In Her Boots takes Ballymackey FC | "Nice to know they know how to look out for us" | AVIVA x OTB

Off the ball, GAA.

Not too many goals are scored outside the 21-year-end line and there's not too many players

in the country that I'd back to score a goal from that distance out, Aaron Galan is one

of them.

He was just, he was outrageous, outrageous at the beginning.

No, girls, I just started off by getting you to introduce yourselves for the camera.

Yeah, of course, I am Ava O'Rourke and I'm Evine Tadani.

Perfect.

And we're here at Balimaki Football Club, just to ask you, when did you start playing

football?

I think I was like seven or eight years old maybe when I started playing.

I think I was kind of on and off for a while, I didn't know the sport properly started

playing when I was about 11 and so.

Perfect.

I'm about the same, maybe even a little bit younger, I think about six.

And would football be one of the main sports in the area?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, obviously the GAA is big as well, but I do think soccer is up there.

Can you send me a little bit about the club that you have here?

We're in a lovely new hall.

I hear there's a phase two coming up soon.

Oh yeah, phase two, much, much anticipated.

So, yeah, no, Balimaki is really brilliant.

I think everyone here is so dedicated to the sport and they're so, like, you can tell

how much passion they have, like especially all the coaches, they really love spending

their time here and it's always so nice to, like, it's such a good environment, like

such a good learning environment, especially, like, for girls, I think, and younger girls.

What about yourself?

Yeah, we've really got facilities, as I've said, and like, we're, like, one club, we're

not just a women's club and a men's club, like, you know, you obviously, like, it's just

one big club altogether, so that's nice of us.

I actually saw on your Instagram that the bio of Balimaki football club is, it's not just

girls' football, it's not boys' football, it's just football.

Yeah.

Does it feel like that?

Oh, definitely, yeah.

Yeah.

And what team do you both play for?

Like?

It did, like, the age group.

Oh, I'm under 17, down to the 19s.

And I play under 19s and senior.

Oh, very good, yeah.

So, we were kind of chatting about the FAI initiative they did, it was called Inherboots.

Yeah.

I don't know if you were aware that some of your coaches were taking partners or not?

No, we were at the night.

Yeah.

You were at the night.

Ah, very good.

Let's see, there we go.

We should start with that.

And what did you think of it?

Like, first of all, I suppose, what would you think would the challenges that kind of maybe

needed to be addressed coaching girls, maybe as opposed to coaching boys?

Well, first of all, I found it so, like, interesting because it had never been something

that, like, really growing up along the line that we would have been taught about.

There was a lot of stuff about, like, menstruation and the importance of diet around that time

and, like, how your body's different and how that might affect training or exercises

that you might need to do.

So I found that really interesting.

And yeah, it was kind of just, like, different warm-ups that you could do that might increase

your, like, agility or your balance.

So it was actually just really interesting.

Yeah, had you ever kind of attended something like that before?

Not really, no.

So it was actually, it was something new and it was something different, but it was really

interesting.

Yeah.

What were your expectations going in?

Did you know what it was going to be about?

Well, not really.

I didn't really know what it was going to be about, but when I went in, I said, we learned

loads of exercises, and now we do the math to start training to help warm-ups, like,

you know, you feel a bit more confident going into training, knowing that you've done

everything you can for it, and then you're in it, what happens after that, so?

Was it nice to, were you doing it at the same time as your coaches?

Like, were you all in the same room learning to do either?

Yeah, we had a group of girls in our age group who were demonstrating all the drills

and stuff for the coaches, so they were watching us doing them, so yeah.

Was there anything that you think would be really helpful that the coaches know that

maybe, you know, you might end up brought up yourselves to them, but now that you were

all taught this together, you can talk about it more openly, going forward.

Thank you, Thawayne.

Well, I just think it was, like, good to know that they know as well.

Like, I know my dad is one of the coaches, and being a girl that, anyway, he would have

prior knowledge, but I think it was nice to get that sort of, like, professionally analyzed

and professionally taught, so it was actually just, it was really nice to know that they

now know how to look out for us when we're in that sort of situation.

I love that girls ask for it.

Yeah, he's a girl that.

Are both of your, both of your parents coaches?

No, just mine.

Just mine.

Yeah.

And do you think it makes it a little bit easier now, like, your dad, you'd be more comfortable

but maybe with a coach that, like, that isn't a parent, that you can talk to them about

anything that was covered in these, in these sessions.

