Howard Simon Predicts Josh Allen Stats Surge as Defense Adjusts

0:00Texas, Bill Sin Houston has all the makings of the overreaction game. Whoever wins this game, it's going to be Sunday night, Monday, Tuesday. This is it. The AFC runs through them and it doesn't matter which one wins. The AFC is going to run through one of them. And the other way, oh, the loser isn't a little bit of trouble here. Right. Look at their schedule. We're going over the loser schedule. No question about it, son. Bill Simmons of the ringer, I totally agree with that point. Maybe not for the loser, but for the winner, yes. Bill's Texans has the most on the line for like the narrative bowl for the winner. Howard Simon's in studio with me, Jeremy White, Sneaky Joe's off this week. It's football season here. It is football season. When is it start? You've stepped away, of course. I have. Are you going to watch games in the bunker? No. Or you socially watch them? Yep. Oh, my bunker days are done. Wow. I'm just watching the games, having a good time. Going to watch the opener.

1:00We're going to be in Denver. So I already picked the Bill's Backers bar in Denver, downtown Denver. And I will be watching with the Denver Bills Backers. The bar's called Loto or something like that. It's a Venda one. It's I don't know. I have it in my phone. Got a reservation ready to go. Denver Bills Backers. I think it's downtown Denver. Yeah, yeah. Cool thing. Guess what? Back off. That's nice. A little bit early for drinking, but never too early for wings. It's going to bother me to not know the name of this Loto. I think it's called Loto, but it could be wrong. Loto is the district, though, right? Loto is the area that that's right. That's right. I thought it was a bar called Loto and that don't test my memory. Jackson's Loto. Nope. Anyway, someone will write it in. Someone will text it and someone in the chat. Somebody will know it. Tony's Uptown Tavern. The primary official home bar for Denver Bills Backers. Tony's Uptown Tavern.

2:01All right. That's what you're going to be. I'll be hanging out with the mask at this. The Howard Simon World Tour. How about this? I'm going to make you proud. Third game of the season. We're gone for the first two. Third game of the season. Put the TV on the back deck. Have the neighbors over. Watching over. I'm watching outside. Outside Bills watching. I mean, it's one. Once you do that, you know, I've heard you're allowed to. I actually watch Bills games with family and friends. Yeah. Like socialize when the game is on. I it's good. I have no idea what that concept is like. You'll find that it's not that social. People are watching the game. And if you try to talk to them, they'll say, shot up. I'm watching this game. How ironic would it be if I'm the person trying to initiate conversations? Right. WGR Sports Radio 550 powered by Tim Horton's The Official Coffee the Morning Show and Game Day Talgate. Jeremy and Joe, Joe out Howard's in. Now Houston Week one. How people work with you take a lot of vacation? They do. I was just on vacation too. He's taken more paternity leave taking a while. He can. But I mean, working with you does take a toll on people.

3:02It can. From what I'm told it can. By the way, I'm sorry. Remember Houston Week one. I don't want to get you on topic. But you're, uh, you're lying with Joe B the other day about how you're still on the air here. Yeah. After all these years. And then there's in no way pathetic. That was very funny. Yeah. I'm glad you're still on the air. It's been a long time. It's been a very long time. When you get to 30 punt. I was thinking about it recently. What was the thing? I was on the air. We're talking years. We're talking to young guys here, Owen and Joe Kelly. And I'm like, oh, I was on the air when that happened. And they're like, two. How cool is that? You're that guy now. How many years have been here? 25? Uh, sure. Yeah. Right? Yeah. 25 at the station mornings for 22. November of oh four. Yeah. So November the 22 years. In this chair, you are approaching gold watch territory. Did we ever sit in different chairs? Did you start in this one? No. I was always on this side. I don't think so either. I think I always sat in this. I think it's actually a different chair. Yeah.

