Hugh Douglas: Phillies need to win World Series before MLB Lockout

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Mike wasn't on, I was talking for a while. Welcome back, Medesha. I was going to say none.

Well, you could have helped me. Well, I was like, wait a minute, I thought someone was from

my ears and I'm like, no, it's Mike ain't no. Well, I mean, listen, what's in

why you do that? But like for a second, I went through the whole open and Mike wasn't on.

It's fair because we let Hugh drown when he's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's that's who's

get. I guess eventually when I said, here, what do you think of this? The music should play.

I've just played it off like everyone knows it happened. It's okay. We can't play that stuff.

I mean, you know, I don't, you know, don't take myself too seriously. You know, when you get in trouble,

when you take yourself way. Well, that is true. That does not, that seemingly isn't a problem on

this show. Those, those, they'll find it funny without trying to say, well, he doesn't articulate

stuff. Well, man, gone with yourself, man, you still here. You still, it ain't stop you from

listening. It ain't stop you from critiquing my nuts, critiquing and nutsiation.

Don't with that, man, you just mad because you ain't here or something. First up, we got crap

peck, peck point. We, we, we big on the nutsation all the time. We don't do that. Where do they

do that? What are we big on in this show? We are big on the truth and nothing but the truth.

And on a high level. And we don't mind. You're a big on vibrate blocking folks that talk crazy.

We, we, we, we blocking people. Oh, he was blocking the tumble. Like hanging up. We hang up on people,

bottom down. Well, you, well, you, you, you hung up on like everyone when you got control of the

board over there. Is it disaster? I am not a bully. I like how now everybody want to try to

cheat me like I'm a bully on the, on the mic. I'm not a bully. I think you're a bully.

I let you. You can tell me anything. I hear, I hear it in the voice. People talk like I'm a

cut them up. I don't cut people out. You know, come on. They got it. They try to cheat me like

anything. You've gone soft on AJ. This is the opposite. I'm not soft. I understand AJ because I

was soft. This, this house that AJ is in. He built it himself. Yeah. But I just feel like it's

not, we're, we've gone too far into it's all AJ fall bag. That's what I think. I don't think

it's all of that. I think we went too far into that. That's all. Yeah. You ever hear the,

the people who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones? That's AJ. I've heard that.

We had the scorpion. No, I get it. It's in my nature and, you know, smiling at the

pictures. But I, I just find it. And I find it. Even though I'm arguing the other side,

this is why I love and respect the fans because they are so petty, Joe, y'all so petty,

y'all don't even hear how petty you are when you talk. I don't consider it petty. I don't

want them to be happy. How am I being petty? Why are you mad at AJ? Because he winked.

He's winking and not into patriots. It's, it's totally disrespect for the Eagles. I mean,

but I like how nobody understands how silly and ridiculous that's not why you manage it. He

winked. Hold on. Hold on. It's not silly and ridiculous. No, it is. But it's, it's fun. It's,

well, but it's, but if you think about it, it's silly and ridiculous. Hold on. Hold on.

But your whole premise of your mad is somebody because he winked. Let's unpack this for a second.

Were we not mad at Price Harper for simply wearing the colors of the other team? Imagine if

we found out the price of a pack. Imagine if we found out Price Harper was a Metz fan and he winked

at the Metz about playing for that. We would freak out. I am not, I am not trying to make, I just

love it. That's, that's the level of our fandom. It's ridiculous. Yeah. And, and we choose,

this is what I, you know what I love about being here back in Philadelphia? Is we choose when

to be rationed out, rational, or we choose our rational as we see fit. I am completely rational

in that I don't want AJ to be happy. And I wanted to go to a team that's, and I love it.

