Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 8) (3/31/26)

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode we're going to pick up where we left off with the unnamed captain from the MCC

and his interview with the OIG investigators.

Question, all right, inmates, cellmates, and are typically the people that are assigned to the

shoe. Are they in those three shifts or would you have hit the people that are assigned between

that time period? So point being, maybe you don't remember specifically, I had a conversation with

that person or that person or that person. But if they're assigned to the shoe, not a temporary

duty assignment, like an OT type of assignment, but the people that were assigned there, that was

their duty too. He cuts them off and answers. So like I remember specifically, I hit day watch

redacted, I remember redacted, whatever his name, I remember these guys. I know I spoke to

redacted, I know I spoke to different guys, the shoe staff, that was always up there.

Question, but you just don't specifically remember talking to Noel? Answer no. Question, okay, answer,

she might have been in the background somewhere. Question, right. Answer, she could have been there,

I don't know. Question, but redacted should have spoken with her. Answer, of course. Question,

okay, answer, because that's part of that's part of the expectations of the unit. If I give you

guidance, your guidance should have been disseminated down to the officers. Question, okay, how about the

people? So we were going to get into this later, but since we're conversing about it now, it looks

like Reyes was moved. I think his appointment with court was at like 830. And he was gone from the

institution by like 150. Does that sound right? Answer, something like that. It could have been

questions. So who is in the shoe at that time? If he's gone from the institution by like 150 PM,

who would have? He gets cut off. Answer, so that would have been all of your six to two and your

eight to four staff. Question, okay. So I guess let's go from the top. Who would have been the person

in charge at the top level? Answer, that I mean as far as that would have been shoe one because he

would have gotten the notice that he was supposed to move the guys. Question, and who was that? Answer,

and move the inmate. Question, and who was that? Answer, it was redacted. Question, and what time

was he working from? Answer, he was working from eight to four. Question, so he was eight to four.

And those times are accurate on there. And if some lieutenant said, oh, we, you know, it says

zero to eight, but where actually 10 PM gets cut off. Answer, and that's true, but the officers

work those prescribed shifts. Question, okay. Answer, the lieutenant was given those shifts because

of their commutes. Question, okay. Answer, some of them were commuting two hours out. So for them to

come from various parts of Jersey or Long Island, you know, as a consensus, we said, hey, I will

continue because that was the previous administration, the previous captain put that in for those guys.

So, you know, with those conversations, you know, with the lieutenants, I said, I'll keep that.

I said, you know, you try to do things where I come from, where we didn't do those things.

You know, as far as that, you know, the captain ran his shifts, whatever the shift was, you did it.

But when I came to Brooklyn, that was a common practice in Brooklyn, you know, the captain would

allow them when I was the lieutenant would allow for us, you know, to work those shifts. And due to

we've got a staff that commute far out. So that was just an incentive to get these guys to come

to work. You know, question, sure. Answer, so yes. Question, but the times for these, the shoe staff,

that's the actual hours that listed on that. Answer, but for the line staff, the line staff,

that roster correctly imitates their schedule. Question perfect. So who then, I guess you said

they would be working until 4 p.m. Answer, right. Question, so they would have at least two hours to

be able to do something. Answer, right. Question, and who was it? That was on that day. Answer, so I had

redacted, I had redacted, I had redacted, and I had redacted. Question, and did you speak with all

of those individuals about the need for a cellmate? Answer, I believe I did because they were day watch,

but like I said, it wouldn't have been on August 9th. Question, right. Answer, it would have been

on the unit. Question, okay. Answer, for that quarter. So once I got the guidance from redacted

of what he wanted me to do, I moved on and did it. So I can't tell you, but I know I spoke the day,

watch shoe staff. Question, sure. Answer, they was the first ones I spoke to. Question, so who,

then, out of there, who would have the shoe staff reported the matter to? Answer, the what now?

Question, so the shoe staff that's in there, they know that he doesn't have a cellmate, and the

cellmate is not coming back. Answer, okay, so they would have known that he wasn't coming back

until probably evening watch. Question, okay, so you don't think that those guys would have known,

answer, no, they wouldn't have known, because I don't know when the inmate left the institution,

but what happens is when the court line comes out, I believe that the inmates leave the institution,

supposed to, between six and eight, or seven, you know, let's say seven to nine. So between that time,

those inmates are, they're picked up, and then they're transported to a court. Question, okay, so

what time did redacted work? What was his shift? Answer, redacted was eight to four. Question,

so if we can, let's assume for this instance that redacted knows that he needs a cellmate. Answer,

right. Question, what should he have done? Answer, probably, wouldn't have known. Question, but

let's just say for this instance that he did know. Answer, so if he knew, question, he knew that

he needed a cellmate, and he knew that the cellmate wasn't coming back. Question, he probably wouldn't,

but what I'm trying to tell you, sir, he probably wouldn't have known. Question, I know, but in this

instance, I'm just saying, let's just say that he did. Answer, okay, so the instance of that would

have happened, what would have happened was, he should have, okay, this guy is not coming, he should

have notified me. Question, okay, answer, and should have been like, hey, Cap, hey,

