Hr1 - Let's talk about that Penix "killer" instinct

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1:09But before he got here in Miami, maybe it was me talking to some guys down there because he doesn't post on Twitter. If you go to Twitter, he's still got Miami stuff on the Twitter like it's he's not purged or any of it that kind of stuff. But there was this post out there that he liked and everybody's like, oh, two of them got the switches account. He's like Kevin Durin. He's got a burner account. Daniel Flick from the a JC dot com says he doesn't handle his own social media. Which guys to be honest with you a lot of these professional athletes do have people that are involved way more involved than they are now. They're not going to post anything dumb right they're going to get their approval. But he said to us and I'm talking about the Atlanta media. I don't have social media. So I don't see any of that. Whether the team's posting or whatever's going on on Twitter or Instagram. He says if anything social media for me is YouTube. So people are saying that you know what is this him? Did he really like this post and you go what did the post have to do with Mike? What did the post have to do with to a man for the a to a man. We're so proud of you.

2:11You got this heart symbol. So whether it's somebody in his family that's sometimes that's what it is in social media. It's a relative. It's a friend. You know, it's it's your wife. You know, either way. Yeah, I mean it just for like five minutes it was something funny. But of course it went around the world. And once bar stool has it, well, you can just forget about it because now it's two a did it. Who was just like direct. Who was liking his own stuff. So I mean, again, Daniel Flick. I like what a guy said on Twitter today says Daniel Flick is becoming the voice of reason right. I like him. He is doing a good job. No, he's done a really good job. Hey, man. We got a lot to chop up. What do you make of this JD Bertrand on injured reserve? He makes the club, but then boom. So yeah, did he get hurt after he made the club? Or this is just some gymnastics with the 53 man roster. Don't know because they were going to bring three guys in. But either way, I mean, two parts of this the Zach Harrison getting cut. I think it was more people are freaked out that JD Bertrand was still on the roster and Zach Harrison wasn't true. And I tried to bring some perspective to the Zach Harrison conversation. Look, you finally popped after three years. You only played in seven games last year.

3:13Four and a half sacks and seven games is respectable. But he also played in the games where teams ran for 500 yards against us. So, you know, I've just I think it's a Nate all these said it best. They like his like his stuff, but he's it's about being healthy and staying healthy. And maybe he comes back in the fold via the practice squad if someone else doesn't grab. Yeah. And I know, you know, I think that was a surprise to a lot of Falcon fans because again, you start adding up all these sacks and you realize a majority of them are gone. Dorless is back. He had eight and a half. LeCale London had five Billy Bowman had a second a half. He's on the mend and coming back and then divine Diablo. I said divine Diablo had one. Those are the only four guys that are back when you talk about who's going to be out there. You go week one and you look at what we had last year. And again, I'm not telling our defense was, you know, number one in the league. But as far as the sack number, if that's something you're concerned with, the crazy thing is Mike and I have complained about getting after the quarterback for years. And they finally did and we didn't even make the playoffs. Right. Guys, they got to fix this offense.

4:13And as much as we talk about the D line and Mike's right about the run game that the run defense was terrible last year. It was not good. That has to improve. But for me, Mike, I've been saying the investment is in the offense. You went out and hired an offensive coach. Right. Again, you went out and acquired, you know, more pieces and certainly paid guys that you currently really like. But yeah, we're still not scoring any points. And so until that happens, this whole defensive thing and don't get me wrong. When they deserve criticism, we're going to criticize them when they're not good. And there were times last year they weren't good. They didn't do a good job. But the 57 sacks made everybody go, wow, look at the Falcons. It didn't equate to anything. It's funny because for years we used to joke around about man, we need some pressure on the quarterback. Man, we need sacks. And we always joke around about Mike Smith sacks are overrated guys told us years ago. Like, no, they're not. Well, in this case, they were because if you look at and I saw some analytics guys are, you lost to heart and soul. You're very aggressive. We were 24th against the run. We averaged 200 yards against the run.