I said, at least, they know now what we go through, so it's nice that, you know, if you

ever did have chocolate about it, like, they know from that night, so yeah.

Was there anything that kind of surprised you that was brought up in those sessions that

maybe you wouldn't have known before?

Yeah.

You know it, you know it, huh?

Yeah.

Like, so it's nice to know some exercises that we didn't know that would really, like,

work for us more than that would work for the boys that we learned some different exercises,

especially for, like, knees and pelvic area, we're like, that's where we need the warm-up

exercises, so it's nice to learn about them and how they affect us.

And you're doing them?

Yeah.

You've done them in start training as warm-ups.

Wow.

So what would be, what would be the kind of different, different things that you do?

Well, I suppose we used, like, a lot of, like, bending our knees and stretching our knees

and we do, like, low to jumping, just to make sure that we're landing right, because

the session with ACAs, like, if you land the wrong way, they can tear easily, so at least

you're warming your body up for training by doing those exercises at the session, so, yeah.

Brilliant.

And then before matches and stuff, we do, like, opening the gate, just open your hips

up, and we do, like, skipping to the front and landing properly and getting height, and

just the techniques was a big thing, I think, discussed and not, if I remember correctly.

But there won't be a quiz, don't I?

But yeah, no, it was just going into it, as I suppose we didn't really know what was

going to be at, but everything that we, like, did know going into it was further expanded

on, which was really nice, and we have now a more in-depth knowledge.

And a lot of the program is based on the pitch stuff, you know, like, specific warm-ups,

one aspect of the program as well as, kind of, off the pitch, and just general confidence

in being able to communicate a little bit better.

Did that come off for you, Israel?

That's definitely something we've been working on, because I know a lot of the girls

and our younger teams, especially, can be a bit shy, and we might not often train together

as much because there's other, like, commitments happening at the same time, but, no, it definitely

was a big thing that needed to be addressed.

I think we're getting better at it.

Yeah.

How important do you think something like this is for a football club?

You kind of, you know if your club has taken on board this program that's, like, the Instagram

I always said, it's not just a girls football club, it's just, it's a football club, you know,

and they're investing in you.

Yeah. Of course, it's so important to know, like, how to be able to help women, especially

with their bodies, because it's so different, and there hasn't been as much studies done

on this, you know what I mean?

It's good for, like, individually players, like, so they know they're being treated the

way that they should be, and that the coaches do actually have a good understanding of their

limits, and, like, where, I don't know, cut off points would be, I don't know, I'm kind

of waffling now, but it's not about that's all we do.

Yeah.

No, but it's just good to know that they have a good understanding of what we're going

through.

Yeah, and what do you think now that they might, they might understand you as a group a

little bit better?

Yeah, I definitely think so, and I feel like that's what some girls might look if they want

to come join a sport, like, if the club is a bit more understanding, then I feel a bit

more confident coming in on other coaches will understand what's going to you, and even

the teammates around them would know what's going to you, so I feel like that can be very

good for girls who want to come and join a sport, if the club offers that.

Yeah, and to come and join it, and as well as supposed to stay going, we hear so much

about girls strapping out a sport, do you think a program like this helps maybe the coaches

understand why you like playing, because a lot of the time it's not just winning, you

know?

Yeah.

You know, a lot of the time it is just kind of wanting to hang around with your friends,

and like, for coaches to know that, so like, training doesn't need to be very serious

all the time, like, you can have the fun aspects, and I feel like definitely our training

to always have to like laughter is in there, drills and stuff, and that definitely helps,

like, you always feel welcome when you come here, and you're not afraid to make a mistake

and being told off, or like, you just laugh at it, so it's nice to know that it's not

very serious, and like, you know, you enjoy your trainings when you're here, so.

Yeah.

Do you think there's been a bit of a change, so since then, her boots program?

I definitely think the social aspect has been more addressed and more understood, because

I think the boys generally take us a little bit more seriously than the girls, like, they're

a lot more competitive, even watching their trainings before our senior women trainings

on a Friday night.

They're yelling at each other, but they're like, it's not all encouragement, but it's

time.

It's definitely some form of encouragement, but anyways, no, it's lovely to know that

the social aspect can stay, like, true to what girls want to do, and it definitely makes

it more enjoyable to know that you can have a good time at your friends and not be afraid

of making mistakes.

And you mentioned that you train with the senior team, you're hoping maybe that more

girls now will join that at a later stage as well.

