How BRICS, Iran, and China fit into the ‘War on the US Dollar’

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The Iran-US Israel conflict continues on.

We have talked before about the deeper undertones, not the surface stuff, not the whole idea that

the Middle East is fighting Iran's threat, which by the way is true, Iran's a major threat.

And yes, there are threats to us, there are threats to our ally, Israel, and also other

allies, other countries in the Middle East.

But again, we look deeper, we talk about China, and the idea that China and Iran have

a bit of a, let's just say, an influence partnership.

Of course, that gives China influence over the state of Hormuz where they also had undue

influence over the Panama Canal until Trump stepped in.

It's amazing what happens when adults are back in charge.

Unless enough we get the Northwest passage versus Russia, but that's another story for

a different day.

The other underlying idea is Iran is also part of BRICS.

A lot of people don't realize that.

No Iran is not the eye in BRICS.

The eye, incidentally, is an ally of ours, India.

But I'm going to put that aside right now.

Iran has joined BRICS.

They're part of the alliance that wants to supplant the dollar, the de-dollarization movement.

And of course, as we know, the sea in China, or the sea in BRICS is China.

So with China and Iran as close allies, Iran's not just trying to hammer Israel.

Iran's also not trying to remain a threat to U.S. embassies and U.S. interests, especially

maritime trade via the West.

They also are part of a movement to supplant, destroy the dollar, to de-dollarize the international

trade market, if you will.

BRICS is well on his way to doing so, although we can fight back.

How?

And why is this happening?

Where is it happening?

How long has this movement been going on?

We're going to talk to two experts in the field.

We're going to talk about the de-dollarization movement with the hosts of the Secret War

on Cash Podcast, CEO of Swiss America Trading Dean Heskin and Chris Agalostos of Swiss America

trading as well.

We'll all discuss this in the second and third segments of this show.

A lot's happening.

A lot, you probably haven't really thought about.

And it goes a lot deeper than what you see in the headlines, and of course, read in

some of these clickbait articles, and what you hear via the political debates centering

on the midterm elections.

But first, let's go look at the home front.

Kathy Hoekle, the governor of New York has taken major beatings.

She is looking bad.

First backing Zora and Memdani for mayor.

She could have backed her old pal, the guy that, well, let's put it this way, I'm sure there's

a bit of a rift between her and Andrew Cuomo, so I suppose that was a spite endorsement,

a spite backing.

Zora and Memdani is single-headedly working on destroying New York City.

Or maybe not totally single-headedly, he brought that CEO Weaver in to help out his

rogue's gallery of appointees to powerful positions where they just do not belong.

And he has that psychozumani Williams, by the way, is a public advocate.

So you try to oust Zora and Memdani for any reason.

You get this guy, and he may very well be worse than Memdani.

You got Memdani's wife who apparently hates Jewish people, according to her social

media once Israel destroyed, or at least abandoned by the US.

Yeah, well, we kind of, we've seen her anti-Semitic rants on social media before, now they're

making headlines again.

No, not really, only in the conservative media, because the mainstream media will not talk

about it.

I tell you if Melania Trump made one typo that actually seemed racist or anti-trans

or anti-gay or whatever else, there would be headlines all over the place.

There would be 24-7 news coverage by CNN and Miz now, not that anybody noticed the latter.

With this woman's blatant anti-Semitic posts and actions, oh no, you got to push that

to the side.

Kathy Hocal endorses this kind of thing.

That's embarrassing enough for her.

Then she shells over a plethora of state taxpayer money to New York City to repair its

destroying, destroyed economy.

And that's not on Memdani quite yet.

He's working on it.

He's working on putting the final nails in that coffin, but the Biden administration stuffed

illegal aliens, or as they call it, asylum seekers, you know, people the Democrats told to scream

a silent once they're caught running.

New York taxpayers were footing the bill for illegals or these migrants who could have

been staying in Mexico if Biden didn't repeal that or didn't eliminate that executive

voter.

And it caused a ton of money.

Eric Adams had the guts, the nads to stand up to that, albeit pretty late.

And then the machine just steps on him, takes away his major allies and takes away his

chance to run from air again.

I'm not a big fan of Eric Adams or the Democrats, but at least he was the lesser of the evils

that they could put up there.

