrorists. So it kind of just came out of a need, and that's what you do, you find and locate people. So to start on this particular incident that was really horrific and shocked the nation, who is Muhammad Baylor Jalow, and how did he originally end up in prison? Yeah, so in 2016, he got convicted for working on an ISIS plot, where he was going to attack military personnel. So this wasn't just someone who was trying to wire some of his military personnel to the terrorists. He had an actual plot. He ended up getting an 11-year sentence, a short and unfortunately, and he got released on a five-year supervised release in December of 2024, so he didn't serve his whole time. And then, you know, we have another ISIS person out out on the streets, and as you can imagine, the local community really didn't have any idea, especially the school,

3:05Old Dominion University. I mean, he was actively plotting with ISIS for an attack, but he got out, first of all, he just got out at all, which is shocking to me, and he's allowed in our country to walk free. Yeah, I mean, the negative is this is what happens when we actually put Americans in prison. We put 209 Americans in prison for joining ISIS. Well, when they serve their terms, they get released, and not a lot of people are talking about that, but we already have 72 Americans right now in this country. In this case, show they're not really being monitored in an effective way. Now, Jello reapplied to Old Dominion University, and he was re-admitted. What did the university know about his criminal history? Did they have all the information when they chose to re-admit him? They had none of his criminal history. How about it was working at the time, first Virginia law, you can't even ask for criminal history, during the admissions period. Then when you get accepted, there was a voluntary questionnaire that went out,

4:06but it did not go out to re-admit his students. It goes up now, but it was still voluntary. So he never got it. It wasn't filled in. FBI never told them he was on campus. His parole officer didn't inform the campus. So they had no clue that there is an ISIS member on campus. So his parole officer, I would think the parole officer would be required to inform a school of that kind of history. So he has the ability and the freedom to tell someone who employs him or a school. He did not do that, but there is no law requiring him to inform them that he's an ISIS member. Isn't that a crazy thing? We have this huge gap when it comes to terror. Freedom is given to us by God, not government, but its ability to endure arrests with the people. We're seeing our God-given rights tested, threatened, and violated right now, and we must stop it before it's too late. Our friends at Alliance defending freedom are fighting some of the most critical legal battles of our generation,

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7:12So he went in, and he actually asked, is this the ROTC office? And then he got, you know, no, a firmative response. And then he said all the lock bar, and he started shooting. Of course, you know, the lieutenant colonel got involved. He's the one who ended up dying, got shot several times, two other individuals, got shot, and then they obviously overpowered this Paris. Thankfully, we had no more loss of life, but yeah, this was a targeted attack. So this is exactly the kind of thing that he had been plotting with ISIS, and he was arrested for and convicted of. Yeah, and remember, ODU, where it's located, it has a very large military population of its students, compared to other universities, too. Now, we do know that he was dead on scene after being stabbed by one of the students and overpowered by a few students and the instructor. Do we know any details about how they took him out? Yeah, I mean, he was very heroic. Obviously, the individuals that are overpowered him.

8:12Now, I don't really say how they overpowered him. They won, right? We do have, unfortunately, a system where we may charge people for taking it to a terrorist, or just an unfortunate thing. So people don't really talk about the specifics of what they did to overpower and defeat the terrorist. It's just a good news story that they were able to, and they were brave enough to. Now, in your article for Daily Wire, you say researchers were warning that an ISIS era terrorism problem was brewing by 2024. This happened this year. So there's been a lot of warnings about this kind of thing happening. What prompted first researchers to say that we really are bound to see some threats? Well, it's just the fact that about 10 years ago was the peak of ISIS. A lot of terrorists ended up with like 10-year sentences. I mean, his was 11, but you know, eight to 10 to 12 years is what they're spending in prison. And then they're getting out. So obviously, it's important now because they're getting free again.

9:15And a lot of terrorists just go back in the fight. Unfortunately, the reactivism rate is very, very high. So that risk warning was largely in part because of these people being released back into the public. Yes, because we're getting to the phase now. They're starting to come out of prison. We do have other issues, though. We of course had ISIS members that have come over the southern border. That type of thing. We have a lot of issues where ISIS is really leaned in and gotten a lot more effective in their online recruitment. So now, for example, you can do everything online. You don't have to try to travel overseas so it makes it a lot more accessible to anyone who wants to commit terrorism. So there has been other things and evolutions within ISIS, too. That makes it more dangerous right now. As you've spelled out, I mean, there's a lot of obvious gaps here in terms of our national security and how we're dealing with threats known threats like this. Are you seeing any action on that or are any changes being made on the way? Are you seeing any changes being made policy wise to better handle situations like Jalos?

10:19Well, we did see at least the change with the Bureau of Prisons. So he got out early because he went through like a drug rehabilitation program that allows for early release. So they have taken that off the table if you have a terrorism offense. So that would at least kept him in jail, what, almost three more years. But you still have the problem when he gets out. So we don't really have a system in place like you would have with the sex, you know, the sex offender registry. We don't have anything like that in place where you can look up. Do I have a terrorist in my neighborhood and maybe that's something we should think about? Stunning. I can't actually believe that this is how we handle this. Yeah, it's crazy. And think about even if you're a charge for 9-11, what have you got a 20, 25-year prison sentence, 30-year prison sentence? You're getting out soon and a lot of people don't realize the time that has passed in some of these cases. And you said right now we have something like 72 known threats that are free in the country. Yeah, those are just ISIS. So there's obviously other terrorists that have been released as well.

11:19Well, a major problem here and thankfully we have people like you with expertise sounding the alarm over some of these issues. Sarah, thank you so much for coming on. Of course, thanks for having me. That was former CIA targeting officer Sarah Adams. And this has been a weekend episode of Morning Wire. What if a few minutes with God could change the direction of your entire day? With Pray.com, you can begin each morning with powerful daily prayers, inspiring Bible stories, and messages created to strengthen your faith. Whether you need peace, encouragement, or a fresh start, Pray.com helps you make prayer part of your everyday life. Download the Pray.com app today.