And the fact that you said it there with a straight face. That's what I, that's what I, that's what I,

that's what I love about being here. I did not want him to be happy because he winked. Here's

what I need. Here is what I need. I need him to lose the divorce. You, you can't have the dog

and you're for damn show. Okay. Have the couch. Oh, there's no way he's getting the dog. There's no

way to get the dog. And you see that glass over there that you were, I am taking that too. Yeah,

you can get nothing and like it. That's what I'm talking about. Oh, that pattyness. That's what I'm

talking about. Well, it's, it's awesome. I don't think it's patty. I just think this is the way it's

the way it has to be. I think, I think AJ, see, and this is probably why I'm, I'm in the camp that I

mean because AJ is a, he's a, he's a patchy little child. No question about that. No question about

that. He's a patchy little child. But I feel like we can make this work with him here because

there was a lot wrong with this team. And even the quarterback is to blame, even though y'all don't

want to hear it. The quarterback has to rip in hurts again. And we are back because I'm going to get

my resting piece to Kim Bay, my tumble on, y'all coming at me two crazy. I block you at a heart

because I'm going on 30, well, 60 days. No beef. I ain't having no beef. I ain't got no beef with

nobody. I'm just going to 60 feels exaggerated. It's been like 72. I can't fall. I'm

going to say we can't dig out. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go for now. Let's go. When you come

maybe with that craziness, I'm going to say rip free. We will fact check you on this. I told you

when you get to 100 days beef for free, we're bringing in a cake for celebrating three beef. We're

bringing a beef cake for you. Beef cake. That sounds weird. Beef cake sounds. 100 days. No beef

for Douglas. All right. 2155. I play with guys. 90. Let's take a phone call and then

it's Friday. We don't we don't keep this. We're going to try to keep this show on the

rail. Keep it on the rails. 15 minutes ago, you were about to ask me why he was in jail.

I don't you want to know? Like with somebody tells you why just like seriously.

No, if I say it peaks by curiosity, I was wondering, but I wasn't thinking about asking him.

Just for just for the sake of his argument, if I say, hey, I went to jail. Just if you just met me

and I say I went to jail, that's your first quote. In my head, I'm like, I wonder what he did.

I wonder exactly. Yeah, but it's not my business, but you don't ask him.

Yeah, but it's not my business, but I still was wondering. Well, there is a difference between

I'm going to work with you. I want to know why you went to jail versus just the phone call.

No, I want you to. Yeah, like what you do. We're going to be all right here because there's

something like, you know, there's so many things you go to jail for, but I was like, I was just kind

of curious. Yeah, I am sorry to come through your tweets to see when that last beef was.

I haven't had beef in a while. All right. Let's go to the phone lines here and then

a couple things from our trip to Clearwater that kind of have been in our heads we're thinking

about and really what they mean, moving forward for the Phil's first Steven Brixton up on WIP.

Hey, Steve, you know, he was up guys. Steve, what's up, buddy?

You did you get the iguana when you're down to Clearwater? Did I get to know I didn't? We did not

do the iguana. Well, I didn't see any iguana on the menus. Now, we would have ordered it.

I don't know if you would aid it, but we would have absolutely ordered it if it was there.

Oh, yeah. I told Kyle the shirt you're into mail room.

Oh, our shirts are here. Oh, we're going to next break. We're going to grab you, Steve.

That's awesome. Right before you let they got there right after you left.

All right. Well, listen, we're going to wear them and it starts with Texas. We all know that.

He would the season start if you updated the notebook. It starts with Texas.

Yes, he does. Less than three weeks away.

It's two weeks away. It's two weeks away. It's two weeks away.

Uh, 20 days, spring, spring, 20 days. That's about the same time spring starting.

One day, one day, one day, one, I got a clock smooth forward on us.

Oh, we got to push the clock. Oh, that's terrible.

Daylight savings. Oh, sorry, Steve.

I got two things on the eagles and then the fillies.

Um, eagles, uh, I think brown needs to stay.

I think they just need to run it back one more time with the new coordinator.

See what man you can do with the office.

And if they just not happy by the deadline and kick rocks and he can go.

I do like the kick rocks thing. Kick rock.

We need to use that phrase more, Steve, because I'm close to telling them just to kick rocks to kick rocks.

Yeah, just enough. All right. Steve, what else are you thinking?

Um, fillies, you know, uh,

I'm being very optimistic. I, I've been preaching it.

I think they can still win 95, 96 games, win the East and determine the Dodgers.

And the NLCS to say they spoke for 2027.

Ooh, the team that saves the sport from the lockout.

And how did it go save?

Well, if the Dodgers don't win, maybe it's less likely we get the Dodgers three feet.

You know, it's kind of like the push to, hey, we got to change the whole sport here.