Zora Memdani, let me tell you about this guy.

He's a rich nipple baby whose mother is a big Hollywood, Hollywood producer.

They have loads of money.

He lived in a rent control department in the city.

He became famous during the Lorena MacGyver, people forgot about her.

The Lorena MacGyver incident in Newark at some kind of anti-Israeli, where she lays

hands on ICE agents and gets arrested, thinking she could use that to up her profile, but

she's really annoying.

Zora Memdani did was make sure there were cameras on him, screaming at some kind of podium.

And that's where people started realizing, hey, this guy exists.

He winds up running for mayor with this newfound fame.

This is all planned by the way.

And we all know that foreign-born New Yorkers were going to back this guy.

We all know that not a lot of Democrats really liked Andrew Cuomo.

They couldn't come up with the Democrats couldn't come up with anybody better.

Well, they had somebody better.

It was Eric Adams, but they shunned him, but Andrew locked him down Cuomo.

The man responsible for the deaths of a lot of the people, a lot of the potential constituents

relatives and his own constituents relatives when he was governor.

New Yorkers would vote for, I don't know, the Kramer guy that used to run for mayor all

the time before voting for Andrew Cuomo or enough of them.

So Memdani sneaks his way through.

He tells the warmth of collectivism, while that starts with trying to tax everybody out

of existence, begging governor Huckle for a lot of money, and governor bends over and gives

it to him.

Thanks a lot.

And then he says, well, we're going to have to tax people more because the rich people

are moving out.

And that's not just in New York City.

It just happens to be, this is going to affect the entire state.

And Kathy Huckle, who only a few years ago, yinled at Republicans, telling them, if you

don't like the way I'm going to run things, that paraphrase in that part, then get out.

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You are not adherent to our values, if you will, and I'm paraphrasing it, but she said,

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I'll bring somebody into discuss that, and Kathy Hocal is looking extremely silly and

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The Iran war is actually part of this if you dig deep down.

We all say we're at least a lot of the Donald Trump supporters say that he is not just

working on the surface level while the media might be doing so, his opponents might be

doing so.

And I'm not going to pull out pom-poms, but I am telling you that he is looking beyond

just the Iran conflict and the Iran threat.

If you look at Donald Trump's poll foreign policy, since he took office for the second

term, we're talking about taking down Venezuela, we're talking about dealing with oil, we're

talking about the northern passage, and we're talking about rattling China.

But also stopping or at least taking a bite out of the de-dollarization movement which

might you.

China and Iran are part of, as they're part of the BRICS alliance, Iran not part, not

the I, India is the I and the BRICS alliance, Iran joined in 2024, but gentlemen, this

is part of, this is, I guess, a cog or a part of the entire de-dollarization movement

that's been going on for a long time.

It has.

You're absolutely right.

And I don't think it's going to slow down anytime soon, either, Chris.

I think it's just, unfortunately, it's like watching a tree die or something like that,

meaning like the dollar.

It's just kind of just a slow process, but you can tell it's happening.

It is, and Chris, I want to get right into this because yes, we do know the BRICS nations

are working on supplanting the dollar.

There are a lot of reasons for that, but the irresponsibility of government spending

and quantitative easing, let's put it this way, a lot of the American, a lot of the political

leaders in America kind of hurt the dollar on their own.

That's right.

Yeah, it's not like we're just fighting this BRICS alliance, right?

I mean, the dollar is being attacked from multiple fronts, and a big part of that is our

own doing.

You know what?

I mean, one was the last time, I can't even remember the last time that we had a balanced

budget in this country and our political leaders actually sought to strengthen the dollar

and spend responsibly and give their buddies less money, right?

And then do it was better for the dollar in the American people.

And that's, unfortunately, I think, regardless of who's in office, to some extent, that

overspending and poor management of the dollar continues to run rampant.

I totally agree, I mean, Chris, hit the nail on the head, we're watching this deterioration

occur with the dollar.

We're watching our debt, which is now over 39 trillion, and I mean, 10 years from now,

it's going to be, I think they can say it's highest, like 60 because of just how much

it's out of control right now.