4:03It's the same spot. Carpet's new. If this chair was 22 years old, you'd have something to talk about. So you said you've been here 25 years total? I think so. Oh, and I are 24. That's crazy. Ha! I just love references that make you old. I mean, that's just really funny to me. Honestly, I've learned a lot from you and my time that I spent with you. Because when I do something that I think is cool and they tell me they also think it's cool, I think they're doing to me what I used to do to you and be like, yeah, yeah. Oh, very cool. Yeah. Keep doing it. Just trying to make it go. Right. Humor the old guy. That's what I think they're doing now. This is so cool to watch light turn this way. Don't do that. You got to be honest. Don't pretend. Guys, don't hurt his feelings. Make him feel like he's still cool even though he's out of touch. We'll do our best. We thank you, fellas. Yeah. And they've had some fun. And a couple days I come in and I'm wearing my shirt inside out. That's happening. Yeah. We had an open almost ready to go in the third hour. And I get that. Well, I don't think so. The double sunglasses. Those are also all so hot. Double sunglasses happens a lot where I'm wearing my glasses and my sunglasses are on top of my head.

5:04The YouTube stream is how I catch that. Now I pop on this stream. See how I look and like, oh, I'm wearing my sunglasses on top of my glasses. Have you seen that? That didn't happen as much this summer. I didn't notice it. You've been locked in on that. I'm pretty good. I texted you the other day. Glasses on the hat. You're complaining. You can't find your glasses anywhere. Yeah. Well, you lost everything when you were younger. True. So that's not really a big difference. No, that's right. It's all right. I'm sorry. So Houston, week one. Are we raising money to send all one on the road trip? Jackson's. No. Okay. Loto was the old location, Anthony Ritzon from Denver. Loto was the old location. It's Jackson's now. The Bill's Backerbar in Denver. I watched a, I watched a Sabers game there. It's okay to wear Bill's gear in Denver and actually go in the green. Yeah. I don't think I get chirped at because of the playoff game. Then right. Maybe they should have lost. Denver should have lost. I should yell at Denver losing to New England. Idiots. Well, Denver, don't think about Denver is, we could sit here and say how we are cursed

6:05in this and that. I mean, imagine if the Bill said one of the Denver game in Josh Hale and breaks his ankle. Yeah, that would basically in the kneel down process. How would we feel? Cursed. Cursed. We are cursed. Cursed year. Well, weak one Houston. I bring this up because it's the topic close to my heart that I like to talk about quite a bit. The last two games they played in Houston, you remember those, right? Yeah. Not good. Yeah. Losses, Josh Allen getting thrown around. In one game, he had eight sex and the other game, he had nine completions. Yeah. Last year's receivers that were available, I put the dates wrong on this. I'm going to have to redo this because I'm an idiot. Last year, the receivers that played in the Houston loss, Galil Shakir, Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer, Elijah Moore. Okay. Two years ago, Keon Coleman, Matt Collins, MBS Curtis, Samuel, those you're receiving cores the last two seasons in losses in Houston. Yeah.

7:06And this year, it's very different, right? DJ Moore and then that other stuff. But still deeper on the back end. DJ Moore, Khalil Shakir, Josh Palmer, Skyler Bell, Keon Coleman. Yeah. It's better. I hope. I hope. It better, B. It should be better. It needs to be. Yeah. So they can bail out the defense while the defense figures out how to play. I am of the belief like you sound like you are too. People should temper the expectations on the defense early. Yeah. How do you not do that? Because they're going to be aggressive, Howard. Okay. I know. I'm with you though. I'm eager to see it come together, but anticipating it will take time to come together. How wouldn't it? We've gone through this before and this was without having a new defensive coordinator in a change of scheme. We've had other bill seasons before you and I went into the season. Well, the defense is going to be working progress, folks. I think they'll be better at the end of the season. Let's be patient. Now there's a new coordinator, a new scheme. Half the starters are gone.

8:06Yeah. Like, how do you not think they're going to go through grow? What's Detroit putting up in the home opener? The bills are going to win 5148. Jameer Gibbs is going to have a big day. I mean, it's just it has to be a work in progress. There's, you know, I told you before we went on the air, I listened to your segment last Friday with Joe Biscale and you guys, you guys hit it. Who are the inside linebackers? Where's the stud pass Russia? Who is corner back to? Those are really important questions. Let alone learning the new scheme and maybe if you're going to be aggressive, maybe there's going to be, this team is going to go from sit back and keep everything in front of you to maybe gambling, creating some plays, but giving plays up. I can't, I mean, I have no idea what to expect from the bills defense. I think if you have high expectations from day one for the bills defense, I think you're going to be very disappointed. They could be good when all is said and done, but there are some big holes on that side of the ball.