Reyes, Epstein, cellmate, hey, he went to court, he's not coming back. Question, and he did not

answer, no, question, okay. Answer, no one later informed me that the inmate had even went to court,

I didn't even know he went to the court, because guess what, during the time this inmate is in

court, Epstein is in attorney visiting all day. Question, sure, answer, so nobody would have even

thought about it, because oh, Epstein is in the attorney visiting, his cellmate is not in there,

okay, his cellmate went to court. Nobody would have been made aware that he didn't have a cell

cell, he until they went to put him in physically inside of the cell. Question, okay, so when do you

think it would have been in this instance, when do you think it would have come up? Answer,

as far as knowing, he didn't have a cell, question, correct, answer, somebody should have known

when he didn't come, that should have been on evening watch. Question, so he was on evening watch,

answer, so evening watch, well, let's see here, you're talking about the OIC, question in the shoe,

answer, yeah, that would have been redacted, question, okay, so redacted, and who should have he

reported the matter to? Answer, he should have reported it to the operations lieutenant,

question, and who was the operations lieutenant at the time? Answer, I believe the lieutenant

would have been, that would have been redacted. Question, all right, and redacted again,

you, no one told you, so obviously redacted didn't tell you, so okay, and would redacted,

gone directly to redacted? Answer, yeah, he would have called, redacted, but guess what, I was there,

I didn't leave that night until like eight, eight something, I was there until eight that night.

Question right, and you did not visit the shoe that night though, correct? Answer, I can't remember.

Question, all right, answer, I'm not going to say I did, or I did make that rounds that day,

or I didn't, I don't know. Question, yeah, answer, but I know I didn't leave that institution

until late that night. Question and you know though, that Reyes, you were never aware on that day,

August 9th at Reyes, you didn't even know he went to court, let alone he wasn't coming back. Answer,

correct. Question, all right, and redacted is somebody that you did have a conversation with,

with regard to the need for a cellmate, correct? Answer, I don't know if I again talking to people

in all three shifts, do I remember redacted working in the unit? Yeah, but as you're talking to

people, I don't remember that, hey, I talked to certain people that I can't remember that I spoke

specifically to. Question, right? Answer, as opposed to some people, you know, could have been in the

area, that's why I can't, I know I talked to the day watch shoe staff for sure. Question, okay,

answer, and I mentioned those names, I talked to those guys. Question, so but redacted should have

certainly have told them. Answer, yes, question, so he's in the office in charge, who else was on

that day? Answer, you had tovon a well, and she was the number two, and then you had redacted,

tovon a well, correct? Answer, yeah, question, okay. Answer, no well, and then you had redacted with

shoe three that day, and then you had shoe four was not assigned. Question, okay, so those three

people were in the shoe. So was it ultimately the officer in charge responsibility, or should have

these other two redacted in the well have taken any action, should have contacted anyone?

Answer, well, if you're walking and you're doing rounds in the unit, you would see especially at

the four count, because you need to know where all your inmates are, so at the four count, and where

is Epstein? Epstein is at, he's in the attorney visiting, because I'm going to get a

counsellor from the attorney visiting, right? Where's Reyes? Reyes is out the court. Then somebody should

have called R&D indiscernible, where is this guy at? Somebody should have called R&D, that means

the lieutenant would have been notified, because you can't clear the count. Where is the inmate at?

Question, right? Answer, so if you can't clear the count, where is the inmate? The inmate went out,

but it's now four o'clock, but I did say that sometimes inmates come back on the four o'clock,

so they call that ghosting. So, supposedly, he's supposed to be at court, but did you get a

counsellor from court? No, when he leaves out of the institution, that's on them, so that means

the institution number should have came down minus one. Question, so you believe that the shoe

should have known by four p.m. during the four p.m. count? Answer, yeah. Question, all right,

and let's, in this case, if they do account at four p.m., should they have somehow known otherwise

after that? So, would someone have contacted them and said, by the way, this guy is not coming back?

Answer, right, so that means that the four o'clock count, when you're going through the unit,

he gets cut off, question, but if you didn't do a four p.m. count, so let's just say in this instance,

that they didn't do a four p.m. count, answer, nobody would know.

So, unless they do the count, they don't even know that the guy is not coming back, question,

answer, that's right. Question, so no one is calling them and saying, by the way,

your guy that went to court, he's not coming back? Answer, right, question, okay, answer,

because you told you before, sometimes inmates go to court, and they don't come back. The only

time you're going to know is when these guys always come back from the court line, by four.

Question, okay, answer, but sometimes they don't come back at four. All right, folks, we're

going to wrap up right here, and in the next episode, dealing with the topic, we're going to

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