Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 5) (3/28/26)

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode

of the Epstein Chronicles.

In this episode we're gonna get right back to

the onname captain from the MCC and his interview

with the OIG inspectors.

Question, so give me a little background on Reyes.

What was he in for?

Answer, I believe Reyes was Hispanic, older male.

I believe that particular inmate was in for.

I think he was in for a child, some type of sexual stuff.

I can't remember.

Answer or question, some kind of charge with,

charge dealing with sexual, he gets cut off

with those types of charges, a similar charge to that.

Similar to Epstein, I believe, or I can't remember.

Question, okay, was he, when he was being vetted,

was he close to like a release date or anything like that

and anticipated release date?

Answer, no one knew that because this is what you need

to understand about MCC.

MCC and MDC are basically jails, they're not prisons.

It's a jail, so that means if a guy goes to court,

you know, you get locked up, and then the next day,

you might go to court, the judge might say no,

I'm releasing you, we don't know.

Question, sure, answer, the only time we'll know

is when the inmates come back from court,

where is this guy at?

He was released.

Okay, now we got this guy still in our account,

so if they don't bring a transfer order, our account is bad.

So they're going to bring the transfer order back

with them for court line.

These guys got released, so normally court line

is over before or for, so we try to get these guys up,

do some inmates come back after for, yes they do,

but however, we don't know if an inmate goes out to court

if they're coming back.

However, there is times when they put out the roster

and it's given to as far as all correctional officers

that work the units and it'll say court line inmate Reyes

using him as an example, WAB.

That means that he has to come downstairs

with all his belongings.

So if they say it, that means he's not coming back.

That's either he's transferring to another BOP facility

or he's going to be released to the street.

But I can guarantee you that that transfer

of that roster, that inmate Reyes was on that day,

it didn't say WAB because it would have said WAB,

the first thing that the OIC should have said,

that's my orange tag guy,

because I made them do all the orange tag guys

and I made them put up, put them up on the board.

Epstein is that orange tag guy.

He's supposed to have a celly WAB.

Oh, Cap, Shulu Tenant wasn't there,

but he would have called me directly.

Hey, so and so don't have a cell.

Question, yeah.

So how long did it take to vet?

You know, I know you said you started it with 10

and then it brought down to three

and then the regional director ultimately decided the one

but how long does the process take?

Answer, I believe it took.

I'm thinking we did it.

We did a day, it took a day.

I mean, we actually went, you know,

I don't know, I know either the warden

and I was having a lengthy conversation

because the warden wanted to ensure

redacted philosophy when dealing with Mr. Epstein

was this, he's another inmate

and what he tried to get across to executive staff

and what he tried to get across to us as me as the captain

to when I disseminated down to the subordinate staff,

this is another inmate who cares about what his charges are.

Or since he's sensationalized in the media and nobody cares,

we're going to manage him appropriately

because if you know anything about gels and the BOP,

especially Brooklyn and MCC, we don't run those gels.

The courts run those gels.

So and that's the truth.

The court, the judges, whatever the judge says goes.

So and that's unfortunate, but that's neither here nor there.

So redacted wanted the staff to say no.

This is the inmate, yeah.

He has certain charges,

but we're going to make sure he gets everything

that all the inmates get when they come to MCC.

The inmates are going to get proper care.

The inmate is going to get showers.

The inmate is going to be fed, whatever it may be.

But however, after those situations with Epstein,

where it showed that his behavior was manipulative

when it shows that he was trying to get things

for unnecessary gain or he would do anything to get anything

that would benefit him.

We had to take some different protocols.

We had to take a different, they had to take a different approach.

Different mindset with this guy

or the way we managed them had to change

because we already had this guy saying

that he was going to be killed and all this stuff or whatever.

So we just wanted to make sure moving forward,

we put protocols in place that will protect us as an agency.

Question, so speaking of protocols, was it discussed?

Then when you were vetting these,

hey, we have an inmate constantly moving out of here.

If Reyes is moved, one of these other two

that were down to the three would be moved in with them,

was that discussed?

Answer, no.

He would just basically, because like I said again at MCC,

you wouldn't know how long the duration on the inmate's day.

Question, sure.

Answer, you wouldn't know.

Question, so you just have to start the vetting process

over again.

Answer, all over again.

Whoever is available in the unit,

that may be single-celled,

because as you know, our policy and protocol

in the Bureau of Prisons are dealing with restricted inmates

and special housing units, they cannot be sold alone.

They must have a cellmate.

Question, in the special housing unit,

everyone must have a cellmate.

Answer, aha, question, oh, I didn't know that.

So every single one needs to have a cellmate.

Answer, except because it's one of the areas

that we didn't discuss outside of 10 South.

There was a range that was meant for.

It was like a step down from 10 South.

That only had one man cell occupancy,

which was on G-range.

Question, okay, was that part of the special housing unit?

Answer, aha, question.

So there's a part of the special housing unit

that is a one-man occupancy,

another part that has two-man occupancy.

