I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST - Is Everyone Oppressed Now? Why Satan Loves Marxism with Phoenix Hayes

0:00Ladies and gentlemen, have you gone crazy or has the world gone crazy? Because in recent years, we've been told there is no truth. We've been told there is no God. We've been told gender is fluid. In fact, there's an infinite number of genders. We've been told men can have babies and math is racist. I know that doesn't really add up, but we've been told that. We've been told abortion is health care. But actually castrating children is gender affirming care. We've been told that reason is a tool of oppression. We've been told that Christians are hypocritical bigots and that Christians are oppressors. And we've been told America needs to be torn down. It's irredeemable. What is going on? Are you crazy or has the world gone crazy? Well, we're actually going to drill down on some of these issues, but we're going to focus on one issue in this particular podcast today and radio program here on the American Family Radio Network and other stations around the country.

1:02We're going to talk about the source of much of this. And when you know the source of where of many of these crazy claims, you're going to be able to deal with it. You're going to be able to respond to it. You're going to be able to equip your kids with the right responses and prevent them from going into loony land. So tune in. Today with us, we're going to cover a lot of these issues by looking at what is called cultural Marxism. And this is from our brand new book, which comes out Tuesday called The War on Reality. Recovery and truth in a world that celebrates lies and my co-author. They're great. Phoenix Hases with me. Here's here's ladies and gentlemen. Wait, that's not the right. I want this. Here's ladies and gentlemen. All the way. All the way. From an underground bunker somewhere near Charlotte, North Carolina. Phoenix, we've worked for probably close to two years on this book. It's finally coming out Tuesday. And I think a central aspect of this book that everybody needs to know is in chapter 10,

2:07it's the chapter on Marxism where we say everyone is an oppressor. And let's just start out with who was Karl Marx. Can we start there? Oh, my who was Karl Marx. Well, I don't have a particularly favorable view if I might tend to think of him as a whiny baby German from the 1800s. But Karl Marx was a philosopher who spent his days coming up with ways to solve the world's problems without ever actually going out and working a regular job going out and having to face most of the hardships your regular human had to face. And he's still somehow felt he had some solutions. So he said, yeah, he was a poet, turned philosopher and he formed, he of course wrote the Communist manifesto. And he, what's the other one? What's the other one he wrote, Frank, helped me? Das Kapitán. Thank you. Das Kapitán. I was about to say my comfort like wrong German wrong century.

3:10And it of course started out as an economic theory, which when placed in practice was communism. As we all know was a roaring success across Russia and China and everything. And well, maybe I'm skipping ahead. I'm jumping ahead to how Marxism became what we're seeing today. But what else can we talk about? His poetry? I thought his, okay, when we did it, I know. So the chapter is long. There was so much to cover about what we're seeing in terms of cultural Marxism impacting society today. But I thought it was so interesting just digging into the history of Karl Marx himself. Like what was in his mind? What personal demons did he have that eventually birthed this worldview, honestly, this diagnosis and then solution to the world that just never worked out? And it's interesting in his late teens and early 20s, he started out writing a lot of poetry. And he was very good at it. He was published in a local German literary magazine for a couple of them.

4:14But when you read them, they're very dark. He doesn't write about beauty. He tends to write about tortured souls. And these tortured souls that he writes about are not ones that have been harmed because the world is so bad. It's more an inner turmoil of angst and frustration. And in each case, at least the two that were published, the result is they choose the darkness, not the light. They turn to lean into their madness and their demons to the point where they're running towards the flames of hell, but willingly so. And his poetry kind of escalates from there. And then I think the worst, it's not a poem, it's a play, an unfinished play called All In Am. And the main character is the first character that turns his hate and disdain and restlessness away from himself and out toward the world. And there's this really interesting monologue that the character All In Am, which some have speculated is an anagram or a mixed arrangement of the...

5:20That's okay. I think the demon has spoken right there. Is that Archie coming into the... That is Archie because the child's trying to break in. Oh, alright. Don't come in. This is live podcasting, ladies and gentlemen. That's Archie, a little pug. The demon started barking as soon as he started talking about her marks. Yeah, he sensed it. So, some have speculated that All In Am is an anagram of a man well, which of course means God with us. And it's really interesting because the character of All In Am really just turns his vengeance and fury toward God. And it's very much man against God. And he goes on a big tirade talking about how he just he's going to condemn the world to hell and, you know, there's no hope for us. And anyway, that was the optimistic view that the poet Marx started with before he started developing an economic fairy to apply.

