How Exposing Penguinz0 Ended MamaMax’s Career | Internet Anarchist

0:00What's the fastest way to ruin your YouTube reputation? Is it mixing fact with fiction when covering serious investigations? Or is it lying about catching predators so that viewers support you on Patreon? Or maybe is it threatening and harassing other creators who didn't spread your message? Perhaps the better question is, how do you get away with it not one spurt multiple times? Hi, I'm the internet anarchist, I create weekly YouTube documentaries and today we'll be diving into the disturbing decisions that led one of YouTube's most respected predator hunters, Mama Max, to losing over 50,000 subscribers in January of 2024 alone, possibly ending his well-respected career on YouTube. Max's main channel Mama Max was created on the 26th of May 2016

1:13with his first upload coming just two days later. However, judging from the comments, Max already had a dedicated fan base that loved him long before his channel existed. With comments reading, we have missed you Mama, glad you're back, the king is back. The love and admiration towards Max only grew, as Max discussed themes of emotional distress in his life's suck series, which was meant to comfort viewers, going through similar negative emotions. While there were light-hearted uploads like his saving game documentary series, and his anime reviews, a majority of the subject matter on Max's channel was dark and edgy in nature, something that would only get worse with time. By the 27th of March 2020, Max uploaded the video, cartoon and copyrighted.mp4, which would go on to set the tone for his channel moving forwards. Today, You and I are going to hunt some. The upload featured Max documenting his journey through the dark recesses of YouTube,

2:15in search of users with malicious intent towards children. At the time, YouTube was dealing with an overwhelming infestation of predators, and through videos like this, Max made his mission to bring them to justice. Max's surreal editing style and provocative elements propelled the video to over 2 million views, bringing in overwhelming support for his attempts to clean up YouTube, and cartoon-incorporated was the first and a long line of so-called predator hunting videos that were uploaded to his channel. With videos like KidsChat.net and MyLol.apk receiving millions of views and hundreds of hatred on pledges, Max had found not just financial success, but an identity. At this point, Max had fully leaned into this edgy investigator persona that thrived from exposing predators. Unfortunately, this kind of content could get any craterant trouble with YouTube's strict moderation, and Max was no exception. On the 13th of September 2020, Max received a strike on his video titled Hunting Predators on a Children's Dating App for Herassment. He responded to the situation by confronting YouTube about the decision to take down

3:48Max would end his rant by asking his viewers to reach out to either YouTube or any other popular creators to get answers on why the platform was supposedly protecting this. All I ask is for you to tweet to team YouTube, Susan Wajiski, H3H3, Philip DeFranco, Moist Critical, Scarce, Game Start Markiplier or whoever your preferred voice to get through to YouTube is with the message. The hashtag and through our sp-tube almost immediately gained traction on Twitter, morphing into numerous viewers and creators making the black and white argument that either YouTube supported his cause or that were protecting predators. However, the situation was far more nuanced than that. So when it comes to YouTube and when it comes to the idea of hey, is this site picking aside between protecting individuals that are predatory and I feel that if you have predatory issues on your platform and you should use your platform to call out actual predators on the internet. Again, this content, some of the people that are making it sometimes will go above and beyond with

4:53their storytelling or their coverage where they may unintentionally violate something TOS-related. They may reveal personal information, they may show some- and in that case YouTube has to act in favor of a predator, at least that's what it appears to be. It's not the YouTube I think is assisting any predators, it's literally because the content that is uploaded may not have been checked or screened hard enough and YouTube has had to enact its TOS on that content. On 27th of December 2021, Max had acquired a second strike and with it came another campaign against YouTube. While the goal of eradicating predators on the platform was a noble one, the methods at Max employed were becoming increasingly more problematic. The video titled pickerside.wind served as a catalyst for getting YouTube's attention, and while it seemed while meaning at first, the conversation quickly shifted to Max-excusing YouTube of some very horrible things. The first portion of the video was a compilation of various creators shown complaints about moderation on the platform. In contrast, the second half of the video saw Max borderline

5:56demanding that popular creators like Charlie, Philip DeFranco, Ethan and Cops Husband spread the hashtag. He even threatened Cops Husband to speak on the matter based on past personal issues. Into top things off, Max directly accused YouTube of loving predators. Max was already crossing