Answer, that's correct.

Question, okay, and Epstein was housed

in the two-man occupancy answer, yep.

Question, was it ever discussed to put them in?

One of the one-man occupancies, answer, no, question, no.

Answer, because all those cells were filled with inmates

that were vetted, that needed that type of supervision.

Question, okay, answer, you had inmates in there

that if they were put with other inmates

inside of special housing, they would die.

They would be assaulted, so we have to make those

considerations.

So the protocols of how we dealt with inmates

according to their situation, I believe it was sound.

But guess what?

You can only, you're like the coach.

I can make the game plan, but if the players

are not executing the game plan, whose fault is that?

Is it the coach or the player?

Question, and exactly, and that's what we're doing here.

We're a Monday morning quarterbacking.

We're just saying like, all right, this is,

and that's why we're going back through it.

So the warden directed redacted on multiple occasions

at Epstein needed a cellmate at all times,

and redacted informed his lieutenants the same.

Redacted repeatedly directed his shoe lieutenant,

redacted that Epstein needed a cellmate at all times,

additionally redacted, visited the shoe on multiple occasions,

and directed staff to be very alert,

and attentive about Epstein's special accommodations.

So when you say that about the shoe staff,

did you also inform the shoe staff

that Epstein needed to have a cellmate?

Answer yes, question, oh, so they were all aware?

Answer yes, question, can you look at the shoe staff

for both of August 9th and the very early morning hours

of August 10th?

Can you just list the people and let me know

if you inform those people?

Answer, so basically my hours of work

were normally, let's just say 7.30 to 4.

So I insured that it wasn't within one week,

but it was a process of doing rounds.

So I try to hit every shift.

So I hit the day watch because that's the one I work,

evening watch, I stay over late, I walk up there,

hey guys, this is the situation,

let's make sure that, you know, we're paying attention,

and then morning watch, of course.

So beginning at 8 a.m., then on August 9th,

can you just look at, this is a question now,

can you look to who and name the people,

can you just name who was in the shoe?

And if you ever had any conversation with them,

if they were aware, answer, okay, let me see here.

Well, we had redacted, I talked to redacted and redacted,

he was in there, redacted, redacted was one of the guys,

that was up there as a rec officer.

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Answer so all gets cut off him picks back up

with the question, all of those people were,

you had conversations specifically with them

and they know answer, I've talked with these guys.

Question, absolutely.

Can you just name the other people for the shifts after them?

I think they just gets cut off by the captain.

You got now, M Thomas, M Thomas,

what you need to understand is that he would have been

because you know, like I said, over time, non-custody.

He's non-custody staff.

I don't have conversations with him.

Question, okay, so Michael Thomas may not have known,

answer right because realistically,

the morning watch and evening watch shift,

people don't like to come to work.

So if you sign up for over time,

you say, oh, shoe, two is open.

Okay, I'll take it, but you're non-custody.

So that means anybody can work it,

a teacher, a food service foreman.

Answer is the shoe easier to work than the other units.

Answer, I wouldn't say it's easier,

but it's less labor intensive.

Question, okay, answer because in my opinion,

from when I work special housing,

special housing was always hard work

because I'm going to tell you why you have to be vigilant.

And when I mean vigilant, you have to understand

when you're working that unit, anything can happen.

It could be quiet, but guess what?

If you're not walking, looking in those cells,

testing the security protocols,

meaning making sure the flaps are closed,

making sure that the doors are locked,

you want to know that in shoe,

sometimes doors was unlocked.

Or flaps opened to chase doors, those food services,

the service flap, you know, making rounds,

making sure that the inmates are not,

have coverings up, when you open up, what do you call it?

Question the window, answer the window,

or putting a towel over the bed and blocking the light

from you being able to observe them.

Question, but then how gets cut off

and what I said about, but I want to get back to

because I know about the statement

about the doors being left open.

I'm talking about more in general population

as far as when you're making rounds,

those types of things you test,

making sure the door is secure,

making sure the foods lots are secure.

Question, uh-huh, answer by the captain,

as an officer coming up, even as a lieutenant,

do you know that I've actually walked into a unit

and pulled on the door that's supposed to be secure

and the inmate is wide open?

Question, wow, ever at MCC, answer no

because that wasn't my capacity.

That wasn't my job, but as a line officer,

so boarded it and also when I was a lieutenant

making rounds, that's what I would do.

When I hit a unit, it wasn't just to talk to staff.

I would walk in and look at the security protocols

in the unit.

Is there a fire extinguisher there?

Good, your phone work, computer's work,

hey, let's walk the block, pulling on doors,

pulling on foods lots, showing, trying to train officers.

That's what I used to do.

Question lead by example, answer and guess what happens?

You would find stuff because people in a hurry

enough to go home on that evening watch

them inmates know their doors are locked,

but they know they're going to come out

because if they come out, there's a situation,

but they'll sit up there and leave it open.

All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here

and in the next episode dealing with the topic,

we're gonna pick up where we left off.

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