6:20Yeah. And in fact, here's what his father said, which we record in the book, The War on Reality. So his father is sending Karl Marx a letter about his dark, dark poetry. And he says this, I cannot rid myself of ideas, which aroused in me, sad for boatings and fear when I am struck as if by lightning by the thought is your heart in accord with your head, your talents. And since that heart is obviously animated and governed by a demon, not granted to all men, is that demon, heavenly or foustion? Will you ever be capable of imparting happiness to those immediately around you? And then we write the answer sadly was no. Exactly. Because beyond his writings, Marx's personal life mirrored his art, dark and destructive. He refused to get a job, lived off his parents and friends and kept his family in grinding poverty while he philosophized about equity. The result, what did he do with his children? We have that in the book as well.

7:21Well, I think you're thinking of Rousseau who dumped them off at an orphanage. He didn't got that. Oh, no, no, no, this is Marx. We do speak of Rousseau, but it says of his seven children, only three survived into adulthood. One of whom died of cancer, the remaining two by suicide. For a man obsessed with saving humanity, he never quite managed to care for the humans under his own roof. Right. Exactly. So it was like Rousseau saying people are inherently good. And yet Rousseau abandoned all of his children to an orphanage. Exactly. You go, what? Yeah. And Marx the same way. And he doesn't mean that because he had a dark life that everything about his philosophy was dark because obviously we're all hypocrites. We don't fully live out what we believe because that's the human condition we're falling. But for Karl Marx, he never really got a job. And yet he thought he was an economist. How does that work? Exactly. And while he's watching his children get sick because they have like a resources, things like that. At no point does it appear to occur to him that he could go out and earn a better income

8:25and give his family a better life. Yeah, he didn't. And his family suffered because of it. And of course he originally put this out as an economic theory that there are oppressed people who are in the economy. Those are the people that are not the owners, they're the workers. And then there are the oppressors. Yeah. They're the business owners. And what was his solution to sort of evening out what he thought was inequity? Well, making sure, I mean, this is proof that you don't write an economic theory if you don't know anything about business. So one of the reasons why he thought it was so unjust that the factory owners and the farm owners were able to not only own the product of what they were producing, but they were able to charge and access beyond what they sold it for. So in other words, they had the audacity to make a profit, exactly. And he had a problem with that so it is unjust and that's ridiculous.

9:30Yeah, I guess he never read Adam Smith who was a century before him and will unpack that moving forward. We'll also see how this morphed into cultural Marxism that people are not equal in other ways and the solution to that. Don't go anywhere. You're listening to, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist with me, Frank Turek. And my co-author of the War on Reality Phoenix Hayes back in just a couple of minutes. Ladies and gentlemen, the key to understanding why our culture is in such conflict is cultural Marxism. You say, what is that? We're going to unpack it here today on the On the On and On Faith, the Anatheus program. This is chapter 10 in the brand new book, The War on Reality, which comes out Tuesday. By the way, thank you to those who have had us on their podcast and thank you to those who have bought the book already because it has been number one in apologetics, one or two for a while.

10:30It actually was got as high as, I don't know, number 80 on Amazon for a while. That's right. Because a lot of people have seen it and seem to like what we're doing in the book. Look at Kirk did write the forward for it. We'll read a little bit of that a little bit later in the program. It's quite profound. In fact, you can read the entire forward without buying the book. Go to the waronreality.com and see the forward there or just go to Amazon and see editorial comments. You'll see it there. You'll also see Alibas Stuckeys promotion of the book or endorsement of the book. But today we're talking about chapter 10 in the book, the cultural Marxism because it's the key to understanding all of this. We started talking about Marx and how he had a kind of a dark view of life and his idea to try and equalize economics was to make sure that nobody made a profit, which seems to be kind of crazy. You have to make a profit. Otherwise, why be in business? How are you going to feed anybody? But let me just go back to Adam Smith for a second because this is what people don't

11:34seem to understand about economics. Adam Smith in 1776 rode the wealth of nations, erote the wealth of nations in which he says and I'm paraphrasing, it's not due to the benevolence of the book or the butcher, baker or brewer that you receive your dinner at night. It is because of his self interest. He knows that in order for him to get his own dinner, he has to please his customers. So he works hard to do so. And when he pleases his customers, everybody wins. His customers win and he wins. Everybody's better off by this free market economy. And the problem is is that Marx thought that somebody was being treated unjustly if someone makes a profit, which is ridiculous because everybody who is engaged in a free market economy is doing so to benefit themselves.