7:06the line to get his point across, and it was only a matter of time before someone called him out for it. On the 28th of December 2021, Tommy C went live to YouTube to give his reaction to Max's pick a slide video, and within minutes he had already identified the major pitfalls that were going unnoticed. Tommy went on to point out the fact that Max framed things as either you agree and support our cause or your predator, as well as stating that the campaign was more about Max and less about the children he claimed to protect. Before Tommy could fully go through the video, entered the stream chat and demanded that they enter the call. I just was informed that Model X is interested in talking and he's in way to call right now. Well he's gonna have to wait because I'm going through this nightmare and I said I've only skimmed coming in I want to get a live reaction to this. This is the way it's being presented right here.

8:08Hey time to be positive real quick. Sure. I don't like a lot of chat. I'm trying to bait you and you're putting them on. He's saying which we could have talked like adults man. Because I was like adults you didn't make a video like a fucking adult don't give me this you should contact me ahead of time by the way get me off through something like this last year your time's up. Oh, you know what you're gonna wait until my show's done instead of you coming in here and throwing run red airing after another trying to get away from the fact that this is sloth. By the time it was done reacting to the video Tommy was firmly in the opinion that Max was trying to use other creators to promote his guideline disputes with YouTube and used the veil of children versus predators to cover his intent with that being said one section of Max's video stood out to Tommy above all specifically when Max uses a clip of Tommy but never actually reached out to him to cover the story. So again I'm gonna have to upset all of my I get in here. Unbelievable. You know what? He know what that tells me he didn't send me the fucking DM because he knew I would

9:08get C right through it. He knew I would expose him and he figured putting me at the end. This is a threat. This is a threat. When Max was questioned on the Half-Baked podcast about the objective of the hashtag pick-as-side movement he immediately dodged the question. You used it to try to reach bigger YouTubers but is any of this like this is a way to make my channel go to the next level? No. I think my channel's got taken down for making a video like this. Everyone's saying be careful. I like don't let your channel get turned in. I want to see some progress specifically with YouTube and us. Ultimately Max had got everything he wanted. Pick-as-side YouTube had taken over online discourse. His platform was flooded with new supporters and YouTube provided him with a channel manager. However that outcome led Max to believe two very destructive ideas. One, anyone that questioned him, his mission, or the methods he used was to be labelled a predator. And two, the quickest way to spread the message was to get other established creators

10:11to signal-bust it. Nothing illustrates the first point better than how Max attacks the reputations of both Magnetar and Tommy. His video title would believe all abusers, which was meant to debunk allegations from his ex-girlfriends, devolved into an attack of the YouTuber who posted them, Magnetar. While the allegations and claims from both parties are concerning, I'd like you to focus on how Max used his platform and status as a quote, predator hunter to confidently label Magnetar as one. Worse still, he did it with little to no evidence besides a testimony of one witness doxing Magnetar in the process. To back out these claims, Max shows a long list of DMs and the claims of one girl. He graduated high school and he was an adult. He sent his students to a high schooler. He was around 14 years old, 15 years old. We were like hanging out and she's like, this guy is so angry. He's like, kids, so we're just like, oh my gosh.

11:14Max goes on to state that the evidence on Magnetar is insufficient to build a case, despite claiming his had hundreds of victims. But I have not made a video on him, despite wanting to, all these years, because I do not want to harass them and I feel this is not enough evidence to build an entire case against him. So I have not and will not until we have more proof. We know that he has multiple victims spanning the past eight years, and if anyone wants to come forward, email me with the subject line Anthony Field. Accusing people of being predators wasn't always something Max did directly, as seen in his response to Tommy C. During his documentary titled, this is what happened to a child predator on TikTok. Max took out some of the videos runtime to glot about the success of Pick a Side YouTube and to mean Tommy C for going against them. From the very DNA I designed the Pick a Side campaign, we impaled the moms to how allow message into the high heavens,

12:14some with a bit more salt than others. While showing out of context clips of Tommy that made him look crazy, Max sprinkled in over 15 QR codes that contained messages meant to put down his opposition, and implied they were a predator. These accusations wouldn't go unnoticed by Max's community, as both Tommy and Magnata received ample harassment from them over the years. The power was already clouding Max's judgement, and if he deemed a message your case was worth sharing, then it was going to be shared by every creator he knew, whether they liked it or not. Sadly, that tactic only worked the first two times. By the time he went for the third attempt, people began looking into his claims more seriously, and what they found upended Max's entire career. Lately, I've been always on the move, from checking the mountains of Thailand to spending hours grinding video editing. And there's one thing that's been a game changer for me, this video is sponsored Raycon and their everyday earbuds, where they're listening to energising music while working out, or listening to a podcast on my daily commute.

