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Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 4) (3/27/26)

The Epstein Chronicles·Mar 27, 2026·11:06

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This deposition comes from an unnamed captain at the Metropolitan Correctional Center and provides a detailed account of how Jeffrey Epstein was managed inside the facility, particularly in the Special Housing Unit. The captain describes Epstein’s status following his prior suicide incident, including the decision-making process around his housing, monitoring level, and classification. The testimony highlights that Epstein had previously been placed under suicide watch but was later removed from those heightened precautions, despite ongoing concerns about his mental state. It also addresses Epstein’s resistance to having a cellmate and the facility’s shifting responses to that issue, revealing a pattern where known risks were acknowledged but not consistently acted upon.

The deposition also exposes broader operational failures within MCC, particularly regarding supervision, communication, and adherence to protocol. The captain’s account suggests that while staff were aware of Epstein’s vulnerability, the systems in place failed to ensure continuous and effective monitoring. Decisions around staffing, inmate placement, and observation procedures appear fragmented, with lapses that ultimately left Epstein in a position that contradicted earlier risk assessments. The testimony reinforces the larger picture of institutional breakdown, where responsibility was diffused across personnel and safeguards that should have been firmly in place were instead inconsistently applied.

What makes this account difficult to accept at face value is how neatly it shifts the burden onto procedural gray areas rather than confronting the glaring contradictions in custody decisions. The captain’s testimony acknowledges that Epstein was a known suicide risk, had already experienced a prior incident, and required heightened oversight, yet still attempts to frame the subsequent downgrade in monitoring as routine or justified. That explanation strains credibility when measured against the totality of circumstances, particularly the repeated deviations from established suicide prevention protocols and the failure to enforce basic safeguards like consistent observation and appropriate cell assignments. Instead of clarifying responsibility, the deposition reads more like an exercise in institutional self-preservation—where systemic failures are reframed as isolated judgment calls, and accountability is diluted across layers of bureaucracy. In that context, the official narrative begins to look less like a coherent explanation and more like a patchwork defense designed to explain away decisions that, taken together, point to a breakdown that should never have occurred in a high-security federal facility.

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What's up, everyone?

And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode, we're going to pick up

what the unnamed MCC Captain and his interview

with the OIG inspectors investigating

the death of Jeffrey Epstein.

Question, so when the investigation comes down,

of course, inmate Epstein would have been interviewed,

inmate Tartaglione would have been interviewed,

at which time you would have took those statements,

you would have waved, and then you would have took

into consideration any witness statement

or anything that was observed during the clinical assessment.

So that's why health services helps us out,

because the inmates don't want to understand

that everything they're doing or anything they're saying

is being entered on the clinical assessment.

Investigators, sure.

Answered by the captain, so that's where they were saying

that he wasn't, his actions, may not have been

what they should have been for the person

that was quasi-supposed to have been assaulted.

Or if he was supposed to have been unconscious,

you were displaying this type of manipulative behavior.

So again, I wasn't there.

So I don't know what occurred.

I'm just going by what?

The information that was relayed back to me.

Question, absolutely.

So as far as Tartaglione, what was he in for?

Answer, I believe that Tartaglione was responsible

for he was a former police officer, I believe,

and I believe he had killed four people,

and then he buried them, buried the victims,

somewhere up near Otisville Prison.

I think that's what it was back in the day.

Question, okay, answer, yeah, something like that.

Question, so he was actually in for murder though?

Answer, yeah, it was murder.

He was in for murder, and whatever other stuff he was doing.

Doing in his capacity as a police officer,

question, and who selected him to, and why, to be abstained.

He gets cut off by the captain, who selected him,

answer, who selected him to be abstained roommate, and why?

Answer, I don't remember who vetted Tartaglione.

But what I will tell you is that,

even though Tartaglione had murder on his jacket,

Tartaglione was an inmate that had issues

being in general population.

He understand what I'm saying.

Answer, or question, uh-huh, former police officer,

answer former police officer, he had issues

because I've dealt with Tartaglione at Brooklyn,

so he was up on one of the units in Brooklyn,

and he had issues with those inmates and those blocks,

where they're made for people who are sex offenders.

For inmates that have issues with,

when they go to population, general, they can't cope.

Former law enforcement, these types of guys,

are in that unit, so you don't really have that much issue

in those types of units because these guys

are going to do their time or wait for their sentencing,

and then they move on.