12:34When I or you give money to say buy food, you're trading the money for something you want more than the money. And the and the grocer is getting the money. He doesn't want the food as much as he wants the money. So everybody wins. And this is what is so often overlooked. If you take away the incentive to that comes from being able to keep the fruits of your own labor, then everybody starves. So socialism not only has failed to produce freedom, it's failed to produce food, ladies in gentlemen, because this is a misunderstanding of human nature. And so Phoenix, comment on that if you want, but then also maybe you could talk about how it's gone from this economic theory to this cultural theory. Yeah. The only thing I can think of to add to that is the great socialist mayor of New York right now. You know, he's raising the taxes on all the millionaires and that you see people like actors

13:37like George Clooney who are sort of saying, well, hang on a second, I supported you. Why are you imposing these higher taxes on me? I mean, sure, I am a millionaire, but I supported you. I donate a huge amount and he does. I'm sure. So he wants to be exempt from this. So he won't be. And here's the thing that the socialist seems to fail to factor in when you start taxing the people who produce the capital and produce the economy. And those are typically the wealthy. When you start taxing them at an exorbitant rate, what are they going to do? Leave. Now you have a city that isn't producing as much jobs or product or all these different things. There's just no way around it unless socialism inches its way closer into communism. And even starts, what do they do? Put barbed wire fences around the country lines or in the state, the state lines so that all the wealthy people don't leave. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, how many people do you know in Florida who are getting on

14:40rickety boats to escape to Cuba? Nobody. They're all coming in the other direction because Cuba doesn't have an economy worth trying to escape to. How many caravans do you know who are going from Texas to Venezuela? None. They're all going in the opposite direction because Venezuela doesn't have a good economy. We have a good economy and other freedoms. How many people when the Berlin wall was up was we're trying to go from West Berlin to East Berlin again, none. They're all going in the other direction because freedom breeds prosperity. And when you don't have freedom, when you have the government bearing down too much on business, you don't get freedom and you don't even get food. And this is not even debatable. And it amazes me. It amazes me that only eight Democrats said that socialism was a bad thing this past week when they were forced to vote on it in the house. Only eight, the other 200 and whatever in the house thought that socialism was good.

15:42They refused to condemn it. I'll go, are you out of your mind? Have you read a history book? You know what happened in the last century that more than a hundred million people were killed by their own socialist, last communist governments because socialism and communism do not breed prosperity. They don't make food. They don't make freedom and they kill a lot of people and history just shows this. And really, I think Phoenix, this is just a failure to understand human nature as we point out in the book. People are inherently bad and they need to be incentivized to do good. If you give enough people the means to do nothing and live off the government, they will do it. And that's the big problem. But how did all this go from Karl Marx just talking economics to now you got race is part of this and sexuality is part of this and religion is now part of this. You're either an oppressor oppressor.

16:43How did we get there? This is the piece that made it all make sense for me. And I think the best person who explained it to me through YouTube is James Lindsay. Phenomenal, like he's an atheist, we're praying for him, but great thinker and he really, really understands Marx. So I'll give you the very, very short version. Classical Marxism is about redistributing the capital, capital being power and in his context, the power came from finances. Well, when the Frankfurt School and academic group, again of German philosophers, saw that the revolution ever came and Marxism hadn't really panned out. They thought, well, wait a second, there's another form of power today that we're not really talking about. That is cultural power. Who has the most cultural power? Well, of course, it's the white heterosexual, Christian, citizen, male, capitalist, I guess.

17:43He has the most power. The citizen too. Yes, the citizen. The citizen too, able-bodied, all those things. So they took that concept, the transition from finances is being a form of capital to identity categories, being a form of capital or power, took it into the West and the American universities and it's just been infiltrating every level of academia now for the last 50 years. It's why people will now assume the worst of whomever has checks off the most demographic boxes that assigns them either power or non-power. So who do we know recently that fit pretty much all the boxes on the oppressor side? Yeah, let's go over that. And this is on page 192 and 193 of the book, The War on Reality.

