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about something he means it's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott how do you

think your congressman or congresswoman is doing in the house of representatives if I

asked most people they would say well I think my guy's pretty good or my girl is pretty

good in reality the American people are frustrated with the house of representatives they don't

get good grades whether the republican or democrat people are frustrated with the house

in general but it's funny to me that when you bring it down to their districts most of

them are still popular within their districts and that's why you see so many of them continue

to get reelected year after year and it doesn't seem like we ever give much change I'm

Booker Scott and this is the truth be told on America out loud talk radio there is one

way that there are grades given to those members in the house of representatives it comes

out once a year every year from the republican liberty caucus and last year at the same

time we had the national chair for the republican liberty caucus John Dennis on with us and he

has come back again tonight to go over the brand new scores that were just released for the

house of representatives the senate will be coming later and I'm sure we can get him to come

back then the john welcome back to the program okay it's always a pleasure thanks for having me

and I said when we were talking earlier that we should not have waited a whole year we really

shouldn't have I enjoy having a conversation with you and let's get into it let's start things off

with explaining how you guys grade I think it's important to understand that that you know you

could have a caucus on the left the grades completely different than you and in some ways you're

grading not necessarily on left or right but on the constitution explain how you guys do this

well sure I think the the philosophy of the republican liberty caucus lies in our name and we

you know our our statement of principles reflect what we think the founders of the country we're

trying to achieve which is a government that that that simply protects your rights protects you

and protects your rights and you know it's rooted in the the ideas of the enlightenment from

lock Montesquieu and it's it was a new form of government people weren't subjects they were

sovereign citizens and were the government was there to serve them so if you if you read the

constitution those are the ideas that you know they're you know influenced it and it runs all

through the the the constitution and you know we're we're perfectly content with having a government

that that that that protects those rights in those ways so so that's what we're looking at we'll

again at a very you know constitutional founding principles approach to government and what we do

is we take a cross section of bills in this index for the house and then as you mentioned we also do

it for the for the bills in the in the senate we take that cross section of of bills and say

okay how would we have voted on it as the republican liberty caucus and and then take a look at

the and then take a look at how the the each congressman or woman voted and given them a great

you mentioned john lock there you actually mentioned lock and I throw the first name in there so

listeners understand who we're talking about I talked about him not too long ago and how you can

really see in the declaration of independence and then the constitution john locks philosophy and

I don't know that a lot of people even understand that but that's really what you guys are getting

back to where we have the pursuit of life liberty and happiness and that is a philosophy of john lock

who actually lived 16 30ish 16 32 to about 1704 so he was dead 70 years before the constitution

or the declaration of independence was even written and I really enjoy reading and learning about

john locks on glad you brought him up let's get into specifically the bills that you guys kind of

graded on can you give us a cross section of that where I think last years I remember there were

about 20 bills that you guys graded on am I remembering that right is that what you did again

this year yes we which we try to keep the math simple and it's difficult to to to review every

bill that's out there so what we try and do is break down the bills that cover specific areas

that are representative of what the house voted on in the in the you know previous year

so we'll you know it won't be too weighted on foreign policy and it won't be too weighted on

a specific domestic policy and we you know we take that cross section the maximum score you can get

as a hundred so we divide that that 100 by the 20 bills we've looked at and assign five points each

so for every every both that you make that agrees with us you get five points and and if you don't

vote with us you get no points and we do have over the last couple of years we've done a sort of

an extra credit vote or a special bonus point vote on sometimes it has to do with you know

intra house votes on you know bringing something to the floor sometimes it's it's not something

that's particularly important to us and and so over the last few years we've been awarding

a couple of bonus points so people can get above a hundred I know the last year that Thomas

Massey led the way but I think there were a couple over a hundred last year this year there's only one

and it is Thomas Massey he came in at 101 last year I think he was like 107 I could be wrong I'm

just doing this for memory but he is over 100 he is the only member in the House of Representatives and

by the way he is the he's in first place by really a mile he's the only one that would have an A

in the House of Representatives for the Republican side when they're using this grading system here

that the Republican Liberty caucus is using second place would be Marjorie Taylor Greene no longer

there but she graded out an 85 what do you make of her leaving the House of Representatives and what

does it do for Liberty and Freedom in America? Well Marjorie's departure was a big loss for Liberty

and she you know I don't know that she was you know really well well read on the

concept folks who were referencing earlier a lock in Montesquieu the ideas of the enlightenment

or the the evolution of of the role of government coming from Western Western thought but she's

sure voted as if she understood it you know innately and so she was really good on a lot of issues

and one of the reasons why she I think she really liked Donald Trump as much as she did was because

because she liked you know that that Trump was in sync with her and I think that's what

calls the friction between the two and the truth is that you know she showed more fidelity to the

to the Trump agenda than Trump did and and that created some conflict specifically in

particularly over foreign policy and and then of course the Epstein business yeah um so she was

a loss yeah that there's no doubt about it do you think she was right in doing that John I mean

because I you said that the government really has two roles I agree with that they should protect

us and protecting us has a lot to do with national security and I think maybe some of her rub with