And so like you, with that, and then you have the people who can fix that are going to

be our elected officials because they're the ones who are making these decisions.

And to Chris' point, they're doing nothing to even hint at wanting to fix it.

They're not balancing the budget, they're not handling the debt, the deficits.

It's just really, there's nothing more to change or improvement there.

Number one, but number two, we're almost Chris' fighting gravity because, again, you have

that debt, you have the deficits, and then you have the interest that is accumulating

on it, it's becoming very mathematically impossible for us to have any kind of recovery.

That, my friends, is not very good, and this is not just something that happened when

Barack Obama started quantitative easing on a regular basis.

I believe he had three of them, three quantitative easing periods during his eight-year tenure.

It's not just his fault.

You're looking back at 1971 when the gold standard was officially removed for the Federal

Reserve Standard.

They're by creating, well, as Ron Paul put it, that's what brought them into politics.

It made our money political, our fiat currency, or new fiat currency, all political.

Right.

You're absolutely right.

Well, it benefited us for a lot of years.

Obviously, there's been some advantages to that.

But again, I think it's the unbridled spending that has brought a lot of the negative impact

as well.

Obviously, having the dollar be the reserve currency in the world, and it has been a

off-white to safety, and it still is today, albeit maybe not as much as it was in the past,

but we're losing that advantage.

I think people have, when I say people, other nations have realized that they can't completely

bank on the dollar anymore, and there was a time where the dollar was literally as good

as gold.

And unfortunately, that time has passed.

And again, I don't mean to say that there is no value in the dollar, because obviously,

this isn't just an overnight problem.

But we're heading down a path where we're continuing to lose value and abuse our currency.

Enter Brixton, this is a bunch of nations who did trade on the dollar.

The dollar was the standard for a very, very long time.

I know it's tempting because the R and the C and Greks, Russia and China are two major

adversaries when it comes to power versus the U.S., and it's easy to paint them as the

full-on bad guys.

But remember, let's just say more friendly allies, India is part of this as well.

You're looking at a bunch of nations who are saying, well, look, these guys in America

aren't really being as responsible with the dollar as we'd like to.

It's going to hurt us in the long run.

Let's form some kind of alliance and maybe trade with each other.

Talk about how Brixton was born, and let's look at it from those nations' point of

view.

Yeah.

Well, you know, Brixton originally was established.

Chris, will you remember 1990 or 1991, I believe it was a long while ago, and it just

was kind of a dormant entity, if you will.

As you know, Chris, we've talked about Brixton extensively on our podcast, and as I was

kind of reviewing some of the notes and the articles for our show here today, what really

struck me, and I don't really hear a lot of people talking about this.

Brixton, the whole concept is actually quite interesting because every participating

nation, and by the way, there's a list of nations who are trying to get into the alliance.

It isn't just one of those things where a nation says, you know what, I want to do this

too.

I want to do it too.

They have a process.

They have a vetting process.

They're careful about who they're bringing in.

And if you really think about just the interesting dynamic here, these nations are not, I'm going

to say not necessarily, but really, to some extent, probably not at all, politically aligned

with each other.

They're not spiritually aligned with each other, meaning they have different religions

and whatnot they practice.

They all have different goals.

They all have different objectives.

But with that, they're managing to piece together one of the more complicated concepts in

the world for any government, any household, any family, and that is finances.

They are figuring a way through this and coming to some form of agreement.

They're talking already about a digital platform.

They're talking about a currency.

They're kind of an agreement that it's looking like it would be a gold back currency, which

is a great backbone because it's kind of a common denominator that speaks universally

in terms of all monies out there.

And so that's really where it's kind of frightening is the fact that they've got really a lot

of things going for them.

And as I was reflecting on that, Chris, further answered your question, think of the United

States of America.

We unfortunately, the only tool that we have is seemingly ways to use right now is threats.

Like that's it.

We've got all these other nations that are saying, hey, I don't agree with this, but let's

do this.

I like this concept of like that.

The only thing the United States can do is threaten.

We're going to threaten the terrorists.

We're not going to have a war going on.

And we are not operating off of a position of strength number one, but the oil expression.

They're safety in numbers.

The United States does not have numbers right now.

Bricks has numbers.

Right.

