Inside Paranormal Investigations, Part One | Guest Broken Wings Paranormal

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Today on the Grave Talks, Inside Paranormal Investigations,

a conversation with Broken Wings Paranormal.

For paranormal investigators, every case brings something different.

But some experiences are harder to walk away from.

For members of Broken Wings Paranormal, those moments

have come while investigating a wide range of haunted locations across the Western United States.

Working as a team, they bring different perspectives and approaches into each case.

But what they encounter isn't always easy to explain.

They share the experiences that have stayed with them, direct responses,

unexplained activity and interactions that go beyond what they expected to find.

Alongside those encounters, they also talk about what it's like to investigate as a team,

how they approach each location and how they make sense of the evidence they capture.

It's a look at the moments that stand out during real paranormal investigations

and the role a team plays in trying to understand them.

Today on the Grave Talks, Inside Paranormal Investigations,

a conversation with Broken Wings Paranormal.

While I am with today, I think the most people I have ever had on one episode,

Broken Wings Paranormal, and I've got Erica Steve, Cody Brady Suzy, Laura and Chelsea.

Hello, everybody.

This is going to be fun today. I want to start with Erica today because you are one of the founders

of Broken Wings Paranormal. And you're based out of Utah, correct?

Ogden, Salt Lake City area?

Not like city, yeah.

Okay. How did this team get started?

A friend of mine and my husband's Robbie called my husband and said,

hey, I'm thinking about starting a ghost hunting team.

Would you like to go ghost hunting with me?

And he was like, no way in hell.

And then he told me about it and I was like, call him back.

We're going. Absolutely.

Why would you tell him no?

So that's how I got into it.

I'm going to guess though, that wasn't a random phone call.

There had to have been reason like,

did he think you might be interested in the Paranormal?

Had you expressed some interest in the Paranormal?

I don't think I ever did to Robbie because we weren't very close.

Kind of just acquaintances.

I know his brother better than I know him actually.

I think he was just trying to find people to help him out and join a team.

He dabbles in everything.

Okay.

And then he gets kind of tired of it and moves on.

So that's kind of something that he's known for.

Which seems to be what he did in this case.

Yeah, he actually, he got a little freaked out

and didn't want to do it anymore.

So because of the Paranormal activity,

did he encounter something that was like,

whoa, I was expecting Paranormal activity, but not really.

Yeah, I think so.

And I think wherever he was living,

he was messing with the portal and stuff.

And I think he got more than he appreciated.

Some attachments and things that kind of hung around.

So how long ago was that?

Oh, my sense of time is awful.

Steve, how long ago did Robbie walk away?

Almost four years ago now.

Yeah, it's been a long time.

So did you have a pretty good team put together then?

Or did you reach out to other people after that?

Because a lot of times that's what people do.

I kind of call it curating a group.

Because they bring people in for certain reasons.

Maybe there's a sensitive.

Maybe there's the skeptic.

Maybe there's the tech guy.

You know, everybody comes in for reason.

Did you kind of do that with a group after that?

Or had you already sort of done that?

I did not.

Robbie kind of did that as we went along.

He ran into Steve and he was like,

oh, Steve, so cool.

We got to get him into our group.

You know, he's got all this equipment and he knows tech and all the stuff.

And I was just like, cool.

Because I don't stranger.

I was like, oh, great.

I'm going to deal with this Steve guy.

You know, this is going to be fun.

Had you been interested in the paranormal,

though, was that something that was a pretty intriguing offer to you?

Yes, my whole life.

So my dad had a psychic friend who actually owned a company.

And I would go to her say ounces and stuff at her shop.

And I definitely played with a Ouija board

and created some of the hauntings in my childhood home, for sure.

No, I would think someone could have gotten grounded for that.

But obviously, I don't know if you did or not.

Oh, my dad was always, hey, if you're going to do it, do it at home.

So I guess that's true.

That's some good advice, right?

