Inside Boxing | TKO, Oscar De La Hoya testify before Senate committee, what's next for Devin Haney, weekend picks

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It is Wednesday, April 22nd. We're doing it a little bit early this week, but a lot of

boxing news. We're just going to get to May. Like this month hasn't been the greatest

with the fights. We got to get to May because I'm looking at the May schedule and it looks

outstanding. We are so spoiled, Dan. We went, we went months. We used to go months without

like really good fights. Now we go two weeks and we're like, oh, can't wait till May.

We're wishing away our lives right now, Dan. That's that's that's how that's how

we're wishing our regular lives to get to our boxing lives. That's that's that's how

important boxing is to us. But yeah, no, May is going to be incredible. We've had a great

year so far. Boxing is is alive and well in flourishing if you ask me. But yeah, no, May

is going to be sick. I'm super excited for even next week. This is like, this is like

a dead week. We don't have a whole lot going on. Last weekend wasn't a whole lot. This

week is not a whole lot. But next week, it becomes preview time for May. So next week is

anything. Yeah, huge month. We ending April, um, 20 yoka versus, uh, holy fight off.

We got a lot of that. We got a lot of that one. So like, you know, fights falling. Wasn't

that strong of a month to begin with, but when fights fall out when it's not that strong

of a month, then, you know, yeah, but you say boxing's flourishing and it's it's in a great

spot. I tend to agree. We are fans of this work and it always be better. Yes. Um, they

just wrapped up the Senate committee hearing for the Ali Revival Act in Washington, DC,

which saw Oscar Delahoya, Nico Ali, Walsh, Nick Khan of TKO and Tim Shipman who represents

the ABC. I'll speak on behalf of their entities. Obviously, Nick Khan representing TKO, Zufa

and the changes that they want for the Ali act. Oscar Delahoya in opposition of it, Nico

Ali Walsh, grandson of Muhammad Ali in opposition of it, Tim Shipman, just sitting there and

not offering much of anything, but clearly that they are going to be working with Zufa as

what's what I gathered from Tim Shipman's involvement in it. Yeah, Dan, you have to fill

me in because I wasn't, I mean, we're doing this right now. It's like it, this literally

just wrapped. I was on a live with with pro box TV for the past couple hours while this

was going on, looking at my phone as you're texting me about it. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm

hearing this first, first hand, just like everyone else who's listening to us right now from

what you saw. Was that anything groundbreaking? Wasn't anything groundbreaking? It's a lot

of what we already knew. Like we know that what Zufa's pushing for. We knew what the resistance

is pushing for. And it's just, I think it's a foreground conclusion that this bill will

go through. There might be some minor alterations to it because they did listen to the, you know,

Nico, Lee Walsh's side and Oscar's side in terms of little things that could change

with it. But ultimately, this is going to go through. And I thought it was very chummy.

There was a Senator, Senator Moreno from Ohio straight up used this platform to beg Nick

Khan to bring Russell Mania to Ohio. And they were just chumming it up up on the stage.

You know, he also told Nico Lee Walsh, I had a poster of your grandfather up on my wall.

So there was, it just didn't have like the vibe of like a serious, serious thing. Like

I did like that. It didn't get too contentious. And each person spoke. There was no interruptions.

But I didn't think there was any massively big changes that are going to come for this.

But there were definitely some takeaways. I thought Nick Khan was the most prepared. I

thought he was the most eloquent. And I thought he really drove home his point. And that's

not shocking because he's Nick Khan. He's one of the most powerful, was one of those powerful

agents in the world is a lawyer. And he's now the figurehead of TKO. He got his points

across. And he really hammered home the nostalgia aspect. Hey, guys, do you remember the eighties

how great boxing was? You remember the nineties to this committee that doesn't know boxing

at all. But remember when Marvin Hagler was the middleweight champion of the world, even

though there were four, he was like the three belt holder at the time. And look at what

it is now. He brought up today's middleweight division, which was very smart at his

partner. So as you listen to the show, we all know it's a dumpster fire of a division.

He went through all the champions and you never heard of these guys. They don't fight

each other. Look back in the day when Marvin Hagler was the champion. Meanwhile, Hagler

held three different belts and Oscar did push back on him. But that was Nick Khan's stance

as nostalgia. Boxing isn't what it used to be because of what we let happen to it. The

chaos, the confusion, let us come in with Zufa and these UBOs clean everything up, make

the fighters more money and bring boxing back to the forefront. So that was Nick Khan's

stance in all this Oscar push back with the things that I wanted Oscar to push back on.

He just didn't do it eloquently enough and he could have went a little further. Talked

about how the promoters should always let the fighters know about the full revenue.

They should always get 80% of the revenue. They should always get all of that. So that

was good for Oscar, but I felt like he didn't go far enough.

Well, that's powerful coming from Oscar, who's a promoter who in his best personal interest

would not want all the money to go to that much money to go to the fighters. That's a big

deal.

As much as Oscar was much of a let down, he's still Oscar Delohoja and I give him credit

for going. He still holds weight, especially in front of this committee. They don't know

much of anything, but they know who Oscar Delohoja is. So I do give Oscar, I did get on pretty

hard afterwards, but it's still Oscar and he's one of the best fighters of all time and

there's also a current heavyweight promoter. So it was nice to hear him say that and in

some of those things, I just thought he could have went, he could have been a little more

prepared. The star of it, I thought was Nico Ali Walsh, grandson of Muhammad Ali. He

raised a lot of the points that I wanted to say if I was up there was if you guys have

such a, if passing is so broken or if you guys have such a great thing going with Zufa,

why you want to change everything? You know what I mean? Why are all these UFC fighters

complaining about fighter pay? Why is there a $375 million antitrust lawsuit if everything

is so great? And he said the number one thing that I wanted to make sure that was said

today was if you're going to go ahead and be the end, the less promotion standing, if

Zufa has their way, they are the last promotion standing. We don't know how long, how many

years that's going to take for that to happen. There won't be a choice. You'll have all

the control there will not be a choice if you were the last promotion standing because

that's what Dana White has been saying. That's what Zufa's talking point has been with

this revival act is, oh, we're going to have a choice. If you're a fighter, you can

sign it to the UBO or you don't have to sign it to the UBO. But if Zufa has their way,

they're the last promotion standing, you don't have a choice. Then they lower the percentage

down to 15% of the revenue. And then they have a monopoly. So I really liked what Nikolay

Walsh said up there. He got the point across, but ultimately nothing's going to change.