They even are now.

Like, we've under 15's playing with seniors, and it's such a lovely environment, because

all the women just, they all want to be there, and they're all bringing each other on,

and it's just such a lovely environment.

Really?

And the women's national team, you know, we had a little bit of a hiccup with the last

two glasses, but do you follow them a lot?

Do you think, like, there's a lot of coverage of them going around?

Oh, definitely.

I think with the past three years, especially since the women's work-off was kind of when,

you know, like, I only started watching them, I think, before the women's work-off, and

since then, I've fallen on every game.

So, definitely since then, there's been a lot more coverage on them.

So it's nice to see, like, young girls, like, there's loads of young girls matches now,

and you can see them looking up their own models, so, yeah, it's definitely improved

with the past four years.

Yeah, and do you think the future is bright for girls football in Ireland, and Bally

Mackie?

Definitely.

Yeah.

Definitely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, let's start by getting you to introduce yourself and your role in the club here.

Yeah.

So, my name's Keirna Rourke, and I'm the under 12, under 13, under 17, under 19, and

seeing your women's coach.

Not all head coach, but I help every coach in all those teams.

I'm also the child protection officer, and I look after some registrations as well.

So you're not a busy man at all?

No, no, no, no.

And I have a work and other things to be at, but it's like I said to everybody else,

you wouldn't do it if you didn't love it, so, you know, if you want something done,

you ask a busy person, doesn't that what they say?

Yeah, yeah.

Could you tell us a little bit about Bally Mackie?

We kind of just came off the motorway, so I haven't even had a chance to drive through

the area.

What kind of a size of a club it is?

We've approximately, as far as I know, about 400 members, under 18 members, there'd be

two senior men's teams, and senior women's team as well.

I've been seeing the club behind us for just over 50 years old now as well.

Obviously, we've been situated where we are, just outside Nina, huge GAA, influence around

us here.

So soccer would definitely be playing kind of second-fedal to hurling in this area.

Having said that, an artillery football has been very, very strong over the last number

of decades, and yeah, we're holding our own, as they say.

And what led you to get involved with the club as a coach?

Do you have kids playing?

Oh, yeah.

I have two daughters playing.

So basically, I was, they were kind of six, seven years old, whatever it was, and I'd

brought them up here, and they were trying out football, and I was standing at my arms

folded, watching it, and one of the other coaches came up and said, would you like to help

give us a hand?

And next thing you know, you're coaching numerous teams, you're on the committee, you don't

get away that easily, but yeah, it's like I said, it's great club to be involved in,

and like I said before, if I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it.

So I have a lot of football I always have.

And being her boots campaign, then what was going to your main motivation for signing

up for that?

Well, it's been, being because our two daughters playing, so when I'm coaching those teams

as well to get an insight into what we should be doing better as a club, as you know, as

a dad of two daughters, I have a fair idea of what's going on, but you have to understand

them as well.

How does that translate into football side of things?

How do you make sure that on a given day certain girl might be going through something in

her menstrual cycle, or whatever it might be?

A lot of men kind of just kind of go, okay, you know, girl issues, we look to her away.

Yeah.

It's okay.

So there was an awful lot of insight into the nutrition side of it, kind of the flexibility

and you know, warming up and that kind of thing, doing things properly, that's different

for girls than for boys, obviously they're an atom, these are different.

So there was an awful lot of insights into stuff like that, which you kind of know in

the back of your mind, but you don't, not that you're afraid to bring it forward, but

you kind of have to say, well, yeah, boys are different to girls, we have to do things

differently for them, we have to treat them differently because, you know, they're playing

the same sport, but there's differences that have to be addressed and taken care of and

not to have to.

Yeah, and for things like the menstrual cycle, do you find that it maybe took a little

bit of the stigma out of having the conversation with, you know, you'd be comfortable maybe

chatting to your daughters about it, but other kids on the team that when you've all been

in a room with professionals from the FAI.

Oh, absolutely.

And what I found is as well, like I say, a lot of men would be run a mile from talking

about us, but I think the generation we have now is a lot more open when we talk about

these things a lot more and especially in a club like this where, you know, we're kind

of 60-40.

We were nearly 50-50 boys and girls at one stage a few years ago.

60-40.

60-40.

Yeah, but we were definitely 50-50 a few years ago, but, you know, that's tremendous numbers

and, you know, you get the girls coming and they keep coming back, which is terrific.