So you could maybe he could sort of supervise you a little bit.

Sure.

Yeah, that's it.

If that's what you want to say.

We did end up investigating her childhood home, though.

Yeah, we did.

Yes.

That was fun.

Oh, okay.

So I'm going to introduce everybody.

And then we're circling back to that Erica, because I want to hear how that went.

So then you brought in Steve.

Was he your first person that you brought in out of the group who's with us today?

Yes.

Okay.

So Steve, you came in and is it for those reasons?

You were good at tech.

You had some abilities that she thought would help the group.

Well, I've been doing this forever.

Let's see.

When did I start doing that?

Well, I was in my 20s.

So it's been a few decades off and off.

So I've been doing this a long time.

And yes, I do have the tech.

I am techie.

And I had already gotten equipment because

my wife and daughter and I were going to start doing it anyway.

Before I even met Rob.

So I just met Rob on Facebook one night.

And I'm, he's like, oh, I'm going to go out to Mercury Cemetery.

I said, okay, I'll go with you.

And that's how it all started.

So when, when he adopted me,

that automatically adopted Laura and Chelsea.

So now, Laura and Chelsea are with us.

Yes.

So let's go to Laura first.

How are you connected with Steve?

Um, I'm married to him.

So you're Mrs. Steve.

I'm Mrs. Steve.

Yes.

So is the paranormal something you had been interested in a while?

Or did you tell Steve I'd really rather take a bowling or something like that?

But if this will help our marriage, I will do it.

I've, I've always been interested in it.

Um, like you, I grew up in a haunted house.

Had some weird things happen.

My mom was into a lot of, um, like psychic stuff.

We had a, uh, we called him our guru, um, psychic that we would go to and he taught classes

and everything.

So my mom would, would go and do that.

So it was kind of something in our blood.

And we all had abilities of some sort me and my mom and one of my sisters anyways.

So we've always kind of been into it.

But yeah, we grew, uh, we grew up in a haunted house.

I had a lot of weird stuff happen, um, there.

And then when Chelsea was younger, where we lived in a house, um,

I had a lot of weird activity there too.

So it's always interested, you know, interested me.

Now Chelsea is with you and is Chelsea your daughter?

He's my daughter.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay, Chelsea, how are you today?

Good, how are you?

Good, thank you.

So this is something that you have grown up in.

Kind of, yeah, like mom said, grew up in a haunted house, you know,

a her house that she grew up in.

So my grandparents' house was haunted too.

I had some just, you know, interesting, strange experiences.

And I started noticing my own abilities at a young age,

but never really learned how to harness them or anything until just a couple of years ago.

What kind of, what kind of things did you notice from a young age?

Because sometimes, you know, when you're a kid and you have things happen,

you don't know that it doesn't happen to other kids.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, and it's, it's hard because when I was growing up,

I had the abilities and back then, you know, because I'm 50,

all of my 56.

So back then, it wasn't accepted.

People didn't talk about it.

Right.

So, and I didn't know anybody else had abilities.

So it was, it was weird for me, but, you know, I think it's easier.

So it's a, it's a generational, it's a generational thing then.

Oh, yes.

Go ahead.

I turn, turn, turn.

Well, so when I was a kid, yeah, I didn't really think anything too much of it.

Maybe I thought my eyes were just playing tricks on me.

When I would see spirits, I would see animals.

I would know things before they happened.

Like, if somebody was going to call or knock on the front door,

I would know before it happened.

Exactly like split second before.

I've seen in the house, I, like, if you know what slender man looks like,

this is what this creature looked like.

I don't know what it was or not, obviously,

but this is what it looked like in my bedroom, in my mirror.

So I just, I just saw things and just thought my eyes were playing tricks on me when I was little.

Is that something that has continued your whole life?

Because I know with some kids, they kind of grow out of it.

But it sounds like with your mom, it's stuck with her.