This is going to go through. It's going to get happened regardless. There's going to

be some minor alterations to it. They did listen, but oh, no, I thought it was a pretty much

a colossal waste of time. But it's, it, the sport's going to change. And how long and

how big of a change that remains to be seen. Yeah. And it's unfortunate. You got a guy

like Khan up there. Who's a lawyer? And obviously he's going to speak eloquently. He's going

to come prepared. This is what he does for a living. And you got Oscar speaking who holds

a lot of weight because of who he is. But in terms of delivering the information, you're

not. And Nikolay Walsh, again, I didn't hear this yet. I, I, but you said he did a good

job. And I'm, I believe you. He's a smart kid. He speaks well. But again, he's not a

lawyer either. He does of it. His name attached to this thing. But he's a young guy. He's been,

he's relatively novice in the sport. So yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just tough

because we're so fractured. Boxing is so fractured. So any kind of pushback that we ever could

put together, it's pretty hard to squash by powerful beings and powerful entities, which

is what these, you know, this, this is with the TKO and this coming through. But I agree

to you, I, this, this, this is going to get hammered through. These are powerful people

who know how to do these kind of things. And I've been doing it for a long time. The fact

that it's going so fast shows you how powerful this group is. The fact they're going to get

Congress to move on boxing is wild, especially like, like, when Wally Walsh said, there's

a $300 million anti-trust thing going on right now. Yeah, that's, that's still going

on. And there's still a bit of hammer this through. It just shows you that you're not going

to stop this thing. But in terms of what it does to the sport moving forward, I don't

know. I don't know. And in terms of what the fixes, I don't know. You've been at, you

could be asking me for the past 20 years what boxing needs to be better. And I don't have

it. I don't have a clear cut. Can size way to get there. I don't think anyone really

does. It would take a lot. I don't know how this is all going to pan out. I don't know,

you know, how, how we fix this thing. I always thought that the Muhammad Ali act needed

more teeth and more, it could be expanded upon and, and still manned rather than completely

abolish and rewritten. So, yeah. But again, this is, this is boxing. Nothing will save

it. Nothing will kill it. And this is not going to save it. This is not going to kill

it.

Yeah, there will, there will be resistance. We're seeing that kind of now from the promoters

all forming together under the zone to put on the best fights and give the consumer the

best product going forward. But like we said, numerous times on this show. And then if

you've been following along, you know the, the grand scheme is for them to pass this

legislation, get all their tux in a row, signed fighters to exorbitant purses, just because

you got to do that. That's, that's not going to change in boxing. That's just been going

on for the last 30 years as a new money man comes in. They throw counter band money. They

throw burlanga money, throw hitches money. And then you gradually change the, the economic

structure of the sport over years. This is the Zufa plant. And then they are controlling

boxing. The, the, the point in between that is how long that will take the point in between

that is how much resistance will there be from matchroom, from golden boy, from top rank,

from the, quote unquote, establishment of boxing. That remains to be seen. And that could

take several years. That could take 10, 15, 20 years. Depends on how much money they want

to put up. Depends on how much money Zufa's willing to put up. Depends on what fighters

are willing to sign where managers, all the things about boxing that are make it chaotic.

And to me, make it exciting. I love that Nicole Lee was brought up the uniforms. I was like,

let's go. He brought that up. He brought that up. Yeah. He was great. He brought up the uniforms.

I have the tweet here. The tweet is going off right now. It's got like 2,000 likes.

Uh, Nicole Lee references Zufa boxing's uniform policy, which restricts sponsorships and says,

you know, not only in, you know, does the uniform allow us to represent ourselves and individual

themselves, individuality, but you also are able to put sponsorship on the, the, the trunks

and allows us to make some money under the UFC model, which we've seen. He also mentioned

that the Zufa boxing cards are bland and corporate. And we can already see that they're installing

uniforms and they don't want sponsorships on them because it's the same exact thing

that the UFC is doing. So they allowed Nick Khan to answer that. And he said, well, under

this, we will have a uniform sponsor deal, which the fighters will get a hold of. Then that's

when Oscar said, like, yeah, but do the fighters get to see that money? Do they see what's

in the pot? Or is it just one uniform thing? So that was a good moment there from, uh,

Nicole Lee was, I do want to bring up something that Oscar real quick. Oh, from, from, from

sponsorship deals, I had one sponsor in the pack alpha. That was six figures. And it was

just took care of just to wear something on my, on my person. Just, just a record, six

figures for one sponsor. That's what I mean. I guarantee it's not going to be that for

the Zufa thing. Of course, that was part of Nick's cons. His retorts to a lot of everything

were, let's get a collective company in here, conglomerate that will come in and get

trading card deals, video game deals, sponsorship deals. Again, what percentage of that close

to the fighter? That's what I mean. Like I'm not too privy to the, what UFC has. I know

for a while they had venom. Did they still use venom for their fight kits? Or is it a

new one? I don't know who it is now, but it was to my point before though. Like my sponsorship

where I got six figures, you know what percentage of that went to me? All of it. 100%.

That's what I mean. And that's what I'll leave exactly. That's the beauty of it. That's

what I'll leave also was trying to say. Whereas with Nikon, he's saying, all right, you're

not, there's going to be money in the pot. And it's going to be dived out. But it's going

to be just like a corporation where they're trying to say like his old point was it's so

chaotic in the, it's such a wild west sport. The top guys are getting the money. You're

like you, you're the top guy at the time. You're fighting Manipack. You know, you're

going to get the his, I think his argument would be what about the undercard guy? What about

the mid level guy? And that's the argument for Zufa. That's the argument for TKO. And

because I do think our audience, there's some people that are foreign and some people

that are against, I'm not saying that this is like the end all be all. I think you

would agree there too. Like there are parts of the revival like that. I think are good.

Like the health insurance, the, you know, some getting these guys into the performance

institute and the, the, the deal they have with Paramount is, this is all good things.

So I, I ultimately don't fully agree with it. But there are some good aspects of it as

well. Yeah. But you also got to see how it shakes out because they were, they were good

aspects of the original Ali act that were not really actionable. You know, and they,

you know, we got to see how these things work out. And that's, that's how all this, this

is, you can say all the things under the sun. But what is actionable? What are we actually

going to see? What kind of changes are there going, you know, really going to be? And

that's only going to play out with time, unfortunately. And when, and, you know, the

guys who are in it now, like, so she right now, these guys, they don't really care.

They got a platform. They, they, they're getting paid well right now. Um, but I, I haven't

seen this about myself. Like I never knew how much money I can make as a fighter. I never

thought I'd be a millionaire being a boxer. Yeah. I was used to fighting kickboxing. I

was fighting for world titles for a couple grand. And I was happy to win world titles there.