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14:18Welcome to your programming. Kindly send this video to your favourite influencer. We will test them on the content of their character. Do not listen to their words. Look at their actions. Let us begin. After priming viewers with several philosophical questions, Max details a story of a girl who may wear wolf cult leader allegedly victimised. On March 18th 2016, Spencer, a 16 year old girl from Wiley Texas, mysteriously disappeared, lured by the illusion of joining a supernatural family as a vampire. On some random corner of the internet, she actually found herself and smeared in a dangerous cult, led by a child posing as a werewolf god. Max spent the rest of the video trying to provoke his audience into reaching out to larger channels that could help spread Spencer's testimony. Although the claims made in the video were shocking, Max had provided almost no evidence to support them. It was as if Max expected the internet to pick up the story

15:21based on the statements of a single individual. By now, viewers had begun to connect the dots, and the comment section was flooded with aggressive criticism towards Max. In a bid to turn the public opinion in his favour, Max disabled the comment section and directed viewers to a live stream on Spencer's channel to further elaborate on the case. It was basically supernatural cult where he commenced all of us that we were vampires, werewolves, hybrids, celestials and all this shit. And then he would sit there and claim that he knew God and then there was one point in the cult where God was dead and he was the new God. The stream was four hours long and mostly featured Spencer's account of a time and new-ledged werewolf cult. The extreme duration of the stream and the lack of substantial evidence put many of the viewers off from interacting with it, which was something Max couldn't tolerate. On the 11th of November 2023, Max published the video titled, This is what happened to Mama Max, where he vented his frustration at the lack of support

16:24from his viewers and fellow content creators. At times mocking both parties for not seeing the significance of what he was creating. If PewDiePie can come back and talk about sniper wolf, then he and others can talk about the nightmarish realities that millions of children are enduring every day. Last week I released a journey video in collaboration with the survivors of a destructive cult that has victimized hundreds of miners. Despite its significance, it turned out to be the worst performing video on my channel. The black and white thinking from previous campaigns was on full display as Max berated the online community for not joining him on another crusade of internet chaos. I had hoped that influencers, especially those who've interacted with my content before, would step up, even if it was part of a more lighthearted stream, like a Halloween special. Unfortunately, it seems that self-preservation always child welfare for

17:26most influencers. Max was fixating on metrics and negative feedback instead of trying to handle the case properly or at the very least explaining it coherently. To many, it seemed like this case wasn't about the victims of...and instead, it was about Max getting the recognition and praise he thought he deserved. This line of thinking was further supported by Max's next upload, titled, This is the greatest cancellation of all time, at pink one zero. Now retitled, reacting to the reactions of SSNIP wolves actions. The video was another desperate grab at attention, but this time, Max implied that the issues he discussed were far more important than what anyone else had to say, and therefore, other crays were obligated to talk about it, especially Charlie. Max had reached out to Charlie concerning the case before and wasn't going to stop until he got a reply. Charlie, you are a voice heard by millions. We reached out hoping for a private response at the very least. Your platform has the power to drive significant change, yet many voices remain

18:30unheard amid the digital climber. You've built the platform that resonates with a vast audience, a platform that has the incredible potential not just to entertain, but to empower. Your voice can reach corners of the internet that many of us cannot, making you not just an influencer, but a potential catalyst for much needed awareness and action. There were many things Max could have done to get the word out, but trying to get others into doing it for him was the worst way possible to handle it, something that he would have immensely regret in the coming months. To offset the criticism and explain his actions, Max went on a narrow deleted stream titled, Fight Me, to discuss the points being made against him. However, that didn't work well for them, as Max and Spencer were mostly condescending towards the critics while putting their message on an untouchable pedestal, a stance that only alienated people they were trying to convince. And just overall, it's one of the strangest, weirdest videos and kind of guilt-tripping people into