The US could have probably just given them the what for or something like that.

Maybe they'll plan to go just like in the movie Mr. Roberts.

Why?

I don't know how to pound you for some of these other nations.

Well, and I didn't really get into the India part of it, but that is an interesting dynamic.

And that's kind of what made me think about it is that India is part of that Brick's alliance.

And India is in a position where you've got this war taking place in Iran.

And they still are all able to still kind of work with each other, even though they're

not in agreement with this war.

Maybe they're actually against the war.

But they're able to put that their differences aside to some extent.

And they're still able to have educated discussions and talks about the furtherance of this alliance.

And the reason they're doing it is not because they necessarily are per se, hate the US dollar

or be it I'm sure Putin would certainly love to see something bad happen to the dollar.

The bottom line is they're doing it because it makes financial sense for their nations.

And I've already found that by not utilizing dollars and by utilizing their localized or domestic currencies,

it's added tremendous strength to their bottom line in each country.

And so even if their intentions were not pure, the results are looking to be really more than pure.

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One thing about the BRICS nations, a couple of things about them is their currencies

really aren't as strong as the dollar independently.

They sort of put things together, build a gold back currency.

And believe me, there are a lot of politicians who say, if we went back to the gold standard

by gum, the dollar would be so much stronger.

But you couldn't do as much with the USAID.

You couldn't do as much with trying to pretend things aren't going to go so bad during a rough period with quantitative easing.

You can't do that with the gold standard.

In fact, these nations are saying, well, now that the dollar is falling down against our currency,

we should do something about that maybe create what the US lost.

Is that what's kind of going on here with BRICS?

Yeah, I would say so, and not only that, it also, if you think about it,

it's sort of they get the advantage of the best of both worlds.

They're already using the US dollar as part of their reserve currencies,

but now they're branching out from that, forming their own alliance,

and using physical gold to back up their currencies.

Whereas we really haven't been doing anything to add additional gold reserves.

I mean, there's a lot of people that question whether or not we even have the gold reserves that we once had,

or if that gold has been leveraged many times over.

Yeah, what happened opening Fort Knox?

And you guys talked about that on a podcast?

Yeah, that seemed to have gone away really fast.

I think Musk and Trump took a quick field trip and said everything was okay,

and it just ended up.

You're all per war, perhaps they saw that it wasn't okay,

and that's why they stopped talking about it, you know, I don't know.

I don't know if we can find it or move along.

What do you want to take?

I don't want to say this before though, Chris.

I wish Musk would tackle the whole moon landing thing.

He's got the equipment to do it.

That's been burning up the internet.

Forget about Fort Knox.

That is what it is.

Tell us what happened really with the moon.

Anyway, that's a whole nother top.

We have maybe some moon rock based currency.

That could work too.

Well, if we've been to the moon, maybe.

Well, let's get to this next level because you're the, you guys,

the Swiss America specializes in precious metals.

That includes gold, silver, platinum.

I believe palladium, but correct me if I'm wrong.

There's a physical metal investment metal.

We do.

Correct.

Before you guys, I thought palladium was the place where my favorite

80s dance point, we don't go down your memory lane in music.

We're going to be here a long time.

Yeah, I think we will.

Let's get back on track because the bricks nations and this is where

it gets really important here.

They're picking up a hoarding gold at a high pace.

Central banks around the world are picking up and buying gold.

The US has been asleep at the wheel for what, 20 years now on this one.

I mean, yeah, if not longer.

I mean, look, you hit on, you hit on something earlier that, you know,

the dollar, the dollars looked at as, as the world's reserve currency.

And a large part of that was, you know, the, because of the petrol

dollar and what happened, you know, during OPEC where, you know, it was decided

that the oil transactions around the world, if you were Russia,

you had to convert your rubles into dollars in order to make that purchase.

If you're Chinese, you have to take the yuan, convert that into dollars.

So it created instant world-wide demand for our currency.

That's where the strength comes from.

I mean, if you look at the strength in our dollar in the utilization of our

dollar, as that was happening, that's, our debt has consistently been growing

along with it.

So my point is, the strength was not based on how good our currency was,

per se.

It was just, they were, other nations were forced to have to deal with it.

