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out of the Bahamas. He's not missing. His wife is a Lynette Hooker has been missing since April

4th, which is a Saturday. We're going to be coming up on the two week mark this Saturday.

And while she is still missing, presumably at sea, although some people question that her family,

namely her daughter, she is in the Bahamas looking for her mother. So what on earth is going on

with this guy Brian Hooker? Welcome to the global phenomenon surviving the survivor where we bring

you the best guests in all of true crime. Here's your host, Emmy award winning journalist Joel Walton.

What's up SDS nation welcome to surviving the survivor. This is the global phenomenon bringing you

the very best guests in all of true crime. And as I said, it was April 4th. Brian and Lynette Hooker,

a married couple for 25 years, they're out on a dinghy and suddenly she apparently,

according to her husband, goes overboard. He loses sight of her. She is still missing.

He paddled for hours. I mean, we're talking like seven, eight hours to get to land in a very

circuitous route. A lot of people wondering about his side of the story. He said, I drifted. He

literally said that for the next seven hours. Police did confirm that there were strong currents

that could have carried Lynette Hooker away. But again, not everyone buying the story here to break

down an OG panel of three on this Wednesday starting off with the godfather of true crime.

Las Vegas homicide detective retired three time officer of the year. The guy infiltrated the

Cuban mob homicide detective for 15 plus years. He shot at he's at two pox, she cores,

autopsy. Do you guys say two pack or two pox? I never know how to say two pack or two pox. So

we will debate that as well. Next up, friend of mine. And he is the host of the ever popular court

room confidential. He's even wearing the shirt. He is also a criminal defense attorney. He does

it all and a former LA prosecutor of the year, dad of the year, and also husband of the year as well.

So and also best hair of the year in contention with Tim Jansen. Last, but certainly not least,

he is Doug McRagger. He is our Canadian friend in the North who assures me that they two pay taxes

like us here in America on tax day. Doug McRagger better known as the geo profiler. You go missing.

You want Doug McRagger on the case. I'm in a bit of a mood tonight as you can tell. I don't know why.

I just am, but Phil Ramos, you've got the gut instinct for these things. Here's a married couple,

25 years. They go out. They are both known to drink to excess, particularly he Brian Hooker.

They're on this dinghy back on April 4th, you know, basically a week and a half, almost two weeks ago.

She, he says, just dumps over, falls into the water with the key to the dinghy somehow.

And he paddles in a very odd route. See, oh, yeah, I don't know if you're still there.

You can just pop up that map. I would love to show Phil the map. But he ends up paddling for seven,

eight hours. Listen, this could be, yeah, so he, they fall out where that red dot is, I think.

And instead of going back, the red dot on land is where the restaurant is. So Phil, instead of

going back to the red dot on land, which seems to be the shortest route back, this guy goes

all the way across this bay here. What is your gut instinct on this, Phil Ramos?

And there's so many red flags on this one. You know, the first thing you're going to do, if we're

buying his story and I don't think very many people are, is that you see your wife go overboard.

Number one, why don't you jump in to help her? Number two, if you can't jump in, are you not

able to swim and you don't have enough confidence in yourself to grab hold of her and pull yourself

back to the dinghy? That's small of a dinghy. I've had a couple of dinghy's that size and it's

almost impossible to get in from the water without help. So why he crossed that bay at night when it's

dark and when it's dark out in the ocean, it's dark, man. You can't see anything. So, you know,

I heard him say that once she went over, he lost sight of her because he couldn't see you,

that's going to be accurate. You know, I'm a boater myself and when it's dark and the moon's not

out bouncing off of the water, it's difficult. So that one of many red flags that I see based on

what he's been saying. Now, Ramos, you live in a desert. You're not boating in the sand. Where are

you boating in Lake Mead? Where do you live? Yeah, it's only about half hour drive from where we live

on this part of town. I've been going after all my lag minutes. It's a great place to go boating and

fishing, but since this drought hit it so hard and the lake level is down over 100 feet in the

I have been out there. I'm always reading stories about bodies washing up in Lake Mead, but that's

nothing. Josh Ritter, you're the attorney on the panel and I know you've been covering this.

So legally speaking, this guy is detained not once, but twice. He's questioned for hours and there

was basically a limit on that that was reached last night or the night before I'm losing track of time

was Monday night and we were live on air and he was released. Talked us about, you know,

Bohemian law or American law. It sounds like they had probable cause to at least question him,

but why ultimately is he released out as a free person with his passport to get out of Dodge,

which is what he did. Yeah, well, I'm no expert on Bohemian law, but I do know that it's similar

enough to American law that what I'm about to tell you holds true and that that is that they

still have the same standards about probable cause and due process and how long you can hold

someone and you cannot hold somebody indefinitely if you don't feel that you have enough to bring

charges against him. So that's what we saw happen is they arrested him. I mean, they classified

it a little differently and tried to say that he wasn't a suspect. He was only being detained

for questioning. In America, we would call that an arrest. He was not free to go and he was being

questioned. What's also unclear is whether how much of that questioning was compulsory or not.

Like did he does he enjoy the same kind of fifth amendment rights that we do about keeping your

mouth shut in the Bahamas or was he kind of under under some sort of, you know, legal requirement

to answer questions. I'm not sure, but in any case, he did that. I know the answer to you.

Oh, you do. He apparently had you do have the right. It's not to fit the amendment, obviously,

but you do have the right to remain silent against self-incrimination from what?

Okay. So he could have kept quiet. He decided not to. He spoke with them interestingly enough.

He spoke with them without his attorney there because she was outside saying, I don't know why

this is taking so long. So he had this conversation with them and whatever they have at the end of

the day, they don't feel is enough to bring charges right now. So they had to let them go.

Doesn't mean that they can't continue to investigate. Doesn't mean that they can't bring charges

at a later time. And listen, you know, I agree with everything Phil was saying about he's not

behaving a lot of his story doesn't add up. None of this seems to make sense, but you're dealing

with a crime scene that's essentially the ocean, right? So it's not like you can rope that all off

and really collect a bunch of physical evidence from that area. They're dealing with what they've

what they've got or what they don't have. And the most important thing they don't have is her body.

To try to determine how did she in fact die? I agree. I think a lot of his story doesn't make

sense. It's highly suspicious. It's highly suspicious to me. Why is she wearing this, you know, key fob

that disables the boat if she's, you know, when he's usually the one driving the boat, the time

difference between her going off at 730 and him saying that he, you know, actually declares

her missing at 4 a.m. A lot of that. I'll tell you this too. Do we even have evidence she was

ever even on that boat? I mean, we're putting a lot of of and her apple. Yeah, her apple,

her apple watch was found on the sand on the beach, right? So we're putting a lot of value into the

idea that she ever even got on that boat or got on that boat alive to begin with. So lots of

questions ended the day though. If you can't prove it or you don't have enough that you feel like

you can bring charges, you've got to let that person go. Yeah. Josh real quickly just add on,

by the way, Josh is out of here in a half hour 740. So enjoy him while we have him the silver fox.

But what about America? Now he has, he has left for those just joining the real headline tonight

is after doing 73 million talk shows after being released from the Bami and Jail. This guy Brian

Hooker said he was sticking around no matter what to search for his wife. What do you know? Today,

the guy's on a plane. I'll show you boarding that plane him boarding that plane in a minute. And

he's flown off to Atlanta. I think to get back to Michigan. Can authorities in Michigan, if any

evidence is found, do anything there, Josh? Well, yes, interestingly, not the Michigan authorities,

the federal authorities could know if there's a, there's a avenue for federal jurisdiction for

a crime committed against US citizens, even if that's a broad. So if they wanted to, they could look

into this. I mean, another thing that could happen is that they could cooperate with authorities

in the Bahamas and try to extra-died him that would all have to do with whatever treaties and

everything we have that exists with them. I think a more likely scenario is if they feel that there

are murder charges and he's good for it, that the feds would likely charge him for that crime here.