Donald Trump had to do with that and not looking inward in trying to get things going in the right

direction and as you mentioned the Epstein list which I have never been an Epstein list person I

could care less I don't think it does anything it's not going to accomplish anything and you're

going to end up with people on the left and people on the right that aren't going to be satisfied

and nothing is going to change as a result of it what do you think about that in Marjorie Taylor

do you think she was unfair in the way she went after Donald Trump and and has continued really

well um they're actually so I want to address the the domestic and the foreign policy

issues with her um and and then another matter um the way she went after Trump well um thinking

of another another woman who went after Trump and also got uh well Nancy Mace has Nancy Mace has

been a little bit wordy lately also yeah but Nancy Mace um you know has some really bad votes

she was good on the uh and if you if you want that the Epstein files released uh I did and so I

thought she was good on that but her um her voting record is a is a mixed bag whereas Marjorie

seemed to you know and lately understand what the role of government was I I think I think um you

know she she uh was really disappointed sort of like Ann Coulter was you know Ann Coulter was a big

Trump proponent a long time ago sure yeah she she she got uh disenchanted uh when the wall wasn't

going up it wasn't doing more unimmigration she was you know she was vocal about her disappointment

there and that that caused a fracture and I think the the the the telegreen thing is analogous

and she but except that Marjorie is in the house so you know the question is should she have resigned

should she have at least filled out you know fulfilled her term um I would have on the one hand on

the other hand you know it's it's uh you know it's a tough business you know when when you know

the president is so powerful in the party and she uh I think she was sort of heartbroken over

because she put her heart into supporting Trump and the fact that he was saying these uh you know

these um kind things uh you know bothered her and she just didn't feel like she wanted to be around

I can understand that as well uh I would have counseled her to to just stay on this is an important

year and um uh she was you know always had the right boat so I think she should have stayed now in

terms of the you know the in terms of the foreign policy I mean I think you know she she uh you know

was a republican liberty caucus person in the written in that regard that we do not want to do

this sort of uh you know this foreign foreign adventurism uh you know we're the we're the non-interventionist

crowd uh we don't want to get involved in um you know um more uh you know business overseas uh foreign

military business overseas it's incredibly costly it I think weakens the country um and uh and so

I agree with her and that was that I think that's Donald Trump's um instinct as well as to stay

out of it having said that yeah I agree he's also a skilled you know skilled negotiator and a

skilled business person and understands leverage and so you know his if I can be a little you know

be fair to him um you know his his um uh he hasn't started a full-scale wars we disagree with him

on the around strength but he was restrained he just made though made the one strike and and didn't

go uh for full-scale invasion he and in an oblique way he um uh paid deference to the Constitution

by just swooping in and grabbing Maduro and that and in that action he sort of indicated that he

knows that he has to go to congress for you know for uh to go to war so so he's a little more adventurous

than I would care for him to be but I understand her position there and then on the Epstein thing

we'll look I mean um I think there there are a couple things there one the the the the victims

of the survivors they need justice you can't have guys running around uh you know you know a

trafficking uh young girls underage girls or even you know any women for that matter uh and get

away with it a and b there is the the subtext of the whole thing is um is our government run

by uh a blackmail operation and I think in that regard it was really critical to get the Epstein

files released and and now that's sort of happening we've got we got it dumped yesterday lots of

interesting things coming out of it and uh we'll see we'll see how that falls there are a lot of

big names that have been coming out of it for sure I just don't know how it necessarily changes

when it comes to Iran you know I predicted on the show that what would happen would happen

it happened exactly the way I said that there was not going to not going to be a regional war there

was not going to be an escalation of it because all you had to do was look around John for the last

couple of years and watch all those countries watch Israel go after Hezbollah in Lebanon Hamas and Gaza