And that, that was my dream. And then when I took it to boxing, I was like, yeah, you

know, I'll, I'll go out there and I want to fight. I didn't care about as much about

the money. I didn't realize they could be a millionaire. And then when I got to making

millions of dollars, I was like, wow, this is, this is great. And that a lot of these young

guys may not understand, you know, what they actually can do. And they're, they're, they're

going in now like, oh, I got, I got this. I got, I'm getting, I'm getting free food.

I remember the kid, uh, Maryweather was talking about the food he was getting at the, at

the, at the, at the, at the, at the, uh, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the, at the

IP area, yeah, the PI, the, uh, the PI, I've been working so much, so much today. I'm

dyslexic about that, you know, the food he was getting at the PI in the way he was treated

and this and that, um, it's easy to appease guys. You don't know any better early on.

It's just, you know, it's, it reminds me when I worked at bleach report, my first job

out of college and they had snacks and a full keg in the kitchen. This is the best job

ever. And they were paying, and they were paying you, I couldn't even pay my rent. Right.

Cause I was just like, low, I was like, well, you sure brag about working there. Yeah,

I know. I couldn't pay rent. I definitely brag about working there. You best believe

I have my friends come to the office after 5 p.m. when we were allowed to tap the keg and

play Xbox. But, um, yeah, it's a little bit of that going on. Uh, I do want to bring

up some stuff on Oscar because we talked about, we want to see both sides of this. Um,

Oscar did say this, uh, he had an opening speech that went way into like how under this

new law, I will put profits over the fighters and his speech was good. I thought everything

after he could have, um, been a little bit stronger. But Oscar said Zufo boxing is fun,

it fully funded by the Saudis. We have already seen how that kind of funding reshaped the

sport to live golf. We should be honest about what is happening here. That was sport washing,

a clear effort to use sports to reshape reputation. But then I'm thinking like, okay, that's

a pretty strong stance against Saudi by using the word sport washing is that's strong.

But then again, Oscar has worked with Turkey. He, I'm pretty sure it's going to continue

to work with Turkey. Uh, pretty sure he sold Ring magazine to Turkey. Well, he does say

he wish he didn't do that. I did hear a report. Uh, but he did he, did he, did he do it for

$10 million? Still did it. Yeah. So like that part is just funny and that just shows like the

contradictory nature of our sport. Um, is he totally out with Turkey? Probably not. I would,

I would like to know that like it is, is Ryan Garcia? Didn't Ryan Garcia just fight on a ring

card against Mario Barrios? And the one before that was against Roles. That was also a ring card.

And Connor Ben fight is probably going to be a ring card, which is in turn, Saudi. Oscar also

told the Senate boxing is very transparent and that promoters take care of their fighters,

claims that Zufo will not be. Well, that's not entirely true. I mean, Kinello famously sued him,

Ryan Garcia, Susan Mary or the week, uh, Virgil Ortiz is currently in arbitration with Oscar.

So once again, I, I, I commend Oscar for showing up. And he's still carries a lot of weight in the

sport. But like, well, he, he always, well, Oscar, Oscar, Oscar, he's a, he's a, he's a legend.

And he's done everything you can do in this sport. So he's been on all sides. His, his,

what he says carries weight. There were a lot of chances for him to step in and be a little more

again, again, though, he's not, he's not a lawyer. And he is a promoter still. Like,

he's not going to be able to present the information like someone who literally does this,

you know, they call it like a public speaking lawyer who's a, who's a litigator. It's not.

But he's a, he has a promoter for the last 20 years. Yeah. You should be able to talk.

Like, I mean, it's one thing, it's one thing to be able to talk about a promotion of a fight that's

coming up that are your fighters and you're putting together. It's another thing to start talking

legal stuff. Yeah, under oath under oath. It's, it's a, yeah, well, yeah, that's a really good point.

Under oath, you know, promoters can get up there and just lie through their teeth, you know,

at the podium. There's, there's no one fact checking them in real time. Can't do that in front of

Congress. And he also like, he's, he reads his clap back Thursdays now. He's like a teleprompter.

Yeah, of course. There's no, there's no teleprompter. And they're written. They're written. It's,

you know, I don't think he's, those used to be like off the cuff. Now they're like fully edited,

like productions, like some big production, like I was in it.

Well, Oscars don't stop. They're still don't stop doing their hilarious. Yeah. I, whatever.

I don't know if this was said, I kind of caught the the beginning of it. I missed like the

speeches. But did anyone bring up to the committee, which they needed to be like held their

hand held throughout it? Because they, let's be honest, this, they don't care about boxing.

They don't know anything that's going on in the sport either. So they need, that's why Nick

Conn doesn't such a good job with nostalgia because you can play to that all day long.

Did anyone come say to the committee about how under this UBO, the promoter is also the

ranking system. And that's where it gets, there's a conflict of interest. Like that,

right there, I think would raise a lot of eyebrows. Well, you got to also use the word double dipping

because that was the big thing in the 90s double dipping is when you had managers acting,

like promoters acting, like working for the fighter, working against the fighter,

taking that was, that was, there was, there was a bunch of articles about that kind of thing.

I think actually, Joe DeGuardia was, was called double dipping Joe DeGuardia back. And then,

I think it was in the 90s stealing the Ludo ball. And that was before they originally,

you know, they all react in the early 2000s, but John McCain, you got to bring that up. Because

like you said, the conflict of interest there is, is obvious to anyone who does, whether you know

about the sport or not, when you see that, if you lay out that, what you just said, the manager,

promotion, ranking system, it's just, it's just it guys out. It's just too much power one place.

Dude, you could sit guys out and doc pay for them not fighting whatever, whatever in the contract

says they have to fight two times a year or six times over the thing is the checks and balances falls

upon, there's no checks and balances, but it falls upon whatever the governing body is and the

governing body is not, it wasn't like they were voted in. Like it's a company. Like you're,

you're just at the top of the company. If you have enough money to buy into the company, you bought

into the company, you took over the company, took over the sport and you decide who fights who

went and who's ranked Y for what? Yeah, there's just way too much power in one place. And again,

it's, it's not like these people were voted in to be the higher power of, of, you know, like a

boxing god or like a boxing president who can decide these kind of things. It's a company at the end

of the day. There, yeah, who would be the, like, I always thought Lou would be the commissioner,

but he's so crazy. What? Teddy Ellis. We, we actually spoke about this. Teddy was a guy who,

he brings up, speaking of crazy, he's, he's brought up a bunch of times about like, you know,

what boxing needs and he's been saying this for decades, but I feel like he'd be a really good

spokesperson for going a bat for the fighters. And do you think Teddy, Atlas speaking of Teddy,

this is like off topic here, but when you're, I'm affiliated with boxing, so everyone always

introduces me that you're a former boxer. So I was like playing golf the other day. My,

the guy was like, oh, I heard you're in boxing. Like, yeah, he goes, I know Teddy, Atlas,

like Teddy, Atlas is my cousin or like my cousin works with Teddy, it always comes back to Teddy.