But yeah, because they haven't brought charges, you also can't just say, well, we're letting you go

because we don't feel that we have enough to prove a case against you, but we're still going to

restrict your freedom in some way. We're not going to let you return. So they gotta let him return.

He's got a passport. He could hop on a plane this evening and fly somewhere that doesn't have

as convenient extradition laws. Who knows what he might have planned? Again, I feel bad because I

struggle with this case because I would feel awful if this man is completely innocent and he's

dealing with the tragedy of having lost his wife at sea and here we all are saying, you know,

how suspicious he is, but it is really suspicious and has a lot of questions and I don't know

where I fall on the whole thing. And if finger always points at the husband, I joke yesterday,

half jokingly, Don Adelson tried to high-tail it to Vietnam. I said, I'd be in Cambodia if on

this guy on the next flight, but Doug McRagger has not gotten a word in yet, the friendly Canadian

from Johnny Knoxville here. Did this guy commit the perfect crime, Doug? It's looking that way,

nobody, no charges. I mean, to Josh Witter's point, we've got to underscore the fact that this guy

has not been charged innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, even in the Bahamas.

Thank you, Rhonda. And no charges filed yet. Doug, what's your gut tell you about this?

Doug, I'm going to put this map back up for you because you're kind of the map guy. Doug Geopro

files using mapping and stuff. So first things first, your gut instinct here.

My gut instinct is it wasn't, it was likely foul play involved. It's my gut instinct for multiple

reasons. I will answer that question, perfect crime. And, you know, honestly, it's a good question.

My first post that I put on X about this case was he's probably going to go free because unless they

have, unless they have a body to figure out cause and manner of death, unless they have some kind of

digital evidence that shows that he was premeditating this and planning this and researching how to

do it. If they don't have any of this, he's walking free because accidents happen all the time in

the water and accidents that are far less, let's say suspicious than this, right? So for more

suspicious, I guess I should say people drown all the time in water. So taking somebody out in

water, dumping them off and just saying an accident happened, how are you going to prove it didn't?

Right? I guess it's a big one. But there are so many holes in his story, right? From the timeline

itself to his efforts. And I mean, Josh, Josh can comment better on this. But in the end,

if you have to convince a jury, right? It's not that you have to convince a jury of all these things.

I'm not a lawyer of any means, but there's the timeline that's in question. There's his whole

story about, okay, it's convenient that they paddled out. Josh mentioned she fell off with the key.

So he doesn't have the key to go after her, but he has a paddle, right? And she's going with the

current. So if you, if someone's drifting with the current and you have a paddle in an eight foot

dinghy and you're following them, you can go probably twice their speed. So you should be able to catch

up to them. So why can't what happened there, right? And then the whole question of, you know, where she,

where he ended up. And I think Phil mentioned that. You know, why didn't he just go back to the

nearest land source? Why did it? Why did it take to 4 a.m. to paddle and drift all the way across

to Marsh Harbor? Yeah, I mean, Doug, we're looking at this map. I mean, does this make any sense? It's

like he could have swam back to that elbow key, which is literally an elbows length away. Instead,

he goes the other way to Marsh Harbor. How does that make any sense? Well, exactly. And even if

he was, I mean, just from elbow key to hope town, you know, he could do that in probably a 10 to 20 minute

paddle, right? And, you know, you double that over to Marsh Harbor. So why does it take so long? And

and the last thing I'll throw in there about the perfect crime is now you have her apple watch.

You may be able to figure out when her heart stopped beating with that apple watch. So there's

just so many things here that when you're planning that type of crime, if that's what happened,

it's really tough to do. Yeah. I spoke to Darlene Hammett, aka the father of Linda. I spoke to

Linda's father today. And the COE separately spoke to Darlene, the mother, neither wanted to

go on camera. But I'll tell you what they said in just a second. But first, there's a comment

up here, Phil Ramos. He claims to have no passport. I had not heard this actually. As soon he can only

come home to the United States question. And if he did have it hidden from police at the search,

pretty sure we'll pop up on any radar. I didn't know that you could fly to the Bahamas without

a passport. What about that issue, Phil Ramos? And will it be flagged once he's stateside? In case

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Yeah, there's a couple of countries that you can go to without a passport. I think Mexico is one of

them. I'm not sure about the Bahamas, but there are a couple of exceptions to that, but very, very,

very few. The question about the key. Here's some that's kind of confusing me. And you know,

our listeners that are boaters will know what I'm talking about. If we can pull up that picture of

him in the boat with her up in front. So look at this right hand. He's got one of those direct

drive motors, which means he manipulates the speed by turning his wrist just like a motorcycle.

Right? And you know, the more gas you give, the more throttle you give, the faster it's going to go.

When you take your hand off of that, it automatically reverts to idle. So the boat's not going to

go anywhere. The only reason you need a key is if you have an ignition, just like your car. Your car

won't start without a key. A key and a boat is called a dead man switch. And that what that

refers to is it's got to be in the ignition. The boats turned on. That's why you have

have the key attached with the line here to whatever you're wearing. In case you fall out,

that key pulls out, cuts the motor off. That motor doesn't need a key. The key not being in there

has got nothing to do with the way it's propelled. So he can start it just like an old lawn mower.

You pull the cord and it starts up. As soon as you start playing with that grip, the throttle,

it's going to go. As soon as you let go, it stops. So I'm surprised that they keep referring to

that. She didn't have, she had the key. She had the key. Doesn't matter. Don't need a key.

So that's interesting. I hadn't heard that before. And I don't know enough about boating, but

that makes a whole lot of sense. Ritter, before I reveal what these people said to us, the mother

of Lynette and her father, you mentioned the FBI. Right now, one of the other headlines today is

cadaver dogs were released by the Coast Guard. And by the way, this is now footage. I'll put it up

here of Brian Hooker, who said, hey, dude, I didn't realize how big he is. This is him leaving the

Bahamas today. I'm going to mute it. So Josh can speak, but you see him boarding a commercial flight

with everyone else getting ready to head back state side. But Josh, just speak to us for a moment

about, I guess the United States Coast Guard, you know, they're the entity that is now also running

the investigation side by side with the Bahamians. I know you're not an expert in this type of law,

but what can you tell us in terms of the Coast Guard and the FBI interacting with one another and

potentially flagging this guy once he lands in America? Yeah, well, one, they're both operating under

the, you know, the courtesy of the Bahamian government to be there. But I imagine, you know,

there's no issues with that. The Coast Guard is going to be involved because it's obviously not

some sort of, you're not going to involve the Navy and the FBI doesn't have its own kind of fleet

to operate and conduct investigations, you know, this far off of American soil. But the FBI is

the investigative agency that would be involved. The Coast Guard's not an investigating agency.

They're just going to provide resources to help in the search. But the FBI are the actual

law enforcement investigators who are going to be running any kind of investigation. I think they

were involved or providing assistance or something like that early on. But my point is that there

is, there is ways for the US to have jurisdiction over a crime involving US citizens that takes place

off, you know, abroad, off of US soil. So they could certainly bring, you know, we've seen that.

There's other cases that we've talked about where they've dealt with that and had to extradite people.