And as long as you can keep understand that the girls are different, they have different

needs, you need to treat them differently, that maybe, as I've said, you know, the boys

are a lot more competitive and the girls maybe, you know, we have girls that come to training

that don't play matches.

Yeah.

But they're getting exercise and they're having fun and they're enjoying their playing

football.

Maybe they don't want to go out and get into the thick of it on a Saturday morning

and that's fine too.

So you have to understand where, you know, that each girl is different, each team is different.

Like I say, there's avenues for, you know, girls who are playing younger age groups to

play up to get more football, weekend, week out as well.

Is there anything throughout the sessions?

Maybe that surprised you that you were like, God, I'd never thought of it that way or...

Um, I'm just talking to you on the spot, I don't know.

Well, well, it's to do with the, actually, the difference, um, giving you an example,

pelvic floor.

Yeah.

Okay, so pelvic floor came up on us mentioning about how you do your squats properly

and all of this kind of stuff never would have occurred to me.

Yeah.

Never would have occurred to me that that is something we need to, you know, strengthen

condition in girls, do build it in as part of our warm-up as part of our stretches, maybe

even as part of some of the fun games we do during the warm-up session, you know, that

kind of thing.

Um, it's, it's, it's, it's hard to get into a specifics on what exactly it is, but

yeah.

Kind of, as a whole, you have to realise that, you know, it's not just about doing two laps

of the pitch and a few stretches and half you go, yeah, like it might have been when I

was learning to play football, you know, um, that there is, there is a process and a reason

behind every, every warm-up you do and why you're stretching certain parts of your body

and why you're, you know, doing your squats and, and your pelvic floor exercises and stuff

like that as well.

And have you noticed a difference now in, in the girls and the groups that were involved

in the training, haven't finished up the program in the sessions?

Um, well, when we did that session here, um, what was it?

It was just over 18 months ago, the girls and that they're kind of under 17 and I'm

reading now.

But what's happened now is, um, the stuff we got, you do it from under 12s and the 13s

upwards and you're building in that they don't even realise they're doing it, to build

it in is kind of a fun game as it's part of the warm-up training and it's really a

racism.

You know, they don't know that that's what they're doing, but as they get a bit older,

you can explain to them that, you know, it's important that you have, you know, your

right nutrition that you do, your stretches properly that you're, you know, working

on core muscles that are important for you as a female player and maybe you don't need

to tell them that when they're 11, 12, 13, but they'll realise when they're, you know,

avian avians age that when they're 16, 17, 18, that yeah, you need to be wary of these

things and that they're very important.

Two girls, absolutely.

We're able to speak.

I'm sure we talked about the communication aspect and it won't be a problem for them.

And I think going forward, but it's a, the future of the club seems to be in very safe

hands from what the coaches and the players perspective.

Yeah, oh, absolutely.

And, you know, we're encouraging more and more parents to get involved and, you know,

as part of the, my role is to try to protect an officer and doing guard eventing and stuff

like that for parents as well.

They come in and go, oh, I haven't got a clue.

I don't know.

And, you know, it doesn't matter.

Just come in and get involved.

To pick it up as you go along, it's, you know, we're, we're very open to, to new volunteers

all the time.

And, like I said, you might find yourself on a committee and get a job in a few years,

but so be it.

It's, it's great to give something back as well.

And if you were with other clubs and other coaches out there thinking they'd take in

part in the program, what would you say to them?

Well, absolutely.

Yeah, it's vital.

And especially with keeping girls playing sport, you know, where we are in our temporary

we've, we're, you know, we're in direct competition, Kamogi a lot.

And, you know, we've always, we always kind of know our place as we're in the scheme

of things.

But at the same time, then we've got girls here that football is their only sport.

And it's important to keep them playing and to keep girls in ball and sport, but what

you find is when they get to kind of junior, third age, different pressures come along and

go, oh, I've got exams.

I can't play football, especially I guess the leaving start then.

And the numbers just drop off a cliff.

And even our under 19's team at the moment, you know, on your Facebook memories, it can

be a photo of them when they're under 12, you can actually count to the mouse.

There's only two of them still playing football.

Wow.

There's some of them still playing Kamogi in other sports, but there's still, there's

only two out of a team photo of whatever it was, 12, 13 girls at the time, under 12.

Yeah.

And we're still playing soccer with the club.

Would you be hoping that in a couple of years time now that that's, that's that would

be different?