The Dodgers, the Dodgers janked themselves when they said,

oh, we're going to go three feet.

Then my home say the same thing and then they got stomped in the Super Bowl.

You did? Yeah, they talked about that.

I think they trademarked three feet.

Yeah, uh, failed big times.

Well, they got a barris. That's a ball, Steve, for sure.

R.C., if you got something funny for us to make us laugh like T-Mac?

I got, I got a couple.

Okay, um, the scene from stepbrothers when they make the bunk beds.

And that's, that's okay.

I don't know if you ever saw the Wolf of Wall Street

where the scene where the carper is sleeping.

And then on Marco Robbie walks in like, who the happens?

Venice. Who's Venice?

Who? Who for you?

So I haven't seen the move.

But I've said, I think I've seen that clip.

You've never seen Wolf of Wall Street?

No, but I've definitely seen stepbrothers.

I have to say in a while, I need to, I need to, I need to reload it.

But it was a pretty good movie, man.

It was wild.

Steve, good fall call, man.

We appreciate our sister.

Steve Brown have the fills there.

And his expectation, they can still one in 95 games.

And maybe to throw me.

Yeah, when the world series though.

What's that?

They got to win the world series this year.

World series of busts, says you Douglas?

Yeah, well, I know I'm a little bit premature,

but you know, you were going to ask about, you know,

what was your thoughts from Clearwater?

Yeah, well, they're good.

Before we play the audio, now that we, you know,

we were there, we got to talk to a lot of people,

kind of take it all in.

What are you feeling?

Now they're back.

I feel like they want to try to win the world series

before the lockout.

I feel like that the pressure's on.

Because here's the reality of it.

And a lot of the guys alluded to the fact that you're a little bit older.

You're a good baseball team.

Everybody that we talk to,

talked about how good they are, and that's not a lie.

But they also mentioned that they're not getting any younger.

So I feel like with all of that being said,

and this is me recklessly speculating

that they feel like this has to be the year,

because next year's not promised.

When you talk, when everybody that we talk to

feels they're trying to be optimistic,

but the reality of the situation is,

we might not have baseball next year.

I thought it was telling how they didn't,

they didn't beat around that push at all.

Like, yeah, no, because if the owners have taken a hard line in the fact,

like you go back to when Bryce Harper swung on the commissioner,

that's not quite.

And I was from out in the locker room.

That had lines.

Good ahead.

The way the way that was support.

It's Bryce Harper choked out rock band.

It's not bad.

Okay, none of that happened to people.

Getting our players back and start telling people that that happened.

Before we go, my favorite thing is he says something,

then says, please don't write this, I didn't say it.

No, no, it didn't happen that way.

That's the way that I perceived it to happen.

Okay, I got you.

You know, it didn't happen.

Yeah, I perceived the choking out,

told him to get out my locker room and then kick them in his butt.

Come on, big guy.

Say, get out here and don't you ever come back in this

golf business.

It's about six, six nine.

Yeah, he boxed him.

Did you see the photo, but now I'm taking us off the road.

Did you see the photo of Bryce next to Aaron Judge

at the World Baseball Classic?

No, I did not.

You got to show it to me.

There's about seven foot.

No, Aaron for real.

Seven foot.

I think Judge is six, seven listed.

He's for real for you tall, right?

Bryce looks like a shrimp next to him.

You know, the whole thing of Bryce being six, six is dead.

Yeah, anyway, that means that,

you're just like seven, five.

Oh, yeah, that's that.

There's you, there's you, there's you, there's you, there's you, there's you.

Make it always.

Anyway, you're taken on that they all know they got to win the world.

Yeah, they got to win.

It feels like this is like,

this is the year you got to get it done because after this May,

everybody going to be a little longer than two.

You're going to start getting them gray hairs after a while and be like,

yeah, it's some of those guys getting those crazy sounds.

Yeah, yeah, man, by trying to wrap this thing up.

So a lot hit me from our trip.

I do, I do get the sense that they really believe they're this close

to win the world series.

We're going to play something that they kind of reaffirmed that.

But in terms of feeling better and kind of looking forward

to what the season is going to be,

Hugh, I was, I was really encouraged by when we talked to Zach Wheeler,

how he described where he's at.

And he, look, he's understated.