America and Donald Trump and the getting the Houthis in Yemen and all they were doing was sitting

back and watching because it benefited them to get rid of the regime in Iran and when it comes to

Venezuela again I see these congressmen and Senator Rand Paul saying the same thing about the

War Powers Act and I think that what Donald Trump and his administration has done with the Monroe

doctrine is very important to for dominance here in the western hemisphere and it really appears

to me that that's what he is concentrating on and by doing that that is sticking a wedge in

everything that China wants to do you know it's a big world out here and you have to think I believe

sometimes more strategically than just you know building a wall around our nation and hoping for

the best I don't know what your thoughts are there uh yeah I understand the understand the position

and and I understand that we you know there there are interests that need to be protected and so

there are two ways to look at the the Venezuelan thing the the Monroe doctrine says that colonial

colonialism is over in the western hemisphere and and no more European powers should seek to

you know to to to colonize in addition to what's already been done yeah it doesn't say about

you know going into into anything back on into foreign countries in the hemisphere and you know

sweeping up and and picking up their their leaders now again I think the fact that they

they characterized it as a law enforcement operation carefully yes I think it was an

interesting gray area and in it and by describing it that way actually pays you know deference to

the constitution you know he understood that he what is the the president is showing that he

understands what his what his limits are um so you know having trying to go and into a business

we you know yeah that's is that colonization I don't think so I mean again going if trying to

come in and declare a kid this is our territory that's one thing but going into doing business deals

is is another so um but you know again it um it it it catches the attention of folks around the

world and they and they know you know not to not to play games with us and and I suppose that

that's a good thing yeah it's not a problem Iran Iran Iran is a trickier business now because

you know we've we've we've moved some carriers in now some battleships into into the Gulf

this is escalating and and that was our main concern they're one that again there was no

imminent threat from Iran and the the president doesn't really have the authority to

go go striking people without you know without getting congressional permission um if they again

if there's a if there's an action being taken against the United States with the war powers

resolution the president can begin and then inform Congress with them I think it's 30 or 45 days

but that's not what this was this was this was a direct intervention uh you know by the president

in a situation where there was no women in threat and presumably doing it at the behest of

of you know of a foreign interest and the whole thing deceived uh seemed um you know inappropriate

and that's why we we push back against it having said that I mean I think I I Donald Trump

you know understands the levers of the powers of the presidency like no president since I think

uh Richard Nixon I think he's you know superior to Reagan in that regard and so you know

personally I'm willing you know willing to you know give him a bit of latitude but I'm really concerned

about this Iran business now and uh hope that it doesn't lead to a you know to a full-scale war

yeah I don't see Iran doing that I think these people are having a revolt they are trying to get

this regime that has been terribly oppressed of pressing these people for 50 years now you know

since 1979 this has been going on and you know I think maybe Trump probably got out over his

skis when he you know we probably shouldn't have said you know I've got your back that was maybe not

the best thing to say because it's sort of put him in the position as you mentioned we now have a

carrier group there or on the way there and that kind of puts us in a spot where we may not have

a choice but to do what he said that they were going to do unless the Iranian regime change just

leaves if they just yeah get out of there but I don't see that happening either I don't know who the

replacement is I don't think that the Shah in waiting the son of the Shah that would left in 1979

I don't think that he's the answer he has become a spokesperson for those that are revolting in Iran

but I don't I don't think those people necessarily want him let's look at a bad score here before we

get to the break we're up against one one that sticks out to me is Elise Stefanik she's another one

that's leaving that she's retiring not running again not going to run for governor I'm surprised

that her score is down there in the 20s talk about that I'm not no I mean I mean you know at least

Stefanik is you know she's she's got her skill set and she was a pit bull for for for McCarthy

and Kevin McCarthy here in California she did a lot of a lot of the heavy lifting in sort of

the the dirty work for him a little rumor that I heard at one point that one of Thomas

massie's primary opponents was directly recruited by Elise Stefanik and not this current one but

in the in in in a past year so in a past election so she's you know she's willing to get rough and

tumble and but she's just a creature of the swamp and power and so one of the things that we're

we try and expose and add some light to is you know is how how these these folks vote and what

are they after if you look at the the Democrats they're pretty direct people say what are the

we know what the Republicans stand for but what are the Democrats stand for and you can't really

come up with an answer except that they stand for power yeah me either that's it they stand for power

yeah and I got to say she's Elise Stefanik as we know but in my calling her a Democrat but she

she definitely you know it has the same mindset she she's you know about the power interesting

we're having a conversation with John Dennis he is the national chair of the Republican Liberty