5:15So while I don't, yes, I don't want to give up all the sacks and about half the sacks have walked out of the building, whether through suspension or injury or guys that aren't here anymore. Yeah, you know, you still have to be better against the run. So I mean, I mean, look, I'm not enamored with over. I think he is a good job. But I don't think he's the be all end all here. I think we've got to be better. Look how the 49ers just gashed us in the last five minutes of the game. You know, didn't have enough guys on the field. Look how the culture right down the field. I got the Patriots and right down the field on us. We couldn't stop them. So that's part of why we had to make some some changes. Yeah, 4047260929 guys. It's September 1st. It's officially football season. If it's been hot, which it has been and maybe you're not feeling it, it's September 1st, we get a slew of games coming up this weekend in college football. We turn the corner and get past Labor Day and the NFL's here. It's time. What do we have and what don't we have on this team? That's really what we're trying to figure out. What are we? What do we have? What don't we have? And then what can we be? And like all these projections, Mike, I'm so over like reading seven games, six games. I have no idea. I get the whole quarterback thing.

6:20But for me, like I look at this team and I'm just like, okay, the most important question still has not been answered. The most important question has still not been answered. And that's Michael Pinnix. Until that gets resolved in some way, shape, or form. I don't even know how we can project anything, Mike, because even if we do win with two or frost or Cooper rush, you're going to still wonder about the one thing we've all been wondering about. So I look at this and I go 12 starts four wins. Not enough. We know that. And that's the part about this whole going into the season. Halfway through his rookie deal, we got to figure this out. And until that gets figured out, it's just hard for me to tell you exactly what we are or what we're not. I don't think there's any fans out there with this exception, maybe a few that are really juiced about to a start in Pittsburgh. You want to see your young quarterback finally developing the guy that some of you thought he was going to be when he was picked in the first place. So that only starts with him getting on the field for the full evaluation. So if Adam Schefter's accurate and they want to see how he looks for the full week under his belt after 3-11-11's last weekend and ask him how he feels.

7:23And then are we going to get that the answer you're looking for? I saw what you posted today on social media about killer instinct. Now again, guys are making excuses for pecs. He's not ready. He can't go. Okay, guys, it's the NFL. Nobody's really over ever 100 freaking percent. Okay. Once the season starts, everybody is now. If it's a battery, like it's a madden game 99, 98, 97. But I just I agree with you. I think you want a little more attitude here and hopefully we'll hear that this week. Yeah, it was a post from Jalen Brown who we love. I love Jalen Brown's game. I love his makeup. I look, he's way better than Paul George at this point. That was a steal of a trade. And it's why Philly is going to be good. What a LeBron or you know, plays up to his potential or not. But Jalen Brown was like, look, my mentality is this year is to kill. I want blood. And I'm sitting there thinking and this was just him on Twitch. He's just talking to his audience. And I'm like, that's what I'm looking for. That's what I wanted to hear last week. Even if he didn't play, I wanted to feel like, man, you know what, man, he is. I can't wait to see him.

8:25But with this uncertainty, Mike, I'm wavering because I don't even know if he's going to be ready when they throw him out there. I hope he is, but it's an attitude. It is all attitude. And even if you don't play well, at least make a stink. You really want it. And that's what was missing. And so when I saw Jalen Brown say that, you know, it's my mentality. I want to kill this year. You know, I want to kill because he feels like he got disrespected by Boston. Everybody has a reason and motivation. What is Michael pinnix's motivation? Right. What is his motivation to come out and kill and also walk blood and to show everybody I'm that MFR. That's it. That's what we're looking at here. And I said last week, unless that's just the way he's wired. You know, look, I know there's a fire in this guy's belly. I've seen it. I've seen him on the sidelines. You know, Zach, Zach Robinson to stop screwing me over. Help me. Give me the FN play. You know, so again, he's not a wallflower. You don't get to be the starter in a team that's played with the national championship. We said yesterday, but I'm getting some soft kind of, you know, beta not an alpha. But it's just like I said, all we've talked about is all we have to go on guys until he hits the field.