Maybe now they won't even have to extradite them if they decide to go ahead and bring the

charges. But it's, yeah, it adds to the complexity of the whole thing. But I think really the biggest

obstacles that they're dealing with is what's been already identified by Phil and Doug. And that's

you know, the crime scene itself. You're at sea. The only thing they have at this point is her

watch. If her body ever is discovered, I imagine that'll be far more helpful. I really enjoyed Phil's

point about the boat because I'm no big boater myself. But I've been on those little dinghies. And I

know that on like a jet ski, you have those kinds of, you know, cords that are attached to

you so that the jet ski doesn't take off on you in the middle of the ocean if you fall off. But I've

never seen similar on those smaller boats. But I would hope, I would hope that that would be one

of the first things that they would be investigating. I mean, they do have the vessel. So they can go

back and see does does everything that he say checks out as far as how that boat operates and whether

or not it would operate. And if it has a kill switch and if she, you know, is that kill switch missing?

I mean, it's going to be one very interesting thing if her body does show up and there's no key

attached to her. So it, you know, I'm hoping that the behemian authorities are at least up to the

task and investigating this. And then you look at, I mean, he's a tall guy. He's a big, he's a tall

sky out there on that little dinghy, man. I don't know. They fit on there. Together, Doug, just

back to that Apple watch. And I'm going to tell you about the conversations of COE and I had

today. But how, how critical is that Apple watch? And also just to underscore what Josh Ritter said,

everything we know is according to Brian Hooker. And who knows? We don't know that she was actually

ever on that dinghy. That's something we've talked to Phil about as well. But first, Doug, the Apple

watch. How critical is that? I mean, I haven't heard anything about any phones at this point. So at

this point, in terms of digital evidence, I think your main thing is the Apple watch. And the Apple

watch, I first really had to deal with when it came to when I was working with the Rachel Moran case

because that Apple watch, it records, and it doesn't necessarily record your heartbeat.

It records blood flow, which is a reflection of your heart rate. So with that Apple watch, you

can get a complete timeline of when her heart rate increased. And then when it stopped, and then

you can kind of piece together why it may have increased at certain times. You know, when she

started to panic, it may have increased earlier in the day when she went for a jog. And then it may

have obviously eventually increased when she was near death and then stopped. So you can't start

piece that information together. If the watch is still intact, and you can get that information

in a timely manner from Apple. Some people say she never got on that dinghy. Let me just tell you

a little bit. So I reached out because I was going to see if Darlene Hammett wanted to come on.

She is Lynette's mother, the husband who didn't want to give me his first name. He didn't

he didn't really want to speak. That was pretty evident. And I'm not one of these guys to harass

anyone. So it was a very quick conversation. He sounded obviously devastated and he said to me,

look, we're just waiting for our baby girl to come back home is what he said in exactly those words,

which breaks your heart. The COE called separately because she and I sort of crossed wires.

And she found out she spoke directly to the mother, Darlene. She told the COE that she's not

up for an interview that every hour feels like an entire day. She's literally standing by the

phone waiting for updates and that they're dealing with so much that is just beyond overwhelming.

She did say that she's absolutely grateful for the media and thinks that the coverage has

been fantastic. That they're keeping Lynette's story in the spotlight. She said that that's really

what she wants. She said Carly, who's her granddaughter, is in the Bahamas today. So you've got an

interesting juxtaposition. The husband high tails it out of there. The daughter now enters the

Bahamas and that the daughter was the one who reported to her that the Coast Guard is using

cadaver dogs searching for Lynette. She also confirmed to us. We saw the video just now, but she also

confirmed to us that Brian Hooker didn't fact leave the Bahamas and that they have not spoken.

We did ask her, of course, if we could help. She just said that they just need time right now to

recover and that she'd be willing to probably speak to us in a couple of days. So she's obviously

going through a lot and shout out to new member here, Kiyakaha. I love that name. I could say that

all day long, but Phil Ramos, cadaver dogs. That's your world. You guys are calling those out.

And it's also, I guess, Doug McGregor's world to a degree. It happened April 4th today is

tax day. So it's hard to forget April 15th. That's 11 days ago. How are cadaver dogs being used

and why? They're the greatest thing one of our tools. As soon as the body starts to decompose,

body fluids create air bubbles in whatever area they are. When those air bubbles burst,

those body, the scent of those body fluids float to the surface and that's what the cadaver dogs

hit on. They can actually smell or key on a decomposing body that's right below them as long as

those air bubbles make it to the surface and they are so good at that. And they are so good. I mean,

just I just praise those dogs in their handlers. The only problem with that is

that evidence is subject to the drift of the ocean and the wind above the waterline. So

while he could key on it, it could have traveled under the water for several yards,

even longer distance before it made it to the surface and it's detectable. So that's a very

smart thing for them to do. I would have thought that they probably deployed them sooner, but

you know, you got to consider what it is that they're looking for and how that becomes

something to look for. It's part of the decomposition process and until the body starts to decompose,

they don't have anything to key on. I got to get to Ritter right after this. So CBS news,

once again, got their hands. I find this very interesting that they're getting their hands on

text messages between family and this happens to be between Brian Hooker and his daughter,

Rosie, and it's tough to read there. And let me see here. I just want to see if I've got the

order. I'm a little out of order here. So what you're there we go.

Rosie says, I love you dad, speaking to Brian Hooker. He responds, Rosie, I love you too.

He's speaking to both Rosie and Carly elsewhere who is now Lynette's daughter, right? So he says,

Rosie, I love you, Carly. I just took a melatonin in an attempt to get some sleep. Me and Jen,

and this is from yesterday, by the way. So me and Jen and Uncle Brett are going out on a boat

tomorrow, meaning today, to continue searching. And I'll try to contact you if I can, but I may not

be back before you go to work. So shoot me a call or a text when you get on a break for updates.

I'm not giving up and I don't want you to give up either, ladies. Then there's no response.

And then you hear, good morning, girls. This is from Brian. I miss you today. Me and Jen and

Uncle Brett are going to go out on boats. This is, I think today when he takes off. So he says,

Uncle Brett and I are going to go out on boats and look for Lynette. We were hassled at dinner by

reporters last night and followed on the road and decided to post a statement on my Facebook page.

And tomorrow to continue searching and I'll try to contact you if I can, but I might not be back

before you go to work. So shoot me a call or text. Oh, this is the end of the last one. So

my apologies. He continues here. He says, our family, this is like halfway down the second part

here. He says, our family has lots of support from people all over the world, but they're of course

always some haters. And I urge you just to keep your focus on what's important, which is Lynette

and our family. They're saying ridiculous stuff. And so I will do some pushback on that when I

can, but I've locked down my Facebook page except for the statement and you can still reach me

through messenger on the other ways that you can always reach me. I love you and I'm not giving up

or stopping. Josh Ritter, what's curious is the family members are releasing this to CBS news.

Let's start there. What do you make of that and how incriminating could this potentially be

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Yeah, I mean, his family members are really what put this on the map to begin with. This story

all broke because the the daughter initially, I think was Fox News did an interview with the

daughter where she said, I think this whole thing is fishy. He's made threats against her. There's

a history of domestic violence. He's even threatened her before with tossing her over a boat.

If it was not for that daughter making those statements, I don't know if the news would have

caught on to this as much and the media would have followed it as much because then all you're

left with is a horrible story of a lady who went over the side of a boat, which by the way happens

and we don't get a bunch of national coverage on the whole thing. But once she did that interview,

it really all kind of took on a life of its own. And then and then since then there's a bunch of

like we've all outlined surrounding suspicious circumstances. But it does seem funny that there's

someone in the family that continues to feed information to the media. I mean, I've seen these

text messages. I've also seen a Facebook chat that he had with a friend that was released to the

media. Yeah, real quick, Josh, because Moon Wolf is saying these texts are from before he was

arrested. There was an other set. This is now a separate from what I understand that of more

recent text messages. So there've been a couple of baskets of text messages released, but go ahead.