Caucus the Liberty scores just came out we're going through some of these we're going to continue

with the conversation and we'll have a conversation about Thomas massie it's coming up

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and fiftyth celebration of this great country that we call america and we're having a conversation

with john dentists about this very country and about our representatives in the house of representatives

that overall when you talk about polls they are not very popular but like i said at the top of the

hour most of us like our congressman that we have it's funny how that works isn't a john it is

and you know that's largely because people are not like you and i booker they are you know

they don't pay attention to what's happening just go by impressions and they're not they're part

of what i think the crowd while we're part of like the folks actually pay attention to you know

to what's happening indian of these guys are charming there's these women are charming there's a

reason why they get elected and uh if they're also seen as bringing home bacon that makes them

popular too yeah yeah they get things done and because they get things done for building a library

or whatever it is in your community then that's a win for your community and that's what they do

in washington dc when you see these bills going through the appropriations there's something tucked

in there for you because of that representative and because of that that's why we like the people

that we put there and sometimes it gets very frustrating i know a lot of us we want people to do

things just the way we want them but that is not democracy that's not how it works let's go through

some more names here a guy that i like timber chat from the state of tenisee scored a 79 he seems

to be very popular right now among magga and he seems to be popular in your scoring well i think

one of Tim's you know big assets he really understands the the financial predicament that

washington is putting the country in and i want to make a distinction here uh you know sometimes

he'll say oh you know we sort of conflate the washington with the country and it is not

we are the country yeah the washington is washington the federal government is their whole thing

the federal government has put the country in in jeopardy by running up over 38 trillion dollars

in in in debt it's amazing it's uh not you know talking about not sustainable now you know people

don't realize a couple things i mean paying interest on the debt the debt service is the third

biggest budget item right now we spend more on that than defense at this point spend more on

that than defense under the sort of the nominal defense budget defense budget is actually a

bit larger than what they what they they claim but all we can we're up to about a trillion dollars

in interest now isn't that correct yeah well you know years ago the great writer robber pigs did a

did a calculation there you know a lot of things aren't included in that like for example the

coast guard that we used to not be included i think maybe at the homeland security is not included

the the the nuclear silos are not including is so actually when you add up the entire defense

budget department of war and then the other items it's actually close to double with the

they say but having said that the it's you know the debt service is a master problem and more

importantly it's growing about a trillion dollars every hundred days yeah and it's it's out of

control and and this is i think one of the areas where you know we'd like to see the you know

this is one of the areas where you know where we have some concerns with the president i think the

president thinks that he's going to be able to grow his way out of this i agree out of this

deficit but i i i don't think he understands more over you know it's becoming evident that there's

so much fraud in the federal government and that federal that that fraud tends to benefit the

democrats so in a sense you know he's funding the people for with our tax dollars the people who

who are going to impeach and harass him for the rest of his life that's great i think you

would have an incentive to cut that spending he doesn't but the timbridge that does understand

that he's been a real great addition to the house we're very very pleased with some a couple of

things that i think about a lot of times is the fact that our budget was 4.6 4.7 trillion before

covid back in 2019 since then since covid we've been 6.5 trillion 6.2 trillion and we're at 7 trillion

right now to your point with Donald Trump as president 7 trillion where did all of that money go

and we're finding out through doge and other ways now through its fraud we know that there was 500

billion to a trillion dollars in fraud and money stolen from the american people through covid

relief and we're starting to see where that is now in places like Minneapolis but i think that

that's just the tip of the iceberg i think it's much worse in other places and i agree with you

that we have got to cut we need to cut why can't we cut and also grow i think Donald Trump

is is right in thinking that if he grows and the the GDP is higher the taxes are greater than and

tariffs and things like that if he grows the revenue that's one side of it and that's great

but i think we also need to cut and i don't see enough cuts in like the big beautiful bill that they

passed last year and these 12 appropriations that are now going to be passed for the 26 fiscal year

there's no difference same level well growing the revenue just means that they're taking more money out

of the pockets of the american people um so you know because you know it's just a matter of fact

that even though the that the tariffs may help with manufacturing the fact is american people pay

for those those tariffs that's right that's number one number two um you know we're right now

the these continuing resolutions they are continuing to fund all of this fraud all this Biden

fraud all this Obama you were fraud they with that by not coming to a you know to decision to make cuts

that's all they're doing i mean all the crazy stuff that Elon Musk exposed with doge is still