18:44By the way, if you pre-order the book, it comes out Tuesday. So it's going to get you pretty quick. But if you want to read this before Tuesday or Wednesday by the time you get the book, just go to the waronreality.com, put your receipt in there and we're going to send you chapter 10 immediately. And this is the chapter again that I think, once you see this chart, it's going to be like a light bulb go off and you're going to go, oh, now I see. Why certain people are considered oppressors and other people are considered oppressed? Where they're getting this from because at this chart, by the way, that we sort of reprinted in our book comes from a critical theory book. We're not making this stuff up. This is what people believe who believe in cultural Marxism. They believe that oppressors are people who are white owning class or say rich people. They're men, they're heterosexuals, they're Christians, they're able-bodied, they're citizens and white settlers. And they believe anybody who has these other qualities are considered oppressed.

19:46So peoples of color, poor middle class, women, trans, LGBT. So you could add the tea to that, but non-Christians, disabled, immigrants and indigenous people. If you have those qualities, you're considered oppressed. Now here's the problem, well, there's a lot of problems with this, but here is one of the reasons that violence sometimes erupts because people think anyone who is white owning class, a man, a heterosexual, a Christian, able-bodied citizen, a white settler is automatically an oppressor and Charlie Kirk met every one of those categories. What of the sub-as-owned personal behavior he was considered an oppressor? In fact, I couldn't believe this actually happened. Maybe we can play this clip after the break, but the defense attorney in the pre-trial

20:50hearing last week actually called Charlie a hater. And we're going to play that after the break. It's hard to believe he said this, especially with Erica in the courtroom and Charlie's parents in the courtroom. And part of the reason he called a mahater was because of cultural Marxism will unpack that further. So Charlie, who was a very loving man and was on college campuses to try and help people know the truth and he would hand his opponent the microphone and say, if you disagree with me, please come to the head of the line. Let's have a conversation. You give me your best case and we'll have a conversation. Yet this guy called him a hater. The reason he called him a hater was because he disagreed with certain lifestyles. Okay. Does disagreement mean hate? Well, in packet after the break, but Charlie being a white owning class male, Heather sexual Christian, able-bodied citizen and white settler actually took a bullet because

21:51of that. Right. And on top of it, it reduces these people to complete stereotypes, which is just outrageous. And like you said, it doesn't matter what comes out of their mouth. The words are no longer judged by their credibility or how truthful they are, how knowledgeable they are. It's irrelevant. It's all about who said it. And the person who said it, this is where we have that section of what do we call it, oppression, jenga. You're trying to stack how many oppression categories you can claim because the person who has the most gets to hold the mic for the longest and the loudest. And yeah. A person that doesn't have any of them shouldn't be heard. So Charlie shouldn't have been heard according to this oppressed oppressor cultural Marxism binary, which again is expressed in a chart on page 192 of the brand new book, The War On Reality written by myself and the great Phoenix Hayes, my guest today, go to Christianbook.com or Amazon or wherever you get books, please get this book.

22:54I think it's going to be very helpful to you back right after the break. Could you answer this question? Why doesn't God let everyone into heaven or do all religions get you to heaven? Well, Frank Turekhan, and now you can watch him tackle the toughest questions from his latest college tour appearance. He real students challenge Frank and watch how truth stands up under pressure. Subscribe to our cross-examine YouTube channel right now to watch that cross-examine two words on YouTube and sharpen your faith for the real world. We're going to go to trial for Tyler Robinson, the man accused of murdering Charlie Kirk. We obviously had probable cause 10 minutes into the pretrial hearing back in July.

23:56In fact, experts that look at this kind of thing say that thing should have taken an hour, not two weeks and then a virtual two-month delay to decide this. Nevertheless, obviously it is going to trial. I don't know if you noticed this, but the defense was not trying to dispute the evidence that had Tyler Robinson pretty much dead to rights as the killer. What they were disputing was whether or not there were aggravated charges that could give him the death penalty. So they're just trying to save his life. They're not trying to say he's not the murderer. Even though he pled not guilty, he had to plead, plead not guilty. Otherwise there'd be no chance pretty much for him to avoid the death penalty. So that's actually what they're going to argue. But something happened during that trial. I was actually in, where was I when I was watching this?