9:06You would need someone to be great. Who's great? Like, that's the thing. Can Ed be a game changer over there? Ed was great in limited action last year. Is the on walker ready to be great? Is Bradley Chubb going to return to a form that he was a couple of years ago? On that side of the ball, who do you anticipate being great? What is Rousseau turned into like take another step up? I feel like Rousseau, I'm going to bank on him being exactly what he was. Yeah, right? Exactly what he was. Well, then where else is it coming from? We know Benford's a top notch corner. I was very interested in listening to Joe. Joe, actually, this I think was on the channel seven show. He was raven about Cole Bishop. And what Bishop could turn out to be now, if Cole Bishop turns out to be a playmaking safety, that's great. That's not going to mean the defense right off the bat in Houston on day one is going to be a killer. I think they're going to go through some issues. And I think the offense is going to have to get back into what we usually expect from them. Score over 30 points. And pray the defense makes some stops every now and then.

10:09Protect Josh. Oh, like run the ball. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, what's the passing game going to be? Are we now seeing that they're going to go away from throw behind the line of scrimmage yards after catch and actually throw down field? I'd like to see that with DJ Moore, you should be throwing the ball down field more, right? I'd like to see that return. So I'm confident in the offense. I know they're down to starting offensive linemen. There's always issues about whether can Cade can stay healthy. Who knows if, if, you know, Keanu'll turn into anything, but I'm fairly confident that the bills will still have a top five scoring offense in the NFL as long as the guy at quarterback is there. They could have the number one scoring offense with one small change and that's not necessarily DJ Moore. They could have the number one scoring offense if they just decided to have more place. If they up their tempo, if they passed more, that's it.

11:11Their team that runs all the time and scores a lot of points. And if they passed it more often, they probably scored more points, especially now that like we just went over those, those receiver groups they had in Houston, Houston has been a house of horse in part because their meager receiving cores have gone in there depleted in games like they were without Shakir in one without concade last year. This year I've got concade Shakir and DJ Moore already go all healthy in the Houston game coming up on Sunday. So like I can lean on them healthy. And if I lean on the passing game more, then I just will score more points. The only thing that I would bring up here, this is, this is a flashback to 30 something years ago is the, if you do that, if you go up tempo, yeah, you can, you can score, you can score fast. And then if you're worried about your defense, if you go three and out, your defense is on the field very quickly. Is it putting, if you're going to play tempo and not score, you're putting a lot of stress on your defense. And if the defense isn't ready for the challenge, that could be an issue.

12:13But honestly, if you asked me which way I would go, I would lean towards your way because I have faith in Josh Allen. I have faith in him to lead the offense and do the things they need to do. And I get, like I said, I think when they play the talented offense, I'm not sure what Houston's going to be offensively this year. David Montgomery a bunch. I love David Montgomery, but you played Detroit. You play the Rams. You play even the chargers, like teams that can actually put up points in bunches. That's a very interesting dilemma for Joe Brady. Montgomery, I just love as a, as a player. He's been a, like I don't think he's all that dangerous for the bills to try to stop. But the way he plays, like a total Dan Campbell running back who has been awesome for the Lions and finally gets out of there, you know, Gibbs taken over full time. K-Shon Booty. I don't know how I like him. Me too. I don't know how much of a role he'll have in that offense. I think he's good. They need to get him open. I mean, he can be a downfield playmaker. He consistently burned by consistently, I mean more than anybody else in football.

13:15Like he was the Stevie to Revis on Derek Stingley, who's on the Texans. Booty beat him for two touchdowns deep. Nobody else. Other guys have beaten Stingley ever. He's beaten him twice, including in the playoffs. So Houston, not only got Booty to help their receiver core, they got the one guy that beat Derek Stingley with some success. Yeah, I think he can be a game breaking receiver. The little bit we saw of him against the bills. Again, to go to Nico Collins. It's a nice pair. Yeah. CJ Stroud would think of him. The other thing about the bills and, you know, we spent so much time talking about them and their expectations is who got better in the AFC? Well, that's a good question. New England get better. Yes. Did Cincinnati get better? Yes. Well, they get Joe Burrow back makes it. They do, but they also got a lot of pieces on their defense and bigger pieces. Like they went hunting for bigger pieces than the bills did. Dexter Lohans and boy, I'm off air both bigger pieces than the bills got. So that's a part of it. Did Baltimore get better? Maybe that's a coaching change. Well, that's not about the one that you're changing. That's a rookie head coach. The rookie head coach. He had discussion the bills you're having about Joe Brady.