getting funded think about how outraged people were when they found out that there were a million

plus people who had social security numbers from somewhere the people who hadn't been born yet

or people who were 150 years old yeah and um those same people vote by the way

well that's the same people are voting they're 150 years old too there's that business but then

there's also in and they're not collecting social security but they're using those social security

numbers to to collect hundreds of billions of dollars in in additional benefits so another

all the other benefits that come with having a social security number so i mean these are sort of

the things that could be cleaned up and i don't understand uh why it isn't being addressed and i

my speculation about it is that uh Donald Trump has been influenced by Keynesian economists including

the supply sideers like Larry Cudlow reserved in the last administration and um you know supply

side uh theory is a Keynesian offshoot and it's generally true except i think that the

the president may be concerned that if you take that that government spending component

out of the of the Keynesian equation then you're going to see a you know see a you know a drop in

an overall GDP but if if if Havian Malay has shown us anything in Argentina is when you cut that

federal spending the economy actually grows because the money ends up in the productive economy

not in the in the dead weight dead weight make work on me of of government so i think there is

i think there is a balancing there john's opportunity you know yeah i think there is a real balancing

act there in cutting too much too quickly to uh it caused job loss and and things like that but

i also uh agree with you completely that if you put the money back into american people's hands

they are going to spend it and that also will create jobs and it also grows the economy

at the same way and so i would rather have it in people's hands than in the government's hands

because we can clearly see that the government should not have access to money because they do a

terrible job they're inefficient at it so Thomas Massey is number one at one hundred one points

he got a bonus point uh marjorie Taylor Green was second at eighty five timbridge at third

i want to hit these top ones here before we get done Greg Stuby from florida i know him i i like

him a lot uh josh britian um i don't know him where is he from tell us about him a little bit

actually i don't know a ton about him either the other than he's from uh from oklahoma and uh

and he's in he's a nice counterbalance because uh no oklahoma has two republican senators

yeah who have invariably come in a some of our lowest performers they've lengthened uh the

mark we know and you know and they're both they sometimes they sing the they they sing the right

words but man they don't even they don't know the tune yeah james lengther doesn't even sing

the right song anymore mark way mullen does you see him singing all the time erick burlison with

seventy four Eli crane a guy that i like he's from arizona seventy four chip roe texas he also had

a seventy four paul goes are in andy biggs both of them right around seventy they're at seventy

one and seventy two as i remember last year both of them were higher than that i think one of them

actually was over one hundred with tomas masi yeah it was andy biggs i mean andy's grow it was great

well here's what happens in fact we had a we did next base the other day with tomas and a couple

of things that we have learned from him over the years um uh one when uh your party takes power

the white house yeah your your in power and the and the house your the scores go down because you

you you you try and be a team player that's right um so that happens um what's interesting is

that actually our average score which is uh which is a pathetic forty seven is actually up a point

this year because the because they voted more like a herd um and so we don't have that many

outliers but the sort of the we also are not seeing some really low scores like i think last year

we saw some people who scored a five out of a hundred yeah i remember that we're not seeing that

but um but we are you know we some of the the the better guys have you know have

have lost some points because they want to stay in line with the president's objectives

and um yeah so that's that but i i like all those guys and they were losing chip Roy out of the

house and we're losing andy biggs um but hopefully we'll get you know get some um some good folks

in there i will say that the Arizona delegation it has again you know coming as the strongest you

know you got great scores from um Eli and Eli Crane and uh Paul Gosar um and uh you know they've

got uh they've got a they've got a really good delegation and that the the republican politics

in that state the politics in general in Arizona is sort of like really fascinating uh it's a really

yeah i confuse it it is you have Katie Hobbs as a governor and uh then you have representatives

like Eli Crane and Paul Gosar it really doesn't make any sense you have more republicans registered

in in uh Arizona than democrats they think it's one point four million but you have that same

number of independence one point four million and i think there's one point two million democrats

it is a different state similar to Maine in some ways in that it's kind of quirky as well where