It'll take time, but yeah, I think the importance and that there's a lot of

media attention on it as well about the importance that exercise and team sport plays, especially

in keeping girls from social aspect more than anything else.

Yeah.

Great if you're competitive and you're all brilliant footballers and you're winning cups

and trophies every year, so be it.

But I think we know our role as grassroots coaches is keep them playing, keep them coming

out every Tuesday and Friday for training, get them showing up on Saturday mornings,

remain held or shined, you know, get them out because it's so important for their mental

health and exercise, you know, obviously obesity crisis is coming on, so anything you can

do to keep girls playing football or any sport as far as that goes, is has to be encouraged

yet.

Yeah, real hand or shine, I think we're out now in the real, real hand and wins at the moment,

but you're about to go do a session we might say, we might continue on the chat.

No problem.

Thanks so much, Karen.

So, we might just start off by getting you to introduce yourself and tell us which

you're role in the club.

So my name is Aby Delaney, I currently as well as being as playing on the senior team,

I also hope I have some of the coaching for the women's teams like 17s and 19s, that's

me.

Yeah, we have to give a notable mention to your brother John, who is supposed to be here.

My dad is supposed to be here, he is the head coach of the senior team as well as the 19s,

so she is unfortunately stuck in Thailand, so he sends a second message.

Take one look outside there and say fortunately, so he's not here, so.

Abley feeling the boots, when did you get involved in the club, was it first as a player

as a coach?

Yeah, so I've been a Palamaki since I think under 6s and 8s, so my dad was coaching at

the time and I started off with the boy's team, so I think around when I was in her 10,

it was transition that he took the women's team, so I was the first girl's team when I've

been playing ever since, and then when I was around 15 or 16, I started doing some of

the coaching courses and doing some of the FBI summer camps and helping out, so.

What made you want to get into coaching?

It's unusual that people want to get in that early, like it's great.

I suppose I've just started by soccer, I've seen my dad's always been coaching and he's

a good mentor to a lot of people, but I think another bit of it is that there's not that

money.

For me, seeing I had never had a woman's head coach, so I think it's really important that

there should be and it's actually amazing that there hasn't been, so that was the encouragement

and this club is good at encouraging a lot of young people, a lot of women's to do some

of these coaching courses and get started earlier.

Brilliant, and doing the Inherboots campaign, is that something that fills you with confidence

then, because you obviously had the ambition to do it, but now there's something in place

that you can play off of doing this?

Yeah, I think it was really good, I think it's good for visibility, for even like all

of the other head coaches and even the girls themselves, so that they feel like they've

been seen and their needs are understand, like I've played with both the boys and the

ones team, and you know, the trainings at the same, they're the same, and they really

shouldn't be when we look at it like this, so that there's injury prevention for women's

that needs to be highlighted, and just the training needs to be different, that like

I've seen all of my teammates when I was under 14, that I'm the only one left standing

in the senior team.

Yeah.

Now, we do have good players that they've come back from other clubs, but this just

not the same players, and some of it is, you know, we want it to be a bit of fun training,

it's not as competitive as the boys team, and there is the competitiveness as well, but

it's to be able to come training and not feel that you need to be able to perform your best

all the time, and that, you know, making mistakes is okay, and it's encouraged, and that's

what we want to do here in the club, and it's good that this is highlighted, that's

the main takeaway that, you know, it's to have fun and to keep playing, and that's what

we want.

Yeah, and it's fantastic, I think that both the players and the coaches are in the room

at the same time, because you probably rarely get that level of honesty between younger

girls, especially maybe afraid to say that they might feel a little embarrassed in saying

that, I'm not here for the complete competitiveness, I just want to spend some time with my friends,

but it's a great way to have those kind of discussions as well.

Yeah, that there is a social aspect of it, and that you want people to come and just

have fun and not feel like they have to be really good or to be the best, but we want

to keep people playing, and, you know, and even see that, that people that might have

taught, that they didn't want to play, but now they're so much better than they were,

just because by just keeping showing up and by having a bit of fun and by learning,

like, it's really good to see.

Yeah, was there any aspect of, you know, there's a lot of retention and nutrition and injury

prevention before going into it, was there an aspect that kind of interested you the most?

I think the main aspect for me was the retention, because it's the people that I see around

me that would have left, and it's good to highlight why are they leaving and why aren't

they saying, and, you know, compared to the men's game, you know, they have much higher

retention.