9:31Is you know where it's at? No doubt. Also, Amy on Terrell is in line to start week one at nickel, which is where we kind of projected him to be when they drafted my set. Is he a corner was my only question. What are you doing with him? They feel good about their corners. Obviously our safety positions are solid. And it gives him a chance to work in my eventually. I do think he'll be one of our corners. Hopefully his brother is still here and they're playing together. That would be an incredible story. But this is still incredible. If they're going to be on the field at the same time, don't a regular season game. But as we talk about the Falcons, I want you to hear Kevin's to fan skis his thoughts on this starting offense. Because again, what is this offense? What is it truly going to look like week one and beyond? Here's Kevin's to fansky. Yeah, I think it's important this dress rehearsal getting ready for week one. And if if anything, it just alleviate some of the butterflies for guys and now you got out there and you got some good work under your belt here in August and getting you ready for September. Yeah, one guy didn't know those butterflies will still be there. That work will still have to be done. It's why we wanted to see him at least for a series or two. It didn't work out.

10:37But don't think for a second that's not going to be there Mike September 13th if they announce him the starter. Don't think it won't be their week two against Carolina at home. It's just a part of it. That's why you want to get that stuff out of you and go, okay, I'm good. You know, it's like a box of getting punched in the face. I need to know if I can take one. Yeah, it was just and again, I don't if I can't explain the level of competition and desire and passion. And again, if you feel that it's simply a matter of him getting his confidence and you and Carl, you guys got to get off his back. Well, again, as we heard yesterday from Malik Willis, the NFL doesn't wait for anybody. So, you know, if you think of this, we're going to play the long game here. No, there's one year to prove you're the man or not going to we're not going to resign you or pick up your your option in essence. That's it. Time is going, man. So let's that's all we're saying. Man, that's why it was kind of surprising here. Ready to play Friday. Well, not mainly at three 11 on 11. Yeah, after all the guys are the panic fanboys are like, he's been doing this seven on sevens, which we now basically realize as you're a bright and big fan of you, we just don't mean anything. Is this often going to be better than what we've seen the last few years. Great question. It's got to be. It's got to be. Well, I think it's better than last year.

11:44Okay, I do too. And I think the coaching is going to be better. But again, with the quarterback as the as the as the giant, who knows what the blanket's going to be? How can you say you know right? Yeah, and you know, it's easy for us to say yes, I get it because Mike is right about that. The online has been here. These yeah, you have four experienced guys. You got a new piece who is also experienced. To be done jump off sides a couple of times like you did in that preseason game. Come on, you want. But to say that you know that this offense is going to be better. How much better? See, I'm not talking like a first down better. I'm talking about we're scoring points, Mike, and we're a force so much so that our offense is being talked about. That hasn't been the case guys since we led the league and scoring in 16. That's it. Right. I mean, other than B. John's fantasy implications last couple of years, that's that's the only guy that you really trust. No, pits. I think if you had pits last year, you're happy. I think that role gets better. They just look, they believe in pits. They didn't. I said audition him for you. They said, no, we're going to. We're going to stand it very team friendly contract. By the way, but they extended him. So they believe in pits. Yeah, I do too. I mean, look, I for whatever reason I the part about about Kyle pits is he was 19, 20 years old. We drafted him.

12:55And you know, you fast forward five years. I don't know about you five years. When I was 19 to 20, 25. I think he's got a kid at home now and it's matured. And I do think he gets it. But he's the problem is Mike, the expectation of foreign the draft and the production. Right. Like that. That's the issue he's fighting. And it's not his fault. But you're going fourth overall, bro. You should be doing a 1500 yards every year, but it hadn't been that. Right. Another one of the variables and it was more later in the season when Kirk cousins got under center, but Drake's got to stay healthy. You know that want to remind you each wins and I joined a day man that day, day Lewis for prep sports nation. A comprehensive look at the teams and athletes making high school sports news across the state. It's brought to you by angles. Low prices love the savings. That's prep sports nation. Wednesday nights on sports radio, 92 9 again. Let's talk to our man Tony Gwen Jr. are MLB Odyssey insider insider calls brought to you by Granger for the ones who get it done. Granger offers the professional grade products. You need delivered when you need them and where you need them. Call click or just go to Granger.com Tony. Good to have you on again, man. We own the Dodgers. I can say that with confidence. How important was that series for the braves to sweep the Dodgers last week.