24:56Oh, I was up at Western Carolina University, our first college event. By the way, we'll put that link in the show notes because I dealt with all these conspiracy theories in that talk. And I was watching, just I was watching like 10 minutes of it. And this defense attorney for Tyler Robinson began to actually badmouth Charlie Kirk. It's just a little over a minute clip. Here it is. Check this out. No evidence of Mr. Robinson having heard or seen anything specific from Mr. Kirk or having expressed anything about Mr. Kirk until the statement which basically says some hatred can't be negotiated out. So what is it? Is it political expression? Which political expression? It is true that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully of certain groups of people.

26:05He spoke hatefully of people who don't have traditional, norm-conforming gender identities. He spoke hatefully of people who are not strictly heterosexual. He spoke hatefully of people who have sexual relationships out of marriage. And yes, it is true that the evidence from Mr. Twigs is that he identified in a non-gender conforming way to his friends and that he was in a romantic relationship with Mr. Robinson. But that doesn't mean that those personal choices by Mr. Twigs and by Mr. Robinson equate with the hate that at least Mr. Robinson says he had toward Mr. Kirk. So we don't know what that is. I could not believe that this supposed polished defense attorney actually said this in court,

27:13especially given that Erica was in the court, courtroom, and Charlie's parents were, and many people who love Charlie on his team. Claiming that Charlie spoke hatefully, how does this guy define hate? Because if hate means disagreement, he's a hate or two because he's disagreeing with Charlie. By the way, this comes directly out of cultural Marxism directly out of it because if Charlie had qualities of an oppressor, he's automatically deemed a hate or I immediately texted Erica and the attorney for Erica Jeff Neeman. And I said, I just can't believe this guy said this. I'm so sorry. He said this. It's false. Number one. If his justification is because Charlie disagreed with, say, transgenderism that he's a hate or ladies and gentlemen, when you disagree with somebody, it doesn't necessarily mean you

28:16hate them. You may disagree with them because you love them and you want to prevent them from doing something that's going to hurt them and other people. This is, this is obvious. And yet this guy basically slandered Charlie Kirk, the victim of all this for some sort of end that what's he trying to do? Spare the murderer's life. I know that's his job, but you don't lie in order to do so. Phoenix, how do you see this? And what, what should Christians think about this kind of rhetoric? Where does it come from? I mean, it's so difficult not to just roll your eyes consistently as he states it as a matter of fact, is this, is though we're all in agreement that the words he spoke were hateful. Well, what an unbelievably subjective term to apply to a political figure like Charlie. Of course he didn't speak hatefully. He just simply did an affirm and that's been the number one lie of the last decade.

29:19If you don't affirm my lifestyle, if you speak out against it, if you quote, inconvenient stats about the mental health record of this community or the sexual transmission of diseases in this community or the way it harms children being raised without a biological mother or a father, all of that, I mean, reality isn't hateful. This is actually one of the points of the book, right? We can, we can try and rearrange these rules that they will argue are just society driven when they're not. These people are bumping up hard against rules written into reality that God orchestrated. And we sort of joke that, you know, they talk about how it's not fair and it's oppressive to not be able to have your own children. That's nature. Two men cannot have a child and it is not your right to then adopt or sorry get or whatever

30:19the case may be. So I guess nature is just hateful in the situation. Nature is kind of a bigot as we say in the book. Exactly, exactly, but it's outrageous. I just couldn't believe he actually said that. I mean, he's got to know better because of disagreement is hate. Everything he does in the courtroom every day is hateful because he's always disagreeing with the other side, right? That's his job to disagree with the prosecution of he's a defense attorney. He's disagreeing with the judge when the judge does a rule his ways. He a hater too. I mean, how do people who are supposed to be trained in reason and logic say things like this, maybe he's just lying. Maybe he's just doing it to try and and and get some sort of advantage. But Charlie always used to say this when the dialogue stops the violence begins. And in his case, it actually happened.