14:16So rookie OC and Declan Doyle, who comes out of the Ben Johnson tree, did Kansas City get better? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't know. They lost their, who were their corners? Mansort Elaine and I don't know who else. I mean, they're kind of doing, I wouldn't say retooling the defense, but they took some hits there. Yeah. Did the chargers get better? Yes. Try remember what the chargers did in the office. They changed their offensive coordinators. No, that's right. They brought in mechanical. And they got their tackles back. Yeah. Well, that's huge for them. Right. Because Herbert gets killed. Did the Broncos get better? They lost a couple of pieces on defense, but they had a Jalen Waddle. So, you know, to, to only evaluate your own team based on, do we look better than we were at this last year's, like you might have been, but how, how's the conference looking? So, but to your point, at least with Denver and New England, you are talking about teams that are rivals of the bills for conference supremacy, bringing in really good weapons to help their passing game, right? The leagues about scoring.

15:17The leagues about having a franchise quarterback and putting up points and two of the big rivals in the conference added huge weapons for their passing games. I mean, as much as they hate the Patriots, it's a great pick up. Both might be more in endops. And Waddle. Yeah. That's right. I forgot about him. And I love Waddle. I think, you know, I'm not a huge bow next guy, but I think Waddle is a terrific player. Dan and Jersey Dan, good morning. Hey, boys. Good morning. Listen, I had a question about expectations. And I was thinking back to you were talking about draft season, which I don't want to look ahead to yet, but I feel like a lot of like the demands around the draft are based on where you finish, you know, this year. And so just thinking about expectations, like what is a good season look like for you guys both on the defensive side of the ball and on the, on the offensive side? Because for me, I think the offense has to be top three. And if it's not, you got to keep investing in that.

16:18And if the defense is top 15, to me, like that's, that's a good season. So I'm just curious what you guys think about that. Thanks, Dan. I think there's a, I'm glad you said, like what's a good season? Because there's a difference between good season and good outcome. I could have a good season for my defense. They finished 10th and league. That's a good season. They go to the playoffs and lose to Joe Burrell. That's not a good outcome. But did I get a good defense? You know, where am I in evaluating Jim Leonard and evaluating the last cup? Well, drafts where they go so heavy on the defensive line. Just TJ Parker looked like a future star, you know, like there are things that could happen this year that could be without a doubt good. And the ultimate outcome is not good. Right. Last year, how is the outcome? Not good. They lost in Denver. They fired their coach. What good things happen along the way? Plenty. You know, your offensive line look good. Oh, Cyrus Torrance, you decided it's good enough to lock into his spot. James Cook led the league in rushing. That's a good season for him. So what's a good season look like for the defense? For me, I would say for me, a good season from the defense is two players on the defense

17:21look like certified top of their position guys. And that can be cold bishop and he unwarked. Sure. If those, I think those are honestly, that's why I was going to go. It's less about for me about team stats and rankings. Although I think you've got to be in the top half. If you're not in the top half, that's bad. But it's more about building up. Do they have guys that turn out to be huge pieces? Cornerstone pieces like Christian Benford has turned out to be a cornerstone piece. You need to identify by the end of this season, you have cornerstone studs on the defensive side of the ball. And I want to say right or wrong, better than Benford, whoever these players that pop are better than Benford. Benford, I saw someone today pointing out that since Christian Gonzalez got paid big, big money, you know, can you believe being got Benford for so much cheaper? And part of that's the passage of time. The other part of it is Benford for whatever reason, underrated or whatever. He doesn't rate. Executives coaches, scouts were asked to rank the top corners in football. He didn't make the top 24.

18:22Now, they might all just be wrong on some level, but I want guys on this defense that it is impossible to miss. And Benford is good. His job might get tougher this season with a lot more man press. And I and behind him. Who knows? So not saying Benford is not good, but I want guys that are unavoidable. I can't possibly say, you know, this guy's underrated. I've had a little too much for my taste of us thinking the bills have all these bargain contracts. Why do they have all these bargain contracts? It's a possible because we think the player is a little better than the league thinks they are. And that's, if that's Benford, that's Benford. Now, whatever, when we talk about it with Joe Marino, lock down bills like he thinks he's the top five corner of the league. Great. I wanted to get a new number because he needs a marketing campaign. I need bills, players that are undeniably great defensively. I have that on offense with Alan. Yeah, but I have it with Cook.