Susan Collins is a couple of names here that before we get finished that i really want to point out

that are on the low side and they're brand new one of them sort of surprises me the other one

doesn't they're both from florida you have randy fine who replaced mike waltz who's now the ambassador

at the united nations and you have jimmy patronis who was the financial guy for uh ronda santa's

in florida ronda santa's replaced mat gates and it seems to me like you guys lost some points there

in that exchange that one does not surprise me i saw that coming before jimmy patronis ever said

that he was going to run if he was the guy that was going to replace patron uh mat gates then we

were going to lose lose some liberty there in that seat yeah and again i don't i mean i know a

little bit about those guys i know a little bit about florida paul of republican politics because

the largest uh state uh chapter of the rlc is in florida and i get down there a little bit um

yeah i mean this is the reason why i mean i i want to live in liberatopia but i find that

but when i find that uh one party or in the other gets uh gets you know strong control uh they tend

to you know compromise their their principles will go off the rails the democrats tend to go

off the rails and the republicans tend to compromise their their their their the principles uh and

there's some uh disaffection with the republican party of uh of florida and also with um

the way the uh the the republicans vote in the house there so you have some some interesting

characters and i think you know i think the president gets influenced by his uh his local folks there

and um you just takes them at their word and then moves on and i think it's a dental effect i

know this firsthand that some of the initial friction that came up between uh senator paul

and uh uh president trump was over candidates who were in winnable seats and um the president

choosing the let's just say the non liberty candidate happened in governors races it happened

in congressional races it happened in senate uh senate races and um and and that's that's

where some of the friction is so the so like a lot of things about Donald trump he has uh mixed bag

and a mixed record of uh choosing people um in uh you know endorse endorsing people for the house

in the senate do you have any feeling on this midterm coming up in november it is very important you

mentioned impeachment that's what's coming for us we're going to see two years of impeachments

unless something changes between now and november history would say that it's not on donald trump

side here in this midterm well the the um there are some interesting things happening there as

right as you say the history isn't on the side of donald trump on the one hand on the other hand

i think the economy is going to be pretty good to share i mean there's some interesting you know

harada clouds on the horizon are we gonna have a dollar meltdown uh what you know like i have a sense

that we might make it through that um yeah the other thing that has to be you know calculated in is

the impact of um uh you know the crackdown on the voter rolls and some of these practices going on

in in blue states even some red states um and you know how is that going to go and impact um

the the midterm elections so i don't think it's i don't think it's a fatal complete that the

democrats get the house back i think i think we need to sort of start making uh you know guesses

about that as we get into the summer but i think it's a little too early too early to say

and if you know the if president trump has shown nothing else uh he has shown that um that he

can buck historical trends so yeah i think between now and then the messaging has to get a lot

better and i think as supporters of donald trump our messaging has to get a lot better i see

circular firing squads on the conservative side whether you're a liberty caucus person or not

and that's got to stop we really have to come together accentuate the positive of what has been

done to make people realize that when the economy starts really showing what donald trump has done

that uh you know that people will go out and vote to protect that so that they can continue the

work that donald trump has started here in his first year of the second term well and you know

it's it's easier to do that when you have uh candidates um who uh who inspire people based on

their their voter record and and and and you know not really going to get it done we get the

trimming patronis is um he he inspires you know nobody you know he's you know those kind i'm

not picking on him in in particular but uh but those kinds of candidates just make it uh you know

you make it about us versus them as opposed to what's right and what's wrong and incidentally

thinking with Thomas mass he i think and you know just so you know we don't give we don't

lobby people on how they should vote we don't tell people how what we think about it before

about the the individual bills before we vote we just do a review at the end of the year so

this is not some sort of thing where it's like coordinated with mass he we're just in sync with him

and his name is philosophy and i think ultimately that's the you know donald trump my suspicion is

if polymarketing cashler any indication you know tombs is going to pull that out

oh yeah yeah of course he is yeah i think you will too yeah well i mean it's i think if the president

you know the president's interesting i noticed this with prop 50 out here in california

he didn't get behind it because he knew it was a tough tough slog and it doesn't like

to be associated with losses yeah correct um i think if the president starts campaigning for

for for uh this thomas's opponent um you know does rallies and that sort of thing that will be um

uh that that will make it more difficult for thomas i still think he'll prevail but if you notice

that the president isn't going into the district um then thomas is going to it was going to stay

in office yeah good point we'll watch for that and see if he goes to kentucky see if donald trump

goes to kentucky to campaign i don't think we will i think thomas massie is safe there in that seat

we had a conversation last year because thomas massie and donald trump were sort of going at each other

at that time i asked you is this going to get better i think your response was you think that it will

and i i didn't know and i it didn't get better we could both say that well look yeah let

let i know we're wanting to down but i mean one one thing i do want to say i suppose i actually

thomas and i were on the phone um and he had to hang up with me to go vote against the one big

beautiful bill and at that point he and the president were uh you know called the day tom they were

