Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 14) (4/4/26)

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode, we're going to dive right back in to the unnamed captain and his interview

with the OIG investigators.

Question and none of that was in there.

Answer none of that was in there.

Question and where is that file located?

Answer it's supposed to be located in the OIC right here.

In the OIC, question when you say the OIC is at the shoe where the OIC sits.

Answer yeah.

Question and anyone could have had access to that?

Answer yes.

Question and had you ever seen that file before that time?

Answer no.

Question did you ever locate it after that time?

Answer no.

Question so it's likely that someone took documents out if they should have been in there

and they're not in there is that so someone likely took things out?

Answer yeah.

Question who did it but someone likely did?

Answer in my belief yes those documents were purposefully taken.

Question and can you think of a reason why they would have been taken?

Answer I don't know sir.

Question all right but you had never seen them before?

Answer no sir.

Question and would that be he gets cut off by the captain?

That wouldn't be my purview to go through to audit those files.

Question okay who would be the person to ask about that?

Answer that would have been the lieutenant.

Question so redacted answer redacted or lieutenant redacted.

He would have been the one that would have audited the files.

Question okay answer because they do the SROs.

Question and did you ask him where the file was?

Answer of course I called him.

Question and what did he say?

Answer he didn't know.

He had no knowledge.

Question all right so he claimed he doesn't know anything about it?

Did he ever say that he looked at the file before?

Answer no.

No I don't remember him saying that but when I called him that Saturday because I had

a conversation with redacted on that Saturday and that Sunday because he was supposed

to come to work that Sunday.

So once he found out about the situation with Epstein because I had called him and I

said hey man where is his inmate file?

What are you talking about?

I said his shoe file is not up there.

XYZ so I informed him of what happened.

Sunday I get a call that he broke his leg and then redacted was out for like six months.

Question and did he really break his leg?

Answer I wouldn't know.

Is there any reason to believe or had you heard that he actually didn't answer again?

He was supposed to be in that training like I said, right?

What do you call it when you go for reserves training?

Yep.

He was in military question, military training answer because of his military training.

So he tells me they they're doing the PT that next day which was Sunday.

He broke his leg.

Then did he ever provide any kind of documentation?

Answer.

Hmm.

Question no.

Answer.

Hmm.

He did provide something but it was from a doctor.

I mean and that was sent through.

He provided documentation but I can't.

I don't.

I'm not a doctor.

So I can't tell you what it is and I'm not going to call the doctor to verify if that

was the situation but basically it said that he had a substantial leg injury that prevented

him from coming to work.

So have you had any conversations with him since answer?

Oh, he came back.

So then so redacted one out in August through September, October, November, December.

I think he came back either December or January question of 2019 answer of 2020.

Question.

Okay.

Answer.

So he came back and he went back up to the shoe as the OIC question and ever in any

conversation.

Did you guys talk about this matter?

Answer.

I had discussed it with him on the phone twice, question and tell me about those discussions.

Answer those discussions.

So basically I asked him about the inmate file.

I talked to him about it that Sunday he alerted me that he was injured.

When he came back we had discussions that the staff, when he would me and redacted

where I go I would say out of all the lieutenants me and redacted we spoke a lot.

I thought very highly of him and he would talk and he was saying that he was having difficulties

with the staff and his other peers because he, you know, the appearance that he faked

the injury.

Question.

Oh, so there was a rumor answer and not to be part of what everybody else was going through

during that Epstein situation.

So he was getting it from the lieutenants and he was also getting it from the lying staff.

Question.

Okay.

So on him is there anything that you know?

I know he wasn't there those days, but if there's anything there that he did wrong, answer.

What redacted being wrong, I'm not going to say he did something wrong or purposeful,

you know, to say that, you know, to cause the death of inmate Epstein.

Of course not.

I'm not going to say that.

And yeah, and I'm not asking that or saying that I'm just saying he gets cut off answer.

This is in my opinion, if I'm a third party, I'm a third party and I'm going to be honest.

If I'm a third party looking at this, somebody would say I'm wrong.

They would say you failed to supervise your staff.

You should have been auditing all the paperwork.

You should have been more responsive or you should have been more responsible and been

in the unit more.

You should have done more rounds.

You should have did more training.

You understand what I'm saying?

Question sure answer, but guess what?

That's not my purview.

As the captain security, I did this, this, this, that in the third, but everybody has a job

to do in a prison.

The officers have a job to count, maintain accountability for the inmate population.

The lieutenants all over see the staff and make sure they're doing their jobs, right?

And then ultimately me, as the captain, over the lieutenants, I have to reassure that

they're doing their jobs right.

But when you go back and you start going through fine tooth, calming through documents, that

you think in that, you know, your staff are doing the right thing.

And now you find out that people are fudge and documents and creating documents, that

or counting inmates, that wasn't in the institution.

Question, well in this instance, it sounds like somebody removed files.

Answer and doing all of these things that after the fact, you're like, I can't believe

this is happening.

Question so if somebody removed files though, I'm assuming if they're trying to cover something

up, it would have happened on like the 10th, the 9th or the 10th, correct?

Answer the 10th as soon as they found out he passed away.

Question and well did a lot of people have access to that room at that time?

Answer it was at the time, it would have been, and it's not a room you're talking about,

wherever this file was located.

So when you come into the unit, you walk into the unit.

Question all right, this is a good transition.