And so now that's, that's what's creating is, I guess I'll say potentially

creating, but I think it's going to be a real problem for the United States.

These nations have already stopped utilizing US dollars in oil transactions.

And so now we have a, now we have this issue of a huge debt, huge interest on our debt.

And that strength that we originally derived from the people other nations having to use

our currency, that's gone now, too.

And so we are, we are, it's kind of, it's kind of like being in the worst debt you've

ever been in your life and losing your job at the same time.

That's not a good formula.

And that's kind of where we're at.

I think I've been there a few times, but that's another story for another day.

Well, in that respect, you pick yourself up from that sort of thing.

Am I correct here?

So I want to get into the bricks nations hoarding gold and potentially controlling

a whole nose load of the rare earth minerals.

I do want to get into that, but quick question.

I'm pretty sure that our audience is, is asking it, is, is this curable?

Is this repairable with the dollar?

And is there any chance maybe Americans, American leaders might consider pulling,

pushing back to the gold standard?

Well, I'd hate to say that we can't, you know, we can't reverse things.

But whether or not we can, I don't know.

I have the faith that we could do it if the right people were in office.

I think President Trump, you know, went into his first term and certainly now his second

with the idea of cleaning things up, but I think he also found out it probably isn't

quite as easy as he had hoped.

And there's a lot of opposition to it, you know, I mean, to do what we would need to do

to strengthen our dollar and to cut spending would be a difficult thing for a lot of these

politicians.

A lot of them have made big promises to get funding to even run their campaigns and be

elected.

And now they've got to pay on those favors, right?

They've got to return those favors.

And that comes in the form of dollars and influence.

And so while I do think it's possible, it's a huge chore.

And I don't think we could completely reverse the negative effects.

Can we slow it?

Can we make our currency more appealing for other nations in the world and maybe make people

a little bit more hesitant to join bricks and maybe stay on the dollar train?

Yes, I think we can do that.

But can we completely undo 30, 40 years of damage?

That's a tall order.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Well, I'll tell you another thing, you know, in one of the articles that we have here

up from MSN talks about how in 2023, Chris, the president of Brazil, what is it, Louise

Enacio?

Lula?

Lula, I call him here.

Yeah.

Okay.

But, you know, so he's talking about, you know, what's been going on with bricks and, you

know, this goes back to 2023 and they're, you know, talking about putting some kind of

a payment system in place.

And as I was reading through that article, you know, what was really kind of a concern,

a concerning aspect to it is that because it's very valid, okay, it's very valid.

He says, and I'll quote here, why do we not try to create something new?

And then he says, who decided after abandoning the gold standard, the dollar should be the

currency, rather than the one that you want, the real or the peso, and the reason that

to me that's concerning is because they're actually asking good questions.

That's actually, wow, I, I end up, I will give you the you on answer because every time

Chattano finds himself in some kind of trouble or, or major success, by the way, when it

comes to, it's economy, they find it, they manipulate that you want one way or another

to a, keep a flow and maintain that preferred developing nation status.

Sure.

So it's a benefits international.

Sure.

100%.

Yeah.

But again, they're asking a good question.

Like, it basically, I guess to, like, a continuation of that question, or that sentiment

or that thought of his is, it speaks to the fact they're like, well, wait a minute,

why are we, why are we forcing ourselves to continue utilizing the dollar?

Who decided the dollar was king, which opened this, this was 2023, it's 2026 now.

So this opened up the mental doorway or path for them to start saying, well, maybe what

could we put in place?

And then they did.

It's been a progression where they started talking about a currency, then they started

talking about a digital platform.

And let me tell you something.

Another thing with their currency and their digital platform, they've made some very,

very good progress, good, good headwind, headway with it.

But they're very careful, too, to not launch anything yet because it's not ready.

It's not right.

And they're not in a rush.

They're doing things the right way.

And that's, I look at the lack of organization.

It seems we have financially in our country, which we just talked about a moment ago.

And then you look at these bricks nations that, that, that, pair in mind, they're part

of bricks, this alliance, but they're also their own individual nations as well.

So there's, there's two dynamics at play here.

But they seem to have their financial house collectively better or more in order than we

do singularly.

That makes a lot of sense.