31:20How is this related to cultural Marxism? Well, this is so interesting. The fact that the the attorney you just quoted sort of wants to use language like the hate didn't equate to any language that Tyler had used and things like that. I thought we're not really quite measuring word for word. We're measuring measuring bullet to word. I'm afraid what he did was incredibly hateful. And so what's interesting is Marxism as a worldview is so anti-reality and so anti-basic human nature and morality and all these different things that though Tyler Robinson, who may not understand that he's been so indoctrinated with this cultural Marxist idea, it's become so invisible in the academic world and in the media, things like that. But that is what he was living out. Although there was a free access to the event, an open mic where he could have freely, not only attended and gotten in line, he would have been ushered to the front by the supposed fascist he declared he couldn't negotiate with.

32:24Rather than actually dialoguing, he killed. That was a choice. And that is the choice that people will make again and again and again when they are holding to a worldview that cannot be supported by reality because they know their arguments won't do anything because their arguments will collapse with the slightest nudge. As we point out in the book, The War on Reality, there was a survey done not long after Charlie was murdered. And 3% of very conservative people said that it's sometimes okay to use violence to advance a political point of view. 75% of very liberal people said it's okay to sometimes use violence to advance a political worldview. Translation, very liberal people, according to this survey are eight times more likely to say it's okay to commit violence to advance their political worldview or their political policy, whatever it is, which is a real problem on the left. And I think one of the problems or one of the reasons for this is what you just said,

33:24they can't using reason, logic and evidence support their position. You know, Dr. Geyser used to say this all the time. A lot of times when we would go to a college campus and present evidence or a church. And sometimes it's just self-contradictory statements people would make like they'd say there's no truth as the cultural marks is say. And then we asked them, is that true, right? I mean, it's obviously a self-contradictory statement. Instead of being reasonable, they would emot. And Geyser would always say, when people are caught in a contradiction, when people can't support their position, they don't tend to immediately say, you know, you're right. Yeah, I got to change my position here. What they tend to do is they get angry and they emote. By the way, we do this in our personal relationships too. I'm sure your husband and my wife many times have called us doing something and call this out on it. I'm not talking about adultery or anything. I'm just saying, you know, like we have this, you know, we're short with somebody. Or, you know, we're not kind and they call us out.

34:25Instead of us going, you know, honey, you're right. I wasn't coming. We go, stop that. You know, we're like, we, we emote back. Yeah. I mean, we don't like to be called on it. And it's part of the human condition. But we as Christians have to be aware that reality exists and we need to bring people back to reality. Now, Phoenix, I want you to go back to what you said earlier about the fact that these cultural Marxists and we're working from a chart on page 192 of the book, The War on Reality. If you have more of these identity groups as part of your identity, if you're a say poor, a person of color, LGBTQ, you know, you're disabled, you're an immigrant, you're a non-Christian, somehow you have more credibility. Explain that again, if you will. Yeah, we'll see, this is the interesting thing. Even if Charlie had been, let's say, a James Tayloriko, even if Charlie had been down there advocating for all the progressive ideologies out there, he still wouldn't have been entitled

35:30to the same mic, the same speaking time as someone who had the same views, but was a person of color or was part of the LGBTQ community. So, it doesn't, cultural Marxism strips away the words and the values in places a higher value on the source, on where the words are coming from. That's what matters most to them. And again, so because Charlie fits so many of those classical oppressor demographics, it made it permissible not only for him to be taken out by, according to some, but to then speak favorably about it for 12 months afterward online. Yeah, speak favorably about he was murdered. The son Piker has done that recently, mocked being Charlie Perk. Charlie said, back in 2016, you can tell a lot about a person about how, by how they react to when someone dies. Tragically, there's a lot of people on the left who have very dark souls celebrating the murder of an innocent man. We're back right after the break, don't go anywhere.

36:36Ladies and gentlemen, this Thursday is the one year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's murder. We're going back to Utah Valley University that night. There'll be several of us speaking, including Glenn Beck. It will be a worship service, but also a service to commemorate the great life that Charlie led. If you want to be a part of that, if you're anywhere near Provo, Utah, you can go. I think the tickets are free. Just go to Charlie Kirk legacy.com. Charlie Kirk legacy.com. You can register there. Do so quickly before tickets are gone. I think it will be live streamed as well. It starts at 630 mountain time. That's 830 Eastern on September 10th, 2026, Utah Valley University. It's freedom built to last honoring Charlie Kirk. As I say, I'll be there to do a short talk. There'll be a worship team. There'll be several other speakers, including Glenn Beck. I hope to see you there. Also want to mention that the history of medieval philosophy, the course by my mentor, the