He's, he's very calm.

I mean, even if he wasn't in great states,

I don't think he's going to panic about it.

He seems like the right kind of person to go through a,

a big procedure and come back from it.

But he, he was talking about the procedure he had.

And he compared it to there's three different kinds of surgeries

for what he had.

And the way he described it made me feel like, all right,

he has a chance to come back just the way it was.

He was Wheeler with us yesterday.

Well, there's different, there's three different kinds of the TOS,

which I didn't know before.

There's the Venus, the,

and the nerve one, and then something else, I forget.

And the artery one, I think it is, or something, I don't know.

But there's three of them.

I didn't even know that.

And I guess the, the nerve ones, the hardest one that guys have had

coming back from, you know, the, the Strasbourg,

I think it was and Harvey and a couple other guys.

Kelly and myself have had the, the Venus one.

And that seems to be a little easier to come back from

for whatever reason.

So, you know, that was good when I heard about that.

But going to your point when, you know,

guys have reached out to me, the handful of guys actually.

And, you know, I appreciate it.

And you love that from fellow players around the league.

Hugh, when he said Merrick Kelly,

now, Merrick, look, there's not a huge sample of pictures

that have had that surgery that Zach Wheeler did.

But when he mentioned Merrick Kelly, it made me feel better about it.

Because Kelly is one that has come back

and been exactly what he was before, right?

He's a good picture.

He was a good picture when he came back.

Some of the other guys that had a different type of the same

or similar surgery.

Not that I didn't have that great a, great a recovery.

Some of them didn't even ever really make it back.

I mean, Strasbourg's career ended.

Matt Harvey was never the same.

You know, a lot of guys went down that path unfortunately.

But when he mentioned Merrick Kelly,

Hugh, that gave me, I now have a hope

that we could see the regular Zach Wheeler

that we've known for the past five or six years

whenever he returns, right?

Is that May?

Is it, I don't know, May 15th, May 1st?

I guess when it happened last August,

my thought was we may never see that guy again.

Now, I'm getting the hope that we can see the same Zach Wheeler soon.

That's a big deal.

That is.

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And he's certain milestones on himself.

Just kind of going out there working hard every day

and just letting the game develop as it develops.

Right.

And I think that's probably the best they do

because even when we asked him about it,

they gave him a timeline,

but he didn't want to share

because he was like, he didn't feel like

it was necessary, whatever, whatever he said.

And that's where he is.

But I feel good about where he feels he's at right now.

He does seem into being great spirits

and thinks he could be that guy again.

So that's good to hear.

Now, the other thing that caught my attention,

it's one of those things where when I heard it at first,

it didn't hit me and then I kept hearing it

and it got a lot of reaction

on all the shows yesterday on WIP were playing it.

When J.T. Ramluto was talking to us,

we were talking about the ABS system

and what it could do

and then kind of spun it to last year in the postseason

because when I think of how the ABS system

could change the game,

I think of game four Dodger's Phillies last October

when it was obvious that Christopher Sanchez had a strike

and they called it a ball

and it changed the entire game.

And then J.T. relayed this story to us

about what happened as soon as that call went the wrong way.

I think back to the pitch to Sanchez

through in the seventh inning of game four.

I mean, you had a feel, that was a strike.

Yeah, I mean, the umpire told me

right after he balled that it was a strike.

You know, he admitted to missing it right away.

So that's the type of stuff where it's just like

that every play there was,

every game there was one play that changes the whole game

and that's what happens when you put two teams

of that high quality together,

but also looking back that just lets us know just,

I mean, we're that good.

We're right there to be able to beat the Dodgers

and hopefully win the World Series at some point.

We just have to make the plays when they matter to do it.

Here, there's two takeaways from that.

One, it really, it like hits you in the gut

when it tells you that he tells you the umpire told him right away.

Bit like my bad.

That is not helping me out in this situation.

How would you feel?

Let's just, let's spin it to you, right?

Like, let's say it's a huge play in an NFC championship game

and you're rushing the quarterback

and you get held.

They don't call it quarterback completes the pass

because you can't get to them.

They, the other team wins the game

and then right away, the referee's like,

yeah, yeah, I should have called it.

How would you feel?

You feel bad, but you got to,

in that moment, Joe, you got to keep going.

