How AI Is Rewriting the Future and The Forces Who Hold The Pen

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The AI revolution has taken the world by storm, rapidly reshaping the job market, the stock market

and geopolitics. Along with triggering a technological arms race with China,

AI is already heavily influencing the vast majority of people on a professional and personal level.

The revolution has come so quickly that few have had a chance to ask crucial questions about it,

including who's really making the decisions behind the scenes, what's actually driving them,

and where exactly all of this is heading. In this episode, we sit down with Wynton Hall,

who spent several years working to answer those crucial questions, and is now sounding the alarm

about the need to take action now. I'm daily wire executive editor John Bickley with Georgia Howe.

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Joining us now to discuss the questions about the AI revolution that many haven't yet asked or are

afraid to ask is Wynton Hall social media director for Breitbart News and author of the new book

Code Red, The Left, The Right, China, and The Race to Control AI. So first of all thank you so

much for joining us. It's great to see you. It's great to see you. It's always good to see you.

We're really interested in this on a lot of levels. The AI revolution has been dramatic. It's been

shocking, I think, for a lot of people. It's scaring a lot of people and your book looks at this

from a very particular angle and this is from a political angle. Can you, you know, big picture,

can you unpack that for us? Yeah, I really wanted to look at AI as not just a tool. We often hear it

said it's just a tool. It's actually political power and the reason I wanted to do that is because

I spent two years deep diving into this world and you realize that a lot of Americans just really

don't know much beyond the obvious names and certainly don't know the donation histories,

the ideologies, the backgrounds of the AI architects that are remaking this world. You know,

I think 99% of us use AI even though 64% of Americans don't realize when they're using AI

because it's baked into the algorithms of our weather apps and our streaming services and our GPS.

So we're already using AI. We don't get to opt out of this and I think that the conservative

movement has got to have a one-stop shop in a sense and that's what the sort of idea was.

Code red, the title was actually a double meaning. Code red in the sense of an alarm or an alert

flare, but also a code is set of principles for the red political side of the ball, the conservative

movement to be able to have to guide us through this because, you know, John, it's going to be the

decider between what erases jobs or creates jobs, indoctrination versus education and education,

whether you come home alive or a dead on the battlefield with our AI warfare, you know,

accelerating right now. And so I really wanted to help to shorten everybody's learning curve

and really learn who these people are. What is the real ideological agenda?

Yeah, and so to that question, first of all, it does strike me. Most of us don't realize we're

using AI. Like you said, 64% don't realize we're using it. So the people that are behind this in

terms of the names that we do know, what don't we know that's behind the scenes?

So it's a great question. So first of all, you know, Peter Till famously said that Silicon

Valley is a one-party state and he's right. 85% of all political donations in Silicon Valley flow

to the Democrats. There are obviously notable exceptions and a lot of heroic and sort of courageous

libertarian slash conservative people that inhabit that space even though they're outliers.

And there are sizable ones, the obvious, you know, Mark Andreessen, you know, Elon Musk and,

you know, Peter Till. But the reality is that the people at the real forefront of this race,

most of them have a very deep ideological slant toward the left and have put their money where

their mouth is. And they don't just view AI as a product or a tool. They look at it as a way

to bring about a reset either economically, globally, certainly even down to, you know,

the transhumanism merging of, you know, moving us past toward the singularity, moving us past

just regular human life. And so what I wanted to do is look at that. And I think one example,

I'll just give you. So in 2016, there was a young man. He was in his early 30s and he went on a

blog. And he said, I want to do a longitudinal study. And I want to give a thousand dollars away

to low income people with no strings attached, no strings attached. This is what you and I would

call universal basic income, right? UBI. And he says, I want to do this because I think in the future,

technology may require some kind of UBI. Now he spent 60 million dollars. It's the largest American

UBI study ever done in American history. Okay. And then he dropped a mask. He said, I also think

that one day we will look at it as silly and odd that we ever thought that using fear of not

eating should be the motivation for human flourishing and work. That's a paraphrase. That's known

as the the Protestant work ethic, right? That's known as the thing that has driven free market

capitalism. And that young man's name was Sam Altman. Yeah. And Sam Altman was doing that in 2016.

When was chat GPT released? November 2022. Now why is he thinking almost six years ahead

about massive wealth redistribution and universal basic income? It's because he has been a very

dedicated democratic supporter and donor for many, many years until the most recent Trump

inauguration. And there are many stories like that. And so I really just go through this got 80 pages

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You know, I think one of the questions is, are these individual actors, individual companies

working individually in isolation? Or is there a sense that there is a network forming

that's mutually beneficial for some of these players? In other words, this can turn into something

truly global and truly influence all parts of life easily. Is there, you know, which is

it? Is this silos or is this a network? Yeah, it's more toward the network and there are

different ecosystems. So within Anthropic, which is Dario Amade's, you know, company,

this is the one that we've recently seen with the Word Department and this battle over the

contracts. They gravitate towards something called the Effective Altruist Movement, the EA

and this is a very large and well-funded group and their primary aim is to bring about something

called Global AI Global Governance and what they want is to have super national

globalist control of sort of the West like World Economic Forum or, you know, a UN style

global enterprise to regulate everything from DEI mandates inside of AI so that when you ask,

I'll borrow your colleague Matt Walsh's famous phrase, what is a woman? When the AI comes back,

if that is not giving the proper, you know, sort of DEI response is that hate speech and therefore

should that not be allowed? So they want to bring about global governance not just on that kind of

a level, but also with compute, meaning access to GPUs, graphics, processing units, the brain,

if you will, the chips that drive so much of AI innovation. And so you have that ecosystem.