37:43great Norman L. Geisler starts on the 14th of September. You want to be a part of this class. It's called the history of ancient medieval Western philosophy. One of the best classes I've ever taken. I'll take you all the way from the priests to the priests, all the way up to a quietness. If you want to know why people believe some of the stuff they believe now, you need to know what the ancients believe because there's a thread. There's a connection there. It will help you deal with so many of the issues you hear about today. Go to crossexamine.org. Click on online courses. You'll see it there. Also want to mention, I'll be at the University of Georgia, Lord willing on the 14th of September. That's Monday night. I'll be at the University of Georgia on the website. This book also will help you deal with so many of the cultural issues, the war on reality, recovering truth and a world that celebrates lies. It starts or it, it's released this Tuesday, September 8th. Thank you for ordering it. And I'm talking to my friend, Phoenix Hayes, the co-author of this book.

38:45And by the way, most of this book is written in Phoenix's voice. She's a great writer, very witty. There's a lot of fun kind of little jokes in here too because on our road to dystopia, we've got to lighten it up. But Phoenix, I'm about to talk about something very serious here. Before I do and bring you in on it, I want to point out that cultural Marxism is completely anti-biblical. If you look at the Bible from the Old Testament to the New Testament, do not pervert justice, do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly. It's Exodus 1915. If you go to the New Testament, stop judging by mirror appearances, but instead judge correctly, that's Jesus. Acts 10, God shows no partiality. Romans 2, God does not show favoritism. Galatians 3, there's neither June or Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor there's their male and her female. You're all one in Christ. James 2, do not show partiality. And yet that's all cultural Marxism does.

39:47In fact, it's a lot more sinister than that, isn't it? Phoenix? Because in the book, we point out that this goes all the way back to Satan. Explain. It really does. So I'm just going to read from this because it's much easier to, after hours of editing your own work, you realize it's a bit more succinct than trying to wing it. So what do we say? We say that if you accept that objective truth and morality are oppressive as cultural Marxism does, the gender norms, heterosexuality and the nuclear family are oppressive, again, as cultural Marxism does, and that Christianity itself is oppressive. You'll eventually have to admit that Jesus Christ himself is in fact oppressive. And so as our friend author and pastor Lucas Miles observes, he says, if Christ is the oppressor, eventually Satan will be viewed as the liberator. It's the oldest revolution in history and it started long before Marx picked up the pen. And that's exactly how he presents himself to Eve in the garden.

40:52He tries to tell her that it's not for her own good that she's been limited from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, but it's too harm her and that she actually needs to be liberated. So Satan becomes the ultimate liberator on this view. And evil is called good and good is called evil. G, where have we heard that before? Isaiah says, what are those who call evil good and good evil? Now we're being told by cultural Marxists that say LGBTQ is good, that kind of behavior and heterosexualism is not good. Yeah. Or we're being told that abortion is healthcare or we're being told that castrating children is good in healthcare. Evil is called good and good is called evil. Go ahead. That's going to say more than that. I'm hearing transgender women. So biological men who are now identifying as women, telling women that they are actually more woman than they are because they've actually thought it through and they've really

41:52assessed what the differences are between these different genders. And here you are as a biological woman. You just take it off a granted. You haven't earned it unlike me, a biological male who has had to fight to be able to recapture my body as a woman. And therefore I'm more entitled to it and I have a stronger voice as a woman. I mean, it's just nuts. And it never brings peace because it is a complete theory of conflict. The oppressors are always considered oppressors regardless of their personal behavior. They could be like Jesus, but anybody who's white, Heather, a sexual male, Christian, a citizen of the United States, you're automatically considered an oppressor even if you're very virtuous. And the other hand, you could be a total slug. You could be a criminal and yet you're still considered oppressed if you have qualities opposite of that. And so you can never ladies and gentlemen have a common unity, a community.