19:34doing the same type of content he's making when most of us are actually... All right, I'm not trying to guilt-trip y'all. I am telling y'all the truth, the objective truth. There are millions of children that are enslaved that need our help. Jolly's brief response to the situation a few days later only added to the growing outrage towards Max. Stop ignoring Mama Max. Yeah, still here. You want me to talk about it a little bit? That rubbed me the wrong way. We talked like a month ago about what he was working on in his investigation. And then, apparently when I had COVID, he messaged me a couple times and I never saw it, and now he's taken that as me ghosting him and ignoring his very important mission. And it really rubs me the wrong way. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to make Max reconsider his actions. As he continued to go live to talk about the case while refusing to give any evidence or answer questions directly. Just because Charlie is a big YouTuber, there shouldn't be an expectation that he should be able to cover like child...

20:35Or child... ...efficating or human trafficking. You know, that's ridiculous to try to push that onto him, and you're doing it very in a manipulative way. Spencer, what do you think? Who cares about Spencer? You're the guy with the fucking platform. I'm sorry, I'll do respect, but I don't give a fuck about this person's opinion. You're the one of 760K subs. What the fuck? Max was clearly not ready to have a productive dialogue on how to go about the case, and instead wanted to garner more publicity and donations by interviewing survivors on stream or threatening other creators to cover it. Max was prioritising getting more eyes on the investigation, but he failed to realise that it would lead to more scrutiny around all his previous investigations. Users on Reddit began taking a closer look at Max's catalog and made several chilling observations. Reading, I think Mum and Max has faked some of his content. This may be already obvious to some folks, but it's wild to me that he insists these are real situations. There's so many story conveniences and coincidences in his videos, as well as, Max's mega uploads are suspended and reported to law enforcement, with the account being taken down for possible child material.

21:39From uncovering inconsistencies in his previous uploads to finding objectionable content in his mega folders, users were poking noticeable holes in Max's facade as a predator hunter. However, it was Max who truly tore down his reputation. On the 5th of January 2024, Max started what would now be known as the worst and longest livestream of his career. For the first half of the 8-hour stream, Max interviews two new survivors, while deflecting critical questions from viewers about what he was doing. Keg keeps donating. Why are you supporting this if you disagree with it? He said clearly more interested in virtue signaling and moral support than fixing peeds. I'm Audi, Camden is nothing, small fry, way bigger systems out there. Ah, that's very disrespectful. And he is part of the system just as you are, just as we all are. When the viewers weren't able to get through to Max, his close friends and fellow craters called in to talk some sense into him. But sadly, that didn't work either. There's a way to present it, the way to handle this, before you get to that point, right?

22:41And that's what we need to be focusing on. That's like where everything needs to be centered on. This is where I'm at and that's all I really can say about the situation. Okay, so I would have really appreciated this like two months ago when we first reached out. I reached out to you and multiple other creators asking for help. And none of you were responsive. I understand you all are busy and doing your own things. But this is the first time I've ever handled the case of this complexity and magnitude and that is why I was asking for help. If you go to police and say they say, okay, yay, we're going to go get him or whatever. I don't know, live in a dream land, whatever you want to feel. Are you going to court after that? I'm unsure about the entire process. I think that's the job of the district attorney. But y'all would likely, the survivors would likely appear as witnesses. Okay, what bothers me is your answer right there. You've been doing this for five years and you don't know how the process goes. To cover his blunder, Max immediately made the stream private and threatened to flag channels at Reuploaded it with a tweet from lyrics reading, Maumamax just threatened to flag my channel.