Like everyone knows. I think that's because you're, you're in the Northeast. I don't get traveling

around. I haven't really got that. Also, it was, it was an older guy. No, it was my, that's

probably the north. It's a Northeast thing. But he's, it's always like my cousin either, like,

oh, my grandfather fought in the golden gloves or my cousin works with Teddy. So, so Teddy is

universal because one, he had decades on ESPN and we came a celebrity off of off of that.

But even before that, you know, he was Tyson trainer and Tyson is, is a lightning rod in

everything, let alone, you know, the sports. If boxing comes up, the first thing that comes

with most people's minds is my cousin. So that's third. Yeah. And so he, so it's, it's,

it's a six degrees of separation from my Tyson. It's really what it is. And, and, and, and he's,

Teddy's right there. But also Teddy, you know, Teddy's also great guy. People, people that have

been around him, meet him and he's, he has an energy about him. He's, he's in the community

as well in Northeast every year. He does the fundraiser in November for the Teddy Atlas Foundation.

And yeah, no, I think, I think, I think he has access to a lot of people like that he can touch.

So that's why the Northeast he's going to have, you know, hold a lot of weight.

But even like, he, he biddered on boxing. He soured on boxing, I should say, because he would

love to go go on his rants on ESPN. If there was a bad scorecard, he came to Teddy show.

And then they slowly phased him out and then he jumped ship to UFC, which a lot of boxing fans,

even myself were like, oh, man, like you switched sides, bro. Like you went to the more

popular sport. And now he's using his way back. Cause I think Turkey likes him. Yeah.

But there, there won't, will never be a boxing czar. But there could be, it could be Dana White.

Remember the, the, the, Zufa's promo video was Dana as they literally anointed him as the

savior. And it's really not Dana. Why he's the figurehead. Like it's, it's the Nik Kahn's.

It's the Hunter Campbell's with the UFC.

But one other thing too is like, I'm watching UFC as a casual. And I'm seeing that they're having

a lot of issues with popularity, uh, making stars, making fights. Like their heavyweight division

is a joke. Like I talked to Francis and Gano less week. And he was like, what's the heck is going

on with that? Like they can't even make the fights. And their whole calling card UFC is that

we can make the fights. Then I look over at WWE. And I'm not even a consumer of it at all,

but I do listen to the uncrowned boxing, uh, wrestling show, um, the Kajace and Solomon does a

phenomenal job. And I kind of get up to date and they're unhappy with the product. And that's TKO.

So the UFC TKO and now they're going to be getting into boxing.

Boxing's not going to be your savior, guys. If you're just, just, just so you know, if you're,

if you're, that's going to be a low third, if you're worried about bottom line,

boxing's not the place to make your money back. No one, no one, no one makes their money back in

boxing. We have so many people come into our sport. The JZs, the, uh, well, they want to get rid of all

that 50 cents. They come in and they realize this business is insanity. And it's really hard to

make money. You lose a lot of money. And then they leave it. They leave it. They, they, they close

the door and they never look back. And they're like, okay, that was fun. Not doing that again.

Well, that was the whole reason Dane had ever wanted to get into it. Yeah. It's a, it's, it's a

money pit. Boxing is rough, man. Yeah, but they're willing. It's, they're willing to take it on.

They have such a big conglomerate TKO. They've looked at the money. They're complaining about WWE and,

and, and, and you have see, you're going to, you're going to jump ship and go to what you're,

you're looking at as like a, like a sick dog. You're going to try and nurse back to health. I mean,

if, well, they just want, they just want that third sport. They just want to monopolize the sport.

And so TKO, we get to even big. It's all about the shareholders. That's what this was. Nick

Kahn was representing the shareholders and the shareholders and our, that's what would,

pro wrestling has turned into. Like this WrestleMania event last week. We grew up watching

WrestleMania. Remember how awesome WrestleMania. That's the, the biggest one. And that was a huge

event. It wasn't really that big into it to be totally honest. But you know, WrestleMania.

WrestleMania, WrestleMania, WrestleMania. Wrestling was huge. My parents would never buy a

pay-per-view for me either. I've never, I've never, I've never watched WrestleMania live ever.

I've never, I've never, I would watch this scrambled one. Yeah. My parents would never buy that.

Although we bought every single boxing pay-per-view ever happened because my grandfather was,

we had showtime NHBL at all times because of boxing, because of my grandfather. And every pay-per-view

that came on, every Mike Tyson fight, you know, we were buying. And we had parties for. But

WrestleMania, my grandfather, he's told me to watch WrestleMania. He would smack me. Literally,

it would smack me in the head. I think my dad, my dad took us to Survivor Series at the garden.

It was Undertaker. It was the rock debut. Wow. He was called Rocky Maya Villa.

And Sean Michaels lost. He was like, what do you see Italian then? Rocky Maya Villa.

And then he came out, he was getting booed. He was like fat and pudgy and like no one

even knew who he was. Undertaker came down from the ceiling. That was awesome. And then Sean

Michaels lost the belt that psycho said and I was so upset because that's a big shot.

How about that glow-up? You look at photos of the rock back in the day. You know,

when you had the chain outside of the bad hairline. Bad hairline. You know, he had the

gyno, climastia, chast. Now he's got the best physique in the world ever. Definitely, Nadi, right?

Wow. I mean, I think he would tell you otherwise himself, but it's great. He says he's Nadi.

No, does he? What? No. TZ, I have never heard him once say I'm on steroids.

Liver King obviously got exposed. Is the rock next?

That would be a real fault from Grace. I mean, we all know. He's like 60 and he's like,

he's insane. He looks better than he ever has in his entire life. It's wild.

But the Hollywood diet. You know who I saw the other day on the socials was a

song called Steve Austin. He also looks better now that he did when he was. He's amazing.

He's the best. He has though. He's one of the best files. He's still cracking beers. He's on a

ranch. His takes are always good. He hasn't done anything to embarrass himself. Stone call is a

fucking man. That was our era. I mean, not to get veer off, but like it always now coming into one

thing. It's all blurring. Like there's UFC is owned by TKO. WWE is owned by TKO. And now if

they have there, if they have their way boxing, we'll be under that umbrella with Zufa boxing.