You know what I'm saying?

It's one of those things where you're like, damn, ref, damn.

But you got to keep going because there's still some game,

the game is left to be played.

As it was.

You want them to tell us.

So you can't, you know, you can't dwell on it,

but to hear that in that moment

and for him to tell you my bad,

it's like seriously, that's what you get paid to do.

You get paid to call the game the right way.

So yeah, that doesn't make you feel anybody.

And it's one thing if it was the third inning, right?

Like there's, umpire's ref's miss calls.

That's, that's just human nature.

It's one thing if you say, oh, I missed that one

and it's the third inning and nobody's on base.

In that moment to then say it right away,

I actually, I feel like the umpire should have just not said

anything.

You made it worse by telling JT I got it wrong.

Like, you should make everyone feel terrible.

So that was one side of my brain thinking that the other thing

though is you could feel when he gave that answer,

they think they're right there with the Dodgers.

They think eight, no, no.

He was also mentioning things in place.

They didn't make, but he was mentioning that call.

Some moments in the series that they just,

it just went the other way.

He would, they believe they're right there.

Well, they were, they believed they were last year.

They were.

You know, could that have changed this off season

with what the Dodgers did and what we didn't?

I don't know.

I mean, I think that's the way they think.

Yeah.

I want them to go into this season thinking

they have a shot at the world series.

Well, I mean, of course, I want that.

So I, I mean, it would be much worse if they, if they can't

go into this doing the what was me attitude?

Like, well, what are we going to do?

How are we going to deal with the Patrick?

No, I think, I think what I got from the trip

and just looking at the guys list to a mortality,

like, especially to you, not so much from Crawford,

because he's a young guy.

Sure.

He's just, no, no, no, no, no.

Especially to you, not so much from Crawford,

because he's a young guy.

Sure, he's just, nothing.

But, but, but, you know, Zach and JT, happy to be here,

happy to be healthy, but reflecting like on your career,

reflecting on where it's potentially go,

because a lockout hurts everybody.

Like, that's a year lost.

That's a year, that's a whole year lost.

And the way that it sounds is like, it's not going to be,

it's going to be a year.

You know what that Wheeler thing feels like to me?

And I'm going to sound like Colin Browski again.

Oh, no, here we go.

It makes me feel like it's an offseason edition.

What do you mean?

We didn't have Zach Wheeler on the playoffs last year.

We did not.

And that would have changed that series.

Now pitching plan would have changed.

And if I'm to believe what he says,

that like, he, it sounded to me like he believes

and he can be, will be, the old Zach Wheeler.

And it's like we just added that player in the offseason,

because we didn't have him at the end of the year.

Well, that's a big deal.

And everything changes for the pitching plan.

I mean, everything changes with the way they,

that would have been Wheeler on the mound in game four.

And then you have Sanchez for a potential game five

back here if they got here.

It could change the entire complexion of this pitching staff.

Now, by the way, Hugh, you mentioning a potential lockout, right?

And what that can mean for their mortality, for their chances.

So I'm going to give you the ages of some of the guys on this team

when 2028 arrives, okay?

Because obviously we're in 26 now.

27 is, it feels up in the air just the way all those guys talked.

Yeah.

Here are they going to be the ages of the Phillies core players

when we get to 2028.

So the year after, whatever this labor dispute is going to be.

JT will be 37.

Bryce will be 35.

Trey will be 35.

Schwarber will be 35.

I mean, that's, that is extremely old for a baseball team.

By the time we get to 28, Wheeler will be 38.

No, there will be 35.

Well, that's a very old two, two years from now.

Are they older than the Dodgers?

I think that's pretty, I think that's older than Dodgers.

Maybe, well, I mean, Otoni in, around 30, 31.

I'm just saying, like, they're all going to be 35 and above 30 years.

I think so.

38.

I think so.

38.

But, but Otoni kind of tips the scale.

Yeah.

He says that good.

All right.

215, 59294.

David in Westchester up on WIP.

Hey, David.

Hey, Joe.

In two years, the Phillies can play with me and see your softball.

Yeah.

I'm going to begin close, David.

That is for sure.

They are, man.

You know what?

They're welcome on my team even though I hate them right now.

So, it's all good.

Okay.