14:11Now we own the season series and we know this could come down to the last week of the season. Yeah, no, I think it's big. I think more importantly, I think it kind of kick started the braves starting to play some good baseball again and having to play that kind of competition. Well, as I said last week, we'll kind of kind of get introduced to slow in a little bit and it seems like that's happened for the braves. I think obviously because of, you know, how the playoffs are kind of constructed. You want to have the better record. You want to be able to skip a round if you can. And so having that that series against one of the division leaders certainly goes a long way. Should the braves go on and when they're division and have one of the better records. Isn't it funny though how teams have somebody's number Carl said it earlier, the giants who are not doing anything with a college manager have the braves number this year. But do you think what we do against the braves against the Dodgers carries on until this postseason with all the pitching when it gets all healthy for the Dodgers.

15:17Yeah, I mean listen, I think at the very least, you know, the braves on a team that that that fears the Dodgers. I think they look at the Dodgers as as they're equal in a lot of ways. And so I think it's nice to have the series series series. But I think you ultimately know once you get to the postseason, anything can happen. And so knowing that you you had success against the team certainly goes a long way. But once you get the playoffs, you have to be able to do it again. And you know, it's one thing to do it during the regular season. But being able to execute it during the postseason is just another another monster. And I certainly helps to have that confidence going in. All right. So we tried to at least I did try to get you to talk about you know, this is a big series. It's August. You were like, yeah. Okay, September 1st, Tony. It's a big series against the Phillies. We got four games coming up. They're chasing us. What kind of you know urgency should the braves have heading into these next two games, the nationals before getting to the weekend series with the Phillies.

16:20I think you definitely don't want to you definitely want to take care of business against the nationals and the braves have I think they want something like a eight of the last 11 these teams of space. So this is the team that they they generally take care of business. So they definitely want to do that. But make no mistake about it. We are in the September. This is one of the remaining matchups these two teams have against one another. And so four games set. So absolutely it's a big series. It's it's different than the dollars. This is in their division. I mean, and the Phillies have put themselves in a position now where you know, they're close enough to where this series matters now. And so absolutely they need to take care of business in this little short two games that they got against the nationals, but make no mistake about it. That series is going to be an important one in a big one. Phillies are pretty much dead in the water. And you think Matt is madly the reason or just guys got healthy or guys got into or a bit of both because they certainly run our heels now.

17:20Well, if I had tough to say, you know, maybe maybe it was a quick trigger by the organization. Maybe it was it was it was it was Don's voice, you know, a change and change in voice. Sometimes that that does go a long way. None of us never really know. I think only those guys in that clubhouse could answer that. But there's no there's one thing that's not mistaken. They have certainly played better since the change has happened. So I guess we all make of it what we can. But they're in it shortly after, you know, I think they made the move to go to Don Maddenly. This team has played different. They've also got healthy guys have also played better. I think all of those things are our ingredients of why they're where they are. So, you know, who knows whether it was it was done or are these guys getting better, but there's no doubt that they got a whole lot better once the change was made inside. And so the calls brought you by Granger for the ones who get it done. Granger offers professional grade products. You need delivered win and where you need them call. Click Granger dot com or just stop by Tony.

18:23You know what this here on Duke's in Bell. We got to talk about a team that I think could be dangerous. That's the Cubs. So Tony, they hit 62 62 home runs in August. And I think the only other team that's hit more. You got to go back to the 2019 Dodgers. I believe it was or the Yankees. Excuse me. Who hit like 73 or 74. They seem to be peeking at the right time. Give me your thoughts on the Cubs. They're definitely a monster. But again, I will say peeking at the right time. I don't know. You still got a whole month of baseball before we get to the postseason. That means they got to keep this up for that long period of time. It doesn't happen very often. Right. You may see teams pick it up from mid September and run it through the whole gambit there. But it's a long time for a team to continue that. So I don't know that they're peeking at the right time, but they certainly are our team that you got to deal with. The brewers them and the brewers kind of going back and forth. There's still a ways behind the brewers that ultimately.