But they're all struggling right now. I wish someone would have brought that up today in the

hearing. Hey, why didn't Oscars say, Hey, Nick, if you're Nikon, if you're just killing it and

UFC's the anti boxing and there's so much confusion. Like you say, Nick, with the middleweight

division too many belts, there's a freaking BMF belt floating around there. We have just in Gacy

fighting for the interim title against Ilya Toporia when when Armin is out there. I don't

if I can't, I don't know, I can't pronounce his last name on the casual. Sorry, I can't. I think

it's something like that. Right. You can't even make the biggest fights and you have a monopoly

over the sport. I would have loved that's a good point. You already have the blueprint for what

you want and you still can't make the biggest fights. So what's what are we doing here? And this

is a much bigger talent pool. Uh, that's what I would have said. This should have invited me to this

thing. You should have threw your hat in the mix. Got up there. Podcasted Dan Kenobi. Hello everyone

I'm representing me. Lifelong. Yeah. Lifelong boxing person never leaving. I mean, it's like

the mafia. I mean, I, I, how do I leave this? I don't. No choice. Can you, did you, did you finish

college? I know I asked you this. Oh, yes. Yeah, I did. Despite my horrible vocabulary, I have

communications degree. From the same, I have a degree from the same colleges. You know, I have a

master's degree from them from the graduate program at the. Okay. And I want the campus that you

went to. Yes. And I want the college for seven years. So I should have a doctorate.

I got two degrees in the same time that it took you to get at what a bachelor's in it's

communication. My, yes, my friends and family jokingly called me doctor Dan after I graduated

seven years after my high school graduate. I'm calling you that. I'm calling you Dan Kenobi

a PhD from now on. Listen, everyone out there. It doesn't matter. It's not about how fast you

finish. It's about how you finish. Look at me now. Put that on a t-shirt. Dan. That's right.

Dan Kenobi a PhD. Let's move on. Please. To Richardson Hitchens vacates the IBF title,

which should set off a domino effect here. He says he will move to 147 last week. He signed with

Zufa. They don't have 140 pound division. Zufa has problems with the IBF. So the IBF goes in

orders. Lendolfo Delgado wears T of Fimo Lopez. T of Fimo Lopez says he's going to 147. I don't

know if that fight happens. Oscar Dworkday, who was supposed to fight which is at Hitchens in February,

he's the number three ranked 140 pounder by the IBF as a fight scheduled May 2nd. So I think

they're going to move past him. That's how they went to T of Fimo. So there's a lot of what's

on the web there. But with Richardson Hitchens that I ultimately think leads to Devon Haney. I'll

get to that in a second. Zero surprise about Hitchens winning up to 47 for a number of reasons. One,

we've already sung go to Zufa. And listen, there's been some miscalculation. I think on everyone's

part, us included. And I've gotten to speak to Edgar Berlanga recently about his new signing with

Zufa as well. He will be campaigning at 68. And there was reports that that Richardson Hitchens

was going to still campaign at 140, even though he's under the Zufa umbrella. And I say umbrella

because it's it seems to be all encompassing with multiple tiers depending on the signing.

Right. So you've got Giopataya, right, who was signed by Zufa, but he was a world champion.

And he's also in a way class they don't have. He's a cruise away. Still allowed to fight in his

way class. Still a lot, you know, able to fight for the Zufa belt. Then you sign a guy like

Connor Ben who is obviously not going to fall into the league roster situation because he's trying

to get fights with Ryan Garcia, calling out Shakur, you know, Devon Haney, these kinds of things.

So like those guys are not under the umbrella, but they're still trying to make those fights. So

that tier is allowed to still fight in different than the way classes that that are in between.

Also allowed to fight for the original governing bodies titles. So it's different rules for the

different tiered system. Obviously. And Hitchens, although he said he was going to fight at 140 because

he could because he is a legitimate world champion. He's undefeated as well. But at the same time,

it certainly seemed like making that weight was a big issue because I think if he, I don't think

he wants to give up his title. I don't think he make the weight. So I think 47 is where he was

destined to go anyway, even though they went out and came out and said he was going to fight a 40

and then they kind of went back on that. I don't think it has anything to do with Zufa or

not wanting to fight and so on. So I think you just can't make the way. You know, the last fight fell

through. I got to go on their word. I'm not going to sit there and say, you know, what,

what everyone else wants to say, like Oscar wants to say, oh, who is scared?

Guy pulling out the day of a fight is a wild thing to do. There's a lot of

attention. There's a lot of places you could have pulled out prior to the day of hours before.

I tend to believe tweet. No. It's same thing you're saying. Imagine me investing in a whole 13-week

camp, draining my body to the most extent, make weight, miss a seven-figure payday and give up my

world title that I work my whole life for to be scared of the workday, run with whatever narratives

you want. I quote tweeting and said, he's got a point here. No one wanted to hear that. Perfectly

said. Because again, I also know Hitchens. I used to Sparman Brooklyn all the time. He's huge

for 40. It was very difficult for him to make it. He's been fighting there his whole life. I

think Keith Connelly put out a statement. He's been making the same weight since he was 16 years

old. I tend to not a good look though. No. It's certainly not a good look, but he doesn't care.

He's going to count his money and smile and go to 47. It doesn't matter. He doesn't care.

As you see, Ritwarte said. Ritwarte, double birds. Double birds. I'm the champ now.

I love that. I'm the champ now. What's that movie? The Somali Pirate? I'm the captain now.

I love that. Listen, Ritwarte, you're the Oscar. I'm a big fan. I like you. That's not the way it

works. He's still got to go fight for the title and win it. Great promotion. Great promotion. He's

done a really good job. The way this is all worked out. Listen, this is complicated because obviously

he's getting passed over because he should be the guy next in line. But if you look at the numbers,

he was actually number three and the fight was made with Hitchens. Number one was Delgado.

Well, in Delgado has been waiting longer at the way. He was number one in the IBF. The reason he

got pushed looked over was because of that. It just sucks because he got shafted by not fighting.

But also he took a fight in the interim. He could have waited around and campaigned for the fight.

That IBF messing up and being unorganized. Because if you asked Ritwarte, would he rather fight on

May 2nd or fight Delgado for the title in June or July? Well, this is going to be on next

point. They're both trying to make Robert Garcia. Oh, yeah. They tried to gather. Robert said I

would rather these guys not fight right now. And I don't think they really want to fight each other

right now either that I have heard and I've heard from people that Dwarf Day is going to want to go

the WBC route, so which is told Smith. So they're going to go a different way. So it's a banger.