So, I think it's something that's good to be highlighted and to be seen, and what can

we do better to help that, and also, again, go back to the injury prevention, that is

some of the reason that we get girls leaving, that they get injured, and they'll never come

back.

Yeah.

So, those two things are key highlights for me.

And do you think, for your age group now, say, in ten years' time, that there would be

a lot less drop off, because coaches have these two's, and they're tailoring their sessions,

and it's less of the kind of one size fits all approach?

Yeah, I think so.

I think that, even now you see, like, a lot of the, even the other girls are saying that

the 15s and 16s are training up with the seniors, like, you wouldn't have, we didn't

have a senior team even years ago, but you wouldn't have got that, because a lot of

there is a confidence thing, and, you know, they don't want to be playing with these older

women, and that they're almost afraid to, but, you know, if you have this ground, that

it's okay to come, and we just want you to come and play, and all of that, and then

go back to the injury, if there's less injuries, you're going to keep playing, so that's...

Yeah.

And in terms of, like, grassroots football clothing, a lot of the time, when we speak

about women's football in Ireland, like, even myself, you can just go straight to the

international team, and just think of it on that scale, but, like, how important is it

for you to be part of a club like this?

It's, it's really good to be part of a club like this.

I think we're really good at the, how much women demand ratio is here, and it's one

of, it's probably the best clubs, and I do something like that, so it's really good

to see that we do have that, keeping that retention, it's the club's around us, that it's

probably the most difficult, that we don't see as many teams that we could play against,

and that kind of thing.

And it's also that we're good at highlighting to some good female mentors, that we've

tried to organize trips to see the women's team play, and that, so it's, and it's really

good to see that all the girls are excited to go as well, and that there is a good interest

and uptake in that.

Yeah, and I suppose it's great to see someone like yourself taking up that role of maybe,

you know, you didn't have a role model as a female coach, but now you're becoming

that?

Yeah, I think it's, I think it's really important, like, I've played a lot of teams coming

up, and I've played on, like, North tip teams, and the club all along, and there's just

actually, there's never been even, like, an assistant coach, it's always kind of been,

like, as you know, like, equipment manager or something, so it's something that, that

it would really want us, you should see more in clubs at that level coming up, and a lot

of times it is, like, parents and stuff that take it up, but I think it, to be encouraged

more, it would be great for the younger girls coming up, that they have someone like

that, and just go back to issues, that it's easier to highlight them at the end of

the day, you know, you bring up that, there is some topics that, even the more you highlight

them about the menstrual cycle and all of that, but they won't be seen as, as it would

be, a woman coach, so yeah, if you were chatting to any club out there, or, like, a player

like yourself who's maybe thinking of doing the program, but they, like, you said, maybe

they liked that, that the confidence, they weren't sure, how would you say to them?

That there's, that everything should be talked about, that there's no, that there's nothing

to be embarrassed, and even the more you talk about it, the less, like, the less, that

I should, I suppose, I don't want to say that, it needs to be hushed, or whatever, so

the more we talk about it, the less it becomes an issue, and, you know, more people can

be encouraged to talk about things, and, you know, it's something that needs to be highlighted,

so I think we should be, you should be encouraged to talk about it more, and, you know, you should

say that step forward, and be the one to talk about it.

Yeah, and yeah, it's just funny, you're playing with the senior team here, what's your

favorite thing about football?

Great thing, what's my favorite thing about football?

I think my favorite thing is actually the team around me, I think we have such a good

team here, and the girls around me, you know, they make you want to come back, and, you

know, we've really good friends here, and that's, and that's the main thing, like, we

have fun in the training, and that's, and that's why we get people to come out, and,

and it's, it's, we're, we're quite competitive, but it's not a serious training all the

time, and I think that's really important.

There seems to be such a big sense of pride, everyone that we spoke to about this club,

it's a...

Well, we love that period, you know, and, you know, I think this good practice, also,

I suppose, my dad's always been coaching me, so, and I think this is a great initiative,

because, you know, it's funny, my dad's, but come home, and we'd be talking in the

car, and then we'd home for a match, and he'd be like, talking about the menstrual

cycle to me, and he was, like, the impact on the game, and, you know, he's really interested

in it, and I think that's, one of the things to take away, you know, this is something

that I always know about it, for these coaches, and it's something that they're really taking

on board as well, that's what I've seen, so.

Brilliant, excellent, David, thank you so much, let's look.