19:30But you know, right now that nobody wants to go into Chicago and have to play them in a set right now, especially away. PCA is swinging a bat. He seems like he wants everybody's attention on this MVP race. We're talking a lot about distractions and keeping the clubhouse right. We talked about it with Alex. And thought was just today we found out from you that. Hassan Kim is a likable guy guys are pulling form and maybe he'll get into some kind of swing of things. Reason I bring it up is Arizona for a minute there. Unless you feel they're they're fading 10 games now out in that division, but still maybe alive in the wild. The whole marty thing just seems like such a soap opera. He gets food coming back from the fans for guys. You don't follow. He was on a road trip. He basically just plagued out walked away from the team. And it's and some folks are like, you know, do you just have to eat it because he's obviously a tremendous talent, but it seems like he's an incredible flake. Yeah, I mean listen. It's one of those it's one of those situations that from the outside looking in certainly doesn't look good optically.

20:32Right. It seems like, you know, whatever his frustrations were, he approached it in a way that I think most people wouldn't approach it. And so he got to deal with the consequences of that. That means likely getting booed and fans feeling away. He ultimately has to also answer to a teammates and it sounds like he was able to get in front of them. They will make of it whatever they make of it at this point, but but certainly on the outside looking in. It's not a good look and and he and there will be consequences that he'll have to deal with and you know how he handles it, you know, move before will demonstrate a lot. I'm sure. You ever advocated as you call as you call a game for a guy to get hit because the red socks play by play announcer will flimming. Obviously, I thought he went above and beyond and you know, he apologized, but this chism thing. First of all, what are your thoughts on chism?

21:37Some of this stuff doesn't he bring upon himself and then was the broadcaster completely out of line by saying we should hit him. Yes, we'll start there. Absolutely. Too far. There's a way to talk about those type of things without crossing the line and as it seemed that that will did in that situation. He apologized for it and you know, at this point, I saw some of the replies in the comments as opposed to some of the Yankees. I don't think they buy it, but nonetheless in terms of in terms of jazz. That's kind of you know, you heard Boone kind of explain like if if a team is going to hold you on, you know, you're going to show him the courtesy. You know, you're going to show him the courtesy of not running, but it almost like you can't have it both ways. You can't then also play off and expect me to stay where they put.

22:39And so that's how they played it. And you know, clearly, he will need to felt they felt need to apologize after also hearing, you know, with the thought process of it behind it is. That's kind of the tough part. You know, a lot of times we are speaking on things that we may not have all the information on. And you know, it wasn't just that it was a complaint about the the stolen base. It also was a tag on his character. And you know, that's kind of where it gets it gets a little fuzzy and you know, I think ultimately apology was necessary. Yeah, again, he's a bit of a loof. That's best way to put it. But I mean, we always joke around Tony, the unwritten rules slowly dying in baseball. Those things are still carved in stone. I mean, it just depends the one that gets dicey is is the the the the the lead, you know, it used to be you get a certain lead, certain run lead.

23:39No more running, right? But the game has changed in a way where those endings that used to be considered like outreach are no longer out of reach. And I think it's blurred the line in terms of what's acceptable was not. I think for the most part, everything is still kind of intact. You know, I'm saying that the the score thing when when games get kind of big or are deemed out of reach, I think that is the part that has kind of changed only because we've seen the type of comebacks. You know, in recent history that we just never saw before. Right. Right. Yeah, it's interesting. I I'm glad we're in September, Tony. I know you are because this is we're about to find out a lot more about these teams that are in in the mix. Do you expect any surprises? And I say that based on the fact that we know who the leaders are atop the standings. But do you see a team speaking of getting hot and maybe catching fire and maybe sneaking up on on this situation, especially in the national league?

24:46I mean, anything is possible and then American league at this point. American. Absolutely. I mean, it's crazy. Like what what did you tell us in the east, almost all those teams are or vying for a playoff spot? They pretty much are. I mean, listen to Orioles were they sold at the deadline. And they're right in the thick of it. I mean, I don't know if you guys saw the catch that my man made center. Yes, I was unbelievable. A walk off a walk off, you know, game winning home run save. That team is smack dab right in the middle of it. So yes, there could be any surprises that at this point coming out of that. I think the national league is pretty set. I mean, you got three teams vying for two spots. You got Philly's Diamondbacks project. And we're going to watch these three teams toggle between those two spots. I think the Cubs are kind of putting themselves. And again, there's a whole month of base for left. So a lot can change from beginning of September to the end.