23:42Shortly after our debate last night, he DMs me at 2am asking to sense our slash, take down my stream because of a privacy complaint he has. And I complied. But then accuses me of bullying victims, not true for your information, heavily implying he's going to flag me. The recent streams weren't the only thing Max was trying to hide. As he either deleted or unlisted, his previous uploads. Unfortunately for Max, there were two videos on the horizon that he couldn't strike down. Both containing information that revealed just how badly the investigation was going. From the 17th to the 18th of January, 2024, Nicholas Deoreo and Moodahar from some ordinary gamers would publish their respective hour long reports on Max's investigation. Next video came first, and mostly explored the unethical practices that had infested Max's investigation. One of which was Max's conflict of interest when it came to Spencer. Spencer was a close family friend who was now living with Max, receiving income from his streams and was put in charge of handling funds. They would be allocated to the other seven known survivors. Next, Nickel didn't

24:45to the convoluted information given to the viewers during the God Cult campaign, concluding that Max had never fully explained what exactly the wherewith cult was, or even given it a name. Then there was the matter of the previous investigations, having either inconsistent information, weak evidence, or none at all, which led Nick to speculate on whether or not any other predators were actually arrested. I don't give a shit if my video comes back up. It did what it needed to do. The best that was in the video is currently in police custody. Was that as a result of your video or was that prior to the video? Yes, it was not a good video. On of the police asked him to come back or he went on his own volition or they forced him to come back. I don't know any of those details. I just know he went back to Canada and was in police custody for a certain amount of time. Throughout the video, Nick concluded snippets from a discord call between him, Mooda and Max, which showed Max's unwillingness to confront reality. Yeah, why are you putting it all on me? Because it's your case! One breathing is wired up. Absolutely, on him the first one. You are the only one. You haven't

25:45convinced anyone to come on board yet. You haven't convinced exactly. You haven't been listening to this. That's because you haven't been giving anybody anything to work with. This for months. Yeah, I'm going to like Mooda. I'm moving anywhere close to the situation. Mooda, why can't you take initiative to talk to other survivors? Well, I'm talking to you right now more than anybody else. Shortly after, Mooda published his take on the subject and covered similar points to the ones Nick made. However, Mooda made shorter shed light on the incompetent tactics that Max built his case on. According to Mooda, the investigation into the wherewith code had not yet yielded enough evidence to support Max's outrageous claims. Remember, Max was accusing someone of serious crimes against hundreds of children, but it only gave spoken word testimony to back those accusations. In the same video where he is discussing very serious allegations and very, very serious stories regarding victims, you can imagine why a lot of people are looking at this as him treating this as a joke. It's not a

26:47joke. This is serious. And in reality, what are people like Mr. Beast? What are people like Pewdiepie going to do? What are you going to bring his kid into this? What is a father now? So he's not going to signal boost unsubstantiated claims? As his credibility faded away, Max was frantically trying to shift the narrative with his, I place accountability in my own hands video. You'd expect the title and thumbnail to be followed by straightforward apology from Max, but that wasn't what viewers got. Instead, they were treated to 15 minutes of Max avoiding the mess that he had created. I've got people telling me just to talk about the case and nothing else. I've got people telling me just address the criticisms. I've got people telling me just apologize. I feel like I'm being pulled in every which way and no matter how hard I try, I cannot make everyone happy. People say, just wait for law enforcement to do something, but we've waited seven years and they haven't done anything. So we decided to just go public with it and put eyes on him and people wanted evidence,

27:51so we've been inviting people to our little server where we have the evidence, but then people don't want to listen to the survivors when they're in there and just look at the evidence and conclude it's nothing. Max wasn't fooling anyone with that approach. Members of the audience at once defended Max were now begging him to either tackle the case professionally or drop it. And you know there's a problem when comments have more likes than the actual video itself. Max's sub-parapology was only employed to sway public opinion and it was failing horribly. Pair this with the fact that there were discolid leaks of him threatening legal action against Mooter and is no wonder why the apology fell flat. With a text reading, Spencer and I are considering a class action lawsuit against Mooter Ha for breaching our non-disclosure agreement. His extremely rich, so the lawsuit takes one million dollars in damages to be distributed between you all. This goes on to show that Max's priorities weren't aligned with solving the case, but rather, he was solely set on maximising personal gain. From the 19th to the 21st of January 2024, Slug Max's former editor took to

28:56YouTube and read it to leak footage of Max saying what he truly thought about people like Charlie. I could literally cancel you Charlie. I could literally cancel you. And I choose not to. It's true though, it like is the truth. Like I'm the friggin' Pito Hunter. Like watching Max say things like this would lead anyone to the conclusion that Hedloss's grip on reality and assumed his status as quote, gave him the power to cancel other creators, something that would only become more apparent. Around the time the leak from Slug went live, news broke that an anonymous discord user had infiltrated Max's private investigation server, leaking all the evidence he was saving for the legal case. Apparently, they were able to enter the server by pretending to be a survivor, and were given full access after signing an NDA. I know you're dealing with a lot of harassment and going through a lot of stuff. Is it possible you can invite me to the Discord server where the other victims are? I want to share my story in a place where I can feel safe and not be docks to harassed.