That's a banger. That's a banger. If he beats Pueblo. If he beats Pueblo, yeah. And then the

announcement of the Tfimo Lopez on double fight, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I know Tfimo

just got washed by Shakur. But Shakur washes so many guys. And he would wash so many guys. I don't

think it's a huge knock onto you for losing that fight. Yeah, it sucks the way he lost the way he

did. But whatever, I think giving him a shot. I think he's still an eight class fighter.

And then Dolpho Delgado, I think this is a good matchup in terms of where they're at in their

careers. And Dolpho gets a big name guy. He's still in defeated. He gets his title shot. Tfimo

coming off the loss is again, an eight class guy. I think I think he's a much higher class than

Dolpho. But I think at the time that they're meeting, it actually makes for a competitive fight.

Yeah, but does Tfimo take that fight? Because he's flirting with 147. There was rumors of him

fighting Ryan Garcia. Is that at least that looked at us a step backwards to fight?

Lendolfo Delgado. No disrespect to Lendolfo for 140 pound title. A weight class. He's

already been at the top of. No, go away. I can get you. Go get a title. Go get a title at 140.

Blungo and 147. Yeah, but he doesn't even think of that stuff, though.

Does he not, though? He's not gonna fight. I don't think if you put a gun to my head,

he does not fight in Dolpho Delgado. I think he should. I think he wins that fight.

Yeah, I mean, to do that fight. I don't think he's going to be in the running for the

Ryan Garcia fight. Ryan has so many big fights coming. You can't go off a loss and go into a

Ryan Garcia fight and fight for it. Yeah, I don't think that's that was like a quick rumor

than Ben overshadowed it. Yeah, no, he's coming off a loss. Go get your title back. Get a win

under your belt. Get another title. You got negotiating power there. And I think he

beats Delgado. I just I think it's gritty fight. It's a gritty fight. It's not as difficult as

Duarte. I think Duarte is as much more difficult than than Delgado.

Duarte did get hosed in this whole situation, but he's won the public perception.

Yeah, one of the public perception. He puts on a war with the Anjel Ferreiro on May 2nd

on people. That's about banger. That's going to be a banger. That's a banger. And he comes out

looking great. He can go to the WBC rat and go to the IBF route. If it doesn't want to fight

stable mate. If he doesn't want to fight stable mate. But Hitchens to 147 makes a lot of sense.

And it leads me to Devon Haney. Because I was thinking about this yesterday. I'm like,

dude, who's Devon Haney going to fight? He hasn't fought since November of 2025 when he beat

Brian Norman. Great win. Nothing on the schedule failed the negotiations with Rowley Rivera. That

was supposed to be May 30th. Are we looking at one fight in 2026 for Devon Haney? One of the biggest

names in the sport? More than likely. Yeah. One fight. That sucks. That does suck. That does suck.

I like Devon. I like him when he's active. I like all the fights that are out there for him.

There's so many matchups. There's very few fighters that I can think of where I'm like,

I would like to see him fight this guy. Oh, I would like to see him fight that guy as well. I would

also like him to see him fight that guy. I'm looking at that with Devon. I would like to see him

Ryan is number one. Of course, absolutely. I would like to see him fight Rowley Romero. That's

another one. I think is really an important fight for this way class. Shit, even Connor Ben,

I would like to see Devon fight Connor Ben, but I'm not mad at that fight at all. There's so many

fights that I would like to see Devon in. They're all big. They're all important. They all make money.

They all make sense. But I will say this about Haney. And I've always got to include Bill when

we're talking about Haney and team Haney because he is the mastermind. These guys are always up

to something, man. They're not sitting around on their hands waiting. They're not waiting. If

they're waiting, they're waiting with purpose. So I'm sure whatever they're going to come out with

is going to be big. I've seen some videos that I'm training. He's always in top shape.

Yeah, I mean, he's getting in shape, getting in better shape. But you see him in the gym. And I think

that's indicative that something's something's looming. Okay, so could Haney fight Hitchens?

He could. We could. I think they've gone back to 147. Definitely 147 would have to be.

That's a tough engine. The Zufus involvement? Why not? But I'm on a ring call.

Haney is a free agent. Yeah. Haney's not going to take that money. Haney's taking money for

everybody at some point. They're smart. They play the field. I think the the roly negotiation failed

negotiation kind of exposed a little bit of it's exposed the business of boxing and shortcomings

and why some fights aren't made and kind of like right into the hands of TKO and Zufu if they get

their way, where it's like they wanted to put up the money. Like PBC was going to put up the six

million they said of for the event to stage the event for roly side and Devon Haney and Devon Haney

promotions put up their side. They front the money towards all the things that need to put on a

pay-per-view venue, you know, broadcast deal all the money that goes into making a pay-per-view and

then they were going to take a percentage of everything that they made after the six million.

So it's a it's a risk. So Haney looked at it was like I'm not putting up my own money because he

doesn't have a promoter. Like, Matroom has done that in the past when they had Haney because they

have a bigger vault of money to do that and that fight ultimately fell apart because Haney,

I guess, deemed that it didn't make sense business-wise, didn't like the offer.

So that could have been a fight for Haney was against roly. But we're seeing now is Turkey invested

in Devon Haney because he was a big-time client or lack of a better term. Is he going to be seeing

like a cooling, which means Turkey and Devon Haney, whereas he has to go out and make his own

fights, is that why he's on the shelf? Yeah, it seems like there's been a cooling of Turkey and

boxing as of late. Yeah. We saw him come out, you know, for that last fight, but other than that,

we haven't heard a whole lot. And yes, obviously that area of the world is in serious turmoil.

But I don't know if that's just it. It seems like the ball is rolling with TKO Group and Dana

and then moving forward and maybe Turkey's visibility isn't as necessary as it was.

The bank role is still important, but how long is that going to last? Was that always really the idea

that this was going to keep churning out the money or is it just to get this established and then

pull back and let it do its own thing? So it's hard to figure out what the actual business plan

of this actually is. But in terms of Turkey's involvement, it's been much more muted than it has

been the last two and a half years. So I don't know if that's something new or if that's how it's

going to be from now on, but I guess time will tell. But in terms of Haney, I had heard that there

was talk of a Rollie's Ryan fight that was like looming under under the surface. And that was

kind of keeping Haney and Rollie's from fighting. But then Conor Ben comes in and now his return

and his defeat of progrey, which in not looking good, I think actually helped him get some of

these opportunities because now everybody's calling him out, everybody wants, he was calling

everyone out before the fight. And everybody was like, okay, dude. And then he fights,

doesn't look that good. And everyone's like, okay, dude. So it's a whole different feeling

from the guys that are around him now. And I think that kind of snuck Rollie's to get

kicked to the side once again, because it was even talk of Rollie's and Ben at a time.