19:22Yeah. I have had it with Dawkins. I have had it with, you know, Dave. I had it when Diggs was here. That's right. Right. And King Cade is another like what's a good season, but not a good outcome. A good season might be Dalton, King Cade. We're not checking the injury report every week. And he puts up 1200 yards and like, oh, turns out he is a top three tight in the league. I really don't spend much time talking about the offense and like what's a good season because standard operating procedure for the offense for, I don't know, five, six, seven years now is top five or top three. I fully anticipate that'll happen. I really, what's your concern? What concern would you have about the offensive side of the ball? They did lose one starting offensive lineman and that's been a very stable unit for a couple of years. What would be your concern over there? Outside of injuries. Yeah. Still receiver depth is a question. Yes, yes. I still, I mean, if we were getting right down to it, I would ask you the biggest weakness is receiver two might be it, but it might be okay.

20:23But enough weakness to take this team out of a top five scoring spot. Shouldn't be. Right. Shouldn't be because the quarterback overcomes everything. Yes. So it's really what's happening on the defensive side of the ball. And I think back to the collar's point. Yes. If you could look at it and go, man, Colbexia has turned into one of the top safeties in the league. Hey, Deon Walker is a record on the defensive line. Like if that stuff happens this season, that would be tremendous. Another playmaking line back would be nice too. Yeah. 803 05 50 is our phone number. And tomorrow Seattle and New England and then the game in Australia. And did you watch the Michigan outcome last night with the, or whatever Saturday night with the helmet? What happened? I did not. I could not bring myself to watching the clip because I can't stand Michigan and I knew what happened. Did they get screwed? Weston Michigan. Yeah. So as I, again, I did not, this is one of those moments where I, I try and stay away from sports that will stress me out.

21:25So I was on Twitter, X whatever. And I saw the tweet that, hey, here's this what just happened. Last break for Weston Michigan and I watched the video of the incomplete pass. I knew, okay, there was another down and they won the game and I really didn't want to watch it and I didn't look for the explanation. Guy was out of bounds, touched the ball or something. Oh, okay. You don't know the whole explanation. Let me give it to you because this is blended clock thing. It's close to blended clock. So but a Western mission. It was a Hail Mary. The Houndstown Michigan player was out of bounds, went up, touched the ball. Yes. So that they rule a legal touching or something or a loss? No. No. No. So I was a journalist upon review because the game ends. Yeah. We all watched the game end and then they said the previous play is under review. Okay. Now me watching, I thought for what? What's to watch? You can't overturn. Okay. Why they review it was the quarterback ball across the line that would even matter. It's incomplete. Right. They go back and they see that the ball was first touched by a Western Michigan player

22:27that had jumped while standing out of bounds. Okay. As soon as he touches the ball, the ball's out of bounds. The clock stops. Oh, right. Problem. He hadn't touched the ball yet. You can see the ball in the air with zero seconds on the clock and he's jumping for it. Zero's not touching the ball. Then they put one second back on the clock. No one can understand why and their explanation after hours later, the big 10 releases a separate video that shows the other clock that no one sees that only the officials have access to. That's not in the stadium. That's not on the broadcast. A different clock. There's a mystery clock. There's a different clock that shows when the player did touch the ball as they said it had there was one second left. Where's this other clock? Secret. Only six people have it. Officials. The officials have that clock. They have their own clock? When did this happen? Turns out the clock you're watching, not the clock. They have their own clock. Oh, and not our clock. There was a second left. Can they put the officials clock on the screen so the rest of us can actually see what

23:30the time involved thought that's what's happening the whole time turns out now they have their own clock. Who knew? And it's just the perfect amount of time off to allow you went into the real kick in the T. Wow. You went into the real kick in the T. The real kick in the T is on the prior play. Michigan got a first down and it was clocked with eight seconds left and they added a second of the clock to go from eight to nine. And then they threw a Hail Mary. Where time expired. And then they added another second to go to one second left and gave West Michigan another Hail Mary. This is why I don't watch sports anymore. Good thing they reviewed it, right? Sunday. Sunday. You'll have me back in for my thoughts on replay. Well, then Michigan stormed the field. So if you hate Michigan, the good news is you get to make fun of that forever. They stormed the field because they beat Western Michigan. Yes. Come on. They should not get a home game the rest of the season. That should be the penalty. No more home games. The rest. It's. I love the Mac. Western Michigan.