And if you think about the dollar kind of taking over from, well, I'll even say from

the beginning of the 20th century on forward, you got to think, maybe the same question

was asked of, uh, asked of how, uh, President Truman, who died and made you boss.

I think that's what he said to him right now, that's what my, that's what my wife said

in me this morning.

Who died and made the dollar boss, that's what, but we'll talk about that.

And I do want to talk a little more about bricks hoarding gold.

I want to talk about what this, all this tells investors and why gold has been going

up on a regular basis for the last few years, while the dollar was down and central banks

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of the very cool podcast, The Secret War on Cash, and a coming, very cool podcast that

you'll find out more about if you listen to The Secret War on Cash.

Gentlemen, talk about that podcast.

I'd rather enjoy it.

Well, thank you for that.

You know, the Allah Christ has talked a little bit as well, but real quick, the whole purpose

of the podcast, Chris, was that, you know, we tend to be more of a information source

and resource for our clients and our prospective clients first.

And then as they're, if they see there's a need for metals in their portfolio or to be

diversified, which in today's day and age there really is for everybody.

But that, you know, that's where we take that education step first and then they become

clients second, if you will.

And the podcast in large part is just something we did to, you know, in today's day and age,

having a digital presence is important where, you know, people, it's not like 20 years

ago, there is so many different sources that you can go to for your news and your information.

And you know, this is just a way, this podcast that we can reach those people who want to

perhaps tune into something or hear or read about something on their own terms and their

own time.

But to show itself, you know, I've been, I've been at Swiss American Alpha over 33 years.

I started off in the investment banking business back in 1991, I believe it was.

The bottom line is it's like, I still stay on top of, we're not in the financial market

and news because it bears relevance to all of us teaching every one of us in our lives.

And with that being said, you know, oftentimes I'll have CNBC on in my office or throughout

the day, et cetera.

And it's interesting because these issues we talk about on our podcast that are directly,

not only affecting families and households, but in many cases hurting them, like inflation,

you know, the price of energy going up, the price of food going up, the cost of living,

just in general going up, you don't, you don't find the major news networks really addressing

those issues.

In fact, if anything, they try and reassure us that inflation isn't checked or that everything

is in order.

And the purpose or the goal of our podcast is to not to, not saying this guy is falling,

but we're saying, look, here's, here's some real stuff that's happening in the economy.

And these are the reasons to be diversified.

This is why you should have your stocks, your bonds, your mutual funds, but also gold,

also silver, land cash, keep a good balance, just like you're talking about your energy

bar.

Just like you want balance for your diet, you want balance for your finance.

So Chris, I let you expand on that.

Yeah.

Well, I think too, I hear a lot from clients that you're right.

Number one, they can't find this information unless they're really seeking it, right?

You're not just going to flip on the news and hear about a lot of these topics.

But on top of that, too, they also want a simple explanation.

And I think especially in the world of finance, some things are very complicated, certainly.

But a lot of it's pretty simple.

And I think a lot of the talking heads and even a lot of investment firms, I think they

want to make it seem a bit more complicated than it is so that you need to go to them to

kind of decipher it and navigate what could be a relatively simple situation.

So I think they like the fact that we can just casually explain some of these scenarios

in plain English that the average person can understand.

And where they can put in 8, 10, 12 minutes of time, maybe on their commute or while

they're at the gym and stay up to speed on a lot of these issues without having to do

hours and hours of research every week.

Because obviously, unless you work in this kind of industry, you're probably not going

to want to spend your spare time reading about what's going on in the financial market.

And you know, if I had one other thing, Chris, that's what bricks is an interesting topic

to that point is that it is a, it's a real thing.

And what they're talking about is not only is going to have a take a toll or have an effect,

but it is, it's doing that as we speak.

And you won't find, I don't, Chris, you can kind of add in if you know otherwise, but

I don't find on any of the major news networks, the financial ones that rarely, if I'd say

ever, do they talk about bricks and it is, so it's a, it is becoming kind of an imminent

threat, but yet something that doesn't even get addressed.

And it's directly involved with almost all of our foreign policy right now.

If you really look at the underlying issues, it will look at it Venezuela, but Venezuela

wanted to get into bricks for a long time.