Yeah. As far as if any of this could be used against them, the answer is it can be used. There

is ways to make it admissible, but to what end? And he has also made many comments to police

and publicly. And so you've got all this information of things that he said. And I could see where

it would become important if it starts to now add up. Like if we get information later on on,

you know, her body being recovered or some other further information from the Apple Watch or whatever

it is. And it starts to not add up to stories that he's already told to both the media and family

members. I could see that certainly becoming an issue because now you're dealing with a purely

circumstantial case and you're trying to prove it like any other case. And one of the ways you do

that is by saying here's evidence of consciousness of guilt. Somebody who's giving

contradictory stories, he's telling one person one thing, another person another thing his stories

don't add up. They don't match the evidence that we have. Yeah, you could you could see them trying

to piece together a case that way. But I think what we've got right now is a situation where it's

more about his story and behavior just doesn't match with what we all expect. Like we all have

put ourselves in his position. Yeah. And to one of us, I've not heard one man say they would not

have jumped in the water after her. Everybody seems to think that that's exactly what they would do.

And we'd start I might not because I would drown, but that's just what we start to judge

him against that. And it makes me start to think of situations like John Benet Ramsey where it was

like we were just so confused by their behavior that we began to be very suspicious of it. And I

think that's what's a lot that's happening here. Yes, there's there's some stuff ahead of time

as far as the history of domestic violence. I saw police report earlier. It was from 2005. So

we're talking 20 years ago. Yeah. So yeah, he just it's just more than anything. It's like none of

this seems to make sense, but doesn't necessarily create a smoking gun type situation. All great

points. And look, I think human inclination is to probably dive onto the suspicion bandwagon.

And there is a lot to be suspicious of. Doug McRagger, this I had not heard. And it's very important.

I don't know if you came across this because I know you researched this much better than I do. But

what about the fact that if this area where she goes over is only four to five feet of water,

she's taller than five feet tall. All she'd have to do is stand up and try to maneuver back

somewhere. That seems very critical. Doug McRagger. If that's the case, sure. I've been you know,

for about an hour before coming on here tonight, I was kind of looking in and trying to educate

myself about the Bahamas in the area and the water. And I've never been there myself.

If it was shallow area, yes. You know, we assume that somebody could just stand up.

Obviously, the story is is different. But what I will say is, I'm not pointing the finger at

this point, but if it was foul play, she want one of two things. Either one, she did not go in

water where he says that she went in the water. Because if he's playing this whole thing meticulously,

he's not going to then go back to law enforcement and say she entered right here. He's just not

going to do that. So she entered somewhere else if it was foul play. And then that also goes towards

Josh's point earlier in that, you know, did she was she ever in the water or was her body left

somewhere else? Again, if it's foul play. Now, if it's an accidental drowning and all sorts of

things can happen in water. And this, sorry, this also goes back to the HRD thing. So a certain

human remains detection dogs could have when they said they were bringing them in. My first question

in a post that put online was, are they bringing them in to search on water, which these dogs are

fully capable of the specialized ones? Or do they have intel that suggests she's on land somewhere

and that's what they're bringing them in for? So I was kind of curious about that.

But yeah, the the the geography, the depth, everything of the water, the currents, it all plays a

factor. But if it was shallow, sure, you know, you'd assume somebody could stand up if it was

shallow. Do you hear the announcement started? Did the announcements about the Kadaver dogs happen

around the same time that he takes off? Yeah, I was very just I think I think the Kadaver dogs

was beforehand. Yeah. And then he took like, are we talking the same day? Yeah, yeah, just hours

apart if that. Yeah, yeah. So Kadaver dogs, then he leaves. The angel rock would Laura Lee

Potvan, her cousin Dennis Potvan of the New York Islanders. But look at this, Doug, we had a guest

on yesterday from Thunder Bay, there's a 20 hour drive north of Toronto, 20 hours north of

Toronto. I didn't know Laura Lee was from there as well. Have you ever been up there, Doug McRagger?

Not there, but I will say I've seen a lot of Canadians in your comments here. You might have to do

some more Canadian cases. I need to come and do some shows. I love Canada. Phil Ramos to you.

Now, this is an older text. This is basically the day after the incident. This is now Brian Hooker.

I'm just going to read this a lab. We don't have the graphic. This is Brian talking to his buddy.

Now, this buddy released this text too. He says, yeah, brother, I'm afraid so off the dinghy

in some choppy seeds, seeds, it says. So on the way back to the sailboat, the wind blew me away

from her and she swam towards the sailboat and we lost sight of each other pretty quickly as it

was just about sundown. I drifted and tried to paddle with one or for the next seven hours

until I washed up behind the shore of the next island over and was able to get some help finally.

We are all still searching. A lot is going on right now, but thank you for checking on us.

Being on the news is a huge burden, even though he did 73 million interviews.

And I just had my first ever news organization call me a few minutes ago. What do you make of this

text message, Phil, with your experience as a homicides detective?

Not sure what to make of it relative to when he sent it and what the circumstances were.

If, unless I'm mistaken, I thought the information that we've all been given is that they were

under power going away from the sailboat and going towards some shoreline. And not here,

he's saying they were on their way back to the sailboat. So I'm confused about that. Does anybody

know what he actually said? Well, it's leaking what the reports were.

I think this is what he said initially. This was initially, I believe, and correct me,

SDS Nation, if I'm wrong. And then it started to switch to the story that you just heard,

to that narrative. And the story has definitely changed and it's definitely conflicted.

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CYA comments in there knowing I mean he's going to be smart enough to realize that cops are

going to get a hold of all his text messages, emails, all his digital footprints that they can find

to try and you know put the connect the dots. So we've already realized that he's

contradicted himself on a couple of key issues and those there's another red flag.

And the other I think the difficult part as we've all mentioned is proving that a crime has

occurred longer. Her body isn't recovered. The less are going to have to work with

in regards to and Doug mentioned this in the cause and manner. You have to be able to show that

there was a criminal act that caused her death or was it just simple drowning. One of the things

that they've been looking at is the water in her lungs. Was there water in her lungs?

Or was there no water in her lungs? Well, after a period of time there's going to be water in the lungs.

Anyway, and if they're unable to locate physical trauma that could have led to her death

and rendered her unable to save herself, that's that's very key. The only problem again

is the more time she spends in the water the harder it's going to be to come up with that evidence

and without a definitive cause and manner. You've got a really a really big burden that you

have to get over just to be able to prove that. I think Mr. Ritter can speak to that better than I,

but we have had cases where we prosecuted someone when there wasn't a body, but we had a lot of

circumstances to show that one a crime was committed. You know, we got a bloody garage or a bloody

backyard and the amount of blood that was there. So if you can show that there was a crime scene,

there was the bedroom was a crime scene and there was so much blood in there that the person

couldn't survive that, then you can take it you can take it to court that way and you know,

there's always going to be that little reasonable doubt factor, but if a coroner or medical

examiner can get up on the stand and say one person could not have survived with all this physical

evidence on the amount of blood type of blood that was there. So it can be done, it's difficult,

it increases our our burden, but because they don't have a body right now to establish cause

of manner, it's going to be a tough it's going to be a tough sell to a DA to try and prosecute it.

Yeah, for sure. Josh Ritter has got to run. If you don't know him, you know, now he's the host

of courtroom confidential, one of the best two crime podcasts in all the world. He's also a

criminal defense attorney. He's also a Fox News analyst. He's also an LA prosecutor of the year,

father, husband, almost a professional baseball player. He played at Santa Monica High.