going to let it go but it was the Epstein thing that really enraged the president and that's uh

and so they they were moving in a in a positive direction i think the president was on the verge

was actually saying something nice about thomas and i think he likes thomas um but um but the Epstein

thing was you know was a bridge too far for him so sometimes on social media i have been

publicly not a big thomas massie fan but i have a lot of respect for him because i believe in

the things that he's saying and what he does i just believe that he should be more statesman

when we have control and power because a lot of times right now i see him as an an obstructionist

and he's trying to eat an elephant at one big bite almost on every vote and i think you have to

take little bites of that elephant to uh get us back to liberty i don't think you can just

win by being out there all by yourself and i and that's way i look at it but i think

he says the things that i agree with and i just know that the things that he wants are not going to

pass anywhere and unfortunately i would say for freedom and liberty i would put it that way is that

there yeah i mean again if thomas has been pointing out lately that he votes with the party you know

91% of the time but he doesn't vote for um you know for for um you know extending you know

bankrupting us yeah for you know letting and letting you know guys get away with unsafe

things with uh trafficked women i mean so that's where he's where his 9% is but you know the president

and his loyalists are good at painting a different picture um but um you know i think if you go

through the folks who are listening to this you take the time and go through the um uh the cross

section of votes that we we did it's not hard to read that's not long to read and then decide for

themselves would they have agreed with our position with thomas' position i'd say the vast majority

of them but probably 90% would agree yeah i do what arctic was on that bill yeah and so a lot of this

is is is is marketing and the truth is is that if thomas if the president you know brought thomas in

more frequently maybe put them involved in this inner circle i think it actually be a really powerful

thing for the american people yeah that would be interesting to see i don't know that we will

when did the senate scores come out because i want to have you back then when are they do out next

month uh a couple of weeks we'll have them covered uh i'll i'll i'll paint you probably next two weeks or

so okay awesome his name is john denna c is the national chair of the republican liberty caucus

john thank you so much for coming back on the program i really do appreciate it the pleasure

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you remember the name jack smith he was a special counsel special prosecutor in charge of

going after Donald Trump the guy is a hack when it comes down to it is cases in the past against

in run they were thrown out at the Supreme Court and it wasn't even close it was a nine to nothing

decision he is the left's hatchet man is what he's used for he was used against Donald Trump

Trump says it was a witch hunt it was weaponization of government I agree with Donald Trump jack smith

responsible for the case down in south florida that judge i lean can and eventually through out

and the reason why she threw it out is she said that a special counsel has to be confirmed

by the senate he was never confirmed by the senate he also was handling the case in Washington

DC against Donald Trump and it comes out on monday october 6th that he's in a mess of trouble probably

and in fact the bbc confirmed in august of two thousand twenty five that jack smith is being

investigated for the things that he did but now we have arctic frost something else jack smith

is involved with and the senators in congress they are not happy and neither are a lot of people on

the magas side as influencers they're upset at what jack smith and our federal government did

despise on senators and i don't believe this is going to go away anytime soon now the senate

judiciary committee they published an fby document which they say show to the agency obtained

phone data regarding the activities of ten republican senators between

january fourth and january seventh of two thousand twenty one and that was the period that covered

january six storming the congress now according to the document fby agents working on

its arctic frost investigation received data showing when and to whom the ten republican senators

made calls to during that time period right there around january six also they had a call length

and their location when it took place so they were spying on us senators that's what they were

doing just just break that down simple for you the arctic frost investigation formed the basis

of special councils jack smith's own inquiry into the twenty twenty election interference which

led to a federal indictment of trump in august of two thousand twenty three though charges were

eventually dropped as i mentioned because he won the election the ten republican senators reportedly

targeted were lindsey gram bill haggardy of tenisee josh holly of mazuri dan solivan

tomie tuberville who is now running for governor in the state of alabama senator ron johnson of

was constant sentia lumus marcha blackburn again of tenisee and mike kelly who is actually a

representative in response a number of prominent magga accounts on social media have called for

smith to be arrested again and of course everybody wants jack smith arrested he is being

investigated the senate majority leader john thune said in a post on x i have grave concerns about

a new report showing that the biden era fbi spied on republican senators and i fully support

senate committees getting to the bottom of this outrageous abuse of power and weaponization of

government that is john thune the senate majority leader who said that republican senator chuck

grassley wrote on x this document shows the biden fbi spied on eight of my republican senate

colleagues during its arctic frost investigation into election conspiracy arctic frost later became