So, let's go with Petty.

You still there?

Oh, yeah.

We're listening.

Oh, God.

I was like, yeah, that's very quiet.

Oh, we got you.

We got you.

We got you.

Wow.

You go here.

You're never locked in.

Go.

Yeah.

So, let's go, Petty.

As far as what you're saying, Joe.

As far as what you're saying, Joe.

You're, it's an actual definition of Petty, what you're saying.

So, you are Petty.

There is a Petty streak in you.

It's there.

I just, I bury it most times.

But the AJ thing has me.

Just annoyed.

Yeah.

And I agree with you.

Send him to the worst team you can find.

And I would even go so far.

Take the absolute, whatever deal you can get to send him to that worst team.

Because he was already traded up once.

When he left Tennessee and came to Philadelphia, he was traded up.

He got what he wanted.

And, you know, and he was rewarded with, you know, fans loving.

I still loving.

And, you know, but if he's got to go, he's got to go.

But, you know, you don't reward that behavior, you know.

So, so send him to the worst team.

Take, take whatever deal you can get.

And then make sure you get Max Grouse because you definitely need that guy.

And a one in Nolan Smith is, I mean, that's almost like heaven sent to get a deal like that going.

I'm going to get a player that has been this productive.

I agree.

And Max Grouse be here playing on this defensive line with these guys.

He would be unreal.

Yeah.

I mean, it would be.

And it's an instant upgrade from anything you got now.

And from any draft that you're going to get, it's better than any, you know,

any first round picker will get.

So, so I think you got to like, you definitely got to pull a trigger on that.

I'm trying, but I got scouting hat Douglas over here who wants to drink.

He wants to draft everybody.

I want to draft because I know there's, you know, control and, you know,

everybody we're talking about at one point was drafted and probably, you know,

outperform what they thought they were going to be.

So, I mean, I'm more willing to take that chance in the draft as opposed to getting a guy that,

that's a little bit longer than a tooth.

And you don't know, you know, how long he's going to play at a high level.

Not saying that was not.

He's going to play at a high level.

Yeah.

I mean, happens to everybody.

Happens to everybody like that plays game.

Yeah, it happened to me as well.

I called it.

I called it.

He put it down.

All right, David.

What do you got for us?

Something to make us laugh like T Mac.

Okay.

Is Hugh sitting to the left of you or to the right of you?

He's to my right.

Okay.

So, just, I want you and don't, don't stir the beast here.

I just want you to casually look right and look at those short little T rex arms.

And it should make it laugh.

Hugh's short arm is making us laugh like T Mac.

I ain't got the shortest arms.

Somebody in the draft had short arms in mind.

Yeah.

So, we found, I wasn't even in the top five of the shortest arm.

I did find it.

We searched Hugh's like a combine results recently just to kind of see what they were.

Yeah.

His arms are probably shorter than maybe your typical defensive end, but they're not and

David good phone call.

Hugh, we were surprised.

They weren't as short.

Yeah.

They weren't like super, super short.

Who's the guy?

Is it Ruben Bain in this year's draft?

Yeah.

That's the Miami.

Yeah.

Apparently he has like real T rex arms.

Yeah.

Real short arms.

Real short.

But he gets after you don't.

You could fall on the draft because of those T rex arms.

All right.

Two, one, five, five, nine, two, ninety, four, nine.

You could react to the Philly stuff with us.

You're takeaways from last couple of days of us down in Clearwater, what Zach really

said about his progress.

And when you heard JT talk about the Dodgers series and you heard them talk about how

close they were, the blown call, how did that hit you?

Because I think there's two parts of your mind, like one like yeah, they were that close.

Little things changed it.

But the other side of it is like my goodness gracious.

Did that ump really tell him he blew that call in the moment?

That was, that's the crazy part.

That he said it.

He said it.

I admit that in the moment.

All right.

Your phone calls on all this.

AJ Brown.

I want to be petty.

I don't want to let him get his way and get to New England.

We also have an update on the timeline of the AJ Brown discussions from Diana Rossini.

It does sound you like everyone in the NFL is in on our LaBeck Finn bet.

When we're going to get a resolution on this, we'll tell you about that next plus.

What is the market value for one of the Eagles big free agents is it worth it.

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