29:59Yes, we can invite you. Thank you. Again, we have done so much for the victims. I bless you. I met you and I hope Canada can find the face justice. For the safety of the server, may I please ask for your full name? My name is Max Striker. It's a pleasure to meet you. They say they give a voice message and then say Jamie Fields, which is a fake name. But that's the only verification that Max has done to allow some random shittoo. There was some random shitter in his Discord server to see all of the evidence. All you have to do is just play the part decently well, say that you were fucking abused and diddled by Camden, give a fake full name, and boom, you see all the fucking evidence that he's protecting for the legal case and then spreads it out to the internet to see. As you'd expect, Max is flagging videos that mention the link to cover up this blunder. Mama Max in his evidence like Discord server is now like flagging and telling his whole like server, which granted his server is probably like only like

31:0020 people, 30 people max. But he's now enforcing his whole server to go report and flag. My it seems like my Vod. It's it seems like Mr. Sensvod. Anyone who's talking about the leaks, he's now reporting or flagging and like outright calling for that. Seems like this guy spends more time can do in this shit than actually trying to catch Camden on his case. There was no way Max could feasibly hide this fiasco. As more and more of his secrets were going public with each passing day. On the 3rd of February 2024, Nicholas returned to cover the Mama Max situation through the upload titled, This video will make you hate Mama Max, which brought forward an obscene amount of damning information from Max's past. Alongside his coverage of Max's blunders from the previous weeks, Nicholas detailed how Max maliciously destroyed the career of a former friend and supporter. Night Dock. Night Dock's or Jim was a proud Mama Max supporter during the pick-as-side YouTube campaign. So much that he called in to actually debate me two years ago and defend Max's character from scrutiny. Like Max and many of

32:03their mutuals, Jim is a video essayist who makes long form content. He was also firmly in the friend group of Max, Nextpo, Moodahar and others just a few short years ago. Now I'm sure you're wondering, Nick, what happened to this up-and-coming YouTuber with all of these widely successful friends and connections? The reality was, Night Dock's was cast out of his social circle because Max spread rumors that he was a bad father, a creep to women, and worst of all, a p**k file. It seems Max didn't limit the purd of accusations to just his enemies, but also his friends. You might be wondering why Max never made these accusations public given his previous job title. Well, it was because he didn't have any evidence to back it up besides his testimony. So regarding Jim, there were two specific stories that Max fully harped on when it came to Night Docks. At least whenever we had our little, I guess, falling out. So Max was convinced then, Jim was this p**k file creep. And he backed up this claim with firstly a story about an inappropriate conversation that he claimed Jim had

33:06with a minor. As it turned out, this person was not a minor at all. They told Jim their age at one point, which I believe was like 25 or so. I'm not entirely sure, but that's that whole story that Max always preferred to back whenever he would call Jim a predator. There was another story that led to more of Max believing Jim to be, I guess, a creep. And it involved one trip to a restaurant that he and Jim had. Way back when Max was living with Jim, apparently Jim was, you know, making moves on the waitress and, you know, could continuously hitting on her and he just wouldn't stop. And it made this, I guess, situation or this dinner that they were at. Very tense and awkward. Basically, every single time that I was with Max during the time when we had our, I guess, falling out, I guess you could call it, Max would perpetuate this narrative that Jim was this pet-hell creep. And he would always refer back to these two stories. And I guess I just never really vetted them. Regarding to Jim or Night Docks, there were two allegations. One of