I think that's completely gone. Rollie has been linked to everyone.

Everyone. Yeah. From his mandatory to Pacquiao to Ryan to Ben. And he's on the outside looking

in now. He hasn't fought since last May. Speaking right? Yeah, when he that was Ryan.

That's a joke. That's he's on a year out world champion. World champion in a way class like

that has gotten hot while he's been gone. Listen, I'm all for TKO. Come on in, Nick Conn.

Speaking of his mandatory, Shokram. Fix our mess. Shokram GSOV fighting Liam Paro.

Well, that could that could make. Well, the way he was fighting Katero. Oh, Katero. I was

I was. Who was Liam Paro? No, no, that's not right either. It's not on 40. Isn't it Liam Paro? No,

Katero. I think you're right about that. I think it is Liam Paro. I feel like I saw that.

Katero's fighting on the. No, Katero's fighting. Who's he? On the Usic card. But he is fighting GSOV,

no? What? Wait, is that 47? This isn't my plans. He fought right. Yeah. Why for some reason,

I thought, wow, I was thinking Roli was a lightweight for some reason. GSOV is fighting Katero. Yeah.

What happened to Liam Paro? This poor king. I don't know, because he was supposed to fight Krocker.

Krocker's forgotten about guy at Walter Witt. So is so is Roli's. You might as well not have

an habit title, Krocker. How? All right, listen to this. Okay. How does how does the mandatory for

Roli's? How is he fight? And Roli's doesn't. GSOV? Yeah.

He's been the mandatory for a while and they've been paying him off. And I thought now and I thought

that he Roli was putting so much pressure on Haney to make this unification because he doesn't

want to fight GSOV because it's a tough fight and there's no money in it. And now he's now

fighting Katero on the the Riko Verhoven Usic card. So I don't even know what's going on there. But

yeah, I got me thinking about Haney and who will be fighting. But to go back several points

ago about the Saudi. I did read that live golf is in trouble. I did read that in their latest report

the PIF. Yeah, but now they're talking about like totally just shutting it all down, like totally

down. And then the PIF, the public fund in Saudi put out a report for the next four years about

what they're going to be investing in and did not mention sports outside of the World Cup.

So that means golf, boxing, Tom Brady's, Flex Football League, all that stuff. There's no,

there's no plans for it. But power slap is good, right? Keeping power slap. It's a whole different

I hate power slap. I know you do. It's why I bring it up. God's the worst. It's trash. So

Connor Ben at it. You see that at an event? Well, they've been pretty him out. So they pretty

much make them whoever signs the zoo for you see far they do the power slap events. I think

we're just now streamed. And Nina drama is at a table and streamed on like kick or something.

And they had Zufa new Zufa signy. Connor Ben and they were reacting because it's like part of

the media. What did they do? What was that the the Grammys or something? They had like they were

parading out like certain members of the UFC and like it's just like it's just I understand

it's good for the guys platform, whatever. But like you're you're you're you're getting paraded.

Your own but yeah that's that company owns you. You're you're that's that's the beautiful thing

about being about being a boxer. You don't have to do anything. You just got to show up and fight,

dude. You don't work for anybody but yourself. And that's that's that was always the beauty of

boxing. That's what I love about boxing. I was my own boss. Even when I had a promoter, whatever

I was still the boss. I was I was I did, but I wanted to do an hurt though. I fought when I wanted

to fight, but no, I can't remember hands. Julian hammer hands. Shane Mosley Jr. just signed

to Zufa being at WrestleMania. Not really making a dent in terms of fans being like oh I want to

watch their fights, but fun experience for that. Fun experience that kind of just shows the the

marketing arm of Zufa. Do you care? Yeah, so I don't know what's going to go on with the

World Trade Division. I don't know what's going to go on with the Saudi funds. You did bring up

the war there too. Like that's a big reason why we're not seeing any fights there. They moved

the Tom Brady's the flag football tournament was supposed to be in Saudi. It was being planned to

happen there. Obviously the war is going on nearby in our in Iran and they moved it to LA and

that pissed off Turkey and pissed off the their entertainment board there. So they're on the outs.

So there hasn't been a constant one of five over a worn torn area. Like Tom Brady doesn't want to

be in the middle of a war in Logan Paul and like NFL players. But yeah, that's a big reason why

because Canelo and Billy from everything I'm seeing to our it's not in Billy, but Canelo

September event is also supposed to be penciled in for Saudi. And I saw a few things that they're

that's what the plan is. I would wonder if that's still going to happen over there. Things are

going to have to change real quick. I mean, with the way they're going now. I think this is a

political war podcast. And not that we are capable of speaking about this with any kind of

that anyone should be listening to. Speaking of which, let's change the damn subject.

Let's move on. Final thing. Jarrell Miller fights Lenny Arpero this weekend. Not a bad fight.

Not a bad fight. So I called Lenny Arpero's last fight. He fought over in Orlando on a

his own card. He looked good. He is good. 33 years old. Cuban. 13 to no decent power. Not a

killer puncher at heavyweight. Not huge for heavyweight either. But that night Jarrell Miller was

there and jumps in the ring and starts getting in in peril's face and calls out the fight. I'm on

the mic like, all right. Well, there's a next fight made. This seems pretty easy to do. And here we are.

So we do have a narrative. We nobody sells a fight like Jarrell Miller in the heavyweight division

right now. He's awesome at it. He's got a lot of notoriety because of his hairline. And he's been

over and so you buried the lead there, bro. You buried the lead. Yeah. So he had he's getting this

fight because his hair fell off. No, he's getting this fight because he got the ring. This guy,

boom, boom, boom. He had to get the win that last fight. He didn't look good in it. Dude,

you're telling me if Jarrell Miller doesn't go mega viral. His hair piece doesn't fall off. He

doesn't go on Jimmy Kimmel show. Doesn't do all this media TMZ. They're not making this a main

event on matchup main event. No. No. This is this is very near on the car. Yeah. This is a main

event. Yeah. All right. Good for Jarrell. So yeah. So he's capitalizing on a situation which no one

in the world could do better than Jarrell because this is the way this guy is. No one could capitalize

on something so embarrassing the way that he has. And it's actually turning into dollars and

sense to put in his bank account. But this is tough fight. Paral is good. He is good. It's a pretty

even fight on the odds. It is minus 150 Miller favorite Perro plus 120. I throw some money on

Perro. I'm not betting against. You love this guy. I'm not betting against a guy with a

hairline like that. He will he will go out there. There's nothing. There's anything to win.