24:31Bo Schembeck would be turning over in his grave. I can't believe they stole these guys. The best part of the best part was they had Kyle Wittingham on the field after like right away in the pandemic. Yeah. And the reporter asks him, you know, about the moment and he's he's very much like. Yeah. We should. And then the question is, would you learn about your team? And he goes like this, that we got a lot of work to do. Yes, they do. No offense, but man. All right. Anything else? We're all good. We're all good. Up. I should go back and watch those Hail Mary's one more time. Don't do that to yourself. Just free memo to every coach in the world. Blitz on a Hail Mary. Send someone. Did they rush two or three or like four? Go get him. No, we have no experience with Hail Mary's burning a team around here. I mean, twice, but we're any of consequence, I guess the Arizona game.

25:33Hail Mary one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, have a great season. Thank you. Thank you. What's your official prediction? Did you do that yet? My official prediction is this. I have a narrative prediction. The defense takes a step back. And because of that, the offense will have to do more. They'll play faster. We'll have more passes. They will score more points. Alan will have his best statistical season in like three or four years. And it'll be ironic because people will say that's because McDermott stopped controlling the offense. When in reality is because McDermott stopped controlling the defense. Yeah. I liked your question the other day. Four points from the offense are four fewer points by the defense. I'd go with four more points. Where they coming from. That's all it's I mean, that's why I've always wanted them to get a receipt. We sit here this morning. Again, I fully anticipate the defense in January will look better than the defense we see Sunday. But right now I would tell you they need four more points from the offense. You going any of these games?

26:33New high mark. You got plans? No, I can't afford the tickets. I'm going with me. I'll take you to a game. Is it free? Are you going to charge me like I did for the Carolina playoff game? What about face value? Something about what is face value? It's not secondary market value. I went on the secondary market the other day. The only game was it was the Jets game in January was the cheapest ticket on the secondary market. And that was still I don't know 200 something. Just wait. Just wait. Right now the cheapest. Right now the cheapest ticket to Detroit is back up. Oh, I'm not even thinking about that. But it went again like is it 400? Any story about the price of tickets that's using secondary tickets is just a lie of a story. Yes, it is. I do that does what for me four months ago the price was $680. Two weeks ago it was $350. Right now it's 412. Yeah. Well, if you invite me, I would consider going face value. Okay. I got a check and see if my limited income account can afford that. Can you make it all the way up to the upper deck?

27:33Cause I'm way up there. Hey, yesterday. So, you know, I do tours in the falls. They just opened up a new thing called the cataract stairs. It goes from the bottom at the boat level all the way up to the top of prospect point. Is that a stairs? Over 300 steps. Wow. Did that yesterday? I wasn't suggesting it like you couldn't do it. I mean, the height. But you were? No, like the heights. We got up to my, our seats and my wife looked down and I thought like her face went and was like, whoa. It is that steep, huh? It's pretty steep. I will tell you in the old odd, you were never in the odd. No, but I've been in the carrier dome. In the old, okay. So in the old odd, the oranges were the top seats. I was always scared to walk down to my row in the oranges because I thought if I tumble, I will collapse down the steps, go flying over the railing and hit down below and die. It was scary walking in the, so if it's that steep, the stadiums, pretty steep. Walking down to your seat would be just kind of be careful. But I can handle steps.

28:34You let me know. All right. Thanks for coming in. Nice to see you. Nice to see you too. Always a pleasure. Go bills. I'm going to spend some day this week with all of your recorded voice version of it. So, you know, 17 and 0. I'll be picking them, just using your voice. Okay. Not actually your pick. Yeah, but in my pick. I would like people to know that it's your pick. So when the complaints come in, please send them to Jeremy. I'm still going to call it Howard Picks, the bills. I'm just going to guess what you would pick. Is that copyright infringement? Trademark, patent, anything? Can I get money from that? I think no, because I invented it. No, that's a very good point. Julie noted. Thank you. All right. Thanks for coming in. Howard Simon here. Jeremy and Joe, back in a moment here. What haven't we got to? Oh, let's get to a quick little hell of a update. Insiders are talking about it a little bit more and talks of a three team trade. Three teams may be getting involved to make it happen. And the Sabers goalie going out.