34:08them, which had come from Max allegedly in amongst a friend group about him not being necessarily the best dad. There were two key things. One of them was him being asleep most days. And then the other was that Max would have to step in and feed his children cereal or whatever else was in the house. This is something that I heard again, not from Max, but through our internal friend group. And while this one definitely raised some questions about, okay, you know, gotta be attentive if you're the dad. It wasn't necessarily the most serious thing. However, what was more serious was the allegation where he had allegedly started unzipping himself in front of a minor exposing himself over a discord video call. Now, I actually confronted Jim about this one specifically because I wasn't exactly, I need to know the bottom of this truth or I need to understand or at least get his side because obviously I met the person in reality. Me and my wife confronted him. And in this situation, Jim obviously categorically denied that he had done anything, but I didn't have any evidence for or against Jim. And you know, in spite of all that, I've still

35:09decided to, you know, hold back my connection, not talk as much anymore. We weren't necessarily the most talkative people anyways, but this absolutely sealed the deal. Max was not just making Basel's accusations, but he was making them on a friend that defended House and fed him for months. Accusations that separated him from his friend group and to almost push him over the edge. When I lost all my friends, I just went away from YouTube and all that. Like I just lost all of myself a steam. I just felt like I was like, irredeemable. There was something wrong with me that I just, nobody would ever want to be around me. And I had no idea what it was that I did, but I was like, I'm obviously just a piece of shit. So you'd say this impacted your career, I guess. Absolutely. It impacted my career. I completely fell off. I ended up hospitalized. Like I genuinely ended up hospitalized. I was in a, I came within hours of doing something very permanent and very stupid. It was the last straw to add a cherry on top. Nicholas included the full discord

36:15cool he and Moodah had with Max, which really allows you to see how deviously Max used his pass credibility and platform to justify his unethical behavior. The cool started normally, with Moodah and Nicholas trying to get to the bottom of the candy case. However, once they inquired on why evidence hadn't been shared with other creators, Max said, yes, so I would like to explain my position on this charm. So the purpose of the NDA is to protect the survivors. Like, that is why the NDA protects their anonymity and for them to be able to give the approval of what they want to share. But we do want to let people in and see what is occurring here. It's just we, my priority has been to protect the survivors. Okay, but they do understand, say Charlie looks at everything, hypothetical, right? Charlie can't then go, guys, there's a predator on the loose. I saw it on discord. That wouldn't be sufficient for his audience. Max then goes on to affirm that witness testimony is more than enough for backing series allegations. I am just trying to

37:20get the word out that this is Camdengerard Davis. This is what the accusations against him are. And it's also, you can also like, we are fine saying this is all alleged. Like, we are fine if... Oh, you can't just say it's alleged now. No, because yeah, 100%. That's not. I'm fine doing it because I trust them. But all I wanted to do is say you didn't review most of the evidence besides Spencer though. I reviewed the evidence. I just haven't had the context as to what it is pertaining to. Even claiming that other crays have made similar allegations with less evidence. I hope it's clear why I'm so willing to just call him a cold leader predator. I feel there's enough here. People have gone by with a lot less. Even Charlie has called people without any hard evidence. Who specifically? Who was it? Was it Sneeko? I mean, Sneeko was literally defending the shit out of cuties. Let's not pretend. Come on.

38:23All right. Well, that's my argument. You know how many clips of him on kick would mean that's the same thing. Miders are come on. That's, I mean, it's comparable to Anthony Field with a testimony, multiple testimonies against him. It's comparable. Bashing such a serious case on accusations alone, what's a recipe for disaster? And Max was true-planted by glory and money to see it. Now, he's lost both things he valued the most. Max's entire career was based on the fact that he was going off the most viral predators on the internet. It was the reason the YouTube community overlooked his power and desperate attempts to signal boost his channel by threatening larger creators. Or while giving thousands of dollars each month to fund his supposed one-man assault on predators. Unfortunately, once Max lost that air of authority, people became less willing to give him a pass for doxing people and relying on testimony as his sole piece of evidence. Ironically, Max got the response from Charlie, but it would cost him his reputation, credibility, and over 50,000 subscribers. Considering the fact that each

39:25day brings more and more revelations about who Max truly is, it's safe to say he's had a dramatic fall from grace, but is nowhere near the bottom. But Max isn't the only one faking his content. On a less serious note, Eric was found faking his videos. Click on screen to find out how.