Josh, what have I left out in your final thoughts here? No, I think you covered everything.

I appreciate that. You got you got my email, the memo. I you know, final thoughts is that it

it is such a bizarre situation because film acts an excellent point. It's not like a nobody

cases are unheard of and it's not like they're not prosecuted, but usually what you're doing

in a nobody case is you're saying, okay, well, listen, we found, you know, this huge patch of

blood. We know this person suffered some sort of harm or even absent that, you're usually saying

something like, listen, this person would never just disappear. They love their family. They

checked in with their daughters every day. Whatever it is, you can establish enough to say this person

didn't just go missing and run off on their own. Something happened to this person.

But what are you doing there on a boat? And people do fall off of boats. And this guy does seem

to have kind of the answers to a lot of those immediate questions. Immediate question number one,

why didn't you just turn the boat around to go get her? Well, she had the key on her

and it disabled the motor. Well, why didn't you paddle out and get her? Well, I tried to,

but it was at night and there was rough seas and high winds. And it's like, that's where I think

our suspicion starts to come up is that all of this stuff does make sense that a person,

this could happen to a person, but it also does seem to be a little neatly tied up as far

as providing answers to some pretty obvious questions. And so we're left in a situation where we're

like, is this an accident or is it not? Are we even dealing with the crime before we even get to

how do you prosecute a nobody case? I mean, it seems like something your old friend Alan Jackson

would absolutely salivate or any criminal defense attorney would salivate to get this case because

there is certainly a reasonable doubt. Josh, I got to ask you a final question. What date you

prefer, prefer more tax day or after the Dodgers win game seven of a world series? I will take after

the Dodgers win game seven. And I know that you did that with a Canadian on the phone as well. So

on the stream as well. So Toronto fairly heartless of you, but I will take the Dodgers winning game seven.

Do you think they played the keys in game seven this year? What's that? Do you think they play the

Yankees in game seven this year? Could be, could be shaping up that way. As long as they're playing

somebody at the end of the year, I'll be happy. And were you better or worse than Shohei was when

Shohei was in high school? When you were in high school? I think they called Shohei when they first

drafted him. They called him a young ritter. Like that's the way they described him amongst the

I heard though. That's kind of the shorthand for how they were describing his talent.

That's it's crazy because I've heard the same thing. The only difference is I'm not sure that

look at this Dodgers cheated. It's good. Thank you. Thank you to A.O. by the way.

Ritter, the only difference you and Shohei is the $750 million contract. But otherwise the talent

is the same. So have a great one, dude. Appreciate you being here. Thank you so much guys.

Take care. Um, so, um, Phil, there was a question. And then we've got, believe it or not,

this guy who is upset with the media, he was on the today's show. This is all coming in a weird

circle here with Savannah Guthrie because someone said this has weird Nancy Guthrie vibes that this

woman just disappeared. But that message is after he was texting with Mr. Danforth for a while.

That's a friend. Yeah. After that, Mr. Danforth saw on the news that she was missing. This is

all true. Brian never told him until he asked. All right. Thank you for, uh, for that, uh,

Joy Perry. Appreciate that. Sharks were mentioned. Uh, Carm is bringing that up.

Carm lives on the beach in Miami, where she, uh, stayed. Carm's witnessed a shark attack as a

child, uh, somewhere in the Black Sea, somewhere out there in that part of the world.

I'm wondering if the American FBI can go after this guy or is it strictly Bahamas? Um, Phil,

just, I mean, Josh mentioned this, but, but, uh, one of you addressed that in terms of the FBI's

jurisdiction in a country like, uh, the Bahamas, Phil Ramos. Each country has its own different

protocols and parameters. So if the FBI is actively investigating this, then surely the Bahamian

authorities would just turn it all over to that. You know, the other ones doing all the

footwork, they're the ones that are coming up with the probable cause with the evidence. If

there's any, as it develops, uh, so I think the only issue would be where would the child be held.

Because you can't prove exactly where the crime was, if there was a crime, we can't prove where

the crime was committed. And that's usually the determined impactor where the prosecution is going

to take place for where it was committed, except in the rare circumstances where they get a change

of venue. So, um, yeah, if the FBI is involved in this, then they're likely going to take that, uh,

prosecution with them. And I'm sure, I'm sure the Bahamian authorities are happy to say, hey,

here you go, man, take it. And Doug, I'm just thinking, you know, you're, you're kind of like the

map guy for sure. Um, if they called you right now and said, hey, don't come to Bahamas, but just

do some work, uh, uh, from Canada, what kind of like mapping would you do? What, what, what are you

looking for, uh, with your geo profiling here? I think I would need a timeline of their entire

visit in the Bahamas everywhere they've been, every location, the complete timeline that

corresponds to it, um, all their activities, um, any, you know, call detailed records, electronic

data to support that. And then you just start to kind of map out what they did in one. I get a,

got a picture of the activity there. So I would do that and see if that takes me anywhere on land,

um, and in the water, other places in the water that they may have gone while there, uh,

did they visit another remote island earlier in the week, for example. Um, so I would look at those

things. I would work with, uh, search and rescue, uh, the search and rescue teams, the, uh, the HRD

K9 teams and, uh, and work with them to identify spots to search with those resources. Um,

so I would start there. What one comment I found interesting in the chat here,

and, and I haven't seen this anywhere. So I don't know if it's fact, but maybe we can see is, uh,

earlier in the week when I was talking about this case, I said, you know, they want to process the

boat and they want to see if there's anything evidence on the boat that suggests I'll play.

But you also want to see if there's anything that's not on the boat that should be there that

could have been used for concealment. And somebody in the chat here said that the anchor was missing

from the boat. Interesting. So that's the person I've seen that. I'm not sure if that's true or not.

I have not heard of it. It's true. I mean, now you gotta explain why there's no anchor on the boat.

And where is it? So you're talking to the anchor on the, the actual sailboat,

there's what you're talking about. I don't know. I mean, the dinghy has an anchor.

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You're muted. Hold on a sec. Let me get you there. A COE might have done that.

No you're good. Talk to us. Yeah they do they do have anchors but they're really small and

they're just meant to keep keep your boat in one spot but because they're so small you don't

need a big anchor and you don't need a whole lot of chain. That would uh yeah the quick answer is

yes I wanted to pick Doug's brain a little bit though. When you're doing your tracking and you're

mapping let's say you find when they find her 100 yards away in a case like this where she

spent all this time in the water are you able to backtrack that way depending on the currents and

the wind and the prevailing uh weather patterns that are there or do they change that much that

you can't you're not able to do that. Yeah possibly I mean it all comes down to you're starting to

get into the the territory of geophorens except that point and you really have to I would have

to consult with somebody that specializes in all the the the title patterns any currents in that

area from what I understand there's not real uh currents like the the Gulf Stream per se but the

more title influenced the winds at that time you really have to look at the specific time of day

um from what I've seen is that uh at this time of year at that time of night you're almost reaching

low tide I believe uh so you want to take all these sims into account and you're kind of you're

going to have to you're basically doing um you're modeling right you're going to model and see

okay you have a body here at point A or point we'll call it point B maybe where was point A

where did this body into the water based on all the existing environmental conditions in effect

right now to end up at point B um and then you can kind of tie that in does his story fit so you

could go the geophorens a group and uh and look at it that way uh K Thompson please email me uh I said

we might have some sailors on today never heard back from Matthew so Matthew please reach out

love to get you on uh they are sailing in the exact part of the bombers and you see K Thompson

uh Phil Ramos interesting comment here I'm on the island where this happened

shout out to our Bahamian viewers I'm on the island where this happened and I can honestly say