And with you, you still have the abilities, right?

Yeah, I do.

And we do have another person on the team that's not here tonight.

He's another medium on the team besides me.

He helped me gain the knowledge and the access and the understanding to what my abilities are.

So I see things quite frequently now, but they no longer terrifying me.

I think finding the right mentor for someone like you is so important.

It really is.

It's because it's a whole new world.

Now let's go to Cody.

Cody, how long have you been with the group?

I knew.

Oh, how new is new?

For months?

A month?

Yeah.

Month?

Yeah.

Brand new.

So you just randomly decided to join a paranormal group

or was this something that you had been looking to do for a while?

It was kind of random.

They were, I lived in Milford.

So when they were here at the hotel Milford, I got to meet them.

Oh, I was watching that video.

Were you the person that it was like, oh, she's just joining us tonight?

Yes.

Okay, okay.

And it's stuck.

And you hear you are still with them because that was a really compelling video, actually.

There was a lot of activity in that video.

Yes.

So I'm impressed that after a night like that, you're like, I'm in.

Yay for you.

And let's see, Brady, how long have you been with the team?

A lot of a couple of years now.

Two years.

Yeah, a couple of years now.

What is it about this team?

Why did you want to join?

Is it kind of something that you've always been interested in?

Well, I've been interested in the paranormal for a long time anyway.

I've been kind of empathic my whole life.

I've been able to feel things, feel the spirits, feel, I guess the entities for a very long time.

I started ghost hunting with a few other teams around here because I've been,

I've been ghost hunting for about six, seven years now.

And did a few investigations in and around broken wings.

And they're just more of a family to me.

I was very drawn, drawn to them to the way they investigate the professionalism

that they bring to investigations, even though it is Erica and Shazine.

And we give each other shit all the time, but it is just a big family.

Hey, if we're going to do it, you may as well have fun.

Yes, yes.

There's a blooper reel on the end of every video.

There might be at the end of this podcast, too.

And then there's one more person, Susie.

Hi, Susie. How long have you been with the team?

Almost four years, it'll be four years in a few months.

Why did you want to join the team?

Is this, you know, something that maybe you've even, like Steve, you've been doing this for a long time?

Well, for me, I think it goes back to a lot of people who are interested in the paranormal

experience, have paranormal experiences.

I grew up in a haunted house as well.

I would see a lot of things, both things that were protective as well as things that could be harmful.

It scared me so bad that I ended up closing myself off.

About five years ago, my son's father had passed away. After he passed away,

I could feel a lot more things.

It's like being that close to death opened me up in some ways.

I'd always watched paranormal shows.

I've always been interested.

I've always dreamed of doing it.

But it's such a tight, close-knit community.

It's really difficult to get into.

Robbie, the founder, ended up being my brother's best friend.

And so he needed someone to come and help.

So I came to an investigation.

And he goes, okay, I'm leaving the team now.

And they decided to keep me.

That's not right.

Yeah.

Did you say was it something I said?

Because I showed up and now you're leaving.

Well, I was very confused.

I'm like, well, you're the only person I know.

I've known you for forever.

You've been my brother's best friend.

And now it's just like you're setting me on the side of the street,

literally out of cemetery.

Yeah, full of mosquitoes.

I mean, but we all get along really well.

Our team, we don't have people who quit frequently.

We don't cycle through team members.

We all have our certain, you know, the certain things that we enjoy doing.

And we get along really well.

It's been a great experience.

And that's what I wanted to ask.

I'll ask Steve, does everybody on the team kind of have their own thing they do?

And sometimes that happens by default, you know,

because, you know, Chelsea has different abilities than you have.

Absolutely.

And that's one reason why it does work so well.

We've never technically, aside from Rob leaving,

we've never lost a member.

We have removed one when we won't talk about that,

but we have removed a member that we had no choice to

because of something that happened online.

That's neither here nor there.