You also had to deal with Venezuela, Cuba, China, China, obviously, one of the major,

major pieces of the derealization movement.

Iran knows it can't beat the US in a flat out war by the way.

But as part of bricks, it can probably take, it can probably help take down the US dollar

economically.

And that's something a lot of these nations who are sort of adversarial to us may have

an interest in.

This is where a lot of the foreign policy is going.

And yes, China definitely is an interest to reducing what a lot of other nations might

call dollar hegemon, but there has to be some sort of stable currency.

We might see, as we see in the future, we might not see the dollar go down, but we might

see, let's say a two and maybe potentially third system of trade, depending on which

nations are which, and currency, whereas it might have to fall in a different way, or

they have to kind of learn how to live together in the future.

Is that, am I far off here?

I don't think so, also, and that's just it, as they develop viable alternatives to the

dollar, even if it doesn't completely wipe out the US dollar, right?

I don't know that that's going to happen, or at least at any time in the near future.

But even if it doesn't just weaken our currency, it also, it does weaken our influence.

And that's really what having the US dollar be, the world's reserve currency, that's really

what it has given us.

A lot of advantages and a lot of influence in matters around the world, whether it be political

or economic.

And so losing any sort of footing there is not a positive thing for the dollar.

And doesn't have to be one or the other, that the dollar either wins or loses.

But if we're constantly being pressured and losing political influence and financial

influence in other parts of the world, it's not a good thing.

For our country or our currency.

Yeah, and I would add to that, you know, do any of the three of us on this show, do we want

the dollar to fail or crash?

Do we want our economy to hit a roadblock or crash, as they say?

Heavens no, but the challenge is that most people are walking around with this mindset that

says, well, we're the United States, so everything's going to be okay and it'll all work

itself out.

And that's kind of back to like what, you know, the president of Brazil, he's talking

about is how, how like, you know, well, why is there this just assumption that everything

is just going to work itself out?

We already have countries that are not buying our treasuries anymore, one, but two, they're

actually dumping our treasuries because they don't want the exposure.

You know, in a best case of scenario, you'd ask the question earlier, Chris, you know,

what might happen or what this is going to look like.

In a best case scenario, from everything I've seen red and believe is that there's going

to be some kind of a reset.

What does that reset look like?

Is it a transition into a digital currency, is it a issuance of a new currency?

Who knows?

But I can tell you, it's probably if and if and when we have that reset, it's probably

going to come at some kind of cost and probably a great cost to not only some people, but

perhaps a lot of people, meaning citizens like you and I, especially if we're not in a

position where we have ourselves to financially diversified in a way to not be completely vulnerable.

And of course, I do want to say you can catch the podcast, the secret war in cash on YouTube

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to be a lot more out there too, a lot more channels coming up for you as well.

And of course, the website SwissAmerica.com, we can also get the secret war on cash,

newsletter and other other newsletters as well.

I want to get into this because again, you, you fellows are precious metals experts and you feel

and precious metals.

I wouldn't say we're experts.

We've been doing it a long time.

There we go.

All right.

Well, yeah, that sounds like a lot of pressure.

Well, all right, how about how that compared to me?

There we go.

I'm just a guy behind a microphone who thinks Yukon Cornelius is rather cool.

But anyway, having said that, there are central banks in Europe and Eastern Europe.

Well, I guess that's part of Europe, Asia.

Even just all over the world, bricks nations are trying to hoard some gold as well.

They're all buying gold.

They're all trying to get someone put it away.

What does that do to the supply be?

How have investors, like the Warren Buffets of the world,

have noticed this and maybe reacted?

Well, but hopefully I can't, I can't really speak to that to that end.

In fact, I don't even know what he's doing these days.

I know he's kind of stepped down, I think, but I don't know what that actually looks like.

Look, there's two, there's two very important aspects to your question.

The first of which being why they're buying a gold is they see there are problems brewing out there

in the global marketplace and the global economy.

So that's, and we've said on our podcast frequently to people like,

take a page out of their book.

These guys probably know a little bit about what they're doing,

especially when it comes to the world of finance.

But the second part of it that's equally important or relevant is the fact that

in order to buy all of this gold, you have to understand they have to buy it with something.