42:58If you continually pit people inside that community against one another based on non-behavioral qualities, yes, some of the qualities are behavioral sexuality might be, but race isn't. That's not a, that's not a behavioral quality. Whether your male or female is it, it isn't. I mean, whether you're a citizen or not, how does that affect behavior? You're not automatically bad if you're a citizen and automatically good if you're not a citizen. It doesn't affect your behavior, but this is the kind of conflict that cultural Marxism actually creates. I'm reading from the top of page 197. We say Satan loves Marxism because it's a philosophy of perpetual outrage, discontent and conflict. We can't rest because rest looks too much like peace and peace is the enemy of the revolution. Tare down the rich, then the religion, then the religious, then the family, then the

44:00self until there's nothing left to revolt against, but reality itself. Exactly. Tare down America. I mean, evil can only tear down. Phoenix, it cannot build up. Yeah. It just stores. Yeah. That's a different thought. No, no, no, that's okay. I'm 60. I have this condition on 64 and I lose my train of train of. But there is so much in this book. It's not just on Marxism. We could talk a lot more about it. What are some of the other chapters in the book? In fact, I think in the next podcast, we're going to talk about one of them, but give an overview of what else is in the war on reality, if you would, Phoenix? Well, of course, we, the second half of the book, we really get into more of the specifics. So we identify several battle fronts where we see reality being taken on. So we talk about the war on the family. We talk about which, of course, involves feminism, the deterioration of marriage, the erasure

45:02of gender distinctions. We talk about, there's a chapter called the war on information. We get into how much people are forming their ideas and beliefs about the world around them based on whatever the algorithm feeds them. What else we talk about? There's a chapter of course on politics, how we need to be engaged and not just turn a blind eye to it. We have a chapter on identity and that, of course, actually, it was the very first chapter we wrote, wasn't it? Where we, a lot of this stems from. War on the mind, too. Of course. What if the real battle is inside us? We talk about that. We also, obviously, the first chapter is about murder on campus. It's about Charlie. As we may have mentioned before, this book was being written when Charlie was murdered. And so as soon as he was murdered, we said this book needs to be dedicated to him because he was fighting for reality when so many people are against reality. He was a casualty of the war on reality.

46:02Now thankfully, you know where he is now. He's absent from the body present with the Lord. It really was that people didn't like the fact that Charlie, just like Jesus, was expressing reality and people wanted to suppress that truth as Romans one talks about. We talk about what are the rules of reality, what is the story of reality, how do we discover reality, why is there a war on reality, why is that the case? We even talk about the battle for beginnings, why is that important? Exactly. Because you're understanding of how we all got here and what kind of value was embedded into us or not at that time. Speaks volumes about how you're going to conduct yourself, how you're going to interact morally and just socially with people around you, with yourself, with family, all these things, depending on how you answer that question, not only the question of God, but the question of beginnings. And I want to read just from Erica Kirk's forward for just a minute, just because it's so profound. You don't have to get the book to read it. It's at thewaronreality.com or it's on the editorial comments on Amazon.

47:05But look, look, look at what she wrote here. She says, since September 10th, 2025, I've been faced with my own new reality, one that I still wrestle with as I attempt to grasp its earthly permanence. Quite honestly, it'll probably be like that for the rest of my life. Yet what I've realized is that redefining my reality isn't what gives me peace, surrendering to it does. Ladies and gentlemen, if we had to sum up why there is a war on reality, it's one word. Rebellion. We're in rebellion to the truth and the author of reality, Jesus himself. And so the final chapter in the war on reality brings us back to that point. And it talks about what ultimate reality is and why we're here. We even get into questions about heaven and hell. Yeah. So the war on reality, it's available now, friends. We'd appreciate it if you'd get it. It's available wherever you get books. It comes out on Tuesday. If you want to read the chapter on Marxism before then, just pre-order the book.

48:06Go to the war on reality dot com, put your little receipt there and we will get it to you. We'll also going to have a live zoom session for Q&A. Phoenix now will be a part of that within the first couple of weeks after the book comes out. So if you pre-order it, you'll be on that list. Phoenix, thanks for doing this. We're going to be together for next week's podcast as well. That's the great Phoenix Hayes, ladies and gentlemen, Phoenix Hayes dot com. Thanks for getting the book. We will see you here next time to talk about something that Christians, some of you Christians are going to hate. Sorry, we're just going to tell you the truth. Make sure you tune in for that. We'll see you here next time, God bless. Dr. Frank Turing is equipping people to think clearly about faith, truth, and today's toughest cultural issues. This is just the starting point. If you're ready to go deeper, explore Cross-examined online courses at crossexamined.org.