But yes, everybody has their own strengths,

like because we have Chelsea and Brad.

So we have two mediums that have similar abilities,

not exactly the same, but similar.

And then we have Susie, who's really,

she's kind of techy too, like I am.

So she helps me out with some of the stuff that we do on YouTube.

And she handles the live really well.

And she's really good at detecting,

like EMF and things like that.

Then we have Brady, who's,

he's just basically the life of the party.

And plus, as he said, he's empathic.

So, yeah, he is a protector.

So he definitely, he knows when he feels something at a location,

and we can usually verify that.

And then my wife, she has abilities

that she's blocked off similar to Susie years and years ago.

But it wouldn't be a team if my whole family

wasn't part of it.

I shot.

She shots, yeah.

Yeah, I do the talking.

So when we go to Pratt, when we go to,

you know, these antique or thrift stores,

yes, I just shot the whole time.

But I'm the talker.

I sit there and talk to the people behind the scenes kind of thing,

while everybody sets everything up.

And then Cody being new,

she's still in that, where she's afraid of, you know,

she doesn't know what to ask, you know,

just like all of us went through at one point.

Yeah, all did.

So we will, we're going to force her to ask questions.

It's, it's just the way it has to work.

I'm sick right now.

Yes, we're going to, we're going to hand cover

to the, in the solitary confinement area

of the prison and make her ask questions.

Is that a breaker?

No, I,

so we have lands.

So currently, Cody,

just, Cody's a pretty face right now.

It'll get much less pretty

once she starts asking.

I wish you all the best, Cody.

Don't forget Erica.

And then Erica.

Erica is the F bomb queen.

I'm the poker.

And she does do, she does all the bookings for us.

She is the absolute best at getting us locations.

I don't know that.

And keep in mind, we do.

Sometimes 30 plus a year.

Oh, you guys are busy.

Yes.

So we make the TV shows look like they're slow.

Because we don't stop.

We take off for the holidays and then we're right back at it.

Sometimes Erica will be booking March of the next year in December.

So do you guys go back to the same locations often

or do you like to go to different locations?

It takes a lot for us to repeat locations.

Okay.

It is uncommon.

Unless it's like, like the Masonic temple in the St. James

hospital where the activity is just so high or the,

or the place is so large that you can't do it in one night.

Same with the Dumas brothel.

We've done that a couple of times.

But typically we try to not do places multiple times.

But there are exceptions.

Plus we also host private events for a,

a company here in Utah called North of Grumman.

So we host private events for them.

So once we've done a location,

we won't take them to a location we haven't done before.

But once we've done a location and we feel it's safe enough to take people

that aren't as experienced, then we do that as well.

So but typically no.

As a team, we try to spread out as much as we can and keep things fresh.

Every time there are six states.

So we definitely like new things.

Yeah.

So you guys, you guys will travel to get to a location.

You're in Kansas, right?

I am in Kansas.

When are you going to worry?

Don't you worry.

We're going to get down to the Sally House eventually.

I was going to say you're going to add to sin, aren't you?

That is a one onto the little town.

Yeah.

If we can get to the Sally House, we'll get there.

That's for sure.

And there's several, if you do go and spend a few days,

because there's several different places you will want to investigate there.

There's some really good locations.

Yeah, we're definitely spreading out.

I mean, we've been as far as California.

We had plans to do other states this year,

but Eric has done a wonderful job of getting us the best locations in Idaho.

So we're going to be pretty much living in Idaho this year.

Well, the last two years was Montana, I feel.

So three years we've been to Montana.

So you guys have gone to a lot of different locations.

And there was one that I wasn't planning on talking about.

But right before we start a recording,

y'all have to go and drop something interesting on me.

Like you just went to a location this past weekend

that you said was one of the most active locations you have been to.

Yeah.

I'll start with Erica.

So tell me a little about the location you went to,

because it had antiques in there.