Yeah. Exactly. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing will stop him from looking for. Perro by decision plus

220. Well, he rounds and save me rounds. Perro's not stopping him. So that's actually

no. That's a juicy bet. That's definitely not stopping him. No way. He's not. He's not a

puncture. Perro is going to win. He's not a puncture and Jarrell is very durable. Is it 10 rounds

or is it 12 rounds? This feels like a 10 rounder. It does feel like a 10 rounder. But a 10 round

main event. It won't be that I wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked by that. Where's the car?

Real Miller. Vegas. Jarrell Miller, the only boxer to ever hang up on me on an interview on

inside boxing in the history of the eight year history of the show. Bad guy. I talked to him.

I think he's a good guy. No, I think he's a bad guy. I talked to him about it. He was he was

no, he didn't. He was he was late to get his burgers. He's a he's a big fan of. He probably was

hungry. You're just you're just hungry. He's 12 rounds. 12 rounder. It is 12 rounder.

Uh, not to open up old wounds, but it was he was about to sign with matchroom. He hadn't signed

yet. I think I said, all right. So you're going to sign with matchroom. And he's like, wait,

I said, who taught? No, that's wrong. I do your homework. Well, the fuck. He hangs up next

day. He signs with matchroom. Well, he had already signed a matchroom. He just didn't want.

He didn't want me to say he didn't want to air it on your show. He said, he said, fuck this show.

I'm never heard of this show. Nobody's heard of this show like this guy. He just wasn't even a

good interview either. He was not in the mood. So he was not he was probably hungry. Like I said,

he didn't want to talk to you. But karma came and got him when his hair flew off 12 years later.

Karma got him a few times, buddy. Yeah. That's another thing too. Like this guy doesn't say an

amount of these. I never thought a million years he'd get it. He'd be keep getting all these shots.

I never thought a million years he'd be working with Eddie Herne. Do we not remember the animosity

between Herne, Drill Miller, Anthony Joshua, ruining that promotion. Ruiz steps in,

knocks out Anthony Joshua. This is boxing, Dan. This is the what ifs the domino effect.

This is this is thick skin short memory to territory. That's boxing. Thick skin short memory.

Keep it moving. That's crazy. That you think about it. You know, they pick they handpicked

Drill Miller to fight Anthony Joshua and Joshua's big New York City debut, big US debut. He's

the promotion was heating up. It was great. Guide test positive for multiple PEDs. Like

everything. They find they get entire pharmacy worth every PED up to the book. Then they go and

find Andy Ruiz who's in Herne's DMs who had fought six weeks prior. He steps in there. Second

biggest upset and heavyweight boxing history. Safe to say that or one of the top five. Yeah. I

fought that night, which I fought on that card. He did. He scored a TKO and then so you want to be

a fighter. So you want to be a fighter. Plus a man. Do you think though, like that number one

biggest heavyweight? Obviously he's Tyson losing to bus of Douglas. Would you put Ruiz?

Joshua number two, or would you put Tommy Morrison, Michael Bent, Leon Spinks, and

Muhammad Ali. Even a faded Muhammad Ali. Yes. Leon Spinks was, I mean, he's a gold medalist,

but he was not a very good pro and that that was it's not a league to it. It's that's huge.

I think Ruiz, Josh was definitely in there. 42 to one. Oh, right here is showing Tommy Morrison

losing to Michael Bent. Oh, yeah, I was bad. Michael Bent was on this show. Michael Moore and

Foreman. Big upset. Yeah, definitely 46 years old heavyweight division. Michael Bent had that

awesome Netflix episode. Yes, he did. It was called losers, which is such a bad name.

Harmony, but he's, but he was always looked at as he had the best amateur, one of the best

amateurs ever didn't really want a box because his dad forced him into it. Had a, I think he lost

his debut, lost his second fight, did not live up to the second fight. Something like that didn't

live up to the hype of his amateur career, but then ultimately has one of the biggest upsets.

Everything came together on one night. Beats Tommy Morrison, upends Morrison versus Holyfield

who was ringside. And then I reached out to him, random. This is when I didn't have a co-host

and I said, Hey, would you join our show? It was awesome interview. Guys is like a Thespian.

I so I did play with him actually. No way. Yeah, great guy. Really? I mean, handsome,

well spoken, smart. You name it. And just I see why he didn't want a box. He didn't he didn't

strike me like like a guy who was, you know, growing up rough and tough like he wanted to fight.

He was kind of like forced into it and then, you know, wins a world title. And then like,

you know, loses like good. He seemed like he has no, no issues about his career, you know,

how it went or being done with their not being able to fight anymore. He's good. He's he's doing

just fine. I'm still friends and I'm on Facebook. I think you wish me a happy birthday last year.

That's great. On Facebook. Very cool guy. No, thank you Michael Bentoppy doing well out there.

To put a bow on that whole story, my dad got on the top rank private jet with Bob Aaron.

Been on there a few times. With Bob Aaron. And they're flying back after the fight.

The Bent beats Tommy Morrison. Tommy Morrison was supposed to fight.

Holyfield. Yeah. And they're on the private jet and like back then the the bathrooms.

They're running like a door on the bathroom. It's just a curtain. And some guy was doing the

business in the in the bathroom doing number a number two and started to smell up the jet,

my dad said. And the guy goes, there's no toilet paper here. Aaron grabs the contract for Tommy

Morrison and Holyfield goes, here, use this. It's useless. Bob with the epic timing.

That doesn't surprise. Bob can only know what the story. That doesn't surprise me at all. One,

both Bob's from Bob to Bob from your Bob, your dad Bob with with the epic story and then

Bob Aaron with the epic timing. He was so he's so cutting too with the way Bob says.

He's peaceful useless. The wipe your ass with this.

And I think his wife, what's his wife's name? Aaron's wife's still his wife.

Todd debuffs biological mother. She was on the plane too smelling up smelling the poo.

Crazy story. That's how we end the show. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.

Hope you enjoyed the episode. Hope you enjoy the weekend. We have a little bit of a light schedule,

boxing wise. But like we said at the beginning, we are gearing up towards what should be a phenomenal

May everywhere all over the fighting globe. I just booked my flights for this Netflix MMA card,

staying in a Manhattan beach. That should be epic. Um, fight week there. So,

everyone enjoy your weekend. Any final words Chris for our boxing brethren?

No, nothing will kill boxing. Nothing will save it. Stay tuned. You're going to be here a while.

I hope so. Protect yourself to all times. Give your hands up at all times. Stay out of those DMs or out.