25:49But they look like at this point, they're going to take that first spot. It'll be those three teams vying for the last two. Oh, rise. He's on his way back apparently. Aaron judge could return to the lineup. Aaron Boone said that Monday. That'll be a big boost for them too. So we'll see, man, plus we just want to see the stars in the playoffs, right? I mean, even in the last month of the season. I know it's been a struggle for him, but that's something we'll keep an eye on. Hey, Tony, thank you so much, man. We'll talk to you next week. All right. Take care. Cool. That was all to see MLB inside of Tony Quinn Jr. Brought to you by Granger for the ones who get it done. Granger offers professional grade products. You need delivered winning or you need them. Click or call Granger.com or just stop by Mike and I were just talking about the big kickoff games this weekend. I don't think there's a bigger one than LSU Clemson for various reasons. Obviously, right? It's Lane Kiffin's debut. Coach, dabble, Swinney's got to get back in the mix here. And when I say that, guys, you know, they're not ranked. So, you know, you talk about a fall from grace and I don't think that Clemson's bad, but they haven't played up to their standard.

26:53They've gotten poor quarterback play over these last couple of years, Mike. So you were just telling me, you know, the idea that look, if they lose the season's not over. But I will tell you, people will start to look at this program of dabble a little bit different. Right? And a lot of folks look folks have been ready and circling the wagons. The media doesn't like it because he's a faith-based coach. So they've been, volunteers are circling over the other deathfalley. This one's an LSU deathfalley. But he says this week, in my mind, he was asked about the starters and this team for this week against LSU. Quote, in my mind, we still don't have any starters. Now we're going to run some guys out there Saturday and then we'll start to make some decisions because we'll have some performance. Not exactly, you know, the kind of confidence is a viewer Clemson fan you want to hear from your coach keeping it real. Was it Vizina is the new quarterback and he's, they didn't really find anybody that was an upgrade over him in the portal and club Nick. You know, he was solid, rarely spectacular, you know, for the club. We looked it up. The buyout for dabble, it's down from 60 to 57 million. But I guess I presume Jimmy Sexton was his guy like all the other coaches. The buyout for dabble is $57 million every year.

27:57Remember until it's over in 2031. He was one of the first, I mean, he signed that deal. What six years ago, I think it was after the first or second national championship. Mike, whenever that was, it's been some time now, but that's crazy. Right. That's he's locked in there. Even if he has another bad season, I don't think they're going to spend the money to get him out of there. And then we're talking college because that was something that I got into. Let's see what Mike Norvelle's buyout. Is it Florida state? Ironically, Carl, after one of our worst years in recent history are the royal are the boosters have kicked in more money for Florida state last year than they have the last five. What is that for? A buyout. It's not transferring into player getting signed in the transfer portal. People just want to have this money to get rid of the the ledic director and the head coach and fell swoop. Yeah, they didn't allow the spending that you would think on players because they wanted to make sure that money was there, right? Yeah, apparently they're 28 to the portal. So the money's not directly getting to some of these guys. You think what either way the ACC's only shining hope right now is either Brent Key would tech. You could argue Virginia, maybe a fine outlier, but Miami Miami is the thing right now because Christopher balls built the machine. All right guys, it's crazy.

29:02We got plenty more college football, but it's front and center. We're going to talk about some of these big games coming up as we lead into what it's going to be. I think an incredible weekend. Our buddy Conor Riley from Galgneac is going to stop by as well. Kirby talking about the hot outside. Yesterday and look, it's going to be, but he's getting his guys ready for it. And I think there's something to this. If you're in that indoor facility, all camp, you're not helping yourself. And Kirby knows that. So we'll get into that with Conor Riley. As we talk about what else is going on, plenty more on the Falcons guys as we continue this conversation. Now it is countdown to the Steelers. Seriously, we can forget about the free season stuff. The roster is what it is. What is this going to look like? And now we can seriously start counting down to the start of the season. But Mike, one thing we have to address and Aaron Turner is a very good agent. He's Jonathan Camingas agent, but he's wrong about this because if he was right, he'd still be here. It was a team option that they chose not to pick up. And then it took forever for him to find traction. Now I think he actually ended up in a really good spot.