Yeah, so it's an antiques store called another man's treasure

in Tuwila right off of Main Street and Vine Street, I think.

Really old store.

I don't know exactly when it was built.

I think the late 1800s, Steve.

Yeah, it's late 1800s.

And then the other half of the building was built in the early 1900s.

Yeah, so super old.

It used to house minors.

It's had, it's worn a lot of different hats.

And it was just haunted as hell.

Is it a place that has been investigated by other

groups?

Do they do investigations are frequently?

Yes, I don't know.

I don't think super frequently because I think we were the first ones there in

over a year, but other groups have done it.

Well, the first group there in over a year.

If nobody's been in and out of there investigating,

I could see why you might have stirred up some stuff.

Oh my gosh, yes.

Chelsea wound up in my lap.

I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to take a passage to a priest.

Yeah, it scared the crap out of me.

That one, that's the first time in a long time.

What was the activity like?

I'll, I'll direct that to Suzy.

What was it?

Oh man.

It started out fine.

And then all of a sudden, we had this rem pod, this EMF detector,

just continually going off.

And I have a tri-field meter.

It's not spiking.

And it didn't matter where we put equipment.

It was just going off.

We're in the top floor.

There's no electricity on no reason for any type of spikes.

It was answering questions on our flux devices.

And then as we were trying to walk away,

it was like splitting us up.

Things would be happening downstairs.

We could hear like a full-blown conversation downstairs.

The entire place is closed and locked down.

There's no one else there except for us.

It was pulling people outside.

There was like a kid or Chelsea saw something.

There's something hit the window,

but there was no one outside.

We heard three knocks on the wall.

So when we're like going down, we're trying to debunk,

debunk, figure out where all of this is coming from

or what's happening.

And then as we leave, crazy stuff starts happening

for everyone else.

It was so anxiety-ridden.

The basement, it was like this constant sound

of slamming doors.

You could hear footsteps.

Things were being moved, voices,

three knocks happened multiple times.

Like whatever was there was definitely messing with us.

Let me add something about the basement.

There's a bunch of stuff in totes.

Now remember, this is the antique store.

So the basement's technically where he keeps the stuff

that doesn't belong in the store.

It hasn't gone through yet.

It hasn't gone through yet.

So there's this tote full of Halloween decorations.

And we were literally sitting there

right when Chelsea had jumped on Eric as lap.

And there's these skull lights inside the tote

that started flashing inside the tote.

So not anything we could have done

to make them go off.

They were literally inside a closed tote.

And we thought they were cat balls

that somebody left behind, digging around,

trying to find where those lights coming from.

And yes, inside a tote, the skulls are flashing.

Yeah.

And Chelsea, how did that feel for someone like you

to be in a location like that?

Was it overwhelming?

It was a little bit honestly.

I haven't been scared in a very long time.

Again, you know, having more access

and understanding of my abilities,

I'm literally like normally chasing down spirits

that I don't like downed hallways

in older band and buildings and stuff.

And so this one, the fact that it actually was scary

in me a little bit was very different.

I mean, like after I got smoked, I was okay.

But yeah, it was very different to have something

like that after not for a long time.

Because if you want the older videos,

there's a door that shuts on me and terrifies me

and I'm jumping up on mom.

She's climbing up on me.

Freaking awful.

Well, and we were freaking out

because when Chelsea gets scared,

we know there's a problem

because she sees the things and she's like,

oh, you're fine.

It only looks like the scary wolf man

you know, who has a sudden sight of him.

And it's like, okay, that's fine.

But that night, to have Chelsea scared,

scared all of us too.

Hey, your partner, I've got it the most.

So if you just did that, how long does that take you

to turn around the video and get it posted?

Is that like a few weeks?

This time of year, I try to space them out

in two-week increments.

When we get to locations that are in larger,

where like, for example,

the another man's treasure is we put eight cameras out

plus our carry-along cameras.

So that's 12 cameras.