So you don't really have a lot of violence,

but this guy was always in the mix of something.

Question, uh-huh, answer,

but we couldn't put him on general population unit,

and you can't just throw him in the shoe.

You know what I'm saying?

Just because, just you can.

So on Brooklyn, we had the ability to put him,

I think it was K82.

I can't remember, but when he goes to MCC, you know,

they don't have those type of units.

So he would have to go to general population

or he would go to the shoe.

So if the inmate fails the program

and said, I'm not going to population, you can't force me.

So when you do his assessment,

his unit team does the assessment,

psychology does their assessment,

health services does their assessment,

and say, well, hey, this guy is clear to go to GP.

There's nothing precluding him to go,

but the inmate said, well, you know, I'm 306.

306 is refusal of programs.

I'm not going, so put me in the shoe.

So that's how he ended up in the shoe.

Answer, sure.

So he was in the shoe already?

Answer, yeah.

Question, and do you believe he was a good placement

for Epstein?

Answer, well, at the time again,

you would have to be mindful.

How could I put this inmates are not placed in cells

based on race or but however, or gang affiliation?

All of these things that, you know, but however,

you vet inmates.

So you say, okay, well, you have guys up there at the MCC

that we're facing murder charges.

There's a lot of them.

Hey, I mean, if they're in the shoe,

that means they can't cope on the outside.

They can't cope in general population unit.

So we would look at him just like another inmate.

He never heard another inmate question,

and that was going to be my next question.

So he wasn't known to assault anyone.

Answer, bro, he never assaulted another inmate.

Answer, okay, question, yeah, he got a murder beef.

Okay, that's fine, but guess what?

He never hurt any other inmates while incarcerated.

Question, sure.

So taking, taking though that he was incarcerated

due to murder and that Epstein claimed

that he tried to murder him.

Do you think that?

Do you believe that there was any credibility to that claim?

Answer again, what I will say is,

what I will tell you, like you said,

my statement before that it was brought to my attention

that inmate Epstein was doing manipulative behavior,

kind of testing the water to see what he can get away with.

Being his initial incarceration,

probably not too familiar with being in jail,

but however, he's a smart guy.

He kind of figured out what he could do in order for him.

One, not to go to GP, two, try to get in the shoe

and try to get a sell by himself.

That's kind of where he wanted it to go.

Question, so then he wanted to be in the shoe by himself

and that may have been why he said that.

Okay, so you believe that he made the claim

against Artaglioni because he wanted to be in a sell by himself.

Question, that's my belief after looking at everything

and everything that was done, I believe so.

I think that would be accurate.

Question, okay, it says he was placed

back on Suicide Watch for approximately one week.

So that happened on the 23rd and it brought him up

to about July 30th, is that correct?

Answer correct.

Question of 2019, unlike his first and previous placement

on Suicide Watch, Epstein now has definitive suicidal tendencies

reported in his incarceration history.

The staff was tasked with determining whether Epstein

was in fact suicidal or using tactics

to avoid assignment of a cellmate.

After Suicide Watch, Epstein was placed

on psychological observation and eventually returned

to the shoe.

Now again, and just to go back, this tense out thing

that didn't wear a lieutenant bringing it to you like hey,

should he be on tense out?

Answer no.

Question, you don't recall any lieutenant saying that.

Answer, that wouldn't be a lieutenant's purview.

Question, sure, answer a lieutenant most of the people

and then I will tell you I didn't understand Sam's placement

until I became a deputy captain.

Question, okay, answer all right.

And I understood that, you know, these guys,

you just can't put a guy as a Sam's,

that identifier, that's an identifier that has to come

from central office.

Question, okay, answer BOP central office.

Question, so if a lieutenant, so if we're talking

to a lieutenant's and they're saying he should have been

in tense out, but they don't know what they're talking

about basically, answer no.

Because that identifier, because I believe you know,

this is an identifier that's put on the inmate,

just like I'll give you an example,

sentencing designations, okay, that's their job.

They're going to do, say, what security level inmates,

what type of prisons they go to, if they're a transgender,

you know, all the different things,

all that stuff is going to come from the central office

to say, okay, we looked at this,

particular inmate's history or PSI.

And we feel that the identifier needs to be placed

on this inmate.

So a Sam's identification or a moniker,

put on an inmate, executive staff, can't put that on there.

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