30:07But to say this was a little bit over the top. JK got shipped to Atlanta. Okay. And there's a lot of talk about Jonathan Camingas winning impact in the players. He was their best player from the moment he showed up in terms of winning impact. Now I will say this. You could argue CJ McCollum has something to do in those two wins against the next, but Caminga did give you a spark. I mean, I don't deny that, but his agent's nuts because you know, you're not there without jailing Johnson's amazing season, but Caminga didn't get into the flow of the offense in the losses. And then again, that's why they barked at the 24.3 option. Yes. And look, nobody played great in the next series. We know that we stole a couple, but nobody played great. But if you look at the totality of the season, you're right. I mean, nah, most improved player, right? I mean, you talk about Jalen, all star. I know. I'm not balling out for team Canada right now. Oh, I know him and and door. They're both playing well. But I just think like that. That's a, that's an overstatement right there. He did come in and help us. Mike's right, but he wasn't what you thought. That's why he's not here. And so this idea five to assist in 22 minutes. That was his average.

31:15Again, it was the late star. It's remember it took him a couple of weeks. He wasn't on the court. No, but he did help you in the two wins against the next. But he also is a guy is a reason he was a liability is a reason the Warriors and Steve Kerb who's on from Mb. He doesn't get in the flow and the half court. He can play above the rim. He can give you. He can go here all ball. Yeah, but he doesn't play in and the team constant. No doubt. All right. 4047260929. And no, I won't let it go. Well, you didn't you didn't you were Luke Warman in from the job. I was. I look. I just sometimes it just when you hear things around the league. And I bring that to you guys. Some of you guys just feel like, I'm full of crap. I'm not pulling out of my butt. I'm talking to folks who know and when it plays out this way and you go, Oh, understand what I didn't keep him. This is why I was telling you either way. He was not the best player. But I do think to Mike's point the fact that Lou Dort and not playing the way they are. It's for team Canada. I believe it is. Right. It gives me Mike. Remember because one thing we made the Lou Dort trade trade. A lot of people say, where's the offense going to come from? Right.

32:16We're going to be able to score in the half court. This task is core. They're certainly in an international competition a little bit different than the NBA. But yeah, I mean, can you get us to the playoffs? John, like we need some offense. Okay. We certainly one thing about Caminga. He did give you some stuff above the rim, but the asking price. I thought it was too much and everything we just discussed. But do you have enough with Jalen Johnson? CJ McCollum on a sort of a gap year is it worth for him? And how much of the and by the way, Snyder going to play the rookies in the regular season. I mean, seriously, we got some guys. We got some athletes. Snyder going to be the time honored hawks tradition of the rookies being stuck on the bench. From Mike Woodson to take your coach everybody. Everybody who's coach the Hawks is I've been in Atlanta feels that way. Right. With exception, maybe of who was it? The old Florida. They don't play the young guys. So I hope we're going to play him because I want to see these guys this year. Yeah, are you talking about the college coach? What's his name? Yeah, I'm playing. Yeah, because he went to UNLV. He was he was in a bunch of places. He's actually really good, but I can't think of his name either.

33:21I gave it to me. I got the interwrap. I'll get it. But but you're right. That's kind of been the philosophy. The thing that you know, the hawks are preaching is this development thing. Right. I mean, we're young. We're going to continue to develop guys will get better. We've seen that happen with Dyson. We saw it happen with Nah. And that's kind of what they're screaming. It was Lon Krueger. Thank you. Thank you. I could do a good Lon Krueger impression. Of course, you got fire, but you need to put the ball in the basket. But anyway, so that's that was a dude that would play the young guys. Yeah. But if you go back. You came from college today, but you go back over there's Bud wooden play the star. I wouldn't play the young guys. No, I mean, let's be honest guys. I mean, Lenny wouldn't play the young guys. I got his superstars. This is the way it was over there. Woodson Woodson. Woodson Woodson. Nobody would not play the young guys. Nope. You're absolutely right. Hey, man. It's Duke's and Bell. You can find us on social media. He is a T L Bell 929. I'm at put him up. See, Duke's and follow the radio show with Duke's and Bell 929. And of course, you can follow this radio station and 929 a game. Stay up on everything that's going on in the world of sports coming up by the way in the three o'clock hour. There are more moves around the NFL and everybody's already all in on these guys. Tom, other Rams. We got to dive into this because I remember a few years ago. I think it may have been the Eagles. And this is before they got Jalen Hertz and all the stuff they have now.