When we do like a prison,

we might put 20 cameras out.

So depending on how much footage I have to dig through

since I'm the only one that does that,

and that's intentional.

Not that any one person on the team

would offer to help.

The problem is, is I know how to look for it.

I, it's faster if I just do it.

And there's a continuity to it as well.

Yeah, and then Suzy's great that she handles

the short videos for me.

So we, so I can focus on, you know, the long-form videos.

But typically, I try to post every two weeks.

And then when we get closer to the end of the year,

depending on how many locations we're going closer to the end of the year,

I might have to space it out longer to get us through

November and December and part of January.

Now, I want to talk to you about another location.

And is, have you investigated more than once

at the Salt Lake Masonic Temple?

Yes, we've investigated there twice.

Okay, because that is a big location.

I don't know.

I have not been there.

But looking at the pictures of it,

this is a big location, isn't it?

Yes, and we have access to all but the top, well,

the way I've accessed the first four floors.

Yeah, all right, the first floor.

The floor is above the fourth floor, just storage.

There's really no sense in going in there.

But there are multiple rooms that are designed for

ceremonies.

Yeah, ceremony rooms, like there's the,

there's a red room.

I don't remember the names of them now off top of my computer room.

It's called them around the moon.

The moon room, yeah.

Anyways, but there's four fancy rooms in there.

And the whole place is fancy, plus the auditorium.

And it doesn't matter where you go in there,

you could stay in one place all night and get activity.

You don't even have to move.

Brady, tell them about the Masonic Temple.

The Masonic Temple was blast.

And it is a big, I guess, temple.

A lot of rooms, a lot of disembodied voices.

It was crazy to me how Chelsea being a psychic medium.

They were, I guess, trying to push her out, it seemed like to me,

that they didn't want to communicate with her.

Whereas with Brett, they were kind of communicating more with him on the psychic side.

It was really, it was a crazy investigation.

Both times we went, it was a blast.

And I do want to ask about that because the Freemasons are rather secretive society,

who knows what they're doing behind closed doors.

I don't know.

But it was male, wasn't it?

It was, they really aren't any women.

Yes, predominantly male, yes.

For Chelsea, if there are a lot of Freemasons still connected to that location,

they don't want to talk to her. They want to talk to him.

Yeah, there was this one. It was crazy.

It was like a memory.

But then all of a sudden, the memory came to light.

It's like they knew I was there.

And once they noticed I was there, they pushed me out of the room and shut the door in my face.

And so like literally, like the door shut in your face.

Oh, it was when I was in my, my meditative one-on-one state with the spirits directly.

So like I go into the state where I'm in their playing, their level, their frequency.

And so it was just like in that moment.

But yeah, any of the mesons that were still there would not speak to me,

but any of the other spirits that were not nice and that were there,

they would speak to me.

So it was definitely very interesting.

What about the other girls on the team?

Did you all kind of experience that in a different way?

Yeah, they were calling us sluts and bitches and whores.

Yeah, they were telling us to shut the F up.

I mean, they were so disrespectful, so rude.

Like, shut up, woman.

Oh, wow.

And Laura, did you pick up on that too?

Yeah.

I've had some experiences with the Masonic Temple when I was younger.

So it's kind of a creepy place to me anyway.

But my friend, her brother was a Mason and she was a Job's daughter.

So I went there for dances and parties and ceremonies and stuff.

And had some weird experiences myself.

But yeah, it is male oriented.

So yeah, I did pick up on a lot of that too.

But even though it's a temple, they host public events.

So they'll have raves.

They'll have rustling.

They do concerts and shows.

So it's not like a sacred temple.

In a sense, I guess it is to some extent.

Because my guess would be that a lot of the activity there

goes back to the people who were really tied to that

building because of the free basins.

Kind of the founders of that building or the builders that building.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One thing we found inside of the Masonic Temple was a lot of the spirits were

peakers where they would show themselves on camera.