jack smith's electric case against trump biden fbi weaponization worse than watergate that senator

chuck grassley speaking on cnn if you care is former federal prosecutor jeffrey tuban he said it's

not even news jack smith cites these conversations in his report so this is not like he was trying to

keep the secret and remember what smith was investigating he was investigating donald trump's

attempts to overturn the election through the use of fake electors in congress so does it matter

absolutely it matters we have a special council who had never been confirmed by the senate who has

a history of weaponizing his position to go after people through law fair and has been successful

in doing it but then it has been overturned at the supreme court level he's not confirmed by the

senate yet he is now investigating senators he's wiretapping them he's following them that's what jack

smith did and again the bbc confirmed in august of 2025 that jack smith is under investigation

let's go to the government shut down we're into a week now a full week has been completed since

the government shut down and let's get to the bottom of this we keep hearing about this health

care that is what this is about is it really about the health care or is it about the big beautiful

bill and something that was taken out a clean CR is in the senate it has been voted on five times it

doesn't raise it doesn't lower spending it just continues the current level of spending into the

2026 fiscal year which we are now in and the government is not funded the democrats are saying

it's about health the republicans are saying they want to pay for illegal immigrants what does

this really come down to i think i have it for you first let's go to senator chuck shumer and some

of his comments last night on monday night here he is

all right there later as i understand it's not just

couple of things there and i know the audio quality is bad it was real bad he's outside on the steps

and there's a lot of traffic and it just doesn't sound real good he was asked about

Donald Trump speaking to the democrats it's going to take about five more democrats to vote for

the clean CR to get the government open again three voted last time actually two democrats

one independent angus keen and main he voted for it as well so it takes five more to get this past

and get the government re-open and there's some conversation that Donald Trump has thrown out

that he is talking to democrats behind chuck shumer's back you heard the question there from

that reporter is trump speaking to the democrats shumer says i haven't heard anything about it you

also hear there that chuck shumer says this is about health care we have to take care of health care

well if you remember back to the big beautiful bill at one point there was huge discussion about

work requirement do you remember that some republicans were talking about it as well some

in the house of representatives they were being very vocal about wanting to make sure that

a work requirement was not required for medicate here's something interesting i want to take you

back to dena bash on cnn talking to scott besend the treasury secretary about the big beautiful bill

and about what was going on at that time let's listen to this together i'm sure you've seen and

heard a lot of the concern including and especially from republicans who are the most vocal

in congress about the fact that those work requirements are going to be very cumbersome

to actually prove and it will inevitably force the people who need that medicate coverage

off the rolls well first first of all it's the republicans are not the most vocal on this it is a

group of democrats who unfortunately seem to think that poor people are stupid i don't think poor

people are stupid i think they have agency and i think to have them register twice a year for

these benefits that it is not a burden but these people who want to infantilize the poor and

those who need these medicate benefits are alarmist so the democrats did not want this included

back in july when the big beautiful bill passed they did not want the work requirement included

work requirement has been around for 30 years if you want medicate you have to work if you're

able to body if your disability that's a different story but that's what was taken out of the big

beautiful bill that's what this is about for the democrats when they're talking about the

aca or obama care that they want to put back into the cr one and a half trillion dollars that's

what this is about this is the roots of what is holding up the government right now but my impression

of the republican party is that historically you've wanted to cut through the red tape and not

create more red tape but i do want to move on because well no no but the we've also wanted to put

in work requirements which somehow that was very popular under bill clinton was popular under

president obama and this democratic party blew out the deficit the in 2020 and you know they never

want to bring it back but work requirements even pull well with the median democratic voter maybe

not the fringe so back in covid they extended benefits without a work requirement they changed

that law after years there was work requirement but just like everything else in the government once

it starts good luck ever getting it to stop and that's what this argument really is about when it

comes down to it is it about illegal immigrants getting of health care i'm not so sure that that's

really the sole purpose of this i believe the sole purpose of this is removing that work

requirement that the republicans put in in the big beautiful bill i believe that's what it's about

we're gonna have to wait and see if Donald Trump really is having a conversation with five or

six or seven democrats senators to reopen the governor that was behind Chuck Schumer's back

you could tell when he answered that question that he probably didn't know a whole lot about that

we'll have to wait and see hopefully the government gets open the military needs to get paid

here in a couple of weeks that's when their next check will be so there's time there's runway

between now and then there is only one truth you've been listening to the truth be told with

bookers got on america out loud