I don't think she's in the water that area is a highly used area the fact that they have not

found anything of hers what does that tell you Phil I mean uh and it also sounds like it could be

you know fairly shallow water in this area but um would you expect a body to to float up uh it's

11 days and no one sees anything and by the way this guy apparently shot off two flares and no

one ever saw a single flare um flat land it's not like it's mountainous land what what do you make

of it Phil uh actually uh the remains will float to the surface because of the decomposition process

there's gonna be a lot of air bubbles in her system and once they get big enough to overcome

the weight of whatever's left of her she'll she'll float her weight on the surface one of the things

that is um probably I don't know how they'd be able to find out this particular thing you learn

this in scuba diving classes your body there's three levels of buoyancy to a human body

positively buoyant, neutrally buoyant and negatively buoyant. Positively buoyant means

you know most women are positively buoyant they can just sit on the surface without even the

raising an arm or a leg and they'll float all day long without any effort as positive buoyancy

neutral buoyancy is if you sink down three or four feet you're gonna stay there if you're at five

feet you're gonna stay there it's you're neutral you're not going up or down negatively buoyant

and many of us fat old guys are negative negatively buoyant you sink straight down to the bottom man

there's nothing you can do that's why you have to wear flotation devices uh when you're scuba diving

and that's why you have to have weights on stuff like that so depending on if she was neutral or

negative or positive her body's gonna drift the currents are gonna take her and um if she sank

straight to the bottom and she got caught up on some coral or or something that hold her in place

then she's still gonna be in that same place until mother nature takes its course and there's not

much left to hang on to and Phil just to follow up here with Miss Colleen Kay Joel Bahameen papers

reported flares were still on the dinghy now this guy apparently told uh people that he fired off

two flares to to Doug's point it's like what was on the boat but you know what wasn't on the boat

but what if he says he fired two flares and there's two flares on the dinghy uh that's not gonna fly

right well it depends on how many flares he said we're on the boat most most little kits that you buy

they come with either two three or four flares but that's not to say that you can't go buy extra flares

I mean a lot of experienced voters have a number of extra flares just for this particular reason so

I don't know that there's any way to prove or disprove that unless you know exactly how many

flares he had on his boat it's just like ammunition you know I got a whole box of 45s over here

and I only had five in the thing it's just a matter of it's a of mathematics um okay so here is

Brian Hooker doing the today show today uh and then he literally just

high-tales it out of the Bahamas after this but let's watch explicitly ask you if you hurt your

wife of course what did you say to that I said I've never harmed Lynette and I never would harm Lynette

and I want to find Lynette this morning we're finally hearing from Brian Hooker about that

tragic boat ride his wife's disappearance and the agonizing day is since he allegedly vanished

and the waters off the Bahamas I don't think I've ever been apart from her

in uh uh in 25 years for this long Brian Hooker says Lynette accidentally fell from the

couple's boat in rough conditions 11 days ago but with his lawyer looking on he would not go

into great detail about the active investigation into his wife's disappearance if there's anything

you can share about Easter weekend that you remember I cannot share anything as you can imagine

things are chaos and hectic and I welcome any attention anything that helps me further my goal

of finding Lynette. Brian Hooker has not been charged with any crime and police released him

late Monday but here in the Bahamas the country's top cop tells me investigators do not trust Hooker's

story please still look at you as a suspect why do you think that is I think some of it is probably

the media attention um which is understandable my time in the in with the Bahamian police

was a small part of hell than a bigger part of hell that I'm really in right now but

they have to do their job. I also asked Brian about his relationship with Lynette which has a

times reportedly been volatile. What do you want people to know about your marriage with Lynette?

I want people to know that Lynette is my life and we have been together half my almost half my life

and we belong to each other. He says he plans to keep searching for Lynette by water and even by air

if he can hire a plane. No one has told me not to stop looking and I'm going to keep looking.

So Jesse what is the latest on the search and on the investigation right now?

Yeah.

How do the military here tells me it is looking to suspend its search for Lynette by tomorrow they've

been analyzing factors such as tide drift and wind and the reality is they are simply running out

of viable places to look for her meanwhile Brian Hooker's attorney late yesterday telling us

that she expects police could give Brian access to the couple sailboat possibly in the next couple

of days. He's going to stay in search and then about two hours later he's on a plane

back to the states. Phil Ramos your take on that interview particularly when he starts

to sort of quasi get emotional saying that they've never been in part in 25 years for this long

where you buying that emotion Phil Ramos. Well you did once again I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Okay. Yeah that was self-serving and like like OJ going to the golf course looking for the real

color it's self-serving I don't think there's a whole lot of authenticity to that and

the emotions just weren't there when you start talking in detail about your relationship with

your now missing wife unless your stone cold no emotions he's going to tear up his voice is

going to crack but I didn't see any of that yeah I'm not buying that. He is marine as well

as in he was in the marine corps. Kia kaha here Joel I spent years cruising that exact area

of the Bahamas we have like the coolest community by the way we couldn't get fish back to the boat

without sharks attacking them. If Ryan Hooker Dumplinette offshore there probably won't be

any remains which is a very difficult thing to think about. Doug McRagger that's a party year

world I mean that's a reality there that sharks could consume a body very quickly if you want to

comment on that but my question to you at the end of this piece you hear the reporters say that

they are going to suspend the search. I think it was going to happen at some point later today

or tomorrow because they're literally just running out of viable places to search. How do you interpret

that? Yeah for I mean first on the sharks I have no idea I'm never dealt with the case that involved

sharks. I don't know shark behavior in that area. So it's tough to comment on whether that would be

a factor or not. I mean just to you know going back quickly when you're talking about a drowning

and and Phil touched on this drowning victims eventually go to the bottom they all go to the

bottom eventually some will float for a couple hours based you know because of different circumstances

body fat percentage what they're wearing if they're wearing a big puppy jacket face down maybe

stay afloat but they all go to the bottom eventually and eventually they always come back up

once they start to decompose and you know at that point can sharks be a factor. Yeah possibly

the search and rescue being called off again they always get called off eventually you can only

keep resources out there searching for so long and and then it just it's a well two things one it's a

cost-benefit analysis you know we're spending all this these resources time effort money manpower

to search and there's we haven't found anything and that might sound grim but that's what it comes

down to but then also they might need them somewhere else so eventually you can't search forever

right unless you get new evidence comes to light that suggests there may somebody may have seen

a body floating in a specific area you send them back it but until that happens yeah eventually

you got to call off the search. Judy Herbert ever generous with a super chat here Phil come out

of retirement and help with these cases Nancy got three and the hooker nonsense I have to send you

the Bahamas and Tucson not not too bad places to go I feel one thing that I'm thinking of just

watching that interview um you know he talks about how he's in hell uh that the interview with

police was a small part of hell that he's a he's in a bigger part of hell right now it's all about

him a lot of people call him a narcissist but if this was me I know um I would be much more like

declarative I would I would say why do you even ask me this question I would never kill my wife

you know like but there was none of that there was zero of that there was no no defense really it was

just like we were together I've been with her half my life um almost like he was removed from

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this soon after the situation is intense as this is yeah you didn't you didn't show a lot of

emotion not that that means he's guilty or that he's being deceptive it's just unusual even

you know a stock marine is going to have some emotion when your life partner is gone and

under weird circumstances it's um I think it's a little too early to assign any kind of

issues with his responses but as time goes by you know his actions are certainly going to be

looked at and how are his responses now and we go back to the to the shark thing I don't know why

people have this idea that sharks are the only ones that are going to cause problems every every

fish in the ocean gets hungry everyone it's not just sharks so you know the presence of sharks