But they would just peek around the corner and then disappear.

It's like they're just sitting there watching us

we had one shadow figure that ran across the stage

in the auditorium behind the entire team.

And Erica felt it.

She couldn't see anything.

But did that feel like Erica?

Terrifying.

I never hide my fear.

You'll hear every swear word out there come out of my mouth.

And then I'm going to bail and leave everybody for fucking dead.

All sacrifice is whole team.

I just have to outrun all of them.

It's like there goes Erica.

Somebody stop her and find out what happened before she leaves.

Because I just could see why women might be treated differently there

than the men.

And so Steve what was the experience then like for you?

I didn't have any fears there but I could tell you know

in some places you go to where you'll be like

all the energy shifting or and usually it's somebody else that's picking up on that.

But in this case I could feel the energy shifting especially when we were in the Egyptian room.

And that's where we captured most of the stuff I think was in the Egyptian room.

But what I don't understand is as pro-male as it is,

why we captured the apparition of an eight or nine-year-old child there.

That was crazy girl.

Not just once but twice in two different rooms in two different rooms.

Man that's the last place you want to see a little girl.

Well you know we have theories I'm not going to say what they you know what they are but

we have theories and I'm sure you can grasp where I'm going.

But Chelsea kind of saw something oh not so great with a child you know kind of like a

some sort of.

Or vice.

Yeah.

Something like that.

So yeah.

For me.

Take that with you know with a grain of salt but we've captured a little girl two times

and I'm sure if we went back she may go she may have gone back there.

Who knows you know you you never really know.

Well in the Freemasons too or one of those organizations I get why they originated.

They had a skill set you know and if you go to Europe and you look at

these buildings you can see what they did they they it's art it's very artistic.

I don't get what I don't get what the Freemasons continued to do and why it was kind of secretive.

Yeah and I don't know and I've gotten very little out of my father or my brother who are

both Masons you know that you you would never get any information out of anybody but

the weird thing is is like a lot of the temples that were built back in the days of you know

the late 1800s early 1900s they all have like any Egyptian room so it's like there's they're

themed and the themes there has to be a purpose behind the themes to these rooms because they're

all basically the same they don't look the same but they contain the same things and there's

an altar in every single room. It ain't hard to see what they look like as we visit all the rooms

and there's an altar in every single one of them and you can't get anything out of your brother

and your dad. Nope. My dad's past but my brother nope I mean after my dad passed I gave my brother

meant my dad's watch his mason watch but because I can't be a mason don't want to be one but

yeah my brother won't say nothing it's they all take it to the grave. So when we were there

because I was asking questions about the queen supreme the daughters of the Nile and at one point

we heard singing coming from upstairs. So we went upstairs to investigate figure out what it was

and it ended up being in like the dressing room where all of the women will go and be

maybe before before performances and we found a sheet with all of the songs at the women's

sink. Yep. And so it was kind of crazy that we heard the singing. We go up there. You guys said

you've been there twice correct. Yes. Was it the same type of activity both times or pretty much

identical. Really? Most locations when you go more than once and Idaho prison would be a good

example of that. The first time we went we had a lot of in the moment stuff going on and the

second time we went we captured more visual evidence the second time but nothing was happening in

the moment it was like there was nothing there and we were even investigating areas of the prison

that nobody else had ever investigated. Our favorite host Leslie is at the Idaho prison. She is

our favorite person to host an event period. She's the best time. Do you want to narrow that down

a little bit? She got stuck her for this summer. We get her again. Yeah. So what is it about her

that you that makes her such a great host? She's just a good time and she steps in. She's funny.

She's funny and she jump in. Yeah she does jump in. She knows the history so she knows what to listen

for. She'll tell us oh you make sure you check that because I guarantee I just heard this or

something like that and it's just the way that she interacts with us. I mean she's almost like

having an extra team member when we're there. She's she fits in with our group.

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