34:33But at one point, they built a super team and everybody was going crazy about the moves they made and they didn't do anything. So we'll get into that. Talk more about the Falcons as well. And Alex and Thopolis, Mike, if you missed our interview with him yesterday. We want to replay it for you around three 20 today. And we just thought it was very insightful. Because I think the Kim question you asked him specifically about, you know, what's the deal? And I followed up was like, OK, it's so it's not money because we kept saying, obviously they just don't want to take it in the shorts. And Alex's point was, guys, the money spent. We're looking at these other things and how he fits into our team. So for anybody that's been with them, they're not they're not moving off from Kim. They're he will be here into the end of this season. And then we'll see what they do at those positions, Mike, because I do think there'll be some adjustments in the off season. Look, the the roster is starting to come into shape. I know that I've killed Murphy over the years. I just don't think over the course of his career. He's lived up to the trade. And I think most every braids family rather have controversy. There's a D.H. or a catcher here. But he is batting just a tick under 800 for his OPS for the month of August. And he's starting to knock in some runs slowly but surely. And he's contributing. He is contributing. So in last night, look, just to kind of put a cap on the braves real quick. He was ugly game. I mean, seven, three. You can't just

35:51think you've mentioned it in elder. We talked a little about this on our pre show. You know, five earned runs on eight hits, two home runs, walked three, struck out three. It was five and a third. But that's not the kind of performance is going to set you up for success. And I think, you know, this is what we've said. It's been up and down. That has been more good than bad with price elder. No doubt about that this season. But yesterday was just kind of a reminder. Okay. One get that's game three guys think about this. That's game three in the series. How are you feeling? Because that's what it's going to look like. I think it's going to be sale, Malley. And then you're going with elder, right? And Alex also said you'll hear the full interview at three 20. We're going to try to go with the best guy. Well, we got 30 days to figure that out. Well, right now is I think everybody says right now listening is going to be, you know, sale and then Malley and price elder. I think to your point earlier. It was just one of those games that you know, elder got to keep the ball in the ballpark. And you know, you get into the six inning. And you're just like, Oh boy. And then the bullpen last night was not great. But they've been so good. This was an off night for the pen. Yeah. It really was.

36:51All right, man, we got plenty more to dive into here on a Tuesday. Also, as we talk about the Falcons, there are some other roster situations that we're talking about. And I know everybody's wondering about these quarterbacks. I'm going to give you a what if scenario with these four quarterbacks that we have coming up here on the show. All right. Also want to tell you. Football's here. I just told you guys big weekend. And you can listen right here on sports radio 92 9 the game. We've got you covered all weekend. We're your home for college football coverage. Join us Saturday. 8 a.m. is Mitch Evans and Abe Gordon set the stage for all the big days big games that day all weekend long. It's college football game time. It's brought to you by Ingalls low prices. Love the savings and my window nation. Wind donation. Coma call 8660. That's all this Saturday starting at 8 a.m. on sports radio 92 9 the game. Yeah, man, the roster was I was talking our boss. My content today. And I said, you know, there is a passion for this team. We have no idea what's going to happen up in Pittsburgh. But I got to be honest and I can't remember more fan focus on the roster moves.

37:51And the cuts that we saw in the last 48 hours with the Falcons. I mean, guys banging the drum for Zach Harrison like he was Reggie White, you know, or Vita. V. But no, they people are passionate about it. We'll get into it because there are still some curious moves and maybe more to be made. And are we really going to carry four quarterbacks to your point. All season long. Stay there. It's Duke's and Bill on sports radio 92 9 the game.