I think is minimal as far as what could have happened Ben that is a very frightening prospect now

here is an interview that Ashley Banfield did on her show this is now with Carly Ellsworth the

daughter the biological daughter of Lynette Hooker who has been missing since April 4th can

happen I say either she did actually fall off and he just was like well look at all that life

insurance and just paddled away or he pushed her out and she was unconscious or something I don't

know you mentioned life insurance do you have any idea what the policy or if they have life insurance

policy I have no idea but I'm assuming she does from her retirement do you think that Brian had

any intention of leaving your mom had they talked about separation or had they been having

marital difficulties they've talked about separating before and the last time they were

together he did choker out and threatened to kill her and throw her overboard so the fact that

this is happening two years later is a little bit like how can we not be suspicious when you've

already said that this was going to happen I have seen comments about Brian's temper in the past

things that you've witnessed can you tell me things that you've seen with regard to Brian's

temper he gets away with his emotions sometimes I've seen him do stuff to his daughter out of anger

and now I'm worried that it's happened to my mom and it's something that he can't undo have you

ever seen him be violent with your mom I've heard stories from her but I haven't seen it with her

I have seen it happen with his daughter the same stuff that she describes happened to her

three were talking about something religious because she's super religious and he's an atheist

and she ran off and then he followed her and grabbed her by the net and was like say yes sir

to her in her face and then we had to go to court for that and I was a witness how old was she

like around 12 I was in third grade she was a child when this happened and what was the outcome

they stopped coming over I don't know what if he was charged with anything but I just know that

Jesse and Jake stop coming over after that these are his two kids yes out of three he has a third one

two that is Ashley Banfield interviewing Ashley or Carly Ellsworth excuse me Carly K-A-R-L-I

Phil Ramos a lot said there she this is now his stepdaughter and Lynette's biological daughter

believes that she either fell off or was pushed off for potentially monetary gain with life insurance

but then it gets worse 2024 she talks about that he actually choked her out after threatening

to throw her overboard talks about how he gets away with his emotions and then there's a case

from 2005 where he's actually arrested on a charge for his other stepdaughter from another

previous marriage she's into creationism and God and he is not and he apparently

choked her so badly that he left marks around her neck and lifted her up off the ground above his

head and we see how tall he is how much of that do you have to take into consideration I guess

or how much do you have to separate it when investigating a potential homicide here that's a huge

huge red flag there's a lot of data coming out now that if an offender is prone to

choking his partner or at least trying to choke his partner the percentages of a later fatal

incident occurring are very high very high we we've have endorsed laws now the domestic violence

laws that if a choking procedure occurs during the domestic violence it takes it up a notch

it makes it a more severe penalty so if that's accurate if she if she's reporting what she saw

or knows to be a fact yeah they're going to look into that hard they're going to look into that

hard and and I'm a little surprised that insurance money policy information hasn't hasn't

hasn't come out yet because that's people go after that all the time and they sure seem to find

it they find it within a week oh yeah well nobody's talked about the million dollar insurance policy

that he took out six months ago and then he threatened to kill her and you know blah blah blah

so I'm a little surprised that information hasn't been released so that we know about that if

if it was a financial gain it's been out there it's been out there but I don't think it's been

confirmed necessarily by anyone other than kind of being floated out there um but but Phil also

before I get back to Doug I mean what's it say when your stepdaughter is and she grew up with

this guy since you know young young girl has these feelings toward him you know that that

can go either way it could it could be as you never liked him in the first place it could be that

he just didn't endure himself to you know raising a child that wasn't his it's um

I think you need to get a lot more background information on the relationship between the two of

them you know let's let's be frank stepchildren don't often get along with their stepparent

but is it to the point where a stepchild can formulate an idea based on negative relationship

with a stepparent that would give someone an indication that you know he could have been responsible

for or her death that's something that they'll look into but it's going to be a lot of corroboration

associated with that before it gets a lot of credence in the investigation. Thank you again to

ARY omeng super generous on a letter no Joel how's your need doing they told me I need surgery

then they told me I don't need surgery just suffer so I'm just suffering but I'm fine I'm fine

really I'm fine uh no it's uh it's bothering me but I'm trying to rehab it a little bit uh but

thank you very much very kind uh to ask um Doug Mcgregor just a couple more things I want to touch on um

you know she also texted Lynette texted this is older information but it's important she

texted a friend and it was made public that basically she was going to leave him uh that she said

I can't be out there with him that that sailing life kind of ruined their marriage she was married

for all these years and then she said within six weeks of being on a you know small confined sailboat

she wanted out uh then she obviously gets back together uh with him I know this is not your part

of an investigation but you've got to put all the pieces of the puzzle together um what what does

that tell you um you know as you're trying to solve a case and and put together um the geographic

profiling side of things yeah sure you I mean you're just making a list of again I'm not an

investigator in that sense but you're just making a list of all the possible motives and leaving

somebody is a is a huge motive right I mean I'm pretty sure I think divorce is a leading cause

of homelessness you know losing a child is second to that so like there's so many issues that

come into play if something if your spouse leaves you financially emotionally um everything and she

was apparent sorry to interrupt but apparently she is the breadwinner and the family she's the one

providing the financial um wherewithal right so that's that's a huge motive I mean if there's a

life insurance policy in there as well there's another motive and these motives just keep stacking up

and it just if he's not guilty it's it doesn't look good right it's a lot of circumstantial

evidence um Phil someone here says if I can find the comment strangulation where to go is a

high risk uh some sort of indicator what it what is what what is strangulation because he said she

says that she was choked out by him previously of someone's willing to strangle you uh what does

that tell you uh from the perspective of being a homicide detective yeah uh and I spoke to

that just a few minutes ago it's um if if a strangulation uh tactic is involved in a domestic

violence incident uh percentages of that victim becoming a fatality or severe trauma is very high

there's a direct connection between an offender that chokes their partner and the crime escalating

higher and higher I can't speak to the psychology of it I'm you know I'm not that smart of a guy

but there is a lot of data both by behavior analysis and psychology that if you're prone to

choking someone you could easily take it to the next level and kill him yeah uh this was a comment

from land strangulation as a high-risk lethality indicator interesting someone else what about

this Phil Ramos uh can he collect life insurance without a body at some point you'd have to be

declared dead right and if he's the beneficiary he gets the money yeah um insurance companies and

run into this many many times what insurance companies want to know is number one

who is the beneficiary of the insurance policy well it's going to be him usually and how much is it

and has the person been eliminated as being a suspect in the death of the person who was

insured and we have to be able to say no he hasn't been eliminated we're still looking at him so

they're going to hold off on the payment but every company has their own protocols and some can hold

it off for six months a year two years but as long as the detectives are still looking at him

and they'll consider the person of interest they can hold that payment off as soon as we say yeah

he's been eliminated we're not looking at him any longer boom there goes the check

he is Douglas Mcregor otherwise known as the geoprofiler and oddly enough the guy just

moved to an ocean side community uh Doug is this going to uh deter you from getting into the

boating life Doug Mcregor hello not at all uh my son just asked about that he asked if we were

going to become lobster fishermen so I just went to PI to the east coast so we'll see um but uh

no i'll be back out in the boat for sure um and Doug let me throw a final question at you here

i mean besides your final thoughts which i want i mean based on everything that we know right now

what's where's the best place in your opinion to be searching i mean you you heard

ramos talk about this uh the cadaver dogs are being used but they're not used for water searches so

presumably they think she could be on land as well where do you look

well i think Phil did it did touch did uh mention it but they are used for water searches so

they'll take those dogs out in the boats with them okay um and as Phil mentioned the uh once that