Meaning like it's, they're taking, they're getting rid of something to purchase something.

So what have they largely been getting rid of?

US dollars.

So it's a twofold thing.

They're not only getting that gold to put that in their coffers,

but they're doing so because yes, they do see the future of gold being better,

which it has been.

I mean, when we started our podcast, gold was less than 2000

announced, even with today's pullback, it's still a $4,500 announced and expected to go to 10

by many people in the next several months or a few years.

So the bottom line is that that's what speaks volumes is that just like all these other

individual and independent nations that have been kind of de-dollarizing as they call it,

that's the same thing the central banks are doing right now because they know that there's

a vulnerability there, period.

Well, and gold has, you got to remember, it's been a store of wealth for thousands of years,

and currencies come and go, and obviously being here in the US, I'm proud American,

and I don't ever want to see the US dollar go by the wayside.

But I also know that if you look at history, man-made currencies can only last so long,

and we've already had a great run with the US dollar.

So while I hope that continues, I also know that I better have a backup plan,

and I better not have all my eggs in one basket.

And I think a lot of these other nations in their central banks are following that same mantra

and simply diversifying themselves into something that they know has stood the test of time.

And that long-term track record is something that you can never take away from gold,

at least through existence, to this point in history.

So you just don't have that kind of stability with anything else quite honestly.

And it's something you can hold in your hand, too.

Well, a lot of these investments, and I want to get to this before we sign off.

A lot of people say, well, we're into gold ETFs.

And this is, we have investments that are borderline on gold.

It's a lot different from actually owning physical gold.

And I believe people should understand that when it comes to value and the future of the metal.

Yeah, absolutely. And I would compare it to,

I think real estate is a pretty common example that people can relate to.

You can either take some of your savings and go by a physical property,

maybe a vacation home, a place you can enjoy, or a rental property you can rent out,

or you can simply invest in a fund, a real estate fund, where you're buying shares.

The difference is obvious to your average investor.

One, you can actually use and touch and hold and stand on.

And the other is just simply numbers on a statement.

And I think for most of our clients, I am a lot of people in the world today,

they like the idea of having something that is real, that in this day of electronics

and software programs, which have made our lives easier in so many different ways, right?

And made things very convenient. It's also given us, I think, some anxiety over security

and safety with all the hacking and things of that nature that can go on.

And people like having something albeit maybe a little old-fashioned,

but something that they can physically hold and trust that hasn't let man down for thousands of years.

Yeah, and I think another important thing. I think a lot of people don't really understand this,

but again, they believe that the dollars are currency, that it's always been our currency,

and that's where the strength comes from, its longevity, its history.

And it's just not true. Even in the last less than 100 years,

our currency has changed more than people realize, meaning that we were utilizing gold as currency

up until 33 when the United States government confiscated it. Now, when they confiscated it,

they, what they did is they said, we're going to maintain this ownership of gold,

that by law you have to turn your gold in, the government said.

But we're going to maintain the gold, and your currency you have is partially backed by gold.

Okay, so that was the program we were on, and that went all the way up until the 70s.

Now, in 71 is when they say they got rid of that partial gold back.

So, you're already now on our third version of a currency since 1933.

Does that make sense? And then now we went from,

now we have a completely debt-based currency that, meaning that it's a piece of paper, it's an IOU,

that has just been printed into infinitum, and it's backed and tied to the greatest

debtor nation in the history of mankind. And so, we're talking about a currency that literally

only has, give or take, a 50-year track record, and that 50-year track record,

the only reason the strength has been there to a great extent, like we talked about earlier

on the show, was when the petrol dollar came in through the OPEC agreement. And so,

that's where I think people think it's on more stable ground than what it really is.

It's not what we wish about on it, but just that this is what it is. You can't argue the facts.

Well, I'll continue this discussion in the future, which we will. I want to thank you for being

here with me. Dean Heskin, Chris Agalesto, Dean Heskin is the CEO of Swiss America. You can

find the SwissAmerica.com, Chris from Swiss America, and both the co-hosts are the extremely

cool podcast. The secret war on cash, check it out. I want to thank all of you for listening today

on, on, on unleash the political news hour. I'm Chris Gordani, let's all unleash the truth.