You also have others who are more toward transhumanism, not transgender, but transhumanism,

which is moving toward what they believe is the singularity, which is this moment when

human and machine will become one and will be transcended into almost a different species.

This sounds like some craziness out of sci-fi, but this is very real. Ray Kurzweil and many of

the technologists really do want to accelerate AI in that direction. And so I have a whole

discussion and encoderate about, you know, faith and right now there are churches where they

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Head to worship. There are a confessionals of AI Jesus where you confess in a confessional

booth to an AI avatar and have it respond as, you know, a religious leader. It is going very far

and very fast. And what I really think we have to do is coach ourselves up. Because like I said,

we don't get to opt out of this. I think the conservative movement, one of the big challenges,

we're not in a lot of these rooms because Silicon Valley is such a one-state sided place.

Yeah, let's get to that. What do conservatives need to do? What does that look like in the next few

years? That's a really great question. First thing is we have to learn the lexicon and understand,

not at a tech level. You don't have to be a technologist to understand this. And what I really

try to do is make it simple without being simplistic so people can really understand the concepts.

Second, I think we have to understand the backgrounds and motivations of these people. A lot of

these are new names. I mean, you know, all of us know who Bill Gates is, right? All of us know,

sort of, you know, Mark Zuckerberg. But, you know, most people don't know who Mustafa Suleiman is

at Microsoft AI. They may probably never even heard of that name. Well, he's one of the most

important people, or, you know, Demis Hossibus, or, you know, Jeffrey Hinton, or a lot of these people,

they don't really know. So we need to get acquainted with the characters, the cast of characters,

and really just listen in their own words to what their motivations are. And then what we really

need to do is understand this. And I think this is the most important thing, John, is that

the policy matrix that the conservative movement has known is about to get completely

remade in seismic ways. Let me give you an example. If I say abortion, we all know, you know,

I've been a movement conservative my whole life, you know, 90-10, we know where the conservative

movement is. Tax cuts or tax raises, we know where they are, pro-military, pro-national movement.

If I say AI policy, I mean, we don't even yet have a common grammar as a movement,

so if we don't know the lexicon, but also we need to have a family discussion in debate. You know,

we need to do it the good old fashioned way in the conservative movement and think it through and

argue it out, but we better get moving fast, okay, because this is moving very quickly. Let me

give you how quickly. Dario Amade at Anthropic just two months ago said that within the next 12

months, not way off in the wild future, 12 months, you're looking at 50% of white-collar entry-level

job replacement because of AI. That's otherwise known as our kids who graduate college. I know you

are a professor, you and I are both. Our kids who played by the rules, they took out a bunch of

loans and now they're coming into a workplace and that career ladder, those first two rungs are

getting hacked off potentially if that comes true. Second, Mustafa Suleiman is the Microsoft AI,

CEO, he says that within the next 12 to 18 months, 100% of white collar tasks will be able to be

automated. Now that doesn't mean that all those jobs will go away. What he's saying is that over time,

if those companies start to automate, they could go away. There are some people who think that this

is just a lot of hype marketing and they say, look, during the industrial revolution, yes,

the candle went away but the electric light bulb came, the free market will solve it. The argument

they make though, John, is that this time is different and here's why. We're scaling human cognition,

we're not scaling moving atoms in blue collar work and so yes, new jobs will be created in an AI

economy but those jobs will also potentially be able to be done as a gentick AI which is text to

action AI comes on. So this is a 5D chess game and we got to get coached up real quick.

Yeah, we've seen it here. I mean, I've been amazed at the transformation of our workplace

by the accessibility, the ability to use AI in all kinds of different tasks. One person

maximized in their capacity to do a lot more work than we could before as a single individual.

I think most of us are starting to realize this is not just hype. Final question, pretty open

here. From your experience in doing this research, what was one of the big shocks for you?

Was there anything that just kind of stopped you in your tracks and you were surprised to learn?

Yeah, I try to be very balanced. I call it roses and landmines. There are going to be a lot

of opportunities and this year I didn't want to ride a dumber apocalypse book. There's a lot of hopeful

solutions and I think great things. I think young entrepreneurs are going to have more

ability than they've ever had. If you have fire in the belly and you're a young person,

you don't have a lot of money but you've got a lot of grit and heart and you've got dreams.

You're going to be able to scale your little idea and there's something very big. So there are

positives. The one that really stuck out to me though, John, would be this what I consider and

what we call and I say in the last chapter is a potential crisis of meaning. And by that I mean

if we do see this erosion of jobs and it's not just hype to try to build support for the universal

basic income, either way it can be used for political leverage. I am very concerned about how that

affects people at sole depth. When you and I go to a party or a social setting or a Christmas party

with our family and we're talking to a new person, what's the one of the first things? What do you

do for a living? And especially for men, our ability to feed our family and take care of our

children and serve our community and our family, that is a part of our identity and when men don't

have that sort of meaning and structure, again the Protestant work ethic that has sort of served

us for so long, they become very self-destructive and all kinds of addiction and depression and worse.

So I think this crisis of meaning is a very real danger. I think it's an opportunity for honestly

people of faith because people are going to need community and reaching out and so I try to end

on that hopeful note but I think that we've just really got to understand how fast this is changing

and that we really have to understand the matrix. Such an important topic affecting all of us in so

many ways so rapidly. Thank you so much for talking with us, really excited about the response

to your book. It's already it's been out for a week now. Can't wait to see the impact it has.

Appreciate it. Oh always appreciate you. Thank you so much. That was Winton Hall author of Code Red,

the left, the right, China and the race to control AI and this has been a weekend edition of Morning

Wire.