body starts decomposing um if she's down there the uh the VOCs volatile organic compounds start to

come up through the water and the dogs can detect those um but as Phil mentioned it's tough because

they may drift miles miles miles and so where you may detect them she may not actually be there

so they will take the dogs out there um i mean if they are searching for her i assume most

their search efforts are between elbow k and march harbour in that area uh which is where they're

likely gonna search unless i have a reason to search anywhere else because of uh because of you

know it's in and currents and whatnot uh wind um but it's gonna be tough and i think unless they

find a smoking gun of some digital evidence some a google search history something like that

you know i i really do think they're gonna they're gonna need her body to figure out cause and uh

and manner of death and and until that happens i think it's gonna be tough because you know now that

i i see these videos of him and i see him moving around and walking he he he doesn't look very

capable he doesn't look like the type of person who could jump in a boat and i could be wrong

but and swim against any type of type of parent and grab somebody and rescue them and himself

he just i mean he doesn't seem like that you know i mean if it was like i'm pretty confident i

could might maybe do something to that extent but waters and currents and open water swimming is

completely different than a swimming pool so when all that comes into play if it isn't

if it is foul play the accident story is going to be very hard to disprove wow uh in other words

it might be uh potentially the perfect murder but you gotta also acknowledge the fact that he

has not been charged innocent until proven guilty in a court of law all of green here joining alive

from jersey but not my jersey these are the jersey channel islands uh as a dv survivor thank you

for uh sharing by the way it was from watching true crime that i learned that being

choked increased the likelihood of being eliminated it was my wake up call to get out um

you know people we have the best guests in true crime and that is not a tagline it is our reality

i learned stuff all the time that's one of the things i didn't want to have to learn i also had

no idea that they brought these cadaver dogs onto the boats unless ramos specifically mentioned at

the beginning and i was looking at something else um i heard him talk about the water line but i

didn't realize that they're bringing them um on the boats fill ramos is the godfather of true crime

three-time officer of the year in bagus homicide detective undercover narcotics officer still rides

hardly and you heard he's a bowler to what does bill ramos not do i have no idea um another issue

here bill alcoholism uh both known to drink heavily that's not a good um component to add to the mix

but could this have been the perfect murder potentially you know that that that's really a

misnomer because there really isn't a perfect murder some are planned better than others but um he

will have made mistakes if he killed or he will have made mistakes and and as far as the dogs go

they put their paws up on the back of the boat and they just sit there and they're you know

looks like they're looking at stuff and and their nose is hanging over that boat and that's what

they're doing they're they're sniffing for decomposition fluid coming to the surface um you know

and of course the handlers right there and they've got a little doggie life vest on in case

something happens but um they're just so cool to watch it's really awesome but yeah they're

actually on the boat hanging off the back of the boat probably a little farther away from the

motor so that they don't get confused on which bubbles are coming around um and man they're on it

if there's something down there that dog's gonna react to it uh reason nine million seven hundred

and thirteen thousand white dogs are amazing and better in my opinion than humans uh why i've

got a hat of my two dogs right now uh has anyone uh philramus what about this from a couple more

quick questions patches asquire here has anyone considered uh the possibility that he is telling

the truth i mean if you're sitting around uh you and your fellow homicide detectives you got to

run the question by yourselves hey yeah what if this guy is telling the truth does it all add up

you know well he was telling the truth there wouldn't be so many discrepancies in this story

he didn't he didn't tell the same exact story every time so that's a big factor right there

i mean it's very possible that you know he's suffering uh you know some post-traumatic trauma

because his wife has gone and she's likely dead and um he had nothing to do with it that's always

possibility yeah and he's talking doesn't fit that scenario um dog the thing that's obviously

bothering everyone is that she's gone missing uh not this summer i mean in a different way

obviously but Nancy Guthrie just disappeared um everyone feel much better if uh both were found

but speaking of Lynette um what do you think the chances are that she could that that he could have

done this you know unsure and that she's on you know in the sand somewhere i mean are there places

in the Bahamas where you can conceal a body it looks like a very narrow sort of area uh we don't

know where he would have done it but um you know is it possible to conceal a body in the Bahamas

underneath the sand yeah i think it's possible uh okay oh i'll say it's possible but not probable uh

i think that area from what i can see is it's pretty well trafficked in the sense is lots of people

doing lots of different activities there's lots of people around um you know just that area that

they came from they started in it looks pretty busy i would i would assume but don't know that there's

a lot of CCTVs or valence around that area that they would probably be able to piece together some

form of movement or timeline prior to getting in that boat and they would i haven't heard of any

uh you know PLS point last place last scene or last no position of her and there's do

i find there's just a lot of information in this story that's just not out there for example

where was she last scene prior to getting into the boat do we know i i have no idea i heard

you're right i mean they were at a restaurant apparently right so they should probably have

some witnesses from that restaurant they can place them there at a specific time but i haven't

seen that publicly um was there anything else involved was there alcohol involved were they

being you know were they being uh you know not smart on the water not wearing lifejack it's doing

silly maneuvers was was anything else involved that would cause that would increase the chances of

an accident i guess i could say um but this is a lot of information that maybe law enforcement

knows maybe they don't but it's just not out in the public to uh to kind of establish you know

where she was and what she was doing prior to there and and that would increase the uh that would

kind of give you more they would give you investigative avenues leads as to to look into as to whether

she actually got on the boat or actually entered the water or could she be elsewhere

hmm uh we're looking at uh Brian Hooker leaving and and Phil i can't help right here this part

right here like he looks like he's just stolen through the park but he's stolen through the runway

my final question assuming for a moment that he did commit this crime and he is innocent

until proven guilty i have to stress that but assuming for a moment that it did happen

what is a mindset of a person like this because this guy doesn't seem he says that he's

in hell but he doesn't really appear to have much of a care in the world from this image here

yeah that's a pretty casual walk and you know that's a in my view a walk of somebody that

doesn't really have any worries or cares in the world right now i would expect to see more

drama so to speak in his overall behavior you know he's his body language is very casual

and and at ease he's not the not worried about anything sit in line to do about that plane

got the best guest better community we've got the best community in all the youtube's i'm convinced to

that and uh huge shout out to Josh Ritter host of courtroom confidential who joined us for the first

40 minutes he's in LA he's like a big celebrity he's on fox news so he can only the big guys only give

us 40 minutes it's these are the humble men here the geo profiler Doug Mcregor our friend

in the great white north and Phil Ramos three time officer the year in Vegas huge thanks

to all of you we'll be back tomorrow with another show calm will be here Friday we are thinking

of doing there's another sad but interesting story a woman is a lifestyle influencer they go to

um tansania and it kind of hit a chord because believe it or not the coe and i went there for our

honeymoon these people were out in tansania uh they had lions walking before them as he proposes

and uh he proposes to his beautiful fiance they then go to zanzibar which is an island not far a

few days later and she ends up dead uh and some people think he's responsible um the family certainly

does uh so we might calm and i might take a look at that one on friday and uh tomorrow night

empowering any big breaking news in this the thumbnail will be is it all over regarding the dan

martell edelsen story will there be no more arrests we're going to debate that tomorrow night so

that is our original story thank you all for being here love you america love you thunder bay

canada and love you what what town are you and again uh dog i should know this uh i'm out in

uh prince edward island just east of charlatan prince edward island just sounds cool and they're the

smallest province country uh it's beautiful up there man yeah you've been there oh yeah on some

high windows so yeah feel you've been there yeah yeah on a cruise well we're gonna have to uh

have an sts party in prince edward island man so uh we'll all be heading up there soon dog and of

course uh Phil ramos coming us to us from uh vagus what happens in vagus always stays in vagus see

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