Answer all right, question, I believe that this is a map of the shoe.

Answer right, question, can you tell me what we're looking at here?

Where are the staff located?

And where would this file be?

And then where would Epstein sell be?

If you know, my understanding is that his cell was the closest to them at approximately

15 feet away.

Answer shit, question, but that's without ever putting eyes on it.

Answer right, all right, question aside from video.

Answer so the office, bird cage office, I'm trying to figure out which one is the entrance

into the unit.

Question speaking of entrances into the unit, my understanding is that there are two ways,

two doors that you've got to go through.

One is in control, he gets cut off by the captain, yeah.

Investigator resumes his question, accesses, and then the interior is what the shoe staff

and how do they open it from the shoe staff?

Answer by key, question by key, answer by key, question, and what's the key called?

Is it a gate key?

Answer it's a prison key, question, oh, just a prison key.

It doesn't have a special name, answer, redacted, phonetic spelling, question, excuse me, answer,

it's a redacted key, it's a prison key, question, but it's not like a special name that you

call it in the shoe, answer no, it's the OIA number, one key, question, okay, but so

they physically have to open in order to get anyone in or out of the shoe, they physically

have to open, he gets cut off by the captain, after they open it.

And there's only one way in and out, answer, right, question, okay, answer, no, but I

mean yeah, yes, precisely, I'm trying to figure out even if this is orientation of me looking

at this, is I'm trying to figure out because I know this is the, this is the first floor.

Question, I'm assuming there's, he gets cut off by the captain, there's your stairs,

so I'm trying to figure out this is L, yeah, that's L, then you've got J, so he was

on L tier, right, question, answer, so L tier, it wouldn't be like this.

And then you would have had the officer station, which this would have been the officer station,

and that's going to the officer station, there would have been a file cabinet because

the desk go up around like this. So that file cabinet sat right behind the desk, so hopefully

that's better orientation. And then the cell, I think it's L tier that Jeffrey Epstein

was assigned to was 16 question, when you say assigned to answer or something like that

question, it sounds like was he not in that cell answer, he wasn't in the right cell,

he was not there question, he was in a different cell than he was assigned answer, you didn't

know that question, no, well, tell me about this, so where, so is the first time that he

was ever not in the right cell answer, he was not in the right cell, sir, after we went

back and we started looking at the century paperwork and all that stuff, the inmate was

not in the right cell for six days. Question, so that means for six days, he was in the

wrong, gets cut off by the captain, so basically he was assigned to this cell, he died in this

cell question, but for six days, he was going to the wrong cell, so it wasn't like just

the one day that he was found dead answer right, so they had him quartered over here,

but it was inmates already over there, and then you understand what I'm saying, but he

was found in this cell question, I don't understand when you say he gets cut off by the captain,

wait, let's point to the cell because I just want to get an idea, but I think it's

L, I think he was found on L tier right, do you know that question, that's my understanding

answer, yeah, that's my understanding too. Question L tier, answer L tier, question again,

I don't know the layout, there's got to be somewhere where it says it on this answer because

that's G, yeah, that's it should be J and L, so when you come up the steps, I think this

was supposed to be that's his assignment, this cell over here, but he was found in one

of these cells over here, question, now do you know why did you ask that question, answer

because what they were doing consistently is is that they do cell rotation, which is supposed

to be done between every 30 days, they may have moved the inmates, but they weren't changing the

PP34 transaction in century, question all right, so what, he gets cut off by the captain,

so the inmates were moved right physically, but the century paperwork would never be done.

Question, so he was supposed to be moved, they just didn't follow with what the necessary

paperwork was, answer no, he was in this cell, they must have moved him in century, they

must have moved him right, but he when the century assignment came up, it showed that he was

still remained assigned to that cell instead of him being physically found in this cell.

Question, but what I'm saying is like it sounds like they were supposed to move him,

they just never did the paperwork to say that he was moved, answer correct.

Question, okay, so it's not like I mean, I guess they technically put him in the wrong cell

because he wasn't technically assigned to that, but the move was supposed to happen,

they just didn't follow with the administrative part of it, answer right.

Question, so aside from the administrative failure, is there any other suspicion about the fact

that he wasn't in the assigned cell? Answer, it was, and also, the suspicion was,

why did he have so much linen and so many t-shirts and so many blankets? No, we're taught to get

you one blanket, maybe two. You get one, two, until you get two t-shirts, two boxers, two pairs of socks.

Question, was that question asked? I mean, did you ask like, hey, redacted or any of that shoe

staff since then? Answer, of course. Question, and what did they say? Answer, I mean, they're going

to be like, I don't know, how would I know? Question, who was responsible? Answer, but you know what?

That happens all the time, sir, because I will tell you I could clean out shoe, I've done it,

and they could say I've went up there physically, supervisor is going in there,

cleaning out the shoe, I think I did it three or four times. Well, and then, last

than a week, I could go back, do rounds, and inmates, got all the stuff back.

Question, who was responsible for giving it to them? Answer, the staff, because the staff have

the keys. Question, and they just say, you need more, here you go. Answer, here you go.

Question, well, would the staff do it, or would the lieutenant do it? Answer, I don't think

lieutenant would do it. Question, so he gets cut off again by the captain, it's more staff.

Question, okay, answer, because they don't want to hear an inmate crying.

All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here, and in the next episode, dealing with the

topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode

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